You just have to laugh when you see articles like this.
Excerpts from an article by Mike Sandler:
Humans have put too many heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere, and now the Earth is running a fever. But there’s also an increasingly toxic atmosphere in the blogosphere, where climate deniers strategically confuse the issue, delay meaningful government action, and harass scientists and authors.
For decades, the media presented the climate “debate” as two sides that were evenly or closely matched. Then a few years ago, around the time Hurricane Katrina struck and Al Gore’s Inconvenient Truth won an Oscar and he and the IPCC were awarded a Nobel Prize, the media began to realize that climate science is real and has consequences, and the “other side” is almost all empty rhetoric.
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More sophisticated denier methods often appeal to:
- Free speech (as if achieving consensus on climate science somehow takes away their Constitutional rights) or
- The nature of scientific inquiry means always questioning your assumptions (ironically, the people who question the science of climate change, are likely those who question all science).
Gosh, excercising free speech and questioning assumptions, why, why, they’re TERRIBLE!
You can read the whole thing here. but I wouldn’t count on being able to leave comments:
Climate Deniers are Polluting the Blogosphere
Of course the thought hasn’t occurred to Mr. Sandler that the bulk of opinion has shifted.
Gail Combs says:
April 27, 2010 at 10:58 am
sorry forgot the sarcasm off markings.
Eh, sarcasm on or off, still reads good either way.
But I certainly agree with you. The originators of spermicidal corn and terminator genes for plants are the ones who should be up for criminal charges as Crimes against humanity not “climate deniers” As an American, I am ashamed to admit that the USDA is implicated in both.
“Crimes against humanity” would be reserved for actual death and damages, but really, that comes too close for comfort. Like building an actual Doomsday weapon that really would destroy all life on Earth, then claiming innocence since you never intended to use it, then also saying there shouldn’t be any punishment since it was never used thus it’s not verified it really would have done that. Morons.
I was aware that GMO genes can “transfer” thanks to this article: http://www.i-sis.org.uk/horizontalGeneTransfer.php
Interesting read, thanks. I noticed GMO-related gene transfer in the news a while ago. But come one, gene transfer is a natural process. Viruses have been doing it for ages, acquiring genes from hosts. The flu bug has been jumping between species because of it. Whatever made them so sure they would stay only in their crops to begin with? “Theory vs Reality. Theory loses.”
Tom in Florida (6:04 am) wrote: “Wikipedia… Huffington Post has over 3,000 bloggers—from politicians and celebrities to academics and policy experts—who contribute in real-time on a wide-range of topics.”
What, no real scientists? Who would have guessed.”
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They do let James Hansen rant occasionally, or at least they used to. I think he had some actual science training and used to be a real scientist.
P.S. Anthony – Like the new format. Easy reading. Too bad its all clogged up with “deniers.” 😉
RockyRoad says:
April 27, 2010 at 11:27 am
“I believe Martin Luther King had the correct approach to conflict—his approach was peaceful and polite, but not silent.”
I agree. However, over at Mike Sandler that doesnt work.
mikael pihlström says:
April 27, 2010 at 9:47 am
“That Michin guy Smokey likes so much, sure is anti AGW, but
he also says: To Save Russia, Conquer Georgia! Good company.”
Aha. Attack the messenger again for something totally different.
So the messenger didnt smoke this time? Didnt believe in God? Not
working for Big Oil? He is a nationalist? Terrible!
It might be difficult to predict wheather, but its not difficult to predict your tactics.
RockyRoad: However are any other suggestions allowed? as : Why not identifying the few, hidden behind the scene, (perhaps less than ten people), and make them effectively reconsider their ideas?. For example, to mock at them is a powerful way, as their ways are really ridicule and silly (like preaching “global warming due to CO2”), exposing them to light is a valid procedure, they shun before light as Al Baby before science. Light acts as a powerful catalyzer. Of course, there will be always some of a most stubborn nature…to them I would condemn them to watch, at least a thousand times, Al’s oscar winner movie “An inconvenient truth”. (If they vomit their guts out it will mean they are converted).
“Excerpts from an article by Mike Sandler”
Exactly, Mike! And, furthermore, surely if Climate Deniers really cared about anything at all, they would have developed and provided to Climate Believers a version of an infant’s pacifier suitable for full-grown people, too, instead of only making them cry! QED
@ur momisugly RockyRoad, April 27, 2010 at 11:27 am:
Just remember, nonviolence works against foes with a conscience. MLK Jr faced off against a majority who didn’t want a fight and wanted to do what was right. Gandhi went against the British Empire, not the then-current German regime. And I hope I’m not the only one who, every now and then, will pick up a “Made in China” product and remember Tiananmen Square.
Nonviolence is for going against a moral opponent who needs convincing that your cause is a moral one. If that is your only approach to any conflict, well, good luck with that.
Just make them WORK!, they do not.
Post normal science is their ultimate WMD against infidels.
“Dave Stephens says:
April 27, 2010 at 9:07 am……………..[your poem]”
That, IMHO, is the best poem yet.
Congrats. Terrific
Aye, and there’s the rub….
The entire AGW fiasco could be summarised as an act of economic warfare, dressed up in a psyops livery, promoted as Edutainment, but intended as a crushing moral and morale blow.
The kid with the magnifying glass, is giggling malevolently, as the ants scurry about trying to work out what the hell is going on.
At WUWT we’re wearing ten thousand plus sun block, welding goggles and hand held mirrors.
If anything erks those who would be emperors, its the decentralised, non local, pan-cultural counter to their machinations. The organic nature of the web has created an awareness, within humanity, quite unique in our history.
We now see each other, more and more clearly, the means of subtefuge by the criminal political class, is failing rapidly.
Where do we go from here? In the spirit of MLK, one and all?
“there’s also an increasingly toxic atmosphere in the blogosphere”, all stemming, of course from the disinformation, pseudoscience, and outright lies of climate bedwetters such as Mike. But, they really can’t help it. In this great Climate War, the facts, science, and indeed the truth are all against them. I can almost feel sorry for them. Almost.
So they’ll tax blogging too?
mikael pihlström says:
April 27, 2010 at 9:47 am
“That Michin guy Smokey likes so much, sure is anti AGW, but
he also says: To Save Russia, Conquer Georgia! Good company.”
A “Poisoning the Well” fallacy, but if you are going to use that sort of argument then I feel I can use Robert Mugabe and Hugo Chavez right back at you.
Obviously, MLK also encountered those that one probably wouldn’t consider “moral” adversaries. Indeed, he lost his life to one such person. However, it isn’t necessarily our stanchest foes that we need to ply with a peaceful, thoughtful, yet courageous and vocal approach–it is the general public. People like Mann, Hansen, and even this Mike Sandler and his cronies will likely never come to a reasonable understanding of either the science (I firmly believe it is beyond Sandler’s mental grasp) or the methods of civilized behavior. But that doesn’t force us down to the same level–such behavior doesn’t work against their opponents and neither would it work against our opponents. Uncivilized behavior merely puts us at the same level as the uncivilized and they use that to our disadvantage.
So what to do? Be civil, get up to speed on the science, and voice your concerns, both here and on other forums (one of my favorites recently is the Washington Post, where climate realist comments now far outnumber those of the warmers), and in letters to your elected officials. Talk to your neighbors, relatives, friends, and by all means, vote! Our target is the uninformed and from the frothy response from some of the warmers recently, we’re making a significant impact.
kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:
April 27, 2010 at 12:07 pm
@ur momisugly RockyRoad, April 27, 2010 at 11:27 am:
Rocky,
I like your comments and I disagree with Kadaka (except when I am really irritated).
Nonviolence works with the immoral opponent as well – if for no other reason they simply do not know how to handle it. Immoral opponents can only use immoral means to an end. In the end it becomes apparent that they are immoral.
WUWT proves this point. With consistent, clear and honest reporting, WUWT is probably one of – if not the most feared – of all blogs on the Internet by the AGW people.
Thanks Anthony for this blog!
Helen Hawkins;
Nonviolence works with the immoral opponent as well – if for no other reason they simply do not know how to handle it>>
Huh? Yeah, that non-violence thing worked real good on Hitler, stopped him in his tracks, didn’t know what to do, just kept herding people into gas chambers while he thought it through. Genghis Khan really bowed to non violence, as did Attila the Hun. Pol Pot was really afraid of non violence. Osama bin Laden, now there’s a guy who has been terrified into hiding in a cave somewhere quivering in fear that someone will be non violent to him. When Argentina grabbed the Falklands, it was good old non violence (plus some aircraft carriers, harrier jets, submarines) that got them back for Britain. There were some non violent protests communism that so terrified Stalin that he killed 20 million people to stop them. Sorry, I love this blog, and it is absolutely the right way to respond to the warmists, but don’t forget that people without morals will take what ever actions they think they can get away with. Don’t forget that sometimes they kill to get what they want. Sometimes they leave no other choice but to respond in kind, which we must never forget. Which is why at the bottom of war memorials are most often inscribed the words:
“lest we forget”
That may be true, but it still has something to do with Maslow. His hierarchy of needs contended that once material needs were satisfied spiritual hungers and hungers for meaning began to take their place, and that environmentalism taps into this need. Hence what I commented on Stefan’s piece:
It’s Maslow’s hierarchy of needs in operation.
Er, HufPo just may have redeemed themselves about .00001 percentage points on the laugh-o-meter scale posting this –
“…Acting on a tip received after passage of Arizona’s tough new immigration law, police have arrested Meteor Crater.
In a daring predawn raid, Sheriff Joe Arpaio and a team of officers swept into Northern Arizona and surrounded the landmark, which made no attempt to resist…”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/roy-rivenburg/arizona-arrests-meteor-cr_b_551990.html
Just one question off the top – will I be taxed for exhaling excess carbon dioxide whilst laughing?
There is some irony in there somewhere
David,
You are right on many accounts but we need to be very careful that in our effort to destroy what is evil we do not become evil ourselves.
I am concerned about the way in which we use our words and our intellect on these boards. Nasty name calling and ever so clever tit for tat conversations do nothing positive in dealing with the AGW people.
Anthony’s approach with facts and civil behavior is the best and most effective way in dealing with ignorance – whether that ignorance is deliberate or not. This approach should be followed on all boards, gaining the respect of those people who still have an open mind about it.
I would like to add just for the record. My husband, my two sons, my brother, and my father-in-law have served in the military. We are a military family. I do not discount disciplined legal use of force when all else fails.
Moderator – I would not be offended if this off-topic is snipped. I realize this is not the direction this thread should be going.
REPLY:Helen, please thank them for their service on behalf of WUWT, and thank you for your courage during deployment. – Anthony
Is it just me that thinks if Mike Sandler shaved his head he’d be Mike Mann’s twin brother?
Ha! Ha!…. funny! That Adam Sandler cracks me up!.. or is it Larry Sanders? I dunno they’re all fuuny!
well, Andrew Weaver claims the National Post newspaper poisoned the Internet about him, because its critical articles were linked/repeated by many.
Alarmists like catchy words and use them like sheep.