Leading German magazine SPIEGEL Online has conducted a representative survey about climate change. The (not so surprising) result is that now only a minority (42%) are afraid of the climate change, compared to 62% in fall 2006.
The same article mentions that the respected German Leibniz research community demands the step-down of IPCC”s Rajendra Pachauri. Leibniz president Ernst Rietschel sees climate research “in a difficult situation” in the light of the recent errors and mistakes of the IPCC. Rietschel says:
Rajendra Pachauri should take the responsibility for this and step down.
Original article:
http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/natur/0,1518,685946,00.html
Google Translation:
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DirkH (10:41:01) :
It’s the usual U-turn in public opinion happening about every 30 years.
It’s not just happening in Germany. It’s the same here (USA) too. In general people don’t make the effort to see what’s really going on.
“NickB. (10:33:43) :
I blame it all on DirkH – he’s like Exxon and McIntyre all rolled into one!”
I did talk to a few people i have to admit.
42% is still too many people believing in AGW. A figure of around 15-20% probably represents a hardcore believer group, consisting mostly of government ‘scientists’, sundry losers and rent-a mob lefties. You will never convince any of them of the facts.
In this case, the orthodox political viewpoint is a lagging indicator. It will need to drop below 30% worldwide and stay there; only then will most politicians start pointing out: “the science was flawed, I knew it all along – so that’s it, end of story; let’s move on.”
“Amino Acids in Meteorites (12:04:28) :
Steve Goddard (10:25:08) :
Are you trying to say the Germans are believing what they are seeing out their window and not what’s on tv? Is that what you’re trying to tell us?”
Amino, reality couldn’t be ignored by anyone making his way to work in Germany this winter. You absolutely needed winter tyres. Hundreds of high speed train connections failed. Trucks were veering off inclines. There were even a few localized shortages of road grit. We usually have way more supplies than the UK because icy roads are common in Germany but this winter nearly overpowered the system.
Lost in Google (headline) translation:
“Deutsche verlieren Angst vor Klimawandel” = “German fear of losing climate change”
My take: “Germans losing fear of climate change”
“Erik (12:51:55) :
Lost in Google (headline) translation:
“Deutsche verlieren Angst vor Klimawandel” = “German fear of losing climate change”
My take: “Germans losing fear of climate change””
You’re right, of course. Funny translation by Google.
@martyn farmer (10:30:54) :
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7078140.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=797093
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Maybe its time for Mr. Pachauri to leave before he lose it all:
“I swing the ball in both directions. I used to be fast, I’m gentle medium pace now”
Erik – You are no doubt right… although some Germans, like the whole IPCC and World Watermelon Front gang, do fear “losing climate change” as in the bogey man of AGW which is so useful for stampeding and synchronizing sheep.
Erik,
My rudimentary German from college agrees with your take, as does babelfish.
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_txt
“Germans lose fear of climate changes”
I guess it’s always a good idea to try both translators.
Erik (12:51:55) :
My take: “Germans losing fear of climate change”
Correct.
Leif Svalgaard (13:27:55)
I know a little German…He’s sitting over there
😉
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088286/quotes
Erik (13:08:15) :
Maybe its time for Mr. Pachauri to leave before he lose it all:
“I swing the ball in both directions. I used to be fast, I’m gentle medium pace now”
Interesting that he brags that he swings both directions. What does that have to do with climate change?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Erik (13:08:15) :
Maybe its time for Mr. Pachauri to leave before he lose it all:
“I swing the ball in both directions. I used to be fast, I’m gentle medium pace now”
Methinks the only unplayable deliveries he ever bowled were wides.
And that he had a chronic problem with no-balls (overstepping the line).
Soon only moonbat scientists and leftwing politicians will be the only ones left believing the catastrophic nonsense.
It’s quite clear that this issue is one of leftist media versus the people in most countries.
savethesharks (11:16:46) : “Arggghh “Associated Press” not “Associate”. I’m firing my editor. [Not sure how to fire myself.]”
AP actually stands for “Asinine Propaganda,” so you were almost close enough for jazz. Or for astrophysics, where getting the decimal in the right place suffices. In climate science, the objective is to get the right number of digits in the exponent, and then sell the world on spending trillions of dollars based on that level of uncertainty.
Almost makes you want to say, “Ich bin Berliner.”
If you think that belief is dropping in Germany, how about Mongolia?
Harshest winter in a generation.
http://www.3news.co.nz/Mongolia-Extreme-winter-weather-kills-17-million-livestock/tabid/417/articleID/140817/Default.aspx
http://blogs.worldbank.org/eastasiapacific/dzud-a-slow-natural-disaster-kills-livestock-and-livelihoods-in-mongolia
Question
What is the relative influence/leadership that Germany has had in the AGW/CAGW movement? Are they main players, leaders, followers or have they been relatively neutral.
Has anyone done an assessment, country by country of the roles various nations have played in the last ~25 yrs?
I have been looking mostly at the science side, not the socio-politico-econo side, so don’t have an overall world perspective on that.
John
DirkH (12:44:09) :
“Amino Acids in Meteorites (12:04:28) :
Amino, reality couldn’t be ignored by anyone making his way to work in Germany this winter. You absolutely needed winter tyres. Hundreds of high speed train connections failed. Trucks were veering off inclines. There were even a few localized shortages of road grit. We usually have way more supplies than the UK because icy roads are common in Germany but this winter nearly overpowered the system.
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I know it’s because of the weather that peoples opinion of global warming is changing. It is a shame though that they didn’t discover it through searching for the truth in the science for themselves. It wouldn’t have taken them long, just a few weeks. And it wouldn’t have mattered what the weather was like this year.
From Elfenland to Elefantenland in ten short years.
Juraj V. (11:20:02) :
I am still waiting which top world politician will have enough balls to say openly the whole CAGW is BS. Up to now Vaclav Klaus (Czech president) and Sarah Palin.
Sarah Palin – “top world politician”? Really? Do you really think she is incapable of riding the same kind of gravy train Al Gore did? Do you really think she has done the careful diligent study of the situation that merits her a voice of leadership? Enough balls? Pleeeease!!! She didn’t even stick out her governorship. Please, let’s not feel we have to have another failed politician spearhead the skeptic movement. Palin and Gore drink from the same kool-aid, just different colors. Their lack of credibility gives both their respective positions a bad name. Globally, it appears that slowly but surely, with the help of diligent skeptics, people are doing a good enough job on their own to reach their own conclusions. The so-called “top world politicians” will follow the money trail, as usual.
Hi
There is an another german site for climate sceptics:
http://translate.google.de/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eike-klima-energie.eu%2F&sl=de&tl=en
even though this maybee suprinsing numbers, in toto the german society is still green (or at least everyone believes he would be). chancelor merkel herself, who is head of the conservative party, is picking up traditional green topics every time she has the chance to. and most of left media (wich actually includes most of german media) didn’t even bother covering climagate and similar blowoffs.
so don’t get the numbers worng, maybe less people are afraid anymore, but still the political agenda is full of green issues.
partly due to merkel hersellf, and partly as a leftover from the “rot-grüne” coalition.
re westcoasttiger – I meant well known politician. An yes, to declare AGW for BS needs balls.
I just want politicians to say ‘I don’t think we know, and I’m not spending any more of your money until things become clearer. We should look at adaptation, not trying to mess with the planets climate.’
Cities such as Dresden and Hiroshima were completely destroyed in WW2. A few decades later they were almost back to normal. It’s not that hard to move a city and abandon an old site. The egyptians, romans and greeks did it all the time for one reason or another. And that is only if large sea level rises come to be, which is about the only real threat of a warming climate.