Climategate: Plausibility and the blogosphere in the post-normal age.

I’m honored to offer this guest post by Jerome Ravetz, of Oxford University in the UK. Mr. Ravetz is an environmental consultant and professor of philosophy of science best known for his books challenging the assumptions of scientific objectivity, discussing the science wars and post-normal science. Read more about him at his personal web page here, his Oxford page here, or at his blog the Post-normal Times. Also, my thanks to WUWT regular “tallbloke” for his facilitation. – Anthony

Guest post by Jerome Ravetz

At the end of January 2010 two distinguished scientific institutions shared headlines with Tony Blair over accusations of the dishonest and possibly illegal manipulation of information.  Our ‘Himalayan glaciers melting by 2035’  of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is matched by his ‘dodgy dossier’ of Saddam’s fictitious subversions.  We had the violations of the Freedom of Information Act at the University of East Anglia; he has the extraordinary 70-year gag rule on the David Kelly suicide file. There was ‘the debate is over’ on one side, and ‘WMD beyond doubt’ on the other. The parallels are significant and troubling, for on both sides they involve a betrayal of public trust.

Politics will doubtless survive, for it is not a fiduciary institution; but for science the dangers are real.  Climategate is particularly significant because it cannot be blamed on the well-known malign influences from outside science, be they greedy corporations or an unscrupulous State.  This scandal, and the resulting crisis, was created by people within science who can be presumed to have been acting with the best of intentions.  In the event of a serious discrediting of the global-warming claims, public outrage would therefore be directed at the community of science itself, and (from within that community) at its leaders who were either ignorant or complicit until the scandal was blown open.  If we are to understand Climategate, and move towards a restoration of trust, we should consider the structural features of the situation that fostered and nurtured the damaging practices.  I believe that the ideas of Post-Normal Science (as developed by Silvio Funtowicz and myself) can help our understanding.

There are deep problems of the management of uncertainty in science in the policy domain, that will not be resolved by more elaborate quantification.  In the gap between science and policy, the languages, their conventions and their implications are effectively incommensurable.  It takes determination and skill for a scientist who is committed to social responsibility, to avoid becoming a ‘stealth advocate’ (in the terms of Roger Pielke Jr.).  When the policy domain seems unwilling or unable to recognise plain and urgent truths about a problem, the contradictions between scientific probity and campaigning zeal become acute.  It is a perennial problem for all policy-relevant science, and it seems to have happened on a significant scale in the case of climate science.  The management of uncertainty and quality in such increasingly common situations is now an urgent task for the governance of science.

We can begin to see what went seriously wrong when we examine what the leading practitioners of this ‘evangelical science’ of global warming (thanks to Angela Wilkinson) took to be the plain and urgent truth in their case.  This was not merely that there are signs of exceptional disturbance in the ecosphere due to human influence, nor even that the climate might well be changing more rapidly now than for a very long time.  Rather, they propounded, as a proven fact, Anthropogenic Carbon-based Global Warming.  There is little room for uncertainty in this thesis; it effectively needs hockey-stick behaviour in all indicators of global temperature, so that it is all due to industrialisation.  Its iconic image is the steadily rising graph of CO2 concentrations over the past fifty years at the Mauna Loa volcano in Hawaii (with the implicit assumption that CO2  had always previously been at or below that starting level).  Since CO2 has long been known to be a greenhouse gas, with scientific theories quantifying its effects, the scientific case for this dangerous trend could seem to be overwhelmingly simple, direct, and conclusive.

In retrospect, we can ask why this particular, really rather extreme view of the prospect, became the official one.  It seems that several causes conspired.  First, the early opposition to any claim of climate change was only partly scientific; the tactics of the opposing special interests were such as to induce the proponents to adopt a simple, forcefully argued position.  Then, once the position was adopted, its proponents became invested in it, and attached to it, in all sorts of ways, institutional and personal.  And I suspect that a simplified, even simplistic claim, was more comfortable for these scientists than one where complexity and uncertainty were acknowledged.  It is not merely a case of the politicians and public needing a simple, unequivocal message.  As Thomas Kuhn described ‘normal science’, which (as he said) nearly all scientists do all the time, it is puzzle-solving within an unquestioned framework or ‘paradigm’.  Issues of uncertainty and quality are not prominent in ‘normal’ scientific training, and so they are less easily conceived and managed by its practitioners.

Now, as Kuhn saw, this ‘normal’ science has been enormously successful in enabling our unprecedented understanding and control of the world around us.  But his analysis related to the sciences of the laboratory, and by extension the technologies that could reproduce stable and controllable external conditions for their working.  Where the systems under study are complicated, complex or poorly understood, that ‘textbook’ style of investigation becomes less, sometimes much less, effective.  The near-meltdown of the world’s financial system can be blamed partly on naïvely reductionist economics and misapplied simplistic statistics.  The temptation among ‘normal’ scientists is to work as if their material is as simple as in the lab.  If nothing else, that is the path to a steady stream of publications, on which a scientific career now so critically depends.  The most obvious effect of this style is the proliferation of computer simulations, which give the appearance of solved puzzles even when neither data nor theory provide much support for the precision of their numerical outputs.  Under such circumstances, a refined appreciation of uncertainty in results is inhibited, and even awareness of quality of workmanship can be atrophied.

In the course of the development of climate-change science, all sorts of loose ends were left unresolved and sometimes unattended.  Even the most fundamental quantitative parameter of all, the forcing factor relating the increase in mean temperature to a doubling of CO2, lies somewhere between 1 and 3 degrees, and is thus uncertain to within a factor of 3.  The precision (at about 2%) in the statements of the ‘safe limits’ of CO2 concentration, depending on calculations with this factor, is not easily justified.  Also, the predictive power of the global temperature models has been shown to depend more on the ‘story line’ than anything else, the end-of century increase in temperature ranging variously from a modest one degree to a catastrophic six.  And the ‘hockey stick’ picture of the past, so crucial for the strict version of the climate change story, has run into increasingly severe problems.  As an example, it relied totally on a small set of deeply uncertain tree-ring data for the Medieval period, to refute the historical evidence of a warming then; but it needed to discard that sort of data for recent decades, as they showed a sudden cooling from the 1960’s onwards!  In the publication, the recent data from other sources were skilfully blended in so that the change was not obvious; that was the notorious ‘Nature trick’ of the CRU e-mails.

Even worse, for the warming case to have political effect, a mere global average rise in temperature was not compelling enough.  So that people could appreciate the dangers, there needed to be predictions of future climate – or even weather – in the various regions of the world.  Given the gross uncertainties in even the aggregated models, regional forecasts are really beyond the limits of science.  And yet they have been provided, with various degrees of precision.  Those announced by the IPCC have become the most explosive.

As all these anomalies and unsolved puzzles emerged, the neat, compelling picture became troubled and even confused.  In Kuhn’s analysis, this would be the start of a ‘pre-revolutionary’ phase of normal science.  But the political cause had been taken up by powerful advocates, like Al Gore.  We found ourselves in another crusading ‘War’, like those on (non-alcoholic) Drugs and ‘Terror’.  This new War, on Carbon, was equally simplistic, and equally prone to corruption and failure.  Global warming science became the core element of this major worldwide campaign to save the planet.  Any weakening of the scientific case would have amounted to a betrayal of the good cause, as well as a disruption of the growing research effort.  All critics, even those who were full members of the scientific peer community, had to be derided and dismissed.  As we learned from the CRU e-mails, they were not considered to be entitled to the normal courtesies of scientific sharing and debate.  Requests for information were stalled, and as one witty blogger has put it, ‘peer review’ was replaced by ‘pal review’.

Even now, the catalogue of unscientific practices revealed in the mainstream media is very small in comparison to what is available on the blogosphere.  Details of shoddy science and dirty tricks abound.  By the end, the committed inner core were confessing to each other that global temperatures were falling, but it was far too late to change course.  The final stage of corruption, cover-up, had taken hold.  For the core scientists and the leaders of the scientific communities, as well as for nearly all the liberal media, ‘the debate was over’.  Denying Climate Change received the same stigma as denying the Holocaust.  Even the trenchant criticisms of the most egregious errors in the IPCC reports were kept ‘confidential’.  And then came the e-mails.

We can understand the root cause of Climategate as a case of scientists constrained to attempt to do normal science in a post-normal situation. But climate change had never been a really ‘normal’ science, because the policy implications were always present and strong, even overwhelming.  Indeed, if we look at the definition of ‘post-normal science’, we see how well it fits:  facts uncertain,values in dispute, stakes high, and decisions urgent.  In needing to treat Planet Earth like a textbook exercise, the climate scientists were forced to break the rules of scientific etiquette and ethics, and to play scientific power-politics in a way that inevitably became corrupt.  The combination of non-critical ‘normal science’ with anti-critical ‘evangelical science’ was lethal. As in other ‘gate’ scandals, one incident served to pull a thread on a tissue of protective plausibilities and concealments, and eventually led to an unravelling.  What was in the e-mails could be largely explained in terms of embattled scientists fighting off malicious interference; but the materials ready and waiting on the blogosphere provided a background, and that is what converted a very minor scandal to a catastrophe.

Consideration of those protective plausibilities can help to explain how the illusions could persist for so long until their sudden collapse.  The scientists were all reputable, they published in leading peer-reviewed journals, and their case was itself highly plausible and worthy in a general way.  Individual criticisms were, for the public and perhaps even for the broader scientific community, kept isolated and hence muffled and lacking in systematic significance.  And who could have imagined that at its core so much of the science was unsound?  The plausibility of the whole exercise was, as it were, bootstrapped.  I myself was alerted to weaknesses in the case by some caveats in Sir David King’s book The Hot Topic; and I had heard of the hockey-stick affair.  But even I was carried along by the bootstrapped plausibility, until the scandal broke. (I have benefited from the joint project on plausibility in science of colleagues in Oxford and at the Arizona State University).

Part of the historic significance of Climategate is that the scandal was so effectively and quickly exposed.  Within a mere two months of the first reports in the mainstream media, the key East Anglia scientists and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change were discredited.  Even if only a fraction of their scientific claims were eventually refuted, their credibility as trustworthy scientists was lost.  To explain how it all happened so quickly and decisively, we have the confluence of two developments, one social and the other technical.  For the former, there is a lesson of Post-Normal Science, that we call the Extended Peer Community.  In traditional ‘normal’ science, the peer community, performing the functions of quality-assurance and governance, is strictly confined to the researchers who share the paradigm.  In the case of ‘professional consultancy’, the clients and/or sponsors also participate in governance.  We have argued that in the case of Post-Normal Science, the ‘extended peer community’, including all affected by the policy being implemented, must be fully involved.  Its particular contribution will depend on the nature of the core scientific problem, and also on the phase of investigation.  Detailed technical work is a task for experts, but quality-control on even that work can be done by those with much broader expertise.  And on issues like the definition of the problem itself, the selection of personnel, and crucially the ownership of the results, the extended peer community has full rights of participation.  This principle is effectively acknowledged in many jurisdictions, and for many policy-related problems.  The theory of Post-Normal Science goes beyond the official consensus in recognising ‘extended facts’, that might be local knowledge and values, as well as unoffficially obtained information.

The task of creating and involving the extended peer community (generally known as ‘participation’) has been recognised as difficult, with its own contradictions and pitfalls.  It has grown haphazardly, with isolated successes and failures.  Hitherto, critics of scientific matters have been relegated to a sort of samizdat world, exchanging private letters or writing books that can easily be ignored (as not being peer-reviewed) by the ruling establishment.  This has generally been the fate of even the most distinguished and responsible climate-change critics, up to now.  A well-known expert in uncertainty management, Jeroen van der Sluijs, explicitly condemned the ‘overselling of certainty’ and predicted the impending destruction of trust; but he received no more attention than did Nikolas Taleb in warning of the ‘fat tails’ in the probability distributions of securities that led to the Credit Crunch. A prominent climate scientist, Mike Hulme, provided a profound analysis in Why We Disagree About Climate Change, in terms of complexity and uncertainty.  But since legitimate disagreement was deemed nonexistent, he too was ignored.

To have a political effect, the ‘extended peers’ of science have traditionally needed to operate largely by means of activist pressure-groups using the media to create public alarm. In this case, since the global warmers had captured the moral high ground, criticism has remained scattered and ineffective, except on the blogosphere.  The position of Green activists is especially difficult, even tragic; they have been ‘extended peers’ who were co-opted into the ruling paradigm, which in retrospect can be seen as a decoy or diversion from the real, complex issues of sustainability, as shown by Mike Hulme.  Now they must do some very serious re-thinking about their position and their role.

The importance of the new media of communications in mass politics, as in the various ‘rainbow revolutions’ is well attested.  To understand how the power-politics of science have changed in the case of Climategate, we can take a story from the book Here Comes Everybody by Clay Shirkey.  There were two incidents in the Boston U.S.A. diocese of the Roman Catholic Church, involving the shuffling of paeodophile priests around parishes.  The first time, there was a criminal prosecution, with full exposure in the press, and then nothing happened.  The second time, the outraged parents got on their cell phones and organised; and eventually Cardinal Archbishop Bernard Francis Law (who had started as a courageous cleric in the ‘60’s) had to leave for Rome in disgrace.  The Climategate affair shows the  importance of the new IT for science, as an empowerment of the extended peer community.

The well-known principle, ‘knowledge is power’ has its obverse, ‘ignorance is impotence’.  And ignorance is maintained, or eventually overcome, by a variety of socio-technical means.  With the invention of cheap printing on paper, the Bible could be widely read, and heretics became Reformers. The social activity of science as we know it expanded and grew through the age of printing.  But knowledge was never entirely free, and the power-politics of scientific legitimacy remained quite stable for centuries.  The practice of science has generally been restricted to a social elite and its occasional recruits, as it requires a prior academic education and a sufficiency of leisure and of material resources.  With the new information technology, all that is changing rapidly.  As we see from the ‘open source’ movement, many people play an active role in enjoyable technological development in the spare time that their job allows or even encourages.  Moreover, all over IT there are blogs that exercise quality control on the industry’s productions.  In this new knowledge industry, the workers can be as competent as the technicians and bosses.  The new technologies of information enable the diffusion of scientific competence and the sharing of unofficial information, and hence give power to peer communities that are extended far beyond the Ph.D.s in the relevant subject-specialty.  The most trenchant and effective critics of the ‘hockey stick’ statistics were a University-employed economist and a computer expert.

Like any other technology, IT is many-faceted.  It is easily misused and abused, and much of the content of the blogosphere is trivial or worse.  The right-wing political agendas of some climate sceptics, their bloggers and their backers, are quite well known.  But to use their background or motivation as an excuse for ignoring their arguments, is a betrayal of science.  The  blogosphere interacts with other media of communication, in the public and scientific domains.  Some parts are quite mainstream, others not.  The Climategate blogosphere is as varied in quality as any other.  Some leading scholars, like Roger Pielke, Jr. have had personal blogs for a long time.  Some blogs are carefully monitored, have a large readership and are sampled by the mainstream media (such as the one on which this is posted, Wattsupwiththat.com).  Others are less rigorous; but the same variation in quality can be found in the nominally peer-reviewed scientific literature.  Keeping up with the blogosphere requires different skills from keeping up with traditional literature; it is most useful to find a summarising blog that fits one’s special interests, as well as a loyal correspondent, as (in my case) Roger ‘tallbloke’ Tattersall.

Some mainstream publications are now saying nice things about the blogosphere.  Had such sentiments been expressed a while ago, the critical voices might have had a public hearing and the Climategate scandal might have been exposed before it became entrenched so disastrously.  And now the critical blogosphere does not need to be patronised.  Like any extension of political power, whether it be the right to believe, to protest, to vote, to form trades unions, or to be educated, it can lead to instabilities and abuses.  But now the extended peer community has a technological base, and the power-politics of science will be different.  I cannot predict how it will work out, but we can be confident that corruptions built on bootstrapped plausibility will be less likely in the future.

There is an important philosophical dimension to Climategate, a question of the relation of personal scientific ethics to objective scientific facts.  The problem is created by the traditional image of science (as transmitted in scientific education) as ‘value-free’.  The personal commitments to integrity, that are necessary for the maintenance of scientific quality, receive no mention in the dominant philosophy of science. Kuhn’s disenchanted picture of science was so troubling to the idealists (as Popper) because in his ‘normal’ science criticism had hardly any role.  For Kuhn, even the Mertonian principles of ethical behaviour were effectively dismissed as irrelevant.  Was this situation truly ‘normal’ – meaning either average or (worse) appropriate?  The examples of shoddy science exposed by the Climategate convey a troubling impression.  From the record, it appears that in this case, criticism and a sense of probity needed to be injected into the system by the extended peer community from the (mainly) external blogosphere.

The total assurance of the mainstream scientists in their own correctness and in the intellectual and moral defects of their critics, is now in retrospect perceived as arrogance.  For their spokespersons to continue to make light of the damage to the scientific case, and to ignore the ethical dimension of Climategate, is to risk public outrage at a perceived unreformed arrogance. If there is a continuing stream of ever more detailed revelations, originating in the blogosphere but now being brought to a broader public, then the credibility of the established scientific authorities will continue to erode.  Do we face the prospect of the IPCC reports being totally dismissed as just more dodgy dossiers, and of hitherto trusted scientists being accused of negligence or worse?  There will be those who with their own motives will be promoting such a picture.  How can it be refuted?

And what about the issue itself?  Are we really experiencing Anthropogenic Carbon-based Global Warming?  If the public loses faith in that claim, then the situation of science in our society will be altered for the worse. There is very unlikely to be a crucial experience that either confirms or refutes the claim; the post-normal situation is just too complex. The consensus is likely to depend on how much trust can still be put in science.  The whole vast edifice of policy commitments for Carbon reduction, with their many policy prescriptions and quite totalitarian moral exhortations, will be at risk of public rejection.  What sort of chaos would then result?  The consequences for science in our civilisation would be extraordinary.

To the extent that the improved management of uncertainty and ignorance can remedy the situation, some useful tools are at hand.  In the Netherlands, scholars and scientists have developed ‘Knowledge Quality Assessment’ methodologies for characterising uncertainty in ways that convey the richness of the phenomenon while still performing well as robust tools of analysis and communication.  Elsewhere, scholars are exploring methods for managing disagreement among scientists, so that such post-normal issues do not need to become so disastrously polarised.  A distinguished scholar, Sheila Jasanoff, has called for a culture of humility among scientists, itself a radical move towards a vision of a non-violent science.  Scientists who have been forced to work on the blogosphere have had the invaluable experience of exclusion and oppression; that could make it easier for them to accept that something is seriously wrong and then to engage in the challenging moral adventures of dealing with uncertainty and ignorance.  The new technologies of communications are revolutionising knowledge and power in many areas.  The extended peer community of science on the blogosphere will be playing its part in that process.  Let dialogue commence!

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My thanks to numerous friends and colleagues for their loyal assistance through all the drafts of this essay.  The final review at a seminar at the Institute of Science, Innovation and Society at Oxford University was very valuable, particularly the intervention from ‘the man in the bus queue’.

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Maurice J
February 10, 2010 12:38 am

I think it is disingenuous to compare AGW with Saddam’s Iraq.
The AGW hypothesis based on man made production of CO2 (Plant Food) ,first proposed in 1938, HAS NEVER HAD ANY EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT IT PERIOD. The complete scandal has been kept afloat by falsification of among other things the observed temperature record….unforgivable dishonesty period.
In the Saddam Iraq case, the scumbag Saddam along with his scumbag mate Chemical Ali actually used WMD’s (Chemical Weapons) on their own people, and I believe got what they deserved, tipped out and strung up.
The AGW scammers deserve jail time.

Alan H
February 10, 2010 12:43 am

I think that the essay posted here is quite brilliant and should be read by as wide an audience as possible. Send it to your MPs, your Senators, your Newspapers and TV stations.

Nigel S
February 10, 2010 12:47 am

Willis Eschenbach (23:53:22)
With you there Willis, b******s and lefty b******s at that. Oxford is a hotbed of this sort of nonsense, Cambridge much the same unfortunately.

8th Howler Monkey
February 10, 2010 12:56 am

Very profound post – excellent paper.
Thank you Mr. Ravetz

slow to follow
February 10, 2010 12:56 am

“Real Climate”
Top science blog on “Post Normal TImes – Putting Science into Context”
http://www.postnormaltimes.net/blog/index.html

mercurior
February 10, 2010 1:00 am

The Royal Society, as a major part of the flowering of the tradition, was founded on the basis of scepticism. Its motto “On the word of no one” was a stout affirmation. Now suddenly, following their successful coup, the Greens have changed this motto of centuries to one that manages to be both banal and sinister – “Respect the facts.”
from via numberwatch http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/religion.htm
Facts are changable, before the himalayagate it was “FACT”, All scientists should be sceptical, question everything, make sure what you discover is polished so that even the most dense of people can understand. But i have noticed that the “science” of agw relies on higher technical speech. Which a lot of people just dont understand.
Also have a caveat, its true for the moment until we discover a deeper truth, deeper reality, this will do. Then you add to that the self preservation of the scientists, to go against the orthodoxy, is to be locked up in a tower until you agree with the “FACTS”. (or not get paid, or fired from your job or pushed to conform)
The scientists of Galileo’s time had the “facts” that the sun went round the earth, but one person questioned, and look at what happened.

Tom FP
February 10, 2010 1:02 am

How can the writer of such an excellent piece ruin it by “If the public loses faith in that claim, then the situation of science in our society will be altered for the worse.”? It’s like the thirteenth stroke of a clock – casting doubt on every earlier chime!
You seem to be saying – “the CRU group got the right result by breaching the strictures of normal scientific method and are therefore disbelieved, so the planet isn’t being saved any more – therefore the subject they are studying is not amenable to the normal scientific method – therefore it needs in future to be studied according to post-normal scientific method – so that when that produces the right result it will be believed, and the planet can be saved.” Doesn’t seem to leave much room for the possibility that there may turn out to be nothing in the climate to worry us any more than, say, the problem of hip displasia in overbred spaniels, does it?
Put another way, before you start promulgating new scientific paradigms, can we at least see what happens when we just stick to the old one?
Try this:
“If the public loses faith in that claim, then the situation of the pseudo-science of ‘climate science’ in our society will be altered for the worse. Genuine scientists, in particular genuine meteorologists and genuine climatologists, most of whom have long doubted CO2/AGW, will enjoy a return to credibility commensurate with the extent to which they repudiate ‘climate science’ and its practitioners. “Climate Science”, if it survives at all, will have to be seen for what it always was – a little bit of physics and a huge amount of statistics – and must in future be the province of first-rate statisticians and code writers, not of third-rate migrants from other fields, attracted by the huge rewards to be had from using shoddy science to scare people.”

tallbloke
February 10, 2010 1:10 am

Willis,
I agree with much of what you say, and I doubt Jerry Ravetz would argue against science being done properly in the first place either. His point is that when science results is used as the input to policy, we are often dealing with situations where, as he puts it, “we confront hard policy issues for which the scientific inputs are frequently irremediably soft.”
he goes on to say:
“We argue that the quality-assurance of scientific inputs into policy processes requires an ‘extended peer community’, including all the stakeholders in an issue. This new peer community can also deploy ‘extended facts’, including local and personal experience, as well as investigative journalism and leaked sources. So Post-Normal Science is inevitably political, and involves a new extension of legitimacy and power”.
I think what he is getting at, is that this is the way things are, and we need to extend the checks and balances to deal with the way the outputs of science are abused.
Post-Normal Science isn’t a prescription for the way Ravetz thinks science should be done, it’s a description of what is done with the outputs of normal science (good or bad), and how we should handle those situations where it’s results are used in policy formation.
The issue here is that politicians and lobbyists present scientific results as if they were the definitive last word, even when their inputs are “irremediably soft”. Ravetz is calling for the right of those from beyond the disciplines and specialisms to bring their ‘extended facts’ and leaked documents to the policy making table and be heard. It seems to me that this much at least is a positive step.
Given that the policy making table these days is often swayed by the media and the court of manufactured public opinion, it’s a battle we in the sceptical part of the blogsphere have little choice but to engage in, no matter how distasteful this is to the honest practitioners of normal science. Keep on supplying us with good normal science and analysis, and let your friends in the blogsphere get on with helping to make it as widely heard as possible via ‘post normal’ methods if need be. If influential thinkers like Jerry Ravetz champion our right to be heard, so much the better. Better on our side than theirs.

stephen richards
February 10, 2010 1:11 am

This is an etheriel, philosophical discussion and as such is perceptive and yet imprecise. It is not a news report about the corrupted science behind the IPCC and the policy of governments wolrwide or the corrupted scientists behind the money men. Philosophical pieces such as this are the beginning of a more ‘robust’ discussion which, if it occurs, can lead to a ‘tipping point’ in the application and dissemination of all science.
Still, its an interesting piece

Pete
February 10, 2010 1:17 am

Onion (23:30:28) : “Some of the love on this thread for this essay is bewildering”.
Exactly the point of my first post but you put it more succinctly than me.
I had to go away and investigate the PMS.
It would seem many took the article at face value without research (as I initially did).
davidmhoffer took issue with me over my not understanding /misinterpreting the content but it was ScientistForTruth (16:33:26) : (thanks for the link once again) who deserves my H/T.
I am sorry Tallboy and Anthony, but as interesting as this post has been. I get the feeling this article is below what I have come to expect on this site. Just my opinion but this article still makes me uneasy, even after 3 reads. We do not need PHS.
REAL science has served us well for many years. I would counter the Professor that his PHS has allowed the likes of Hulme etc to prosper and wiser people than me have explained that a long time ago!

John Whitman
February 10, 2010 1:18 am

Pat Frank (22:56:08) : in response to comment by “John Whitman (17:59:20)wrote, ””””Science and philosophy are categorically distinct, because science is not axiomatic. ””””
Pat, do you think science is categorically distinct from epistemology (fundamentals of nature of knowlegde, how do you know reality?) and distinct from metaphysics (fundamentally what is reality?), really?
John

wayne job
February 10, 2010 1:18 am

Viva the last bastion of free thought and exchange of ideas. The internet, defend it at all costs. It is the only hope in a sea of disgrace. WAYNE

stephen richards
February 10, 2010 1:19 am

Willis
Many years ago when I was a research scientist I read a paper about jargon and its uses. Prof Javetz lives in a world whose existence depends wholly on jargon. Philosophy by its very nature is bullshit wrapped in jargon but if you unwrap the package and rumage through the bullshit you will invariably find a nugget or two of useful thinking.

Alan Wilkinson
February 10, 2010 1:23 am

A fascinating debate and many thanks to all the contributors. I award Willis the best summing up, though he had the advantage of much excellent input.
Although Ravetz is wrong, at least his exposition exposes the major issues to debate.
My view:
Publicly funded science must come out from behind the pay-walls, pal-review walls and personal and institutional fiefdoms.
The MSM is dead as a leading intelligent contributor to knowledge and analysis. Generalist journalists cannot compete with specialist bloggers except as entertainers.
Science generally will wear the impact of public disillusionment with AGW. The learned societies that fell over themselves to join “The Consensus” have ensured that outcome.

Claurila
February 10, 2010 1:24 am

Here is an analysis grounded in reality to clear away the displeasure left by Mr Kavetz’ relativistic meanderings above:
Let’s pick apart this politics of doom
Ben Pile, Spiked Online, 9 February 2010
‘Climategate’ confirms what many of us already knew: that claims of future catastrophe are political, not scientific.
A sixth of the world’s population – the billion or so people who live downstream of Himalayan glaciers and depend on them for water – must surely be relieved. Just a few months ago, ‘consensus science’ held that these vast tracts of ice would be gone in just a few decades. The implications were stark. Water wars and climate refugees would spread out from the region, consuming society in Gaia’s revenge. If the direct effects of climate change didn’t kill you, the social chaos they unleashed would.
Now that the death of the Himalayan glaciers has been deferred by some three centuries, we can take a sober look at the situation facing people living in the region. The truth is that they have more years ahead of them to find alternatives to relying on Himalayan meltwater than have passed since the Industrial Revolution began to transform our own landscape. That should be plenty of time.
For the furore around ‘Glaciergate’, we didn’t actually need to know that Himalayan glacial retreat was exaggerated to know that the disaster story it seemingly produced was pseudo-scientific bunk. The plots of such disaster stories are written well before any evidence of looming doom emerges from ‘science’. What really underpins the climate change panic is the way in which politicians have justified their own impotence by appealing to catastophe.
This helps to explain the reaction of the political establishment to the various scandals that have beset the IPCC and leading climate scientists in recent weeks. In response to the allegations levelled at individuals and institutions in the climate establishment, the UK climate change secretary, Ed Miliband, has declared war on climate sceptics on both Channel 4 News and in the Observer. But the ironic consequence of Miliband’s intervention has been to acknowledge that disagreement exists. Miliband now recognises an enemy that only a few months ago consisted of a tiny number of ‘flat-earthers’, according to his boss, Gordon Brown. Given that sceptics are not usually engaged, just ignored, a declaration of war is a sure sign that he is on the defensive.
Ed Miliband on Channel 4 News
Miliband says,
‘I think the science and the precautionary principle, which says that there’s at the very least a huge risk if we don’t act, mean that we should be acting’.
This use of the precautionary principle puts the position of climate alarmists back by a decade. The argument for action on climate change once depended on just the possibility that changes in climate could cause devastating problems for humans. Scientists had not yet produced a consensus. The political stalemate seemingly ended after the infamous ‘Hockey Stick’ graph was published in the IPCC’s Third Assessment Report (TAR) in 2001. It was held to be, at last, the conclusive evidence that man indeed had altered the climate. Here was the fingerprint on the ‘smoking gun’ that pointed towards our imminent demise.
By retreating to the precautionary principle rather than simply defending the notion of scientific consensus, Miliband concedes a lot. The scientific consensus around climate change has stood as a powerful source of political authority in lieu of democratic legitimacy. In the light of events and arguments which undermine this authority, Miliband is fighting for his government’s credibility, not to save the planet.
He protests that, in spite of the new climate scandals, the ‘overwhelming majority’ of scientists nonetheless still hold with the idea that mankind has altered the climate. The recent revelations are just dents, caused by procedural oversight, in an otherwise robust case, he seems to say. But actually, this does not really get to the heart of the discussion about climate. A scientific consensus about the climate’s sensitivity to greenhouse gas emissions is not equivalent to a scientific consensus about human society’s sensitivity to climate. There is a huge difference between these two ideas, yet Miliband’s argument rests on the idea that they are equivalent [it is the core of the sleight-of-hand] . And it is on this point that sceptics have not yet made much progress. While banging away at the science of climate change, they have failed to tackle the wider argument about our capacity to deal with the unexpected. What sceptics need to explain is how climate and society have become so confused. [that was a classic diversionary strategy]
This confusion has other ramifications, for example in the familiar claim that Miliband makes, that ‘climate change will be worse for the poor’. This in turn depends on the reinvention of ‘social justice’ as ‘environmental justice’, as if inequality is a natural phenomenon as inevitable as wind or rain.
But poverty is not a natural phenomenon [it is, like warmism, a consequence of socialism] . It is a tragic conceit to believe that by not driving our cars we will somehow make life better for those who cannot even dream of owning a car – much less having a road to drive it on. The problem is that people are poor, not that their climate is slightly different. We can see this fact demonstrated in the horrific scale of devastation in Haiti. An event of similar magnitude in a more economically developed country would not have claimed so many lives. It is not enough to say that carbon emissions cost lives, or anything like it, because the principal factors that determine the outcome of natural phenomena relate to an area’s level of development. [quite. And future generations might be richer if socialism doesn’t prevent hem]]
However, as Miliband’s words reveal, world leaders have given up on the idea of development as the means through which people can enjoy better protected and more rewarding lives. This can only have the consequence of producing and sustaining poverty, making greater numbers of people vulnerable to nature’s indifferent whims. The way in which the political class has surrendered to climate panic is a comprehensive admission of our leaders’ own impotence. Only if we take their inability to produce domestic or international development for granted can we conceive of changes in weather patterns as inevitably catastrophic.
For example, over the next three centuries, the people living beneath Himalayan glaciers might construct dams to collect the rain or snow that falls there, but which does not remain as ice. It is not inconceivable that Asians might also provide a greater proportion of their water needs through desalination plants. The world has been reorganised around the tenets of environmentalism precisely because the notion of using development to provide protection from natural disaster is now deemed to be impossible.
World leaders have projected their catastrophic sense of impotence on to the world. Just to make sure that politics cannot intervene, they have brought forward the date of the ecopalypse, to render any alternative and any debate impossible. It can’t happen soon enough for them. A failure of imagination has been passed off as the conclusion of ‘climate science’ and as the opinion of ‘the overwhelming majority of scientists’, but as we can see, the premise of impotence and catastrophe is a presupposition that is political in its character and not a conclusion produced by science.
In turn, if the notion of catastrophic climate change is reduced to a mere article of (bad) faith, the institutions of climate politics – all of which have been constructed on the premise of catastrophe/impotence – cease to have a legitimate basis. The IPCC, the Stern Review, the Kyoto treaty, Copenhagen, the Climate Change Committee and the legislation and reorganisation of public life that have followed in their wake have not been created to save the planet from climate catastrophe, but to save politicians from the collapse of their own authority. That is what Miliband’s war is about.
The scandal is not really in the fraud, exaggeration, or deceit – if that is what they were – committed by particular researchers, or the failure of the IPCC process to identify that certain claims were false. The scandal is that politicians seek moral authority in crisis. It was not ‘science’ that produced stories of imminent catastrophe; it was the bleak doom-laden politics of this era. Scientists merely extrapolated from this scenario, into the future, taking the logic of the political premises to their conclusion [with fat cheques for their services]. The politics exists prior to the science. In reply, sceptics, with a more positive vision, ought to demonstrate the gap that exists between the science and the story, and how it might end differently if we start from more positive ground.
If Miliband wants a war, he can have one. But the battle lines should recognise that the politics of catastrophe is prior to the science of catastophe, and that another outlook that emphasises our ability to control events is possible. Environmental problems will always occur, but it is how they are understood that counts. We cannot understand ‘what science says’ until we understand what it has been told, and what it has really been asked. Science has been put to use to turn the billion people living beneath Himalayan glaciers into political capital by the IPCC to prop up the likes of Ed Miliband. It is only now that he has been deprived of the authority that those billion lives – or deaths – gave him, that he wants a war.
Today’s politicians need catastrophes because they have no other way of creating authority for themselves. But the catastrophe is in politics, not in the atmosphere.
Ben Pile is an editor of the Climate-Resistance blog, and a philosophy and politics student at York University.

Roy
February 10, 2010 1:35 am

I just read Willis Eschenbach’s response above. If anyone reading this hasn’t already seen it, go there at once. It’s complete and concise and neatly skewers Ravetz’ beguiling tosh.

Philip
February 10, 2010 1:37 am

Professor Ravetz’s comment about Mauna Loa reminded me of a number of questions I had about our understanding of C02. I’ve struggled to answer these for myself and I wonder whether any of the contributors to WUWT can help.
[1] Is recent C02 rise part of a trend due to human emissions or is it simply the upturn of a natural cycle?
[2] What range can we predict for C02 levels over the next century?
[3] I understand that the logarithm law for forcing due to C02 is expected to fail above 1000 ppm. Do we know how it works above this level?
[4] Sensitivity estimates I’ve seen from Shaviv, Knox/Christie and Schwartz are in the region of 1 C for a doubling of C02. Does this accurately reflect the influence at the surface, or is it less than this due to (for example) convection/evaporation?
I can see that uncertainty is part of the problem, so if the answer is “no one knows”, that’s fine as well :-). Thanks in advance, and keep up the good work.

February 10, 2010 1:48 am

Chris Field is one of the Stanford University Global-Warming-Alarm! team headed by Stephen Schneider, a lead IPCC author who says:
http://www.solopassion.com/node/5841
“On the one hand, as scientists we are ethically bound to the
scientific method, in effect promising to tell the truth, the whole
truth, and nothing but – which means that we must include all the
doubts, the caveats, the ifs, ands, and buts. On the other hand, we
are not just scientists but human beings as well. And like most people
we’d like to see the world a better place, which in this context
translates into our working to reduce the risk of potentially
disastrous climatic change. To do that we need to get some broadbased support, to capture the public’s imagination. That, of course, entails getting
loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make
simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts
we might have. This ‘double ethical bind’ we frequently find ourselves
in cannot be solved by any formula. Each of us has to decide what the
right balance is between being effective and being honest. I hope that
means being both.”
We are in danger of accepting that black is white and up is down. Climatologists need to provide evidence of their case and not to believe that the strength of their cause is superior to the need to prove their science.
Tonyb

Stephen Wilde
February 10, 2010 1:56 am

Willis has crystallised the feelings I had when I posted my initial response above:
“Stephen Wilde (15:33:40) :
Normal science = generally good science.
Post normal science = generally bad science.
Keep it simple, stupid.”
Ravetz is a primary culprit having facilitated and contributed to what has happened by creating a narrowly intellectual and wholly disreputable concept of post normal science which deliberately sought to weaken scientific rigour so that science could be neutered and used as a tool of authoritarian social policy.
His above article seems to accept that it has all gone wrong in connection with climate change but it is well established in politics and the media. He does not see that his concept of post normal science was and is the problem.
Like many others of his mindset he just thinks that post normal science was not implemented ‘properly’ by which he means that mistakes were made in ‘presentation’.
He fails to see that the entire concept was flawed and deeply dangerous from the very beginning.
Indeed post normal science is just a another phrase meaning non science and is fatally flawed except for it’s real purposes of social manipulation and social engineering.

tallbloke
February 10, 2010 1:59 am

Alan Wilkinson (01:23:32) :
Although Ravetz is wrong, at least his exposition exposes the major issues to debate.

Something philosophers like to be good at is getting a good debate going, rather than bashing people over the head with a one sided or limited POV.
Some see that as relativistic tosh (Thanks Roy!), others see the value in widening the scope of the discussion.

February 10, 2010 2:01 am

“Climategate is particularly significant because it cannot be blamed on the well-known malign influences from outside science, be they greedy corporations or an unscrupulous State.”
Except it can. It can be blamed on an unscrupulous state, and the employees that work for it.

HotRod
February 10, 2010 2:04 am

I agree with Stephen Richards – Willis’s criticisms are valid, but I found several nuggets in the piece that were perceptive and useful. He recognises the faults of the process quite well – that he wraps that analysis in jargon and his own self-serving framework is just the way he does it.
“Detailed technical work is a task for experts, but quality-control on even that work can be done by those with much broader expertise.” – retired mining analyst takes on paleoclimate experts.
The ‘how did this happen’ aspect of the AGW/CRU/IPCC/denier/”thescienceisin” bandwagon has continued to puzzle me. You can say, simplistically, follow the money. You can say environmentalism in a secular society replaces religion to satisfy peoples’ needs for a moral compass. You can blame big business, Goldman Sachs and carbon trading. You can blame desire for fame and career. None of these satisfy me, and I enjoyed, and was interested in, Ravetz’s piece, however unnecessarily orotund!
Willis – what is your answer to how/why decent men like Jones/Wigley et al fell from grace, and became in your terms non-scientists, uncertainty deniers?

8th Howler Monkey
February 10, 2010 2:06 am

Mark N (19:10:16) :
Thank you, an interesting read. I wonder if “climate science” is just a product of our time and will eventually be left to the side like so many others in the long history of scientific work.
I often wonder if the bigger picture might be the benefit of a warming climate and increasing CO2 to life.
>>>
Second that motion…

Tenuc
February 10, 2010 2:14 am

I found this an interesting, if not a little wordy, post. While some parts are good, I feel that more could have been made of the politicisation of science and the constant pressure for individuals working on projects to deliver the answers their paymasters want to hear.
The other puzzle I found hard to understand from the context of the piece was that the author seems to be caught in the ‘fear’ trap too. He is an obviously believer in CO2 caused CAGW…
“Are we really experiencing Anthropogenic Carbon-based Global Warming? If the public loses faith in that claim, then the situation of science in our society will be altered for the worse.”
…But the logic of what he says breaks down.
His belief system looks to be that bad science, as promulgated by CRU/GISS/NASA/IPCC, gives a correct result, when the facts show that the hypothesis of CAGW is fatally flawed.
Double think is the new post-normal philosophy perhaps? It certainly isn’t analytical reasoning.

mercurior
February 10, 2010 2:17 am

As i read the replies to the article, i get a funny feeling in the pit of my stomach.
If it was made as talking point to get us all discussing it, then its great. BUT, if it is a article to promote that while theres no evidence, no empirical data, no proof, that means we should keep doing things that are Bad for society because it would make other scientists tarred with the same brush.
But this negates the Science. Science should question, Post normal science, doesnt question, it feels, all this climate science rubbish appeals to the emotions of people, rather than the intelligence. And thats all this article does it appeals to the emotions, rather than the Truth, the empirical evidence.
As other commentors have said go back to the original science, where people could question, without being labelled denialists. Science should be about Questions. Why? this Why? that.. Philosophy, is more about emotions not empricial facts, philosophy never provides answers just ways of viewing.
I worry that, Post normal science is what we have now, with the advocacy of power groups, rich groups, looking to expand their holdings, and damn the expense of everything else.
At first the article appeals to the emotions, but as you read it, there are questions that need to be answered, Why is proper science discounted (empirical facts)? Because its not post normal?
As a discussion point, its worked, but if its been created for any other reason, then thats the time to worry. (my last post was written when i just woke up and had no coffee LOL).

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