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Reid set to put off climate bill
By: Darren Samuelsohn and Coral Davenport
July 22, 2010 01:01 PM EDT
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid appears set to punt on a controversial climate proposal while moving to the floor next week with a more limited bipartisan bill that responds to the Gulf of Mexico oil spill and contains other more popular energy items, according to aides and senators.
The Nevada Democrat’s decision, expected to be made public Thursday after an afternoon luncheon with the entire 59-member Democratic caucus, comes in the face of a dwindling calendar ahead of the August recess and the recognition that he is not close to the 60 votes needed on any bill that caps greenhouse gas emissions.
“We don’t have the 60 votes,” said Environment and Public Works Committee Chairwoman Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.). “So Sen. Reid’s a pragmatist”.
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“So Sen. Reid’s a pragmatist”. As is Nancy Pelosi, Barackwards Obama, Rham-It-Through Emanuel, and the rest of their pack. They will not give up. They only change tactics.
Do NOT be gulled into thinking this is final victory or that they are giving up. It will morph into EPA regulations that cannot be altered or some similar subterfuge, until a new administration can clean the EPA house .
We must keep increasing the pressure and distribution of facts that refute man made global warming and so thoroughly educate the younger generations of this that they are inoculated from any recurrence of this particular disease. Like deploying the Jonas Salk vaccine, the disease cannot be eradicated until all of the younger generations have been successfully treated.
Simultaneously, we must continue building the political pressure on their political supporters, at all government levels: local, state, and federal. They can be given no respite and no mercy, until each head of the AGW hydra has been successfully nullified.
Gail Combs says:
July 22, 2010 at 12:06 pm:
“THAT is the type of strategy we as voters must be aware of. Never let them get a foot in the door or you are lost.”
…I agree totally, I think the worm has turned.
Gail Combs said: “create money out of nothing…. the public didn’t stand a chance.”
Monetizing the air aka “cap and trade” is a prima facie example of “creating money out of nothing.”
And there’s a lot of air – sorry, “carbon” – to be bought and sold.
New Pew Center report regarding GHG legislation impact on agriculture. This is very disturbing and may be one reason why Reid and company has backed off. Apparently they have major buyers of products (Walmart, etc. ) in the bag, as well as EPA, etc. and those buyers are doing the same thing legislation would do, except they are doing it by contract and competitive pressure.
http://www.pewclimate.org/docUploads/us-agriculture-climate-change-legislation-markets-myths-opportunities.pdf
U.S. Agriculture & Climate Change Legislation:
Markets, Myths & Opportunities
By
Jessica Shipley, Sara Hessenflow-Harper, and Laura Sands
July 20, 2010
Quote:
Farmers and ranchers will
need to assess, measure,
report and likely reduce
GHG emissions in order to
compete in an already
competitive market
regardless of whether or
when a climate and energy
bill passes.
Ed Murphy says:
July 22, 2010 at 12:17 pm
How about making these popular energy items?
http://www.idlefreesystems.com/
Please, how about insulating the roof, walls and floor of the vehicles. They insulate the food to keep it fresh when its brought to ya. The hell with the poor slave that brought it to you, let ‘em roast and freeze.? But by God lock ‘em up if they idle, and we better not see no damn smoke! Even if it bankrupts everybody…
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Never mind trying to start a COLD Engine after the required 8 hours at -35F. By the way they now want to apply the DOT standards to farm tractors!!!!!!
How about making vehicles to last if you want to “go green” Paint the blasted things with decent paint so they do not rust out. It can be done for very little extra cost. I have had my diesel Pkup for 18 years and my livestock trailer is close to 25 years old and I have no intention of getting rid of either. Fighting rust is my biggest problem.
James Sexton – Thanks , but it was mostly a rhetorical question . I have been watching this travesty unfold far too long to harbor any doubts about the intent of our current congress – perhaps I should have said hopes . Trojan Horse , foot in the door , whatever , this bill needs killing .
Hallelujah. After the November elections they won’t have as much chance as a frog at a snake symposium of passing it either.
Lies and more lies
I can’t see the bill. Why is Reid not honest enough to be quite and not say a thing before there is a real bill to read?
When I see the bill, who can tell me specifically how the climate will change and how much. The only thing i suspect will become clear is how much it will cost me.
Reconciliation will not be available to the lame-duck session, because they didn’t pass a budget for FY 2011, FY 2010 ends in October, and the rules for reconciliation are set forth in the budget.
“Senate democrats drop carbon caps from energy bill, Reid says”:
http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a7X8fbyUDsQg&pos=9
Mac the Knife says:
July 22, 2010 at 12:41 pm
….Do NOT be gulled into thinking this is final victory or that they are giving up. It will morph into EPA regulations that cannot be altered or some similar subterfuge, until a new administration can clean the EPA house….
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I NEVER will believe it is dead. Here is what is happening now to another “dead political idea”
The transnational agriculture companies came up with the Agreement on Ag (World Trade Organization) in 1995. Farmers have been fighting that agreement and its Livestock traceability (NAIS) provision world wide. Most countries have complied except the USA. Farmers in the USA have been fighting it tooth and nail ever since.
Because of the wholesale rejection of the idea by farmers, earlier this year,it was announced that NAIS was dead and then just recently it was announced it was defunded.
Then we get THIS:
” Secretary Vilsack’s new framework for animal disease traceability. Under the new framework, States and Tribes will be responsible for developing animal disease traceability systems that adhere to performance standards set by USDA.” http://nonais.org/2010/04/01/nais-is-back/
AND now it has popped back up in MARKEY’s Food Safety bill (but it includes veggies and fruit as well as livestock!!!
The blasted thing just will not stay dead!
We’ll see. I don’t know how many times the health care monstrosity was declared DOA before it was resurrected and passed. Not until next year, when this destructive parliament of whores has been dragged out of the Capitol Building–fingernails screeching on its hallowed floors amid great kicking, screaming and litigating–will I relax somewhat.
Don’t trust the imbeciles in the senate, in particular.
What Harry Reid says and what he does are not always the same.
Oh and further he seems to think that Ford was saved by the auto bailout.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/07/21/harry_reid_auto_bailout_probably_saved_ford.html
Ford didn’t take any of the funds.
“a woman’s reproductive rights”
[snip – we don’t want to turn this forum into an issue about this, sorry. No further discussion on this issue please. Sorry, nothing personal, we have to draw the line somewhere ~mod]
PS: “Senator Joseph Lieberman, a Connecticut independent and a co-author of the plan to cut carbon dioxide from power plants, said a “broader energy bill” could still be brought up for debate when lawmakers return to Washington in September.”
hedrat,
I think there may be 535 lame ducks in Congress house if what the Gallop poll is indicating is even close to correct. Pretty soon the approval rating of Congress will be negative.
This is good news, though I say it with caution. Here in Britain, where we already have a CO2 cult that’s inordinately politically powerful, there was a tiny glimmer of hope today, with the decision to cut the Sustainable Development Commission, causing much gnashing of teeth by the cultists, our sole Green MP in particular:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100048217/government-decides-sustainable-development-commission-is-unsustainable-tee-hee/
“Caroline Lucas MP has called the move an “absolute disaster” which, almost by definition, must make it the most brilliant and beneficial policy decision in parliamentary history.”
I don’t trust Reid and am going to update my list just to be safe,
750 Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skepticism of “Man-Made” Global Warming (AGW) Alarm
P Walker says:
July 22, 2010 at 11:31 am
> What , exactly , are “more popular energy items” ? This sounds rather vague which , of course , is to be expected from the crowd in DC .
Everything that was in the old bill, I would assume.
What are the odds the Dems will try again during the lame duck session? Any one know? If the Dems lose the Senate they might just manage to change the minds of the few Democrat senators who lost in November.
Nothing does more hurt in a state than when
cunning men pass for wise (Francis Bacon)
Nice, eh?
Poptech says:
July 22, 2010 at 1:31 pm
I don’t trust Reid and am going to update my list just to be safe,
750 Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skepticism of “Man-Made” Global Warming (AGW) Alarm
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By the by thank you very much for the list and for up dating it. I keep it book marked.
cotwome says:
July 22, 2010 at 12:43 pm
I think the worm has turned.
I think the Warm has turned as well.
“Climate bill DOA for this session, focus now on oil spill”
Never let a good crisis go to waste.
DirkH says:
July 22, 2010 at 1:49 pm
Nothing does more hurt in a state than when
cunning men pass for wise (Francis Bacon)
Nice, eh?
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It is not the cunning it is the cunning, dishonest, deceitful and most important money hungry…. oh sorry that describes the entire US Congress.
This is a great essay:
The 545 People Responsible For All of America’s Woes
“….Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like ‘the economy,’ ‘inflation,’ or ‘politics’ that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.
Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.
They, and they alone, have the power.
They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses… http://www.apfn.org/apfn/woes.htm
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