You just have to laugh when you see articles like this.
Excerpts from an article by Mike Sandler:
Humans have put too many heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere, and now the Earth is running a fever. But there’s also an increasingly toxic atmosphere in the blogosphere, where climate deniers strategically confuse the issue, delay meaningful government action, and harass scientists and authors.
For decades, the media presented the climate “debate” as two sides that were evenly or closely matched. Then a few years ago, around the time Hurricane Katrina struck and Al Gore’s Inconvenient Truth won an Oscar and he and the IPCC were awarded a Nobel Prize, the media began to realize that climate science is real and has consequences, and the “other side” is almost all empty rhetoric.
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More sophisticated denier methods often appeal to:
- Free speech (as if achieving consensus on climate science somehow takes away their Constitutional rights) or
- The nature of scientific inquiry means always questioning your assumptions (ironically, the people who question the science of climate change, are likely those who question all science).
Gosh, excercising free speech and questioning assumptions, why, why, they’re TERRIBLE!
You can read the whole thing here. but I wouldn’t count on being able to leave comments:
Climate Deniers are Polluting the Blogosphere
Of course the thought hasn’t occurred to Mr. Sandler that the bulk of opinion has shifted.
This is not a surprising article, skeptics are probably eating into his organization, Climate Protection Campaign, donation stream.
http://www.climateprotectioncampaign.org/sonomaccp/advisors.php
No I think he has realized it, thus, this panicked drivel.
“They” -the believers’ masters-and all their monkey troop won’t stop pushing their “Brave New World” ideology all along, because there is big money behind.
Why is this a problem – and WHY is this a bad things again (traceability of ‘material’/stock in our food chain, esp. from the head-waters is a BAD thing)?
I think your ‘big beef’ (forgive the pun) is with ground beef, in which case I would suggest you buy only whole cuts of meat …
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Roger Knights (05:02:37) :
Roger this has less to do with Maslow and more to do with Green Economics which espouses a finite limit to economic growth. The resources and environmental demands of bringing all the world’s people up to “consumer class” standards of living would be catastrophic. To avoid the apocalypse and achieve social justice a Green Economy must be imposed as a replacement for the failed capitalist system (Its pretty much Marx except bunnies also march with the workers).
A green economy is a service economy, focused on human and environmental needs. Matter is a means to the end of satisfying real need, and can be radically conserved. Current monetary policy is viewed as a tool of the “totalitarian consumptive class of elites” who lock the poor into repetitive cycles of poverty. To achieve the greater good the green economy must “tame” what people want and desire- it must destroy consumerism. (Solar and wind power will accomplish this task. It is why Greens aren’t concerned that renewables cannot replace our energy base load—they don’t want it replaced.)
Green value seeks to develop Human Capital (similar to Marx’s Labor Power)- which rejects materialism. Current monetary policy is viewed as a tool of the “totalitarian consumptive class of elites” who lock the poor into repetitive cycles of poverty. (Its why any attempt to discuss costs of renewables with a Green is futile- financial costs have no meaning in their world.)
James “Gus” Speth, founder of NRDC, CEQ under Carter, Dean of Yale’s School of the environment, founder of the World Resources Institute and Carol Browner’s mentor summed up the “new politics required to create a Green Economy as follows http://e360.yale.edu/content/feature.msp?id=2075:
The environmental agenda should expand to embrace a profound challenge to consumerism and commercialism and the lifestyles they offer, a healthy skepticism of growthmania and a redefinition of what society should be striving to grow…..”
“Technological change and population stabilization alone cannot save the planet; a complementary reduction of material wants is also required. Even assuming rapid progress in stabilizing human numbers and great strides in employing clean and efficient technologies, human wants will overrun the biosphere unless they shift from material to nonmaterial ends……This can come about only by redrawing the boundary between market consumption and community life, between the individual as consumer and the individual as participant in the social and natural world. Individual motivations toward greater goods consumption will have to shift in favor of deriving fulfillment from community and nature “
Welcome to the World of Ants. Please remember the above every time you hear someone talk about building a green economy.
Unfortunately, some of you folk (ostensibly with good intentions) also think one can skip from the elementary basics to nuclear physics in about 1 step, neglecting a lot of small steps in between, where in each step one may learn a few things that aren’t in totality 100% correct, but each step in the learning/discovery/real-educational process brings one that much closer to knowing reality/knowing the ‘trvth’ (the journey actually being a never-ending journey).
In our present ‘edukashun’ system, I think, there has been a failure to continue education beyond those elementary beginnings, the ‘journey’ is ending prematurely (an end has been, in error, pre-defined, by the education ‘professionals’ ), without seeing the need to continue ‘the journey’; that’s where I think ‘liberalism’/the modern educational system has failed (in my opinion).
Toss in the shortcomings of the press, the short-sighted goals of the pols, the natural disposition of a portion of society to choose the easy course, and we are where we are …
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The AGW rhetoric has jumped the shark and sunk the ship,
It’s underwater totally but they’re making toasts and blaming me,
‘Cause I’m cloggin’ up the blogosphere with ideas so clearly “Not Made Here,”
OK, uh huh, alright, it’s true, I drank Kool Aid from Al Gore’s shoe,
But as I gagged on the toe-jam taste, I read a bit and felt disgraced
By the weakness of the science there – now I feel a real despair,
For science will not soon forget, beaten down by a hockey stick,
Shoved around and made to dance by numbers graceless, sad and scant,
Spliced and splintered politics enough to make a grown man sick,
As proponents of this Mann-made junk pontificate upon their stump,
Claiming strength and naming names, screaming mega-bucks of blame,
Carbon footprints raising dust but not enough to hide their lust
For power to control the lives of countless folks in endless ways.
They won’t stop or slow down much, they’re blind, enraged and out of touch,
But like the rhino they resemble, they won’t stop ’til disassembled.
It won’t be logic or remorse that causes them to change their course,
Nor will science affect their view- they’re too far gone to care what’s true.
Instead, I think their graceless final days will fade into a new Malaise,
Some brand new monster, corporate made – “Oh no! Too late! Will Gaia fade?”
“We must act now! Our time is short! Don’t hesitate – we need support!”
“Don’t listen to those bloggers, NO! They lie! They cheat! They steal your soul!”
“Don’t question us – it’s Settled Science – Green is King! You can’t deny us!”
I beg to differ. I won’t back down. Words are weapons you can’t own.
Because your lying ‘King’ is weak, I’ll take the podium and speak.
I’ll keep on speaking, blog by blog – the truth will set us free, if shared…
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© 2010 Dave Stephens
Smokey says:
April 26, 2010 at 9:03 pm
The Russians — even the Russians — can see that Cap & Trade is an outright scam: click
Doug in Seattle says:
April 26, 2010 at 10:02 pm
Wow Smokey (21:03:09), that Mishin guy really tells it! I too know Russians, as I did my grad research there in the early 90′s. Those folks see everything in stark reality.
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That Michin guy also says: To Save Russia, Conquer Georgia!
You are very desperate for allies?
It is a shame Mike didn’t bother to research the issues that are being questioned before he posted his editorial.
Here’s a list of a few of the groups who take issue with the EPA’s Endangerment finding and have submitted Petitions for Reconsideration.
Petitions for Reconsideration of the Endangerment and Cause or Contribute Findings under Section 202(a) of the Clean Air Act
EPA is currently carefully reviewing the petitions below.
Petitions can be found here: http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/endangerment/petitions.html
Petitions were filed by:
Arthur G. Randol III, Ph.D.
Counsel for the Chamber of Commerce of the United States of America
Coalition for Responsible Regulation
Industrial Minerals Association – North America
Great Northern Project Development, L.P.
National Cattlemen’s Beef Association
Rosebud Mining Company
Massey Energy Company
Alpha Natural Resources, Inc.
Commonwealth of Virginia
Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change
Science and Environmental Policy Project
Competitive Enterprise Institute
Pacific Legal Foundation
Peabody Energy Company
United States Representative John Linder (GA–7th District), U.S. Representative Dana Rohrabacher (CA-46th District), U.S. Representative John Shimkus (IL–19th District), U.S. Representative Phil Gingrey (GA–11th District), U.S. Representative Lynn Westmoreland (GA–3rd District), U.S. Representative Tom Price (GA–6th District), U.S. Representative Paul Broun (GA–10th District), U.S. Representative Steve King (IA–5th District), U.S. Representative Nathan Deal (GA–9th District), by and through Southeastern Legal Foundation Inc.
State of Texas
The Ohio Coal Asociation
Ed Caryl says:
April 27, 2010 at 8:10 am
Gail,
that list is a treasure! I bookmarked it.
I first saw it here at WUWT so thank Anthony. At the time it was only 450 they keep adding to it so its worth a revisit.
Gail Combs (05:27:26) :
Does that mean if I plant Epicyte spermicidal corn on my farm I won’t have to pay carbon taxes??? Maybe I can get grants from the Rockefeller Foundation along with those from Rockefeller’s Population Council.
That corn was a really stupid idea, it doesn’t take much real knowledge to know how readily genes can get moved around between plants. Just look at how far pollen travels, even without the help of bees and other pollinators. I can’t agree with all the conspiracy theories about it, as in I don’t want to believe there can be such malevolent machinations being done “for the greater good,” but I can see where a healthy amount of suspicion is warranted.
Just more of what makes me worry that the human race is more likely to be done in by the “do-gooders” than those with purposely evil intentions.
Of course, genetically modified crops can have some good benefits, which can sometimes seem rather humorous. Like tobacco becoming the next great biofuel crop. That should keep more than a few farmers in business. Maybe yield some nice-smelling car exhaust too. 🙂
Pat Moffitt :
That’s the watermelon economy: Green from the outside and Red from the inside.
The trouble is that, in that anthill wonderland, or in that “Brave New World” Bee-Hive, the chosen Bee-Queen Mumy will surely be “Rolly polly Al”. “They” are (supposed to be) the ones, the most intelligent specimens of the human race, born to govern upon us, ill fated individuals, with scarcely any intelligence at all.
It will depend on each of us if we are to accept that.
Doug in Seattle says:
April 26, 2010 at 10:02 pm
Wow Smokey (21:03:09), that Mishin guy really tells it! I too know Russians, as I did my grad research there in the early 90′s. Those folks see everything in stark reality.
That Michin guy Smokey likes so much, sure is anti AGW, but
he also says: To Save Russia, Conquer Georgia! Good company.
_Jim says:
April 27, 2010 at 9:00 am
But when science and technology can be proven that the path we have taken is incorrect due to chopping individually science into sections with no cross-referencing, we have a problem. Our planet used all the resourses it had at it’s disposal to create a fancinating complex system.
Trying to understand this planet created a massive amount of theories with very little understanding of the cross-over interactions.
Example: Gravity is created from mass??? What is mass? What energy does mass have? I don’t see birds or worms stuck to rocks.
In order to understand gravity, you have to know how our bodies interact with the planet, the energies our planet creates , the absolute complexity of the interactions.
YOU ARE DOOMED!, nothing can prevent you from receiving the AH1N1 WHO’s vaccine, already bought by your government which will turn all Deniers into believers and Al Baby’s lovers.
RE: What is mass?
Perhaps confined energy…
_Jim says:
April 27, 2010 at 8:43 am
Gail Combs (03:43:33) :
… During the fight against Animal ID (NAIS) …
Jim, the problem is not tracing animals, most of us tag our animals and keep records, I even have USDA scrapies tags for my herd. The problem is all the rest of the crap that goes with it. The whole idea comes from international Ag corporations who do not like pesky international borders or national laws that protect consumer health.
My biggest complaint is that the World Trade Organization Agreement on Agriculture is REPLACING quarantine at national borders and disease testing by government labs with traceability. Thanks to the changes made by the WTO treaty California, Texas, Oklahoma and other states now have TB (it was eradicated in the USA) and other disease coming in from Mexico and South America. Also the USDA has drastically reduced testing and shut down labs so we do not even know if any diseases HAVE come in until several years later when a breeder animal is slaughtered.
My next complaint is the intrusiveness of the program. The premises ID is permanently affixed to your property and removes your property rights. Warrants and probable cause are no longer necessary to search you property. A friend had a USDA agent go through his kitchen cabinets and frig looking for drugs. It also places a permanent encumberance on your deed and may change your status from owner to stakeholder. (A stakeholder is a third party holding property for the rightful owner)
Any movement of an animal on or off a property must be reported within 24 hours at a cost of up to $10 per animal. Think of your kid going riding on her pony… Do you really want to have to tell the government ever time she AND HER FRIENDS ride on and off your property AND have to pay some data collection company for the privilege? If you do not own livestock do you want to have to report that your neighbors cows got out and came on your property, register your property with the government. Do you want to have to determine which cows (read their ear tags) trampled your garden and then pay to report the information? Do you want to be subject to fines because a passing vet saw the cows on you property and was required to report it and you did not?
As Darol Dickerson stated:
NAIS will put Livestock owners under closer surveillance than terrorists, illegals aliens, drug dealers, and convicted sex offenders/child molesters. Currently, only convicted sex offenders/child molesters have to register their premises.
Gisela has a very good site with excellent carefully vetted info at http://xstatic99645.tripod.com/naisinfocentral/id10.html
Another good site is NoNAIS.org
Gail Combs
So you have already noticed that there are A LOT of already signed binding agreements signed between the individual countries and UN agencies, from labor to health. Climate change is but one of the last nails on our civilization’s coffin.
…So what we really need it’s a succesful blog, as WUWT, to fight with ideas against the existence of the UN itself. We need to defend our liberties and preserve our freedom.
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kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:
April 27, 2010 at 9:34 am
That corn was a really stupid idea…
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sorry forgot the sarcasm off markings.
But I certainly agree with you. The originators of spermicidal corn and terminator genes for plants are the ones who should be up for criminal charges as Crimes against humanity not “climate deniers” As an American, I am ashamed to admit that the USDA is implicated in both.
I was aware that GMO genes can “transfer” thanks to this article: http://www.i-sis.org.uk/horizontalGeneTransfer.php
DirkH,
“Does that mean i can continue running my car if i pay the OPT to have somebody else sterilized?”
Yes! By buying a Carbon Reduction from Sterilization Certificate, a company in India will abduct and sterilize a young person on your behalf, to allow you to emit CO2 for a whole year.
Enneagram says:
April 27, 2010 at 10:53 am
Gail Combs
So you have already noticed that there are A LOT of already signed binding agreements signed between the individual countries and UN agencies, from labor to health…
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I figured out the USA was headed down the tubes 20 years ago when I noticed the worker to government bureaucrat ration was getting way out of balance. That was thanks to statements made at a Dr Demming, Dr Juran and Peter Drucker seminar I attended.
I have been active in the WTO- Agreement on Ag/ Animal ID/”Food Safety” battleground for around five years. It has been a real eye opener following the threads back to their international origins. (Been giving me nightmares)
kadaka (KD Knoebel) Just imagine introducing those frankestein corn seeds into a country where corn was first engineered (following natural laws) and where you can find several hundreds of varieties ,from the one to feed chicken-the only one you know to purple corn; all these varieties, if accidentally bred with kool aid fools’ corn would disappear.
I believe Martin Luther King had the correct approach to conflict—his approach was peaceful and polite, but not silent. This is clearly the right thing to do and it has proven to be a winning strategy (Ghandi also used a similar approach). MLK was so sure of this approach that he had those that marched with him sign a pledge with the following points:
Pledge of Nonviolence
1. As you prepare to march meditate on the life and teachings of Jesus
2. Remember the nonviolent movement seeks justice and reconciliation – not victory.
3. Walk and talk in the manner of love; for God is love.
4. Pray daily to be used by God that all men and women might be free.
5. Sacrifice personal wishes that all might be free.
6. Observe with friend and foes the ordinary rules of courtesy.
7. Perform regular service for others and the world.
8. Refrain from violence of fist, tongue and heart.
9. Strive to be in good spiritual and bodily health.
10. Follow the directions of the movement leaders and of the captains on demonstrations.
Glenn Beck has posted this pledge along with the Five Principles of Nonviolence here:
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/39452/
I’ll admit that since I took this pledge, I no long give “tongue-lashings” as frequently as I did. Those on the winning side of the argument don’t need to resort to questionable methods.
Gail Combs: That animal tracking could be better applied, it’s all just a matter of ingenuity ☺