Climate bill DOA for this session, focus now on oil spill

News sources are important. Politico is part of the Jurnolist conspiracy, that is extremely biased left-wing publication. Don’t trust them because they spin and even make up news.

Mac the Knife says:
July 22, 2010 at 12:41 pm
Do NOT be gulled into thinking this is final victory or that they are giving up. It will morph into EPA regulations that cannot be altered or some similar subterfuge, until a new administration can clean the EPA house .
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REPLY: Right you are, MTK! EPA will set carbon dioxide limits and force them on industry. They will be incorporated into the Clean Air Act, and there will be nothing that a new administration will be able to do to reverse it, because it will be entrenched law of the land.
Also, CO2 regulations will create a new industry for carbon-control that will lobby for more regulations. This happened with CERCLA (Superfund Act), Homeland Security etc. Lots & lots of robber-barons like GE, Siemens and their ilk cannot wait for a ready-made market of utilities and manufacturers who will have to mitigate their carbon dioxide emissions.
Cap & trade was simply a mechanism to provide a bit of market spin to the process (and help out other robber-barons on Wall Street), but C&T was always optional, and never really palatable to the far left anyway. Watch for this.

I guess the real question regarding legislation in response to the Gulf oil spill is whether or not the government needs any new laws to cover this type of problem or if the existing legal framework is sufficient, or should have been sufficient, to handle the problem. If this new legislation is not needed, then all we have is a decorative and potentially subversive act of law to give the appearance of action.
I think Congress should, at the very least, conduct a full set of open public hearings to determine if there is any real demonstrable requirement for new legislation in this field.

Gail Combs says:
July 22, 2010 at 2:06 pm
It is not the cunning it is the cunning, dishonest, deceitful and most important money hungry…. oh sorry that describes the entire US Congress.
This is a great essay:
The 545 People Responsible For All of America’s Woes
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435 Representatives + 100 Senators = 535
Who are the other 10?

D says:
July 22, 2010 at 4:10 pm
“435 Representatives + 100 Senators = 535
Who are the other 10?”
1 president and 9 supreme court justices.

Gail, you are welcome and I hope it comes in handy.

Don’t bother with cap & trade, the Left never believed in it anyway. They will be more than happy to have the EPA put the boot in via regulation:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6595NO20100610
“Obama has always said he prefers that Congress deals with climate, but that the EPA would act if a bill failed. In fact, the EPA last month finalized rules that would require large power utilities, manufacturers and oil refineries to get permits to emit greenhouse gases starting next year. In addition, it has issued rules on requiring autos to use less gasoline and diesel fuel and reduce carbon dioxide emissions.”

Chris R. says:
July 22, 2010 at 7:54 pm
They will also have EVERY incentive the current administration, and the Democrat party, can think of to vote FOR it….
And then President Obama will use his veto pen to play defense for 2 years. And then, the sharp boys will have figured out how to make money off all the new regulations, and will have gotten their money down. And after that happens, there will not be “the chance of a frog at a snake symposium” of ever getting the measure(s) repealed.
Welcome to permanent third world status for the United States of America.
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You are correct. Permanent third world status is exactly what has been planned for the USA. BOTH political parties have been working towards that goal for forty or more years.
What has been planned was stated very clearly in 1973 by John Holdren, Obama’s “Science Czar”, when he advocated De-Developing the US.
“In their 1973 book “Human Ecology: Problems and Solutions,” Holdren and co-authors Paul and Anne Ehrlich wrote:
“A massive campaign [the Environmental/ Global Warming Movement] must be launched to restore a high-quality environment in North America and to de-develop the United States. De-devolopment means bringing our economic system (especially patterns of consumption) into line with the realities of ecology and the global resource situation. Resources and energy must be diverted from frivolous and wasteful uses in overdeveloped countries to filling the genuine needs of underdeveloped countries.”
“The need for de-development presents our economists with a major challenge,” they wrote. “They must design a stable, low-consumption economy [Agenda 21] in which there is a much more equitable distribution of wealth than the present one. Redistribution of wealth both within and among nations is absolutely essential, if a decent life is to be provided for every human being.” http://grendelreport.posterous.com/obamas-science-czar-advocates-de-developing-t
And if that is not enough to convince you, it was restated by the Club of Rome:
“In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill … All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy, then, is humanity itself.”
— in The First Global Revolution, pp.104-105 by Alexander King, founder of the Club of Rome and Bertrand Schneider, secretary of the Club of Rome
Here are the cold hard facts that show John Holdren’s plans to De-develop the USA were implemented.
In 1970 – 24.0% of the labor force was engaged in manufacturing, but twenty five years later only 10.2% was. This shows how successful the plan to de-develop the USA was. What is even more horrifying is the fact the World Trade Organization was ratified in 1995. Since then the USA has lost an additional 1,962,000 manufacturing jobs bring us down to only 7.6% of the labor force actually engaged in creating real wealth. The rest are sales clerks, bureaucrats, and bean counters.
Here is links to the more recent stats
Employment and wages of the largest occupations, May 2009 (sales clerk is now the largest occupation, shudder)
Remember many of those in Congress – The so called “senior congressman” who are the real power in the USA, have been in office for up to fifty years. They were in office thirty five years ago when Holdren’s book “Human Ecology: Problems and Solutions” was released and they and they alone are responsible for putting his plan into practice.
OSHA went into effect in the mid-seventies was it the first part of the plan? Then came EPA and affirmative action and all the rest of the laws that has crippled US industry.
Isn’t it nice to know we have had a bunch of crackpots running the world and now they want to set up a totalitarian world government? No wonder the world economy is such a mess.

What , exactly , are “more popular energy items” ?
Those would be cap and trade to Reid and the Democrats.

@ur momisugly Gail Combs says:
July 22, 2010 at 9:48 pm
Remember many of those in Congress – The so called “senior congressman” who are the real power in the USA, have been in office for up to fifty years. They were in office thirty five years ago when Holdren’s book “Human Ecology: Problems and Solutions” was released and they and they alone are responsible for putting his plan into practice.
And here’s the latest proposed infringement on your liberty: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/69746
” The Obama administration is backing legislation that includes regulations requiring U.S. businesses to provide to the government data about employee pay as it relates to the sex, race and national origin of employees.
In an orchestrated effort that included a statement by President Barack Obama and an event at the White House featuring Vice President Joe Biden, Attorney General Eric Holder and Labor Secretary Hilda Solis, the president and his cabinet endorsed the Paycheck Fairness Act. “

As an admirer of the American political model in broad terms and a keen observer from afar of the American political scene, I am frequently bemused and dismayed by the noisy arrogance of senators who currently appear to see themselves as having world-ranging powers which confer upon them the right to harangue and lecture politicians from other administrations while avoiding answering the very important questions their constituents ask of them or stating their own understandings (or lack of same) of whichever cause celebre they pursue at any given time. Most politicians have a remarkable capacity for unwarranted self-regard, but I find the current crop of tub-thumpers in the US Senate to be spectacularly ill-mannered and ignorant of their real status in the world and of the matters on which they pronounce and fulminate.
Or have I got it wrong?

Alexander K – you’ve got it right. They disgust us as well.