Guest post by Steven Goddard
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While volcanic ash falls on Britain, in yet another assault on reason, the Royal Society has warned :
In papers published by the Royal Society, researchers warned that melting ice, sea level rises and even increasingly heavy storms and rainfall – predicted consequences of rising temperatures – could affect the Earth’s crust.
I also watched the movies 2012 and The Day After Tomorrow, but apparently I didn’t take them as seriously as some – Zombieland was probably more realistic.
As the land ”rebounds” back up once the weight of the ice has been removed – which could be by as much as a kilometre in places such as Greenland and Antarctica – then if, in the worst case scenario, all the ice were to melt – it could trigger earthquakes. The increase in seismic activity could, in turn, cause underwater landslides that spark tsunamis. A potential additional risk is from ”ice-quakes” generated when the ice sheets break up, causing tsunamis which could threaten places such as New Zealand, Newfoundland in Canada and Chile.
Pleeezzz …. Even if these claims worth worth considering, it would take tens or hundreds of thousands of years for Greenland and Antarctica to melt.
Back in the real world we hear from the Icelandic Meteorological Service that the glacier is what is causing the ash :
Einar Kjartansson, a geophysicist at the Meteorological Office.believes the volcano has melted about 10 percent of the glacier
It still could take months for the volcano to burn through the rest of the glacier, to a point where the steam and ash would turn instead into lava, he said.
What he is saying is that the sooner the glacier melts, the sooner the volcanic hazards will subside. This must be tough to swallow for people who believe that world is better off when it is cold and icy.
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I think I switched off my bullsh*t detector in 2012 about 2-3 minutes into the movie when someone talked about neutrinos mutating… it would have been impossible to watch the movie with the detector active.
At least in Zombie land they obeyed the laws of physics.
I am almost speechless. Ok I lied. I have lots to say just not polite enough to say it in public. I do truly value my professional reputation. To bad these people do not.
pwl (19:17:40) : ” So what did you think of 2012? ”
In a word? Terrible! Not only that, but 2012 had to be the worst movie I’ve ever seen! It bumped ‘The Mummy 2’ off my all-time worst movie list, which is saying alot because that movie absolutely sucked more than… Well, come to think of it, only 2012 compares to the Mummy 2. Anyway…
So the earth will ‘rebound’? More earthquakes and volcanos? One would think that we should welcome all the new mountains, what with all the sea level rise we’re going to have. But no. Warning, warning, Will Robinson!
Sheeze… Can’t we ever have any good news?!
rbateman (19:41:20) :
A few interesting items I noticed in 2012.
1. They drove from LA to Yellowstone for the weekend. That is a very long two day drive – one way.
2. They were camped in Yellowstone in December in summer clothes with mosquitoes buzzing around the tent.
3. After the sequence of huge and increasing earthquakes in LA, the mother calls up her ex and tells him she wants the kids back home in LA, where it is safe.
4. Woody Harrelson is operating a pirate anti-government radio station out of the parking lot at the campground in Yellowstone, half a mile from the military unit which is devoted to stopping people like him.
5. The Tsunami raised sea level across the entire planet to an elevation of 20,000 feet.
What worries me the most about the Iceland eruption is that we are witnessing how badly the precautionary principle has infected the regulatory world.
Also I note that the UN is at the center of the flight bans, with the European authorities relying on UN models and bureaucrats for their decisions. Why should I not be surprised.
The geology is, of course, immensely fascinating to me as that is my profession.
JDN (19:47:06) :
“I would suggest that the Royal Society members provide the first victims, but, they’ll end up running the affair.”
Yeah but if you pulled it off, who goes first?
I mean, whose contributed the most damage to the situtation, I see the Maths guru’s poiting fingers at the computer science boffins.
Should start with the soft subjects, like the fine arts, work our way down to the Economists.
I’m remembering my Great-Grandfather telling me of the same story the Chippewa, Winnebago and Potawatomi Indians told him of the 100’s of “fire mountains” throughout the Wisconsin area and the massive earthquakes that occurred for “10,000 moons” after the “People of the Fire” chased the ice back to its ancestral home at the top of “Mother Earth”….. Hey, come on! That’s as believable as the once great but never to be again, Royal Society.
BTW, wasn’t a Bond, James Bond movie? Society Royal… or something like that? (Sarc off)
A peak into the future… We may be better off than I first believed. Today I was a substitute for an 8th grade English class. One of the students mentioned Global Warming. It called to mind the recent news item about melting glaciers releasing pressure on the earths crust and causing more volcanos.
I asked if they understood what volcanos were and something about how volcanos worked. All claimed they did.
I asked if they understood knew what a glacier was and how it “WORKED” again they claimed they did.
Finally I asked for a show of hands. “Who thinks that melting glaciers could increase volcanic activity?” Of the class of 12, None thought Glaciers melting would affect volcanos.
This unofficial survey offers antidotal evidence that AGW believers aren’t as smart as 8th graders.
Some of you might try this with your students… We may be able to show they are not as smart as fifth graders.
Seems that there is more ash on the way:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1267348/Iceland-volcano-eruption-New-ash-cloud-heading-UK-throws-plans-open-Britains-airports-chaos.html
Have I awoken to find myself in the Dark Ages ??
It seems I’m now living in the era of doom and gloom.
If it snows, it means we’re in trouble.
If it rains, it means we’re in trouble.
If it’s dry, it means we’re in trouble.
If it’s hot, it means we’re in trouble.
If it’s cold, it means we’re in trouble.
If CO2 levels keep rising, it means we’re in trouble.
If we reduce CO2 levels, it means we’re in trouble cause we’re past the point of no return anyway.
It’s a horrible death we’re all facing here folks :
First will come the horrendous neverending storms. Then will come the inescapable mile-high rising seas. If we survive those horrors, next will come the tsunamis, earthquakes, and volcanic explosions. All the while, roasting in heart-stopping global heatwaves whilst billions are starving from famine, drought and toxic CO2 poisoning. And let’s not forget about those poor melting polar bears and bankrupt prostitutes…
Anthony is right. This is the stuff hollywood bigwigs like James Cameron would kill for to get his hands on the screenplay… Surely the special effects cashflow budget would be worthy of an Academy Award nomination !
Well, I’m sure Prince Charles concurs. LOL.
Anyone see South Park’s episode called ‘Two days Before The Day After Tomorrow’?
Yes, that show is an aquired taste but I find it is at least as perceptive as The Simpsons and that episode was brilliant. And more credible than this absurd wolf crying from Monty Python’s Royal Society.
” So what did you think of 2012? ”
Ridiculous science, but quite a fun roller coaster once you suspend disbelief.
A few years back the Geological Association of Canada (GAC) ran a column in its non-technical publication “GEOLOG”. In this column staff and GAC members wrote reviews of movies that had geological themes. The reviews included “Joe vs. the Volcano”, and other great classics of the 1990’s such Tommy Lee Jones’ LA set feature “Volcano”. Some of the reviews were quite hilarious.
“then if, in the worst case scenario, all the ice were to melt – it could trigger earthquakes.”………………..^^$&#&@ur momisugly%^@ur momisugly#$@ur momisugly&$@ur momisugly#@ur momisugly#%$#@ur momisugly When did the science community decide weight on the topside halted plate shifts and pressure from underneath?????? Did I miss the memo? First volcanoes, now earthquakes. I know, once we figure out how to forecast earthquakes, we’ll all run to the spot and our combined weight will stop the quake and we’ll all be safe. Or a bunch of idiots would fall into a chasm, thus, enhancing the genetic pool of the survivors. Is it wrong to wish for that?
could the ash fallout have an effect on the arctic ice?
stevengoddard (20:00:30) wrote about “A few interesting items I noticed in 2012.”
I haven’t seen this documentary but I assume that it has been rigorously peer reviewed and accepted by the Royal Society. The evidence you noted seems clear.
“1. They drove from LA to Yellowstone for the weekend. That is a very long two day drive – one way.”
Indeed. That much CO2 may have been the actual tipping point. Forgive them Mother Earth, they know not what they do.
“2. They were camped in Yellowstone in December in summer clothes with mosquitoes buzzing around the tent.”
Obviously The Warming had kicked in by then. Further proof of how rapidly things can change once we reach tipping points.
“After the sequence of huge and increasing earthquakes in LA, the mother calls up her ex and tells him she wants the kids back home in LA, where it is safe.”
Classic denier behavior. This is why we all need the government, or even better the UN, to tell us what to do.
“Woody Harrelson is operating a pirate anti-government radio station out of the parking lot at the campground in Yellowstone, half a mile from the military unit which is devoted to stopping people like him.”
Woody works for Greenpeace, and they can do anything they want to save the planet. As long as no bears were harmed.
“The Tsunami raised sea level across the entire planet to an elevation of 20,000 feet.”
Well of course it did. Just look at The Warming in Yellowstone. It has all been predicted by the Royal Society, though because they are so cautious and conservative, they toned down the volume of water. Just like in Gore’s documentary. Don’t want to overly alarm the folks.
They would like to tell us where that water came from but they can’t. Global multi-national security. I’m sure you’ll understand.
My BS Meter is out of range again. I have to get something more powerfull so
I can calculate BS^3
Any ideas what will work??????? LOL
The Guardian is cheating on “rain-made” earthquakes.
It says: “Research from Germany suggests that the Earth’s crust can sometimes be so close to failure that tiny changes in surface pressure brought on my heavy rain can trigger quakes. ”
(http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/apr/19/climate-change-geological-hazards)
I happened read the whole story in 2008, after some researchers claimed that the Sichuan Earthquake was induced by a dam nearby. Actually what the German group researched was totally small tremors, which formed after water accumulating in caves; they can only be measured by instruments and cannot be felt by human:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13371
Climate change or global warming can by no means induce hazardous earthquakes.
JDN (19:47:06) :
So long as people will only accept mindless extremism, I’d like everyone to note that the sun is going out (as evidenced by lack of sunspots). And I’d like to recommend that we placate it with a good old fashioned aztec revival: http://www.religionnewsblog.com/6540
http://www.flickr.com/photos/elgregein/3506075327/
I would suggest that the Royal Society members provide the first victims, but, they’ll end up running the affair.
I thought it was well known, if you want cold you call Al Gore to make a speech, if you want sunspots you get Anthony Watts to make a post about them.
And my favorite zombie movie is “The Revenant”. Saw it at a local movie festival. It could be called the irreverant revenant though considering the gratuitous use of language and just about anything else, but it was still hilarious.
Fitzy (19:12:13) :
Just make sure you don’t all go to one side, or it may ‘tip over’ (makes tipping movements with hand)…..
h/t Hank Johnson 😉
from FT
“Brussels admits scientific flaws in its decision to ground flights
By Pilita Clark in London and Joshua Chaffin in Brussels
Published: April 20 2010 03:00 | Last updated: April 20 2010 03:00
The crisis that closed much of Europe’s airspace for five days finally showed signs of easing yesterday as officials acknowledged flaws in the computer models that led them to ground thousands of flights after a volcanic eruption in Iceland.” hahahaha remind you of something?
Chuck (20:33:35) :
could the ash fallout have an effect on the arctic ice?
Only if the winds blew the other way (they are blowing the ash toward Northern Europe). In which case it would temporarily increase summer melt and then become an ash layer sandwiched in the ice.
Land rebound?
Have they factored in what that will do to the barycentric climate models?
Fitzy (19:12:13) : writes:-
We’ll enter New Zealand in the America’s Cup…
Careful of that bounce, son. Too much and the whole place may capsize like Guam!!
talking of fantasy, I am reading a book in which the military have placed a secret satellite in an ‘almost unique’ (sic) geostationary orbit over the north pole. Fantastic stuff! Even Newton would not have been able to figure that one out!