Climategate: Plausibility and the blogosphere in the post-normal age.

I’m honored to offer this guest post by Jerome Ravetz, of Oxford University in the UK. Mr. Ravetz is an environmental consultant and professor of philosophy of science best known for his books challenging the assumptions of scientific objectivity, discussing the science wars and post-normal science. Read more about him at his personal web page here, his Oxford page here, or at his blog the Post-normal Times. Also, my thanks to WUWT regular “tallbloke” for his facilitation. – Anthony

Guest post by Jerome Ravetz

At the end of January 2010 two distinguished scientific institutions shared headlines with Tony Blair over accusations of the dishonest and possibly illegal manipulation of information.  Our ‘Himalayan glaciers melting by 2035’  of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is matched by his ‘dodgy dossier’ of Saddam’s fictitious subversions.  We had the violations of the Freedom of Information Act at the University of East Anglia; he has the extraordinary 70-year gag rule on the David Kelly suicide file. There was ‘the debate is over’ on one side, and ‘WMD beyond doubt’ on the other. The parallels are significant and troubling, for on both sides they involve a betrayal of public trust.

Politics will doubtless survive, for it is not a fiduciary institution; but for science the dangers are real.  Climategate is particularly significant because it cannot be blamed on the well-known malign influences from outside science, be they greedy corporations or an unscrupulous State.  This scandal, and the resulting crisis, was created by people within science who can be presumed to have been acting with the best of intentions.  In the event of a serious discrediting of the global-warming claims, public outrage would therefore be directed at the community of science itself, and (from within that community) at its leaders who were either ignorant or complicit until the scandal was blown open.  If we are to understand Climategate, and move towards a restoration of trust, we should consider the structural features of the situation that fostered and nurtured the damaging practices.  I believe that the ideas of Post-Normal Science (as developed by Silvio Funtowicz and myself) can help our understanding.

There are deep problems of the management of uncertainty in science in the policy domain, that will not be resolved by more elaborate quantification.  In the gap between science and policy, the languages, their conventions and their implications are effectively incommensurable.  It takes determination and skill for a scientist who is committed to social responsibility, to avoid becoming a ‘stealth advocate’ (in the terms of Roger Pielke Jr.).  When the policy domain seems unwilling or unable to recognise plain and urgent truths about a problem, the contradictions between scientific probity and campaigning zeal become acute.  It is a perennial problem for all policy-relevant science, and it seems to have happened on a significant scale in the case of climate science.  The management of uncertainty and quality in such increasingly common situations is now an urgent task for the governance of science.

We can begin to see what went seriously wrong when we examine what the leading practitioners of this ‘evangelical science’ of global warming (thanks to Angela Wilkinson) took to be the plain and urgent truth in their case.  This was not merely that there are signs of exceptional disturbance in the ecosphere due to human influence, nor even that the climate might well be changing more rapidly now than for a very long time.  Rather, they propounded, as a proven fact, Anthropogenic Carbon-based Global Warming.  There is little room for uncertainty in this thesis; it effectively needs hockey-stick behaviour in all indicators of global temperature, so that it is all due to industrialisation.  Its iconic image is the steadily rising graph of CO2 concentrations over the past fifty years at the Mauna Loa volcano in Hawaii (with the implicit assumption that CO2  had always previously been at or below that starting level).  Since CO2 has long been known to be a greenhouse gas, with scientific theories quantifying its effects, the scientific case for this dangerous trend could seem to be overwhelmingly simple, direct, and conclusive.

In retrospect, we can ask why this particular, really rather extreme view of the prospect, became the official one.  It seems that several causes conspired.  First, the early opposition to any claim of climate change was only partly scientific; the tactics of the opposing special interests were such as to induce the proponents to adopt a simple, forcefully argued position.  Then, once the position was adopted, its proponents became invested in it, and attached to it, in all sorts of ways, institutional and personal.  And I suspect that a simplified, even simplistic claim, was more comfortable for these scientists than one where complexity and uncertainty were acknowledged.  It is not merely a case of the politicians and public needing a simple, unequivocal message.  As Thomas Kuhn described ‘normal science’, which (as he said) nearly all scientists do all the time, it is puzzle-solving within an unquestioned framework or ‘paradigm’.  Issues of uncertainty and quality are not prominent in ‘normal’ scientific training, and so they are less easily conceived and managed by its practitioners.

Now, as Kuhn saw, this ‘normal’ science has been enormously successful in enabling our unprecedented understanding and control of the world around us.  But his analysis related to the sciences of the laboratory, and by extension the technologies that could reproduce stable and controllable external conditions for their working.  Where the systems under study are complicated, complex or poorly understood, that ‘textbook’ style of investigation becomes less, sometimes much less, effective.  The near-meltdown of the world’s financial system can be blamed partly on naïvely reductionist economics and misapplied simplistic statistics.  The temptation among ‘normal’ scientists is to work as if their material is as simple as in the lab.  If nothing else, that is the path to a steady stream of publications, on which a scientific career now so critically depends.  The most obvious effect of this style is the proliferation of computer simulations, which give the appearance of solved puzzles even when neither data nor theory provide much support for the precision of their numerical outputs.  Under such circumstances, a refined appreciation of uncertainty in results is inhibited, and even awareness of quality of workmanship can be atrophied.

In the course of the development of climate-change science, all sorts of loose ends were left unresolved and sometimes unattended.  Even the most fundamental quantitative parameter of all, the forcing factor relating the increase in mean temperature to a doubling of CO2, lies somewhere between 1 and 3 degrees, and is thus uncertain to within a factor of 3.  The precision (at about 2%) in the statements of the ‘safe limits’ of CO2 concentration, depending on calculations with this factor, is not easily justified.  Also, the predictive power of the global temperature models has been shown to depend more on the ‘story line’ than anything else, the end-of century increase in temperature ranging variously from a modest one degree to a catastrophic six.  And the ‘hockey stick’ picture of the past, so crucial for the strict version of the climate change story, has run into increasingly severe problems.  As an example, it relied totally on a small set of deeply uncertain tree-ring data for the Medieval period, to refute the historical evidence of a warming then; but it needed to discard that sort of data for recent decades, as they showed a sudden cooling from the 1960’s onwards!  In the publication, the recent data from other sources were skilfully blended in so that the change was not obvious; that was the notorious ‘Nature trick’ of the CRU e-mails.

Even worse, for the warming case to have political effect, a mere global average rise in temperature was not compelling enough.  So that people could appreciate the dangers, there needed to be predictions of future climate – or even weather – in the various regions of the world.  Given the gross uncertainties in even the aggregated models, regional forecasts are really beyond the limits of science.  And yet they have been provided, with various degrees of precision.  Those announced by the IPCC have become the most explosive.

As all these anomalies and unsolved puzzles emerged, the neat, compelling picture became troubled and even confused.  In Kuhn’s analysis, this would be the start of a ‘pre-revolutionary’ phase of normal science.  But the political cause had been taken up by powerful advocates, like Al Gore.  We found ourselves in another crusading ‘War’, like those on (non-alcoholic) Drugs and ‘Terror’.  This new War, on Carbon, was equally simplistic, and equally prone to corruption and failure.  Global warming science became the core element of this major worldwide campaign to save the planet.  Any weakening of the scientific case would have amounted to a betrayal of the good cause, as well as a disruption of the growing research effort.  All critics, even those who were full members of the scientific peer community, had to be derided and dismissed.  As we learned from the CRU e-mails, they were not considered to be entitled to the normal courtesies of scientific sharing and debate.  Requests for information were stalled, and as one witty blogger has put it, ‘peer review’ was replaced by ‘pal review’.

Even now, the catalogue of unscientific practices revealed in the mainstream media is very small in comparison to what is available on the blogosphere.  Details of shoddy science and dirty tricks abound.  By the end, the committed inner core were confessing to each other that global temperatures were falling, but it was far too late to change course.  The final stage of corruption, cover-up, had taken hold.  For the core scientists and the leaders of the scientific communities, as well as for nearly all the liberal media, ‘the debate was over’.  Denying Climate Change received the same stigma as denying the Holocaust.  Even the trenchant criticisms of the most egregious errors in the IPCC reports were kept ‘confidential’.  And then came the e-mails.

We can understand the root cause of Climategate as a case of scientists constrained to attempt to do normal science in a post-normal situation. But climate change had never been a really ‘normal’ science, because the policy implications were always present and strong, even overwhelming.  Indeed, if we look at the definition of ‘post-normal science’, we see how well it fits:  facts uncertain,values in dispute, stakes high, and decisions urgent.  In needing to treat Planet Earth like a textbook exercise, the climate scientists were forced to break the rules of scientific etiquette and ethics, and to play scientific power-politics in a way that inevitably became corrupt.  The combination of non-critical ‘normal science’ with anti-critical ‘evangelical science’ was lethal. As in other ‘gate’ scandals, one incident served to pull a thread on a tissue of protective plausibilities and concealments, and eventually led to an unravelling.  What was in the e-mails could be largely explained in terms of embattled scientists fighting off malicious interference; but the materials ready and waiting on the blogosphere provided a background, and that is what converted a very minor scandal to a catastrophe.

Consideration of those protective plausibilities can help to explain how the illusions could persist for so long until their sudden collapse.  The scientists were all reputable, they published in leading peer-reviewed journals, and their case was itself highly plausible and worthy in a general way.  Individual criticisms were, for the public and perhaps even for the broader scientific community, kept isolated and hence muffled and lacking in systematic significance.  And who could have imagined that at its core so much of the science was unsound?  The plausibility of the whole exercise was, as it were, bootstrapped.  I myself was alerted to weaknesses in the case by some caveats in Sir David King’s book The Hot Topic; and I had heard of the hockey-stick affair.  But even I was carried along by the bootstrapped plausibility, until the scandal broke. (I have benefited from the joint project on plausibility in science of colleagues in Oxford and at the Arizona State University).

Part of the historic significance of Climategate is that the scandal was so effectively and quickly exposed.  Within a mere two months of the first reports in the mainstream media, the key East Anglia scientists and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change were discredited.  Even if only a fraction of their scientific claims were eventually refuted, their credibility as trustworthy scientists was lost.  To explain how it all happened so quickly and decisively, we have the confluence of two developments, one social and the other technical.  For the former, there is a lesson of Post-Normal Science, that we call the Extended Peer Community.  In traditional ‘normal’ science, the peer community, performing the functions of quality-assurance and governance, is strictly confined to the researchers who share the paradigm.  In the case of ‘professional consultancy’, the clients and/or sponsors also participate in governance.  We have argued that in the case of Post-Normal Science, the ‘extended peer community’, including all affected by the policy being implemented, must be fully involved.  Its particular contribution will depend on the nature of the core scientific problem, and also on the phase of investigation.  Detailed technical work is a task for experts, but quality-control on even that work can be done by those with much broader expertise.  And on issues like the definition of the problem itself, the selection of personnel, and crucially the ownership of the results, the extended peer community has full rights of participation.  This principle is effectively acknowledged in many jurisdictions, and for many policy-related problems.  The theory of Post-Normal Science goes beyond the official consensus in recognising ‘extended facts’, that might be local knowledge and values, as well as unoffficially obtained information.

The task of creating and involving the extended peer community (generally known as ‘participation’) has been recognised as difficult, with its own contradictions and pitfalls.  It has grown haphazardly, with isolated successes and failures.  Hitherto, critics of scientific matters have been relegated to a sort of samizdat world, exchanging private letters or writing books that can easily be ignored (as not being peer-reviewed) by the ruling establishment.  This has generally been the fate of even the most distinguished and responsible climate-change critics, up to now.  A well-known expert in uncertainty management, Jeroen van der Sluijs, explicitly condemned the ‘overselling of certainty’ and predicted the impending destruction of trust; but he received no more attention than did Nikolas Taleb in warning of the ‘fat tails’ in the probability distributions of securities that led to the Credit Crunch. A prominent climate scientist, Mike Hulme, provided a profound analysis in Why We Disagree About Climate Change, in terms of complexity and uncertainty.  But since legitimate disagreement was deemed nonexistent, he too was ignored.

To have a political effect, the ‘extended peers’ of science have traditionally needed to operate largely by means of activist pressure-groups using the media to create public alarm. In this case, since the global warmers had captured the moral high ground, criticism has remained scattered and ineffective, except on the blogosphere.  The position of Green activists is especially difficult, even tragic; they have been ‘extended peers’ who were co-opted into the ruling paradigm, which in retrospect can be seen as a decoy or diversion from the real, complex issues of sustainability, as shown by Mike Hulme.  Now they must do some very serious re-thinking about their position and their role.

The importance of the new media of communications in mass politics, as in the various ‘rainbow revolutions’ is well attested.  To understand how the power-politics of science have changed in the case of Climategate, we can take a story from the book Here Comes Everybody by Clay Shirkey.  There were two incidents in the Boston U.S.A. diocese of the Roman Catholic Church, involving the shuffling of paeodophile priests around parishes.  The first time, there was a criminal prosecution, with full exposure in the press, and then nothing happened.  The second time, the outraged parents got on their cell phones and organised; and eventually Cardinal Archbishop Bernard Francis Law (who had started as a courageous cleric in the ‘60’s) had to leave for Rome in disgrace.  The Climategate affair shows the  importance of the new IT for science, as an empowerment of the extended peer community.

The well-known principle, ‘knowledge is power’ has its obverse, ‘ignorance is impotence’.  And ignorance is maintained, or eventually overcome, by a variety of socio-technical means.  With the invention of cheap printing on paper, the Bible could be widely read, and heretics became Reformers. The social activity of science as we know it expanded and grew through the age of printing.  But knowledge was never entirely free, and the power-politics of scientific legitimacy remained quite stable for centuries.  The practice of science has generally been restricted to a social elite and its occasional recruits, as it requires a prior academic education and a sufficiency of leisure and of material resources.  With the new information technology, all that is changing rapidly.  As we see from the ‘open source’ movement, many people play an active role in enjoyable technological development in the spare time that their job allows or even encourages.  Moreover, all over IT there are blogs that exercise quality control on the industry’s productions.  In this new knowledge industry, the workers can be as competent as the technicians and bosses.  The new technologies of information enable the diffusion of scientific competence and the sharing of unofficial information, and hence give power to peer communities that are extended far beyond the Ph.D.s in the relevant subject-specialty.  The most trenchant and effective critics of the ‘hockey stick’ statistics were a University-employed economist and a computer expert.

Like any other technology, IT is many-faceted.  It is easily misused and abused, and much of the content of the blogosphere is trivial or worse.  The right-wing political agendas of some climate sceptics, their bloggers and their backers, are quite well known.  But to use their background or motivation as an excuse for ignoring their arguments, is a betrayal of science.  The  blogosphere interacts with other media of communication, in the public and scientific domains.  Some parts are quite mainstream, others not.  The Climategate blogosphere is as varied in quality as any other.  Some leading scholars, like Roger Pielke, Jr. have had personal blogs for a long time.  Some blogs are carefully monitored, have a large readership and are sampled by the mainstream media (such as the one on which this is posted, Wattsupwiththat.com).  Others are less rigorous; but the same variation in quality can be found in the nominally peer-reviewed scientific literature.  Keeping up with the blogosphere requires different skills from keeping up with traditional literature; it is most useful to find a summarising blog that fits one’s special interests, as well as a loyal correspondent, as (in my case) Roger ‘tallbloke’ Tattersall.

Some mainstream publications are now saying nice things about the blogosphere.  Had such sentiments been expressed a while ago, the critical voices might have had a public hearing and the Climategate scandal might have been exposed before it became entrenched so disastrously.  And now the critical blogosphere does not need to be patronised.  Like any extension of political power, whether it be the right to believe, to protest, to vote, to form trades unions, or to be educated, it can lead to instabilities and abuses.  But now the extended peer community has a technological base, and the power-politics of science will be different.  I cannot predict how it will work out, but we can be confident that corruptions built on bootstrapped plausibility will be less likely in the future.

There is an important philosophical dimension to Climategate, a question of the relation of personal scientific ethics to objective scientific facts.  The problem is created by the traditional image of science (as transmitted in scientific education) as ‘value-free’.  The personal commitments to integrity, that are necessary for the maintenance of scientific quality, receive no mention in the dominant philosophy of science. Kuhn’s disenchanted picture of science was so troubling to the idealists (as Popper) because in his ‘normal’ science criticism had hardly any role.  For Kuhn, even the Mertonian principles of ethical behaviour were effectively dismissed as irrelevant.  Was this situation truly ‘normal’ – meaning either average or (worse) appropriate?  The examples of shoddy science exposed by the Climategate convey a troubling impression.  From the record, it appears that in this case, criticism and a sense of probity needed to be injected into the system by the extended peer community from the (mainly) external blogosphere.

The total assurance of the mainstream scientists in their own correctness and in the intellectual and moral defects of their critics, is now in retrospect perceived as arrogance.  For their spokespersons to continue to make light of the damage to the scientific case, and to ignore the ethical dimension of Climategate, is to risk public outrage at a perceived unreformed arrogance. If there is a continuing stream of ever more detailed revelations, originating in the blogosphere but now being brought to a broader public, then the credibility of the established scientific authorities will continue to erode.  Do we face the prospect of the IPCC reports being totally dismissed as just more dodgy dossiers, and of hitherto trusted scientists being accused of negligence or worse?  There will be those who with their own motives will be promoting such a picture.  How can it be refuted?

And what about the issue itself?  Are we really experiencing Anthropogenic Carbon-based Global Warming?  If the public loses faith in that claim, then the situation of science in our society will be altered for the worse. There is very unlikely to be a crucial experience that either confirms or refutes the claim; the post-normal situation is just too complex. The consensus is likely to depend on how much trust can still be put in science.  The whole vast edifice of policy commitments for Carbon reduction, with their many policy prescriptions and quite totalitarian moral exhortations, will be at risk of public rejection.  What sort of chaos would then result?  The consequences for science in our civilisation would be extraordinary.

To the extent that the improved management of uncertainty and ignorance can remedy the situation, some useful tools are at hand.  In the Netherlands, scholars and scientists have developed ‘Knowledge Quality Assessment’ methodologies for characterising uncertainty in ways that convey the richness of the phenomenon while still performing well as robust tools of analysis and communication.  Elsewhere, scholars are exploring methods for managing disagreement among scientists, so that such post-normal issues do not need to become so disastrously polarised.  A distinguished scholar, Sheila Jasanoff, has called for a culture of humility among scientists, itself a radical move towards a vision of a non-violent science.  Scientists who have been forced to work on the blogosphere have had the invaluable experience of exclusion and oppression; that could make it easier for them to accept that something is seriously wrong and then to engage in the challenging moral adventures of dealing with uncertainty and ignorance.  The new technologies of communications are revolutionising knowledge and power in many areas.  The extended peer community of science on the blogosphere will be playing its part in that process.  Let dialogue commence!

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My thanks to numerous friends and colleagues for their loyal assistance through all the drafts of this essay.  The final review at a seminar at the Institute of Science, Innovation and Society at Oxford University was very valuable, particularly the intervention from ‘the man in the bus queue’.

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Roger Knights
February 10, 2010 4:29 am

PS: That is to say, wait for an evening when a spoon-bender or cold-fusionist gets caught in town after dark if you want to see the science community and MSM at its valiant best.

February 10, 2010 4:32 am

Could the above thorough critique by Willis Eschenbach please be moved upwards and juxtaposed directly with Ravetz’ essay? It is a necessary addition for those unfamiliar with (apparently) current philosophical ideas, to avoid misunderstanding what Ravetz says – one might say, it translates Ravetz Newspeak into plain English. Bravo Willis!!

February 10, 2010 4:46 am

Dr. Ravetz, you’ve made my day–maybe my week. I’ll be thinking through your essay (and the “extended peer review” you’re getting in this comment thread!) for weeks.
I’m trying to think of OTHER examples of post-normal science. Here’s what I have so far:
(1) The AIDS crisis.
(2) Breast cancer research.
(3) Stem cell research.
I don’t know if they really fit the paradigm–but each of these examples involve urgent demands for political change and/or massive increases in tax-funded research. Is this “post-normal science” or just the “politicization of science”?

Warren Bonesteel
February 10, 2010 4:50 am

While there are some serious problems with the way various governments handled the WMD claims, Iraq did, in fact, have WMD’s. They didn’t have warehouses full of them all over Iraq (which was the ‘method’ the MSM used to disprove such claims: ‘Iraq doesn’t have warehouses full of bio-chemical weapons, ergo, they don’t have them.’ When, in fact, a small lab is all that is required to produce enough chemicals to kill or main millions of people.) …and certain types of bio-chemical weaponry require little in the way of a ‘logistics train’ of supporting facilities. A few quarts of some substances is quite enough to kill or main rather large numbers of people. Additionally, the US ‘blitzkrieg’ attack gave Iraq little or no opportunity to use them against US troops.
As when people once believed that Islam was a religion of peace that had been hijacked by militants, and also believed that the science behind AGW ‘was settled,’ they still believe that there were no WMD’s in Iraq. As with AGW, the facts about WMD’s in Iraq tell quite a different story than is accepted by the MSM or other mainstream pundits and authorities.
If the mainstream narratives about more than one issue have been proven to be false (UN ‘Oil for Food’ corruption, anyone?), there is substantial reason to revisit and question the claims about other issues.

Butch
February 10, 2010 4:59 am

It always comes down to integrity.

HotRod
February 10, 2010 5:10 am

This piece, or rather the comments section, is a good example of everyone reading the same thing differently. On my first read I picked out these sentences, there were other choices too:
“leading practitioners of this ‘evangelical science’ of global warming”
“they propounded, as a proven fact, Anthropogenic Carbon-based Global Warming. There is little room for uncertainty in this thesis”
“In retrospect, we can ask why this particular, really rather extreme view of the prospect, became the official one.”
“its proponents became invested in it, and attached to it, in all sorts of ways, institutional and personal. ”
“All critics, even those who were full members of the scientific peer community, had to be derided and dismissed”
“Any weakening of the scientific case would have amounted to a betrayal of the good cause”
“The final stage of corruption, cover-up, had taken hold”
and I applauded his ‘factual’ observations. I also welcome ANY observations on WHY this happened, even from a post-Marxist orotund philosopher; I would note that Roger Pielke Jr (that famous Marxist and anti-scientist) describes him as “a giant among scholars in the history and philosophy of science and someone who I am happy to call a friend and colleague.”
That’s good enough for me for the time being.

kim
February 10, 2010 5:11 am

Is it any wonder that the man who drew the treasure map knows where the pot of gold is buried?
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Basil
Editor
February 10, 2010 5:14 am

“Can’t you folks see that Ravetz is a Trojan horse?”
I concur. I am really surprised, and disappointed, at the number of people giving this essay unqualified praise. I don’t fault Anthony for posting it, and I’ve read tallbloke’s defense of it, especially in response to Willis. But given what I think are the general leanings of most of the readership here, I can only surmise that they have been fooled when they accept Ravetz’ ideas uncritically.
My guess is that they are seeing what they think is a criticism of the normal peer review process, and case being made for a broader kind of “peer review.” But there is a lot more to Ravetz’ theory than that. Ravetz is arguing for politicizing science even more than it is already! Au contraire, the point I tried to make in my initial comment was that we need let politics be politics, and science be science. In a nutshell, what Ravetz is doing is crafting an argument to further politicize science. In “post normal science,” science is not what the “normal” scientists say it is, science is what the political process says it is! Do all of you praising this post uncritically really believe that? If so, God help us all.

February 10, 2010 5:17 am

Tenuc (02:14:17) :
I found this an interesting, if not a little wordy, post. While some parts are good, I feel that more could have been made of the politicisation of science and the constant pressure for individuals working on projects to deliver the answers their paymasters want to hear.
The other puzzle I found hard to understand from the context of the piece was that the author seems to be caught in the ‘fear’ trap too. He is an obviously believer in CO2 caused CAGW…
“Are we really experiencing Anthropogenic Carbon-based Global Warming? If the public loses faith in that claim, then the situation of science in our society will be altered for the worse.”

If he was still a believer, he’d have said “we are really” not “Are we really?”
This has been the most misunderstood sentence in Jerry Ravetz’ essay. I don’t think he’s saying the public must or should continue to believe, he’s flagging up the danger of the scientific and political establishment continuing to deny the obvious.
ScientistForTruth (04:06:16) :
‘Contradiction’ and ‘characteristic contradiction’ are Marxist-speak.

Jerry said to me in email that one of the reasons he got out of politics many years ago was that he found himself agreeing with thoughtful and reasonable people of the opposite side more than the strident members of his own. I know what he means.
Willis Eschenbach (02:58:56) :
To me, saying that the “approach of ‘normal science’ is obsolete” is arguing strongly “against science being done properly in the first place”. What am I missing here?

The context of the argument I think. As I read him, it is the approach of ‘normal science’ as applied to policy formation which is obsolete and must giove way to more democratic forms with wider terms of reference.
So, rather than some boffin telling us that ‘this is how it is’ and the government getting away with handing down the policy from on high without further debate, Ravetz is saying, “hang on, we need views from other people here, including those of investigative journalists and people bearing leaked documents. (He wrote that before the CRU leak by the way). This militates for us not against.
The problem is not that the outputs of science are abused. It is that the scientific process is not being followed, so that there are no valid “outputs of science” to be abused.
As I said in my earlier reply, I doubt you’d get any argument from Jerry on that score. Integrity is a pre-requisite for useful knowledge production. He acknowledged that he’d missed emphasising that when I confronted him with Scientist For Truth’s piece some weeks ago.

February 10, 2010 5:20 am

Thank you so very much for that learned summary (although it is almost a paper in itself) of the subject. I have read it once, and shall re-read a few times. So far not a single word seems invalid or misplaced. I feel you have nailed it, to use the vernacular.
(another) Jerome

Rienk
February 10, 2010 5:33 am

The prof is just another Grima Wormtongue. The whole edifice of science will come crashing down around us unless the public keeps on believing The claim of AGW? Come on! Scientists don’t need to be believeable or dependable or honest or have authority. What is needed is simple. Show your work. Show it in sufficient detail, show methods and equipment, show your reasoning. Show it to all that ask. Then others can check, point out mistakes, affirm your findings and improve. That way no one needs to take anybody’s word for anything and science will happily progress.
The only difference with how things used to be is that these days a lot more people have sufficient access and knowledge to assess the claims. Nominally we belong to the public, in reality we are all peers now. Deal with it, science is not a religion.
Sorry about the ranting, but agents like the prof raise my hackles something terrible. And I’m serious about all of us being peers. We check the theory of electricity every time we switch on the lights or the telly and we don’t need a belief system for that.

Veronica
February 10, 2010 5:34 am

tallbloke
“post-normal” science is a defined term and is not being used colloquially in Ravetz’s essay. Wiki it and you will see how it is defined.

February 10, 2010 5:34 am

This is by far the sharpest analysis on the climate scam I have read. Very interesting and inspiring to read. I will directly make a summary in Swedish for my blog readers.
If there is anything to comment about the article, it should be what several commentors have pointed out above. The author is maybe a bit to cautious, not going into details about factors that have been discussed intensely in the blogosphere:
– money, both as an overall motivation and, specifically, in the context of misusing grants
– international politics, shown in conflicts of interest between major global actors
This was a high water mark. More of that kind, please.

February 10, 2010 5:35 am

Willis Eschenbach (02:58:56) :
Do you note that in his entire essay he says nothing about the hiding of data? Did you see that he doesn’t mention the corruption of the peer review process? Did you observe that he said nothing about Jones refusing to give out his data because Warwick would “try to find fault with it”? Did you get that he mentions nothing about Jones and the others conspiring to destroy evidence? Did you notice that he is totally silent about Jones fraudulently evading my FOI request?

Willis, I understand that you think Jerry Ravetz is soft soaping the issues, and I warned him of the dangers of standing in the middle of the road on this, but here we are. The criticisms he has are nuanced, partly because his essay will have other audiences besides WUWT, but they are far reaching noentheless.
“Even if only a fraction of their scientific claims were eventually refuted, their credibility as trustworthy scientists was lost. … the recent data from other sources were skilfully blended in so that the change was not obvious; that was the notorious ‘Nature trick’ of the CRU e-mails. …. We can begin to see what went seriously wrong when we examine what the leading practitioners of this ‘evangelical science’ of global warming … took to be the plain and urgent truth in their case.”

EdB
February 10, 2010 5:36 am

Thank you Willis Eschenbach, you said what I could not express other than to say .. it is a pile of CRAP!

February 10, 2010 5:46 am

Veronica (05:34:43) :
tallbloke
“post-normal” science is a defined term and is not being used colloquially in Ravetz’s essay. Wiki it and you will see how it is defined.

C’mon, you know better than to quote wikipedia as a definitive source. Anyway, to me it looks like PNS is a concept which can be hijacked and turned to either sides use, and surely has been, and will be. If that makes Jerry a chameleon, then so be it, but I think it indicates the truth in his proposition.

Steve in SC
February 10, 2010 5:53 am

Not post normal at all. Simply corrupt. Anywhere you find any man made disaster you will find the root cause is simply corruption.
Willis you are indeed correct. It is piled higher and deeper.

February 10, 2010 5:54 am

Now that I’ve had an opportunity to dig a little deeper into the background of “Post-Normal Science,” I see that it was DEVELOPED to justify the suspension of “normal” scientific rules in order to allow “emergency action” in the face of alleged peril. That’s troubling.
The good news is that Dr. Ravetz has published this essay on this blog at this time, however. His PNS theory may have been developed to support AGW action, but the categories that he has developed work even better when applied in the opposite direction. He may have come up with PNS in order to write off the “deniers,” but Climategate turned his paradigm inside out.
Italy sided with Hitler in 1939, but by the time the Allies neared Rome in 1943, Italy switched sides. Ciao, Dr. Ravetz!

Editor
February 10, 2010 6:08 am

Yesterday at an event I had a portion of ‘beef stew’ for lunch. In my portion I found two small pieces of meat. The rest of the bulk was made up of mushrooms and onions dressed in a very tasty gravy. Everyone commented how delicious it was. This was a Post-Normal Stew that delivered what the event organisers wanted (tasty food) and what the catering company wanted us to accept (low cost). Most people didn’t notice and the catering company went home richer.
Post-Normal Science is just the same – strip away the padding and you are left with few scientific facts and a lot of conjecture. Listened to ‘The News’ lately anyone? As a society we have become so used to opinion and speculation dressed up as news that PNS is right at home in the media.
This is a very well-written and thought-provoking essay with some lovely turns of phrase, but the whole notion of PNS fills me with dread.

February 10, 2010 6:22 am

The concept of post normal science has been discredited for some time:
http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/?p=1469
The climategate farrago is but an example of what is going on elsewhere and for the benefit of all it shows the deficiencies of the concept.
Either one uses science as it has been understood and very successfully applied since the Renaissance or one uses the ‘new’ idea that scientific method alone is inadequate so that it needs to be supplemented by power play and deception ‘for a greater good’ and we go back to quackery and the days of witch doctors who now parade under the title of post normal scientists.
I can’t believe that intelligent individuals can justify that which is proposed on any grounds whatever. If they are intelligent and go along with it then either they are dishonest and corrupt or more likely their world view has been distorted by an underlying ideological belief system that is very much anti science and also anti democratic.
Indeed it implies that the ignorant masses are not to be trusted to act in their own best interests and/or that the interests of the planet/environment/humanity at large can best be protected by overriding what the masses would decide to be in their own best interests.
It comes down to totalitarianism pure and simple.
He nails himself to the mast here:
“The whole vast edifice of policy commitments for Carbon reduction, with their many policy prescriptions and quite totalitarian moral exhortations, will be at risk of public rejection. What sort of chaos would then result?”
i.e. He favours totalitarianism as a remedy for the problems envisaged in his perceived world view. Anything else would lead to chaos.
So what do we want ?
Regular science and democratic decision making or
post normal science and totalitarianism.
Take your pick.

johnnythelowery
February 10, 2010 6:29 am

I don’t like the coining of ‘post-normal Science’. The public will be confused as the the IPCC is going to say “….using the best practices of ‘normal science’ and ‘post normal Science’, we declare our conclusions scientifically sound!.” Which is really saying ‘…using best practices of normal science and outright fraud….’.
Post-Normal = subversion of science.
But ‘Post Normal Science’ is a contradiction in terms as given what has occurred here in the AGW. It’s just Fraud with complex interpersonal motivations.
Coining a term ‘Post Normal Science’ awards it a monica of respect by borrowing the respect we all have for the Sciences(and Oxford for that matter).
Drop it!

February 10, 2010 6:35 am

Can those of you who like Ravetz’s espousing post-normal science please explain when Mike Hulme, Ravetz’s acolyte, says:
“Philosophers and practitioners of science have identified this particular mode of scientific activity as one that occurs…where values are embedded in the way science is done and spoken…It has been labelled “post-normal” science. Climate change seems to fall in this category. Disputes in post-normal science focus…on the process of science – who gets funded, who evaluates quality, who has the ear of policy…The IPCC is a classic example of a post-normal scientific activity.”
Hulme should know – he’s not an outsider: he was co-ordinating Lead Author for the chapter on ‘Climate scenario development’ for the Third Assessment Report of the IPCC, as well as a contributing author for several other chapters. So, you like the way the IPCC has conducted its activity, do you? Because Mike Hulme seems to think that the IPCC is one of the best examples of post-normal science in action.
I read a lot of Ravetz and Hulme before compiling my post in October. I can tell you – Ravetz knows how to write to push all WUWT readers’ buttons. He has been following WUWT for a long time – see comments to my post:
http://buythetruth.wordpress.com/2009/10/31/climate-change-and-the-death-of-science/
I would recommend that if you want to sup with Jerome Ravetz and Mike Hulme you do so with very long spoons.
Ravetz destroys ‘normal’ science by making it obsolete – it can’t deal with complex systems with uncertainty. So what we have in the IPCC review process are ‘normal’ scientists flagging up that the claims that are made in AR4 go way beyond what is known: the uncertainty has to be stated. As we know, such comments were rejected, and AR4 was way out of order as a summary of what science could tell us in 2007. Too bad, the rules of the game are post-normal now, chaps, so all normal scientists shut up.
As Eva Kunseler pointed out in relation to post-normal science:
“The exercise of scholarly activities is defined by the dominance of goal orientation where scientific goals are controlled by political or societal actors…Scientists’ integrity lies not in disinterestedness but in their behaviour as stakeholders…Involved social actors must agree on the definition of perceptions, narratives, interpretation of models, data and indicators…scientists have to contribute to society by learning as quickly as possible about different perceptions”
Quite explicitly in post-normal science, the goal of scholarly activities (research, data manipulation, writing IPCC reports…) is controlled by politics. Oh yes, there is “integrity” but note that it is not based on the ethics of normal science but on “behaviour as stakeholders”.
There is a short path between post-normal science and the Precautionary Principle – that if there is a very small possibility of a very large impact you have to take ‘precaution’ against that event. Good job the Aztecs weren’t allowed to follow the precautionary principle, otherwise they would still be doing human sacrifice every night just to ensure that the sun came up the next day.

Phil Jourdan
February 10, 2010 6:37 am

Rienk (05:33:48) :
The prof is just another Grima Wormtongue. The whole edifice of science will come crashing down around us unless the public keeps on believing The claim of AGW?

Rienk, I saw the reference you are referring to, but I did not take it the way you did. yes, Science will be damaged if AGW is proved false, but then it already has been. I think what he was trying to get at was that the truth needs to be outed sooner than later so that the damage can then be corrected. That is occuring any event and will continue to be until the perpertrators of the unethical acts are rooted and booted from the field.

Onion
February 10, 2010 6:39 am

“Willis, I understand that you think Jerry Ravetz is soft soaping the issues, and I warned him of the dangers of standing in the middle of the road on this, but here we are.”
He’s not standing in the middle of the road with this article. He is holding an extreme position here – the legitimacy of post-normal science and its superiority over proper science where needs are dire and decisions urgent.
Another Ravetz justification for PNS:
“Where the systems under study are complicated, complex or poorly understood, that ‘textbook’ style of investigation becomes less, sometimes much less, effective.”
Now call me stupid, but that applies to every single scientific system under study, when study is in its infancy. Quantum physics remains poorly understood and complex, and has profound policy consequences – it did not require post-normal scientists
“We can understand the root cause of Climategate as a case of scientists constrained to attempt to do normal science in a post-normal situation.”
No. The root cause is adverse incentives influencing their behaviour. The more you think about this, the more absurd this sentence is.
Ravetz IS right about the awesome peer review power of the blogosphere, as this thread is a testament to. But that is a side issue from the causes of Climategate, the conduct of these scientists, politicians and the media in general.
If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail.

MrLynn
February 10, 2010 6:45 am

Willis Eschenbach (23:53:22)
For me, this essay is the most dangerous piece of nonsense that has ever appeared on WUWT … sorry, Anthony, but that’s my view.
Willis Eschenbach (02:58:56)
. . . Jerry Ravetz is a craven apologist who is trying to divert attention from the real issue. . .
. . . Ravetz is a single-issue fanatic who is trying to twist the conniving cupidity of some scientists to fit his strait jacket powder-puff philosophy. I am surprised that Anthony published this rubbish, and I’m surprised that you and others buy into it.

Hear! Hear! I’m surprised as well at all the praise this tripe has garnered here in the Comments.
However, Chuckles (03:05:39) has a point:

. . . The entire essay documents at great length that ‘climate science’ as practised by the IPCC, CRU, GISS etc is not science at all, but this other discipline called ‘post-normal science’.
Why would you not agree with this?
Game Over.

Yes, and along with The Great Anthropogenic Global Warming Hoax, and Faux Climate Science, let us make sure we throw this vile ‘Post-Normal Science’ (i.e. Post-Rational Pettifoggery) into the ashcan of history.
So let us be charitable and assume that Anthony published this jargonistic nonsense in order to show us to what lengths the academicians will go to rationalize fraud and chicanery in the service of political ideology.
/Mr Lynn

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