
Guest post by Steven Mosher
In Climategate: The Crutape letters we tried to avoid accusing Professor Jones of CRU and UEA of outright fraud. Instead, based on the record found in the emails, we argued a case of noble cause corruption. I enlarged upon that charge at Pajama’s Media . Commenters took me to task for being too soft on Jones. Based on the extant text at that time I would still hold to my case. No skeptic could change my mind. But Phil Jones makes it hard to defend him anymore. On March 1st he testified before Parliament and there he argued that it was standard scientific practice to not share data. Those who still insist on being generous with him could, I suppose, argue that he has no recollection, but in my mind he is playing with the truth and knows he is playing with the truth.
In 2002 Steve McIntyre had no publications in climate science. He wrote to Jones requesting temperature data. The history of their exchange is detailed in this Climate Audit Post. Jones sent data to McIntyre along with the following mail:
Dear Steve,
Attached are the two similar files [normup6190, cruwld.dat] to those I sent before which should be for the 1994 version. This is still the current version until the paper appears for the new one. As before the stations with normal values do not get used.
I’ll bear your comments in mind when possibly releasing the station data for the new version (comments wrt annual temperatures as well as the monthly). One problem with this is then deciding how many months are needed to constitute an annual average. With monthly data I can use even one value for a station in a year (for the month concerned), but for annual data I would have to decide on something like 8-11 months being needed for an annual average. With fewer than 12 I then have to decide what to insert for missing data. Problem also applies to the grid box dataset but is slightly less of an issue. I say possibly releasing above, as I don’t want to run into the issues that GHCN have come across with some European countries objecting to data being freely available. I would like to see more countries make their data freely available (and although these monthly averages should be according to GCOS rules for GAA-operational Met. Service.
Cheers
Phil Jones
We should note these things: Jones sent data. That was his practice. Jones is aware of the problems in releasing this data. Jones believes that these monthly averages should be released according to GCOS [WMO resolution 40] rules. In 2002 his practice is to release data to a total unknown with no history of publication. And Jones releases the data to him knowing that there are issues around releasing that data.
In 2004 Warwick Hughes exchanges a series of mails with Jones. In 2000 Jones appears to have a cooperative relationship with Hughes. In 2004 the record shows the following
Dear Jean Palutikof, Dr P.D. Jones,
I was just reading your web page at; http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/ and wish to access the station by station temperature data, updated through 2001 referred to on your CRU web page; http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/#datdow as
“Over land regions of the world over 3000 monthly station temperature time series are used.” Where can I download the latest station by station data which is a foundation of Dr Jones et al published papers ? Note, I am not asking about the CRU gridded data which I can see on your web site. Looking forward to your help,
Best wishes,
Warwick Hughes
Warwick,
The station data are not on the CRU web site. If you look at the GHCN page at NCDC, you’ll see they have stopped access and cited WMO Res. 40 for this. To my mind this resolution is supposed to make access free. However, it was hinted at to me a year or two ago that I should also not make the station data available.
The gridded data are there as you know.
I would suggest you take this up with WMO and/or GCOS. I have raised it several times with them and got nowhere.
Cheers
Phil
As Jones points out he believes that WMO Resolution 40 should make access free. Jones also says that he himself has taken up this issue with them. One can presume he took it up because he wanted to give access to data. Further, he knows that there may be agreements that preclude release of the data.
The start of 2005 is a critical point in the story line. Jones had cordial exchanges with Hughes in 2000. Jones shared data with McIntyre in 2002 and in 2004 Jones believed that the data should be shared. In 2005 he has been transformed. In January of 2005, McIntyre published a paper (MM05) critical of Mann. As luck would have it at this time former CRU employee Wigley sent an email to Jones about a flyer he has received that discusses FOIA. At this stage no FOIA have been sent to CRU. But Wigley and Jones are concerned about skeptics. What ever willingness Jones had to share data is gone. Again, Jones shows a clear understanding of the existence of agreements:
Data is covered by all the agreements we sign with people, so I will be hiding behind them. I’ll be passing any requests onto the person at UEA who has been given a post to deal with them.
At the start of Feb 2005, Jones’ attitude toward data sharing becomes clearer and also contradictory. Some people can get this data in violation of agreements, while others who ask for it using legal means will be thwarted.
Mike,
I presume congratulations are in order – so congrats etc !
Just sent loads of station data to Scott [Rutherford]. Make sure he documents everything better this time ! And don’t leave stuff lying around on ftp sites – you never know who is trawling them. The two MMs [McIntyre and McKittrick] have been after the CRU station data for years. If they ever hear there is a Freedom of Information Act now in the UK, I think I’ll delete the file rather than send
to anyone. Does your similar act in the US force you to respond to enquiries within 20 days? – our does ! The UK works on precedents, so the first request will test it. We also have a data protection act, which I will hide behind. Tom Wigley has sent me a worried email when he heard about it – thought people could ask him for his model code. He has retired officially from UEA so he can hide behind that. IPR should be relevant here, but I can see me getting into an argument with someone at UEA who’ll say we must adhere to it !
Two weeks after the publication of MM05, prior to the issuance of any FOIA whatsoever, Jones contemplates destroying data rather than sharing it. But read closely. Jones sends this data to Scott Rutherford. So what’s the standard scientific practice? The data is covered by confidentiality agreements. Jones shared it with McIntyre in 2002, and now shares it with Rutherford in 2005. Jones knows it is covered by agreements and he’s questioned those agreements—except when he finds it convenient to hide behind those agreements. He violates them as he pleases. He shares data as he pleases. And if he is pushed to share it he contemplates destroying it.
On Feb 21, 2005 Keith Briffa sends Jones a mail with a list of editorials that are critical of Dr. Mann for not releasing data. Jones replies to Warwick Hughes’ request for data that same day:
Warwick,
Hans Teunisson will reply. He’ll tell you which other people should reply. Hans is “Hans Teunissen”
I should warn you that some data we have we are not supposed top pass on to others. We can pass on the gridded data – which we do. Even if WMO agrees, I will still not pass on the data. We have 25 or so years invested in the work. Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it. There is IPR to consider.
You can get similar data from GHCN at NCDC. Australia isn’t restricted there.
Several European countries are. Basically because, for example, France doesn’t want the French picking up data on France from Asheville. Meteo France wants to supply data to the French on France. Same story in most of the others.
Cheers
Phil
Jones has changed his attitude about the WMO. Prior to the publication of MM05 Jones believed that the WMO guidelines would make the data available. Moreover he argued with WMO that it should be released. Now, Jones changes his tune. He argues that he will not release the data even if the WMO agrees. His concern? Hughes will find something wrong with it.
When it comes to deciding whether to share data or not, standards have nothing to do with the decisions Jones made and he knows that. He knows he shared confidential data with Rutherford while he denied it to McIntyre and Hughes. He knows he regarded the confidentiality of those agreements quixotically. Violating them or hiding behind them on a whim. This was scientific malpractice. Lying about that now is beyond excuse.
April 2005 comes and we turn to another request from McIntyre: There is a constant refrain amongst AGW defenders that people don’t need to share code and data. They argue that papers do a fine job of explaining the science: They argue that people should write their own code based on description in papers. Here is McIntyre’s request. Note that he has read the paper and tried to emulate the method:
Dear Phil,
In keeping with the spirit of your suggestions to look at some of the other multiproxy publications, I’ve been looking at Jones et al [1998]. The methodology here is obviously more straightforward than MBH98. However, while I have been able to substantially emulate your calculations, I have been unable to do so exactly. The differences are larger in the early periods. Since I have been unable to replicate the results exactly based on available materials, I would appreciate a copy of the actual data set used in Jones et al [1998] as well as the code used in these calculations.
There is an interesting article on replication by Anderson et al., some distinguished economists, here [1]http://research.stlouisfed.org/wp/2005/2005-014.pdf discussing the issue of replication in applied economics and referring favorably to our attempts in respect to MBH98.
Regards, Steve McIntyre
When you cannot replicate a paper based on a description of the data and a description of the method, standard practice is to request materials from the author. McIntyre does that. Jones’ “practice” is revealed in his mail to Mann:
From: Phil Jones <p.jones@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: mann@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: Fwd: CCNet: DEBUNKING THE “DANGEROUS CLIMATE CHANGE” SCARE
Date: Wed Apr 27 09:06:53 2005
Mike,
Presumably you’ve seen all this – the forwarded email from Tim. I got this email from McIntyre a few days ago. As far as I’m concerned he has the data sent ages ago. I’ll tell him this, but that’s all – no code. If I can find it, it is likely to be hundreds of lines of uncommented fortran ! I recall the program did a lot more that just average the series. I know why he can’t replicate the results early on – it is because there was a variance correction for fewer series.
See you in Bern.
Cheers
Phil
Jones does not argue that code should be withheld because of IPR[Intellectual Property Rights]. It’s withheld because he is not sure he can find it and he suspects that it is a mess. More importantly Jones says he knows why McIntyre cannot replicate the results. Jones does not argue “standard scientific practice” to withhold code; he withholds code because it’s either lost, or sloppy and because it will allow McIntyre to understand exactly how the calculations were done. This is malpractice. Today when questioned whether people could replicate his work from the papers he wrote Jones “forgot this mail” and said they could replicate his work. And we should note one last thing. Jones again acknowledges sending data to McIntyre. So, what exactly is Jones’ notion of standard practice? To share or not to share? What the record shows is that Jones shared data and didn’t share data, confidential or not, on a basis that cannot be described as scientific or standard. He did so selectively and prejudicially. Just as he refused data to Hughes to prevent his work being checked he refuses information that McIntyre needs to replicate his published results. At the same time he releases that data to others.
That’s not the end of the story as we all know. In 2007 the first two FOIA were issued to CRU for data. One request for a subset of the data was fulfilled after some delay. The larger request was denied. By 2009 it became clear to McIntyre that the CRU data had also been shared with Webster. When McIntyre requested the very same data that Webster got from Jones, CRU started again with a series of denials again citing confidentiality agreements, inventing the terms of those agreements ex nihilo. Webster could have the data. McIntyre could not.
What the record shows is that Jones had no standard scientific practice of sharing or not sharing data. He had no consistent practice of abiding by or violating confidentiality agreements. He had his chance to sit before Parliament and come clean about the record. He had an opportunity to explain exactly why he took these various contradictory actions over the course of years. Instead he played with the truth again. Enough.
Suppose (just suppose, OK?) that AGW can be mitigated by Peter Hearnden giving me all of his money for the next forty years. I have some data that will prove this, but the Canadians and French are a bit sticky on releasability. Most of my friends think this theory is valid – in the past, Peter didn’t have any money and it was cooler then. Out of an abundance of caution I think the money transfers should begin immediately.
I think Peter will want a bit more proof before this scheme is enacted.
Gurgle, gurgle, glug, glug …
Bye bye Phil. You’ve lost. You and your corrupt, manipulating peers won’t be missed.
Now we can get back to rational science and reasonable governance.
This account reminds me of the boot monument to Benedict Arnold. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boot_Monument) Like Jones, he was initially a great soldier, but betrayed the cause. His leg was seriously wounded in the battle of Saratoga, so, the Americans erected a statue to his leg and were determined to hang the rest.
Phil Jones (2002) sounds like a great guy.
_Jim (07:58:55) :
The wild, unkempt hair, the jacket, open shirt/no tie…
http://www.olemiss.edu/courses/logic/godel3.gif
Peter Hearnden
China and India are doing nothing, so why should we? How much has Europe’s emissions gone down after all the money that has been spent on curbing emissions? China and India have nearly half the worlds population, don’t preach to westerners about doing nothing, travel to China and India. See how you go there, when you get a commitment from those two countries, get back to me.
Peter Hearnden (07:03:13),
“…suppose (just suppose, OK?) AGW science is right and we see 2-4C global warming for a[n] effective CO2 doubling. 2-4C warming is a lot, it’s something that will cost humanity a lot – BILLIONS, TRILLIONS probably.”
Yes Peter, well suppose (just suppose, OK?) that Al Gore believes that the Earth is going to be hit in 100 years time by a giant turtle currently hurtling towards us from the direction of Andromeda .
If he is right the collision damage will cost humanity a lot – BILLIONS, TRILLIONS probably.
So we had better start building some sort of extra-terrestrial shield, regardless of how many billions it costs, just in case he is right? A good idea?
Well actually, no!
Before a penny were spent I would want to see scientific proof that the threat was real.
Equally I would like to see irrefutable scientific proof from Jones, Mann, Wigley et al. that AGW is 95% certain before agreeing to governments blighting the world economy with suicidally costly defensive measures.
James F. Evans (08:12:48) :
Astronomy used to be considered the “Queen” of the sciences — no more, now, it is in crisis.
Apart from the queen being Mathematics, Astronomy is not in a crisis. On the contrary, e.g.
http://www.physorg.com/news186667261.html
Steve:
Nice summary.
All:
I am with IndianaBones – I know it is sometimes hard but please do not feed those who utter nonsense and have a feeble grasp of reality.
re: Peter Hearnden (03:13:12)
Peter
There is NO sceptic case. By definition a sceptic case does not exist. A sceptic is one who by definition thinks THE Case or YOUR Case may not be ironclad.
Let’s say that an engineer builds a bridge in my community. For some common sense reason, local to my area, I am sceptical that the bridge will support the traffic the engineer says it will. I research the plans and come up with a reason why the bridge may not work to specifications. I don’t have a case. I don’t want to build another bridge. I want the people that funded, designed and built the bridge to do it correctly.
So it starts getting out that there might be a problem with the bridge. Then one of the workers, an experienced concrete guy says that, while he’s not an engineer, every other bridge of this type, in this area, is constructed a certain way but this bridge is an exception. Finally the county commission hires a consulting bridge engineer to check it out. He may find that everything is fine or that there are problems.
The point is that anyone should be able to be sceptical about things that involve public funding (public data), public safety, or public regulations that severely disrupt normal conduct (drilling for oil, refining, driving, etc). Anyone! It’s up to the public agency to prove it’s case.
Again, I just noticed “Now, if we follow the AGW sceptic ‘do nothing’ approach” just above. Once more THERE IS NO SCEPTIC APPROACH!! There is no “do nothing approach”. It doesn’t exist. It may be a default case if certain people are wrong, but it’s NOT a sceptic case. The sceptic is not convinced, yet, that those in the know, really know. The sceptics, for good reasons, are not yet convinced of the AGW case. They haven’t been fully convinced yet. Some individual sceptics may have a differing view of the matter, but that is totally irrelevant. Prove the case first. Convincingly, with transparent data, and transparent procedures, and transparent motives.
You gentlemen are feeding the trolls. That is like wrestling with a greased pig in the mud. It gets you nowhere,but the pig enjoys it immensely.
Vincent (09:00:43) :
I think you’re over-thinking it 🙂
What Dr. Motl is saying is that, while one individual’s mishap might be attributed to unrelated personal/professional failures (e.g. being unorganized or simply incompetent), when we look at climate science community™ as a whole, there is a clear pattern of misrepresentation in one direction.
E.g. We are yet to see the IPCC citing a contra-AGWH grey literature publication.
Putting it in the words of a statistician: there is enough statistical evidence to infer a clear system wide bias towards the AGWH cause.
Peter Hearnden (07:05:55) :
“Dashing.Leech” – absolutely! A post I wish I’d written….
Nah, the moniker had promise as did Dashing’s failure to read and understand the problem with Climate “Science”. But if he wants Thorazine, he’s going to have to do a much better job in selling his own case!
Peter Hearnden (02:04:34) :
“One long ad hom, science content zero.”
If you have read me around the net or read the book you would know that my position is this. I believe in AGW. I am a Lukewarmer. The mails change nothing about the science. The mails are not science. Science is changed
by other science. What the mails do for me is cast doubt on the process.
That process must be fixed to restore trust. BTW it’s not an ad hom to point
out what a man said, what a man did.
“When will you people get off the backs of people like Dr Jones and leave them to get on with their research?”
Like Dr. Jones? I will never get off their backs. I do respect the work of
peole like Judith Curry and others who support Open access. People who don’t? Sorry.
“Incidentally, who are you Mr Mosher? If you think it’s right that everything about Dr Jones should be public knowledge because it might cost us billion if he’s wrong so his science needs infinite testing, then it’s also the case that if you’re wrong it might also cost us billions and so everything about you should be public knowledge.”
You have a problem with logic. If you want to know about me, read my submission to parliament. I don’t think its right that “EVERYTHING” about
Phil should be public. The mails are public. people mis represent what they say. I clear that up for them. If don’t think the science needs infinite testing.
I reccommended in the book that Jones temperature series be “done over”
That effort is underway. The problem you have with a fellow like me is I don’t think Jones’ science is wrong. I think he behaved badly. That behavior leads to a lack of trust. get it? It’s up to him to fix that loss of confidence.
“Therefore I demand you place on public record all your scientifc notes, workings, jotting, e mails, code (every scrap) and papers for the last ten years. All of it, everything, every last word , figure and number. If you don’t do that i will be demanding it by FOI and I wont desisit, I’ll shower you with FOI request for a decade.”
Go ahead. Jones’ words still stand. Here is the funny difference you dont get. None of my words, my works, my facts will change what Jones said.
That is why I QUOTE HIM. his words not mine. You finish your little FOI
project against me and the doubt around Jones still stands. Now, by defending Jones you keep doubt alive. If doubt is kept alive people won’t act. If people wont act, it will cost us Billions. See what damage you are doing.
please child.
Jimbo (08:01:49) :
I would say CAGW is more akin to
polywater and nuclear winter.
scienceofdoom (02:30:13) :
I continue to enjoy your blog. The surface record should not be such a big deal. It’s largely an accounting task. a historical task. The “science” of area averaging and series adjustment is largely cook book statistics. I’ve said this repeatedly. By fighting over the issues in this the CAGW crowd have kept this issue alive longer than they had to.
Dashing Leech,
Your arguement seems based on ‘only climate scientists can judge other climate scientists and the like of SM etc should back off because they make schoolboy errors’..the old a little knowledge is a dangerous thing point.
Fair enough.
But where your arguement breaks down is when another climate scientist DOES criticise the method used by your pref climate scientists. And as there are quite a few examples of this your arguement is rather illogical. Do you get that?
Peter….I think we skeptics come from the problem we have with the Hockey Stick. For years accepted history, and science, said there was warm/cool/warm/cool/warm trend starting with the Roman Optimum (and before really) and ending with the LIA which we believed were coming out of. Then Mann comes along and says, nope, that never really happened, temps were flat etc etc. We all raised an eyebrow at this because its part of the written history, so we wanted proof – he may have been right, we may have been associating annectdotal evidence and hard data said something else.
But…really…when we asked to look at the evidence we got stonewalled. That made us suspicious, so we asked harder. In the end we find that the evidence for his Hockey Stick is not as robust as he maintains. This then makes us say “well hold on, if our MWP/LIA is now back on the menu (as Briffa/Jones have since indicated) firstly WHY did you try to say it the MWP/LIA did not exist, when your data does not prove anything, and if they did exist, what is unprecedented about now? Our suspicions being raised by this to an intense level, we then start looking under other stones, and what we find are quite a lot of assumptions have been made on less than robust data. We are now at a situation where I think the ‘concensus’ of opinion in the skeptic ranks is that the warming we see is prob about half that of what is stated (uhi/rural etc etc) and if THAT is the case, if we apply ENSO etc, where is the CO2 influence at all? Peter..if you cannot see our concerns based on that you are blind man? I can’t help you if you do not see that we may well have been counting angels dancing on the head of a pin for the last few years.
As an aside, I think I read the (non climate) science community having a bit of a night of the long knives here. Fellow scientists TRUSTED these guys to be true to the data, they backed them, without looking into it themselves, because they believed no scientist would go where Mann etc would go, trying to eek data from noise to such an extent. Now the rest of the community is embarrassed by this, what thier colleagues have done. And I think Jones & Briffa know it. He can’t back up his theory with data.
We all know what happens in a sealed lab experiment…it just does not seem to be happening in the atmosphere.
Sorry about the capital letters..am not shouting, just trying to get over the main thrust of the sentance.
Peter Hearnden (02:04:34) :
“When will you people get off the backs of people like Dr Jones and leave them to get on with their research? ”
What “science” are we talking about here?
-Calculating some averages
-Plotting some datapoints.
Bah! You can do that after college! Just avoid putting in some secret fudge-factors and you are good to go!
But show us the data so we can check you spendt the tax dollars correctly, thats all. If you hide it, you probably have something to hide.
Gosh…..by the time I’d written my ramble a dozen people pipped me to it, more succintly too.
The posts here are getting huge. I can remember when it took all day to see another post. Blimey.
Ref – Leif Svalgaard (09:12:59) :
“_Jim (07:58:55) :
“The wild, unkempt hair, the jacket, open shirt/no tie…”
____________________________
But those glasses!!! Yuck!!!
That old farmer he’s standing next to reminds me of a fella I used to go fishing with. Called him “Granddaddy”.
VS
Putting it in the words of a statistician: there is enough statistical evidence to infer a clear system wide bias towards the AGWH cause.
If you do Bayesian, the probability that all that has transpired happened accidentally – all the data tapes being lost from the 80s, all the AGW symapathetic researchers getting loads of data, all the hiding behind IPR, all the FOIA evasion, all the chest-beating, hand-wringing, moaning, complaining, all the RealClimating – the probability must be miniscule.
🙂
Graphite (03:28:10) :
Thanks for that Steven – what we need is a presentation like that in court!
Well, we don’t get any time in court. we dont get to ask Jones the tough questions. I guess people can mail the article to friends and parliament and
their representatives, etc etc.
michel (01:38:14), thanks for the reference to Penquin Island. I’ve only read the Preface so far but have already found this gem:
“It is true that the scientific reasons for preferring one piece of evidence to another are sometimes very strong, but they are never strong enough to outweigh our passions, our prejudices, our interests, or to overcome that levity of mind common to all grave men. I follows that we continually present the facts in a prejudiced or frivolous manner.”
If/when CAGW is ever dead and buried, this could go on its headstone.
Something was odd with this questioning and it has finally dawned on me. The defence being offered by Jones was that “all the information is available from other sources …. it’s all as clear as day, the FOI were totally unnecessary”.
Except, whilst they asserted that it was all very simple and all the information was clear, the committee at the very end of the sessions had to ask Prof Beddington to contact them regarding exactly which data was really public.
Put it this way: “the Science and Technology Committee were forced to make a special request (FOI) to obtain information because Prof Jones had so obfuscated about the information that he had failed to supply it as requested.”
I really cannot believe that people would still defend this charade.
ESpecially after Dr. Jones’ comment that “There has been no statistically significant warming since 1995 ”
The Naivete and gullibility of otherwise intelligent people is astounding.
Climate science is not even a “settled” discipline, never mind its content.
I have exactly Zero confidence that al factors have been adequately accounted for or even acknowledged.
Just for the CAGW crowd:
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Jan_Hendrik_Schön
These people exist. There ARE dishonest Scientists.
Schon worked for Lucent/Bell at Murray Hill and KNEW perfectly well that
his work would be subjected to physical replication as well as scrutiny because he was supposed to come up with new stuff that would be produced and sold. Not just data, products. It did not stop him .
In this case we have Scientists of a similar not-fully-honest
bent who fell in with a bad crowd of Social engineers and Political masterminds ( to be kind) which gave them a license to cheat.
>>steven mosher (09:41:06) :
>>please child.
Smacked down with a Chad Ochocincoism. That’s gotta sting.