Democratic Senators John Kerry and Joe Lieberman declared yesterday that a new EPA study shows their new global warming
legislation won’t cost Americans much after all. But so far most Americans don’t show an inclination to pay anything for such legislation.
“There’ll be some people who will want to demagogue that politically, but that’s less than $1 a day,” The Politico quoted Lieberman saying at a press conference yesterday. “Is the American household willing to pay less than $1 so we don’t have to buy oil from foreign countries, so we can create millions of new jobs, so we can clean up our environment? I think the answer is going to be yes.”
Our surveying suggests…
however, that the answer is no. Democratic Senators John Kerry and Joe Lieberman declared yesterday that a new EPA study shows their new global warming legislation won’t cost Americans much after all. But so far most Americans don’t show an inclination to pay anything for such legislation.
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You want to check the fine print carefully. The ‘dollar a day’ maybe what they have in mind for taxes.
What about your energy bills?
Here in the UK, energy costs have (at least) doubled (from a high start level) in the last five years. Even the Government regulator has admitted that by 2020 the average domestic electricity (never mind gas, oil etc.) bill will be running at £5,000 per year. That’s somewhere around 100% of the old age pension people pay for throughout their working lives. But that’s not a TAX hike. No, no, no!
The CBO is the one that does the price fixing, uh, cost assessment of proposed Congressional laws. Those are the ones well know for wildly inaccurate, umm, good guesses on the economic impacts of Congressional tinkering.
The EPA “study” is based on manipulating one or more of their software models. These are likely written by Michael Mann or, possibly, John Kerry while on break at one of his mansions. They certainly exclude most of reality but use finance sounding terms like “energy”. But of course they have releases ALL their software code, their inputs and their assumptions – or at least it’s somewhere in the mail.
These are the “settled” science that actively suppresses even internal dissent. My favorite quote from them is:
“EPA finds that there is a 99% probability that global warming will exceed 2 degrees Celsius a threshold above which scientists project that the risk of catastrophe increases rapidly.”
I think I’ll drop a line to them and ask if they have a Lotto model prediction program. And, of course, it will be 99% certain of generating a winner. Most of government climate models are at least 99% aren’t they?
A clue to Liebermann’s veracity lies in his wierd use of English – when did ‘demagogue’ get to be a verb? The word is a noun and describes ‘one who uses myth and untruths to lead or influence (people). Perhaps his unusual use of the word was a Freudian slip!
Take a look at the EPA report- especially page 34. The “plan” to reduce carbon emissions relies on four major actions prompted be the bill (wind and solar do little under the EPA’s analysis):
1. Reductions in energy use forced by “increases in energy prices.” So they’re arguing that they’ll cut CO2 cheaply by making us pay more, which is more than a bit contradictory. Yes, trolls, they say they’ll hand back the money making it “almost neutral.” But if they hand back the money, what’s the incentive to use less energy? Either this will not cut energy use or you will not get a refund of the money- take your pick.
2. Massive increase in the use of bio-fuels. Environmentally and economically disastrous, so we double down and rate it as cheap and successful.
3. Substantial use of carbon capture at coal plants-non-existent, but let’s assume it exists and pretend it’s “cheap” for the purposes of policy analysis ’cause we’re all non-partisan and all that.
4. Massive nuclear power build out. Ya know, the stuff we could have been doing since the 1970s if the greens hadn’t stopped it, but what the heck- let’s blame that on the Republicans and call it cheap as well- a two-fer of dishonesty!
ugh
American Thinker deconstructs James Hansen.
YOU AMERICANS SHOULD TELL YOUR POLITICIANS TO READ WUWT TO BE PROPERLY INFORMED.
If only we could create a substitute for oil through legislative fiat. Next week, the Senate takes up a resolution to make 2 + 2 =5.
Anybody here with a car that runs on wind or solar, please raise your hand now. Anybody? Anybody? Bueller? Ferris Bueller?
We have two primary uses for oil: Transportation and as raw materials for manufacturing. We have nothing available on the horizon that will make adequate substitutes for oil in either of those instance. Electric cars just aren’t going to cut it, unless we are all going to make drastic changes in our lifestyles.
And all this talk of ending our dependence upon foreign oil is just disingenuous. These same people won’t let us use our own oil reserves. There is plenty of oil available, but we can’t harvest it. BP was drilling a mile below the Gulf surface because people like Lieberman and Kerry won’t let them drill elsewhere.
The USA has oil and natural gas. We also have oil shale and coal. Boy, do we have coal. How about more coal-to-gas research? Again, electricity is just no substitute for oil.
But the majority of scientists think the planet is warming…
If you want to talk about green economy, why don’t you bring the majority of economists?
Enneagram says: June 18, 2010 at 5:41 am
YOU AMERICANS SHOULD TELL YOUR POLITICIANS TO READ WUWT TO BE PROPERLY INFORMED.
The above model that you have purportedly developed to eliminate wasteful government programs has a seriously flawed assumption:
THEY CAN’T COMPREHEND ANYTHING THEY READ!
Democratic Senators John Kerry and Joe Lieberman declared yesterday that a new EPA study shows their new global warming legislation won’t cost Americans much after all.
Right. The same EPA that declares carbon dioxide is a toxic industrial pollutant.
Kerry’s a proven prevaricator and Lieberman’s a malleable naif.
“Democratic Senators John Kerry and Joe Lieberman declared yesterday that a new EPA study shows their new global warming legislation won’t cost Americans much after all. ….”
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This coming from two men who probably never had to balance a checkbook.
Americans aren’t inclined to getting mugged on a city street, either.
Livin’ in Liberal’retardian Paradise
We got a snoot full of carbon nonsense
And crude all over the bay
Smacked birds drop out of the sky
I see it every day
My airknaditioner won’t ‘nition
I can’t afford to pay
Even if I could, they shut down our bank today
Livin’ in Liber’retardian Paradise
Its Déjà vu Jimmy Carter
Busted’ pipes and frozen water
By now you’d think we’d be smarter
Got very few jobs to earn a dollar
Not even stock’n shelves at Wally~Mart’r
To afford energy, I’ll have to barter
Livin’ in Liber’retardian Paradise
Don’t slide off the road on loose cinders
Been a tough couple of winters
CAGW frosted over mah’ winders’
Narrowly dodged the fender benders
The pollution control EGR valve stuck
Had to call the wrecker to tow mah’ truck
The expenses just keep adding up
Mah’ poor ol’ cousin the firewood splitter,
an Afghan blew him up!
Livin’ Liber’retardian Paradise
Scary Kerry, Obama and Lieber’tardian Paradise!
Anybody got any connections with a good musical band?
I’m willing to pay $1 to boot out all the damn crooks from Washington DC and bring this country back to a Constitutional Republic as it was on July 4, 1776.
Edit:
“To afford energy, I’ll have to barter”…
For God’s sake don’t step on that frozen snail darter!
This comment from Lieberman just shows how a once honorable senator is turned into a total liar by getting involved in the global warming issue. It seems as though this sickness touches anyone who becomes a global warming advocate.
Lots of good points made by others. I want to add one more. In my State they imposed a 1% sales tax just for education, it is now 7% and we also added significant income tax along the way, just for education. In the meantime the quality of education has declined rather than improved and we are approching bankruptcy. It was just a mechanism to transfer wealth from hard working suburban folks to the politicians in the inner cities.
This bill is the first foot in the door and will provide a structure for a continuum of later tax increases.
The dollar a day won’t even cover the administration costs/profits for the Chigago Climate Exchange, the regulators, and th0se traders who will profit mightily. Look how the speculators have pushed the price of oil several years ago without a good reason. The carbon controls will provide the same opportunity for the traders of energy with potential manipulation by Soros.
Finally it is utter nonsense and a total lie to claim that this will play any role in getting us off foreign oil. How many times have the progressives told this lie with noone from the MSM challenging the claim.
America is broke. The average person has more debt than they can ever repay and the national debt is a Bundle per head. There is just no way folks can ever pay enough taxes to cover it. Add to that the fact that industry is headed to China at a dizzy clip and the simple fact is this:
Americans can not pay ANY more for ANYTHING.
At best, they can try to put in on the maxed out credit card, but even that is not going to cut it as the bill is already hitting the fan.
The Loony Left is about to learn that they have run out of other peoples money to spend and the Radical Right is about to learn that folks don’t give a darn about energy independence, they care about $3 gas being too high to get to work and $4 gas for more than a month after a hurricane will get you un-elected “right quick”.
So study and propagandize all you want. There just aren’t any bucks to be had to fund your pet projects. Get over it.
Hawaii has a beautiful ceremony to placate the gods. I’d be very happy to offer up every sitting member of Congress in human sacrifice to the gods of Hawaii in an effort to put an end to the nightmare of Anthroprogenic Global Warming. Though to be fair, the leadership and members and staff of the IPCC should go first; followed by the European Offering, and then the US Offering, and the Aussie Offering, and the Kiwi Offering, and the Japanese Offering,… you get the idea, I just know it will work. I have a good feeling it really will solve all our climate problems and greatly lower future CO2 releases too.