I’m honored to offer this guest post by Jerome Ravetz, of Oxford University in the UK. Mr. Ravetz is an environmental consultant and professor of philosophy of science best known for his books challenging the assumptions of scientific objectivity, discussing the science wars and post-normal science. Read more about him at his personal web page here, his Oxford page here, or at his blog the Post-normal Times. Also, my thanks to WUWT regular “tallbloke” for his facilitation. – Anthony
Guest post by Jerome Ravetz
At the end of January 2010 two distinguished scientific institutions shared headlines with Tony Blair over accusations of the dishonest and possibly illegal manipulation of information. Our ‘Himalayan glaciers melting by 2035’ of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is matched by his ‘dodgy dossier’ of Saddam’s fictitious subversions. We had the violations of the Freedom of Information Act at the University of East Anglia; he has the extraordinary 70-year gag rule on the David Kelly suicide file. There was ‘the debate is over’ on one side, and ‘WMD beyond doubt’ on the other. The parallels are significant and troubling, for on both sides they involve a betrayal of public trust.
Politics will doubtless survive, for it is not a fiduciary institution; but for science the dangers are real. Climategate is particularly significant because it cannot be blamed on the well-known malign influences from outside science, be they greedy corporations or an unscrupulous State. This scandal, and the resulting crisis, was created by people within science who can be presumed to have been acting with the best of intentions. In the event of a serious discrediting of the global-warming claims, public outrage would therefore be directed at the community of science itself, and (from within that community) at its leaders who were either ignorant or complicit until the scandal was blown open. If we are to understand Climategate, and move towards a restoration of trust, we should consider the structural features of the situation that fostered and nurtured the damaging practices. I believe that the ideas of Post-Normal Science (as developed by Silvio Funtowicz and myself) can help our understanding.
There are deep problems of the management of uncertainty in science in the policy domain, that will not be resolved by more elaborate quantification. In the gap between science and policy, the languages, their conventions and their implications are effectively incommensurable. It takes determination and skill for a scientist who is committed to social responsibility, to avoid becoming a ‘stealth advocate’ (in the terms of Roger Pielke Jr.). When the policy domain seems unwilling or unable to recognise plain and urgent truths about a problem, the contradictions between scientific probity and campaigning zeal become acute. It is a perennial problem for all policy-relevant science, and it seems to have happened on a significant scale in the case of climate science. The management of uncertainty and quality in such increasingly common situations is now an urgent task for the governance of science.
We can begin to see what went seriously wrong when we examine what the leading practitioners of this ‘evangelical science’ of global warming (thanks to Angela Wilkinson) took to be the plain and urgent truth in their case. This was not merely that there are signs of exceptional disturbance in the ecosphere due to human influence, nor even that the climate might well be changing more rapidly now than for a very long time. Rather, they propounded, as a proven fact, Anthropogenic Carbon-based Global Warming. There is little room for uncertainty in this thesis; it effectively needs hockey-stick behaviour in all indicators of global temperature, so that it is all due to industrialisation. Its iconic image is the steadily rising graph of CO2 concentrations over the past fifty years at the Mauna Loa volcano in Hawaii (with the implicit assumption that CO2 had always previously been at or below that starting level). Since CO2 has long been known to be a greenhouse gas, with scientific theories quantifying its effects, the scientific case for this dangerous trend could seem to be overwhelmingly simple, direct, and conclusive.
In retrospect, we can ask why this particular, really rather extreme view of the prospect, became the official one. It seems that several causes conspired. First, the early opposition to any claim of climate change was only partly scientific; the tactics of the opposing special interests were such as to induce the proponents to adopt a simple, forcefully argued position. Then, once the position was adopted, its proponents became invested in it, and attached to it, in all sorts of ways, institutional and personal. And I suspect that a simplified, even simplistic claim, was more comfortable for these scientists than one where complexity and uncertainty were acknowledged. It is not merely a case of the politicians and public needing a simple, unequivocal message. As Thomas Kuhn described ‘normal science’, which (as he said) nearly all scientists do all the time, it is puzzle-solving within an unquestioned framework or ‘paradigm’. Issues of uncertainty and quality are not prominent in ‘normal’ scientific training, and so they are less easily conceived and managed by its practitioners.
Now, as Kuhn saw, this ‘normal’ science has been enormously successful in enabling our unprecedented understanding and control of the world around us. But his analysis related to the sciences of the laboratory, and by extension the technologies that could reproduce stable and controllable external conditions for their working. Where the systems under study are complicated, complex or poorly understood, that ‘textbook’ style of investigation becomes less, sometimes much less, effective. The near-meltdown of the world’s financial system can be blamed partly on naïvely reductionist economics and misapplied simplistic statistics. The temptation among ‘normal’ scientists is to work as if their material is as simple as in the lab. If nothing else, that is the path to a steady stream of publications, on which a scientific career now so critically depends. The most obvious effect of this style is the proliferation of computer simulations, which give the appearance of solved puzzles even when neither data nor theory provide much support for the precision of their numerical outputs. Under such circumstances, a refined appreciation of uncertainty in results is inhibited, and even awareness of quality of workmanship can be atrophied.
In the course of the development of climate-change science, all sorts of loose ends were left unresolved and sometimes unattended. Even the most fundamental quantitative parameter of all, the forcing factor relating the increase in mean temperature to a doubling of CO2, lies somewhere between 1 and 3 degrees, and is thus uncertain to within a factor of 3. The precision (at about 2%) in the statements of the ‘safe limits’ of CO2 concentration, depending on calculations with this factor, is not easily justified. Also, the predictive power of the global temperature models has been shown to depend more on the ‘story line’ than anything else, the end-of century increase in temperature ranging variously from a modest one degree to a catastrophic six. And the ‘hockey stick’ picture of the past, so crucial for the strict version of the climate change story, has run into increasingly severe problems. As an example, it relied totally on a small set of deeply uncertain tree-ring data for the Medieval period, to refute the historical evidence of a warming then; but it needed to discard that sort of data for recent decades, as they showed a sudden cooling from the 1960’s onwards! In the publication, the recent data from other sources were skilfully blended in so that the change was not obvious; that was the notorious ‘Nature trick’ of the CRU e-mails.
Even worse, for the warming case to have political effect, a mere global average rise in temperature was not compelling enough. So that people could appreciate the dangers, there needed to be predictions of future climate – or even weather – in the various regions of the world. Given the gross uncertainties in even the aggregated models, regional forecasts are really beyond the limits of science. And yet they have been provided, with various degrees of precision. Those announced by the IPCC have become the most explosive.
As all these anomalies and unsolved puzzles emerged, the neat, compelling picture became troubled and even confused. In Kuhn’s analysis, this would be the start of a ‘pre-revolutionary’ phase of normal science. But the political cause had been taken up by powerful advocates, like Al Gore. We found ourselves in another crusading ‘War’, like those on (non-alcoholic) Drugs and ‘Terror’. This new War, on Carbon, was equally simplistic, and equally prone to corruption and failure. Global warming science became the core element of this major worldwide campaign to save the planet. Any weakening of the scientific case would have amounted to a betrayal of the good cause, as well as a disruption of the growing research effort. All critics, even those who were full members of the scientific peer community, had to be derided and dismissed. As we learned from the CRU e-mails, they were not considered to be entitled to the normal courtesies of scientific sharing and debate. Requests for information were stalled, and as one witty blogger has put it, ‘peer review’ was replaced by ‘pal review’.
Even now, the catalogue of unscientific practices revealed in the mainstream media is very small in comparison to what is available on the blogosphere. Details of shoddy science and dirty tricks abound. By the end, the committed inner core were confessing to each other that global temperatures were falling, but it was far too late to change course. The final stage of corruption, cover-up, had taken hold. For the core scientists and the leaders of the scientific communities, as well as for nearly all the liberal media, ‘the debate was over’. Denying Climate Change received the same stigma as denying the Holocaust. Even the trenchant criticisms of the most egregious errors in the IPCC reports were kept ‘confidential’. And then came the e-mails.
We can understand the root cause of Climategate as a case of scientists constrained to attempt to do normal science in a post-normal situation. But climate change had never been a really ‘normal’ science, because the policy implications were always present and strong, even overwhelming. Indeed, if we look at the definition of ‘post-normal science’, we see how well it fits: facts uncertain,values in dispute, stakes high, and decisions urgent. In needing to treat Planet Earth like a textbook exercise, the climate scientists were forced to break the rules of scientific etiquette and ethics, and to play scientific power-politics in a way that inevitably became corrupt. The combination of non-critical ‘normal science’ with anti-critical ‘evangelical science’ was lethal. As in other ‘gate’ scandals, one incident served to pull a thread on a tissue of protective plausibilities and concealments, and eventually led to an unravelling. What was in the e-mails could be largely explained in terms of embattled scientists fighting off malicious interference; but the materials ready and waiting on the blogosphere provided a background, and that is what converted a very minor scandal to a catastrophe.
Consideration of those protective plausibilities can help to explain how the illusions could persist for so long until their sudden collapse. The scientists were all reputable, they published in leading peer-reviewed journals, and their case was itself highly plausible and worthy in a general way. Individual criticisms were, for the public and perhaps even for the broader scientific community, kept isolated and hence muffled and lacking in systematic significance. And who could have imagined that at its core so much of the science was unsound? The plausibility of the whole exercise was, as it were, bootstrapped. I myself was alerted to weaknesses in the case by some caveats in Sir David King’s book The Hot Topic; and I had heard of the hockey-stick affair. But even I was carried along by the bootstrapped plausibility, until the scandal broke. (I have benefited from the joint project on plausibility in science of colleagues in Oxford and at the Arizona State University).
Part of the historic significance of Climategate is that the scandal was so effectively and quickly exposed. Within a mere two months of the first reports in the mainstream media, the key East Anglia scientists and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change were discredited. Even if only a fraction of their scientific claims were eventually refuted, their credibility as trustworthy scientists was lost. To explain how it all happened so quickly and decisively, we have the confluence of two developments, one social and the other technical. For the former, there is a lesson of Post-Normal Science, that we call the Extended Peer Community. In traditional ‘normal’ science, the peer community, performing the functions of quality-assurance and governance, is strictly confined to the researchers who share the paradigm. In the case of ‘professional consultancy’, the clients and/or sponsors also participate in governance. We have argued that in the case of Post-Normal Science, the ‘extended peer community’, including all affected by the policy being implemented, must be fully involved. Its particular contribution will depend on the nature of the core scientific problem, and also on the phase of investigation. Detailed technical work is a task for experts, but quality-control on even that work can be done by those with much broader expertise. And on issues like the definition of the problem itself, the selection of personnel, and crucially the ownership of the results, the extended peer community has full rights of participation. This principle is effectively acknowledged in many jurisdictions, and for many policy-related problems. The theory of Post-Normal Science goes beyond the official consensus in recognising ‘extended facts’, that might be local knowledge and values, as well as unoffficially obtained information.
The task of creating and involving the extended peer community (generally known as ‘participation’) has been recognised as difficult, with its own contradictions and pitfalls. It has grown haphazardly, with isolated successes and failures. Hitherto, critics of scientific matters have been relegated to a sort of samizdat world, exchanging private letters or writing books that can easily be ignored (as not being peer-reviewed) by the ruling establishment. This has generally been the fate of even the most distinguished and responsible climate-change critics, up to now. A well-known expert in uncertainty management, Jeroen van der Sluijs, explicitly condemned the ‘overselling of certainty’ and predicted the impending destruction of trust; but he received no more attention than did Nikolas Taleb in warning of the ‘fat tails’ in the probability distributions of securities that led to the Credit Crunch. A prominent climate scientist, Mike Hulme, provided a profound analysis in Why We Disagree About Climate Change, in terms of complexity and uncertainty. But since legitimate disagreement was deemed nonexistent, he too was ignored.
To have a political effect, the ‘extended peers’ of science have traditionally needed to operate largely by means of activist pressure-groups using the media to create public alarm. In this case, since the global warmers had captured the moral high ground, criticism has remained scattered and ineffective, except on the blogosphere. The position of Green activists is especially difficult, even tragic; they have been ‘extended peers’ who were co-opted into the ruling paradigm, which in retrospect can be seen as a decoy or diversion from the real, complex issues of sustainability, as shown by Mike Hulme. Now they must do some very serious re-thinking about their position and their role.
The importance of the new media of communications in mass politics, as in the various ‘rainbow revolutions’ is well attested. To understand how the power-politics of science have changed in the case of Climategate, we can take a story from the book Here Comes Everybody by Clay Shirkey. There were two incidents in the Boston U.S.A. diocese of the Roman Catholic Church, involving the shuffling of paeodophile priests around parishes. The first time, there was a criminal prosecution, with full exposure in the press, and then nothing happened. The second time, the outraged parents got on their cell phones and organised; and eventually Cardinal Archbishop Bernard Francis Law (who had started as a courageous cleric in the ‘60’s) had to leave for Rome in disgrace. The Climategate affair shows the importance of the new IT for science, as an empowerment of the extended peer community.
The well-known principle, ‘knowledge is power’ has its obverse, ‘ignorance is impotence’. And ignorance is maintained, or eventually overcome, by a variety of socio-technical means. With the invention of cheap printing on paper, the Bible could be widely read, and heretics became Reformers. The social activity of science as we know it expanded and grew through the age of printing. But knowledge was never entirely free, and the power-politics of scientific legitimacy remained quite stable for centuries. The practice of science has generally been restricted to a social elite and its occasional recruits, as it requires a prior academic education and a sufficiency of leisure and of material resources. With the new information technology, all that is changing rapidly. As we see from the ‘open source’ movement, many people play an active role in enjoyable technological development in the spare time that their job allows or even encourages. Moreover, all over IT there are blogs that exercise quality control on the industry’s productions. In this new knowledge industry, the workers can be as competent as the technicians and bosses. The new technologies of information enable the diffusion of scientific competence and the sharing of unofficial information, and hence give power to peer communities that are extended far beyond the Ph.D.s in the relevant subject-specialty. The most trenchant and effective critics of the ‘hockey stick’ statistics were a University-employed economist and a computer expert.
Like any other technology, IT is many-faceted. It is easily misused and abused, and much of the content of the blogosphere is trivial or worse. The right-wing political agendas of some climate sceptics, their bloggers and their backers, are quite well known. But to use their background or motivation as an excuse for ignoring their arguments, is a betrayal of science. The blogosphere interacts with other media of communication, in the public and scientific domains. Some parts are quite mainstream, others not. The Climategate blogosphere is as varied in quality as any other. Some leading scholars, like Roger Pielke, Jr. have had personal blogs for a long time. Some blogs are carefully monitored, have a large readership and are sampled by the mainstream media (such as the one on which this is posted, Wattsupwiththat.com). Others are less rigorous; but the same variation in quality can be found in the nominally peer-reviewed scientific literature. Keeping up with the blogosphere requires different skills from keeping up with traditional literature; it is most useful to find a summarising blog that fits one’s special interests, as well as a loyal correspondent, as (in my case) Roger ‘tallbloke’ Tattersall.
Some mainstream publications are now saying nice things about the blogosphere. Had such sentiments been expressed a while ago, the critical voices might have had a public hearing and the Climategate scandal might have been exposed before it became entrenched so disastrously. And now the critical blogosphere does not need to be patronised. Like any extension of political power, whether it be the right to believe, to protest, to vote, to form trades unions, or to be educated, it can lead to instabilities and abuses. But now the extended peer community has a technological base, and the power-politics of science will be different. I cannot predict how it will work out, but we can be confident that corruptions built on bootstrapped plausibility will be less likely in the future.
There is an important philosophical dimension to Climategate, a question of the relation of personal scientific ethics to objective scientific facts. The problem is created by the traditional image of science (as transmitted in scientific education) as ‘value-free’. The personal commitments to integrity, that are necessary for the maintenance of scientific quality, receive no mention in the dominant philosophy of science. Kuhn’s disenchanted picture of science was so troubling to the idealists (as Popper) because in his ‘normal’ science criticism had hardly any role. For Kuhn, even the Mertonian principles of ethical behaviour were effectively dismissed as irrelevant. Was this situation truly ‘normal’ – meaning either average or (worse) appropriate? The examples of shoddy science exposed by the Climategate convey a troubling impression. From the record, it appears that in this case, criticism and a sense of probity needed to be injected into the system by the extended peer community from the (mainly) external blogosphere.
The total assurance of the mainstream scientists in their own correctness and in the intellectual and moral defects of their critics, is now in retrospect perceived as arrogance. For their spokespersons to continue to make light of the damage to the scientific case, and to ignore the ethical dimension of Climategate, is to risk public outrage at a perceived unreformed arrogance. If there is a continuing stream of ever more detailed revelations, originating in the blogosphere but now being brought to a broader public, then the credibility of the established scientific authorities will continue to erode. Do we face the prospect of the IPCC reports being totally dismissed as just more dodgy dossiers, and of hitherto trusted scientists being accused of negligence or worse? There will be those who with their own motives will be promoting such a picture. How can it be refuted?
And what about the issue itself? Are we really experiencing Anthropogenic Carbon-based Global Warming? If the public loses faith in that claim, then the situation of science in our society will be altered for the worse. There is very unlikely to be a crucial experience that either confirms or refutes the claim; the post-normal situation is just too complex. The consensus is likely to depend on how much trust can still be put in science. The whole vast edifice of policy commitments for Carbon reduction, with their many policy prescriptions and quite totalitarian moral exhortations, will be at risk of public rejection. What sort of chaos would then result? The consequences for science in our civilisation would be extraordinary.
To the extent that the improved management of uncertainty and ignorance can remedy the situation, some useful tools are at hand. In the Netherlands, scholars and scientists have developed ‘Knowledge Quality Assessment’ methodologies for characterising uncertainty in ways that convey the richness of the phenomenon while still performing well as robust tools of analysis and communication. Elsewhere, scholars are exploring methods for managing disagreement among scientists, so that such post-normal issues do not need to become so disastrously polarised. A distinguished scholar, Sheila Jasanoff, has called for a culture of humility among scientists, itself a radical move towards a vision of a non-violent science. Scientists who have been forced to work on the blogosphere have had the invaluable experience of exclusion and oppression; that could make it easier for them to accept that something is seriously wrong and then to engage in the challenging moral adventures of dealing with uncertainty and ignorance. The new technologies of communications are revolutionising knowledge and power in many areas. The extended peer community of science on the blogosphere will be playing its part in that process. Let dialogue commence!
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My thanks to numerous friends and colleagues for their loyal assistance through all the drafts of this essay. The final review at a seminar at the Institute of Science, Innovation and Society at Oxford University was very valuable, particularly the intervention from ‘the man in the bus queue’.
Reading Ravetz’s essay is like trying to ride a bicycle without a chain. The problem is that it’s long on rhetoric and short on substance. It reminds me of the Oscar Wilde essay – “the soul of man under socialism.”
In it, he basically described how capitalism degraded the human soul and that under socialism, the human would be elevated above such degrading tasks as “disturbing dirt with a broom.” Unfortunately, for all its good intentions, it was just pie in the sky fantasy, with no connection with reality. The questions of what is socialism and how that would make a difference were never addressed. It was simply taken as axiomatic that it meant “elevating the human soul.”
I feel exactly the same frustration with this essay. Instead of Socialism, we have post normal science – an even more nebuluous concept if that is possible. Whereas Wilde enthused how Socialism would elevate the soul, we now have PNS elevating the quality of science. Whereas Wilde pointed to heartless Capitalism as the reason that human’s are exploited, Revatz points to normal science as the reason that climate science is failing. His answer is something akin to Wilde’s plea for Socialism.
Both are lacking in substance, and attempt to batter their way into acceptance by emotional appeal. Who could be against elevating the soul? Who could be against quality and democratic review? Yet in order to take a position one needs a thorough treatise on what is being proposed. Tossing ideologies about won’t suffice. It is time Revatz’s fixed a chain on this bike.
ScientistForTruth (04:28:35) :
In spite of Aristotle’s misunderstanding of motion (it was 340BC), he did contribute the term “meteorology,” referring then to all things of the atmosphere. This included meteorites, wind, clouds, rain and hailstones. In his book Meteorologics Aristotle demonstrated a good understanding of the hydrological cycle accurately describing water evaporation to vapor and its return to Earth as rain.
“Now the sun, moving as it does, sets up processes of change and becoming and decay, and by its agency the finest and sweetest water is every day carried up and is dissolved into vapour and rises to the upper region, where it is condensed again by the cold and so returns to the earth.”
His understanding of wind was not so accurate, however the man worked with no data beyond first hand observation. Some of his work became “authoritarian” science only because others refused to challenge it. It’s fair to say that Aristotle’s philosophy of the individual remains a fundamental tenet of democracy.
Stephen Wilde (06:22:51)
Stephen,
I’m afraid I don’t have enough knowledge (yet) to comment intelligently on the physical content of your article (see my first comment to this post above), but I did notice your exquisite reply to a scientific authority here: http://climaterealists.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=186&start=0#p4498.
I wonder, have you been able to make any quantitative assessment of your ideas? I am thinking of the kind of thing Roy Spencer describes here:
http://www.drroyspencer.com/research-articles/global-warming-as-a-natural-response/ (around figure 4).
Willis Eschenbach (03:37:28) effectively demolishes this description of ‘normal science’, but let me add that while the exclusion of scientists who espouse unpopular (non-consensual!) may be ‘normal’, in the sense of prevalent or common, it is greatly to be regretted; it is not normative.
Exclusion by ‘old boys’ networks’, especially by those in positions of power, and intolerance of contrary views, are unfortunate facts of life within institutions, but they violate the cardinal principle of scientific inquiry, which is to lay one’s propositions about the world open to challenge and falsification at every step.
The rise of the blogosphere and more peer-to-peer interaction can help to mitigate the evils of ‘old boy’ exclusivity, but the real solution is not some new kind of ‘post-normal’ science, but a rededication within the scientific community to the highest ideals and principles of the profession. When graduate students are taught not to fear for their careers if they write a paper that challenges the prevailing orthodoxy, then we’ll know we’re making progress on this front.
I do not have the impression that a rededication to the ethics and method of science is what Prof. Ravetz advocates. Rather his idea of ‘post-normal science’ appears to be a rationalization for ideological, agenda-driven science, which must perforce build ever-stronger walls around ‘correct’ theories and their advocates.
That’s how we got ‘climate science’, with its complete intolerance of competing views, its refusal to share data and methods, and its enlistment of scientific charlatans like Al Gore to proselytize in the media and in government. This is not progress, but regression, toward a simulacrum of science under the old Soviet Union.
/Mr Lynn
Erratum: First paragraph should read:
Willis Eschenbach (03:37:28) effectively demolishes this description of ‘normal science’, but let me add that while the exclusion of scientists who espouse unpopular (non-consensual!) views may be ‘normal’, in the sense of prevalent or common, it is greatly to be regretted; it is not normative.
Wish we could edit our posts in WordPress.
/Mr Lynn
Vincent (06:33:18) :
Reading Ravetz’s essay is like trying to ride a bicycle without a chain. The problem is that it’s long on rhetoric and short on substance. It reminds me of the Oscar Wilde essay – “the soul of man under socialism.”
In it, he basically described how capitalism degraded the human soul and that under socialism, the human would be elevated above such degrading tasks as “disturbing dirt with a broom.”
Quite! But then, the “persons of quality” have never been too hot on creating the quality themselves; they have always (with a few very exceptions) had to hire others – Haydn, Michelangelo, Lancelot Brown – to do the dirty work. They still have the mentality of a slave society.
It is interesting to see the failure of early Greek science which, in a slave culture, where it was also beneath their dignity to do experiments, their theories came to nothing.
(see “Greek Science” by Benjamin Farrington)
So, as a plebian dedicated to the production of real quality, I say “Let’s stick with ‘normal science.'”
Two points from Ravetz’s paper:
1. “This was not merely that there are signs of exceptional disturbance in the ecosphere due to human influence, nor even that the climate might well be changing more rapidly now than for a very long time. “
Sound like something from a Shakespeare play. What exactly are these signs?
2. “The consensus is likely to depend on how much trust can still be put in science. The whole vast edifice of policy commitments for Carbon reduction, with their many policy prescriptions and quite totalitarian moral exhortations, will be at risk of public rejection. What sort of chaos would then result? The consequences for science in our civilisation would be extraordinary.”
Provided it is widely understood that “climate science” as performed by the motley CRU and their ilk was not real science at all (how could it be if, for example, information is withheld from challenge?), there is no reason why there should be any extraordinary consequences for science in our civilisation. The useful consequence might be that civilisation, especially politicians and the MSM, will stop confusing the fanciful constructs of post-modern “science”(!) with real science. Real science will triumph and help civilisation to adapt to the future, whatever that future holds.
Let me explain another way with a couple of examples.
Switzerland at one time dominated the world wide watch industry. A guy in Switzerland invented something called the quartz movement. No one in Switzerland would give him the time of day. They already knew how to make watches, and this guy was painted as a nutbar. The science of building watches was settled. He wound up in Japan where they knew diddly squat about building watches. They bought his idea and pretty much bankrupted the whole Swiss watch industry. Facts won when they were presented in a forum willing to listen and consider that the grand consensus was wrong.
At 3M there was a guy tasked with making a permanent glue. One of his experiments was a total failure. The glue kinda stuck, but kinda didn’t. He used to it stick notes to the walls in his office because he could just peel them off later. He thought it would make a great product, and was promptly told by all the execs in the company that he was an idiot. But he’d already made up a whole stack of sample pads of yellow paper so he gave them away…to the secretaries of the execs. When they ran out, the secretaries asked for more. He told them there were no more because their bosses had decided against the product. When the secretaries got done chewing their bosses out it was clear that yellow stickies were going to market. The facts won again when they were presented to a forum willing to listen and consider that the grand consensus was wrong.
PNS is about getting decisions that require a grand consensus made. Its not new, the grand consensus is not always right, and the facts are frequently over ridden by greed, corruption, fear of change, fear of the unknown, laziness and so on. If that Swiss inventor didn’t have the cash to fly to Japan and the balls to ask for a meeting with Seiko, watches might still be mechanical and mostly made in Switzerland and accurate to a whopping 5 minutes per year. The blogosphere means you no longer need a plane ticket to present your idea. It does not mean however, that anyone will listen.
philip (07:45:46)
Probably best if we refrain from discussing my stuff on this thread. Feel free to engage me at climaterealists if you wish.
regards, Stephen.
I would just like to add my thanks to Anthony for hosting this debate. I also want to thank both sides for their extended and enlightening discussion, which has been pointed, but altogether civil. This is academic discourse at its very best, IMO, and necessary.
My two cents:
Science + ideology = bad medicine, not fit for human consumption
and
Poor Aristotle! You know, without the revival of interest in his philosophy by Renaissance humanists, there might be no modern science to become post-anything.
Indiana Bones (07:41:29) :
“Some of his [Aristotle’s] work became “authoritarian” science only because others refused to challenge it. It’s fair to say that Aristotle’s philosophy of the individual remains a fundamental tenet of democracy.”
Aristotle was a genius, and he made important contributions in several disciplines, not least formal logic. However I have serious problems with Aristotle on certain aspects of science, especially physics and metaphysics.
He could easily have checked things empirically, but sometimes chose not to. He tended to have philosophical ideas and bend the science to fit the philosophy. His teaching that heavier objects fall faster than lighter ones, and that falling objects reach terminal velocity immediately after being released could easily have been falsified by a simple test: the problem was, his ‘theory’ came from his philosophical viewpoint, which he regarded as much more lofty than empiricism, so he did not check it. That’s really bad science. Same problem with AGW – prejudice and activism trump realism.
Mr. Willis Eschenbach, Sir, You are not able to see or hear what is happening in my office. I am clapping… Thank you for your words. They are very clear to all who would take the time to read and comprhend them. Refreshing. Thank you again, Tom
MrLynn (07:50:23) :
Willis Eschenbach (03:37:28) effectively demolishes this description of ‘normal science’, but let me add that while the exclusion of scientists who espouse unpopular (non-consensual!) may be ‘normal’, in the sense of prevalent or common, it is greatly to be regretted; it is not normative.
The difference between the theory of science and the politics of science is that the former is the desription of what should be going on, and the latter is the description of what actually is actually going on.
I haven’t read the rest of Mr Allis Whitenblachs post yet, I’m waiting to see if he comes back to retract any of his arrogant grandstanding and namecalling after accusing me of hiding behind a pseudonym when my full name is in the very document under discussion, which he obviously hasn’t read closely enough to notice.
tallbloke (09:38:26) :
The difference between the theory of science and the politics of science is that the former is the desription of what should be going on, and the latter is the description of what actually is actually going on.
There is where you are mistaken, I think. PNS appears to be not only a theory of what is actually going on, but a theory what should be going on. And that is what many of us are alarmed about.
Basil
The article by Jerome Ravetz is a thought-provoking treatise on Climategate and its causes.
Ravetz starts off lamenting the “betrayal of public trust” at IPCC (Himalayagate) and UAE (FOIA violations). He compares “the debate is over” with “WMD beyond doubt”.
He concludes that Climategate was created by “people within science”, rather than from outside influences (greedy corporations or an unscrupulous State).
This conclusion is either contrived or naïve, as it ignores the fact that the “State” is financing those very “people within science”, and that this same “State” is looking for scientific justification for its plan to impose major new “carbon taxes” (see Mencken on “hobgoblins”).
He states we should look at what “fostered and nourished” Climategate. Then brings in his idea of “Post-Normal-Science”, which Wiki defines, as follows:
For me there is a basic problem of logic here. On the issue of AGW it is clear that “facts are uncertain and values are in dispute”. But it is anything but clear that “stakes are high and decisions are urgent”. The very fact that the “facts are uncertain and values are in dispute” raises serious questions about the claim that the “stakes are high and decisions are urgent”. The stakes are only high and urgent decisions are only required if we believe that the scientific support for this premise is valid. If this scientific support is based on bad, manipulated or agenda-driven “science” (as we are beginning to see), then the case for “high stakes” and the need for “urgent decisions” no longer exists.
Ravetz’ next frightening statement could have been taken direct out of Orwell’s 1984 (or a script from Hitler or Stalin):
“Governance of science” by the makers of policy has an ominous “big brother” sound.
Ravetz then goes on to examine “what went seriously wrong”, blaming a part on the “evangelical science of global warming”, which allowed the observation of a general warming trend, along with the known greenhouse properties and the increasing human emission of CO2, to be parleyed into an impending threat of dangerous AGW, as a “proven fact”.
The scientists are given the largest share of the blame here for oversimplifying the case for AGW to make it understandable to politicians and the public. It is certainly true that the myopic fixation of IPCC on anthropogenic climate forcing factors to the essential exclusion of natural factors has led to oversimplified and even simplistic claims.
But I would question Ravetz’ logic in claiming that this oversimplification was caused by the scientists, largely because of difficulties is explaining their complex science to politicians and the public.
Instead, I believe it was programmed into “the DNA” of IPCC from its inception. IPCC was set up by politicians and bureaucrats to investigate human impacts on climate and identify possible mitigating steps to avoid negative impacts on society and the environment.
No potentially threatening human-caused impacts = no need for IPCC to continue to exist.
So it is clear that the oversimplification was not caused by the scientists, but rather by the politicians and bureaucrats, who then provided financial support for the “science” that would justify their political agenda, in other words “agenda driven science”.
Ravetz points out the weaknesses of computer simulations in “normal science” involving complex scientific situations with high degree of uncertainty:
Ravetz points out that the global temperature models depend more on the assumed “storylines” that on anything else that and the assumed ranges in climate sensitivity are so high that any predictions are, by definition, questionable. Projected end-of-century temperature increase ranges from a barely noticeable 1°C to an alarming 6°C, based on these shaky assumptions.
He then points out how “a small set of deeply uncertain tree-ring data for the Medieval period” was used to rewrite the historical evidence for the MWP, in the Mann et al. “hockey stick”, including the latest revelations of the “trick of hiding the post 1960 decline” in the reconstructed figures. But he fails to point out that the “hockeystick” had already been comprehensively refuted and discredited on scientific grounds as a fake prior to the current revelations.
The predictions of severe weather events caused by AGW were politically necessary to frighten the public into accepting the AGW story. But, as Ravetz points out, they were based on even shakier science than the global temperature projections upon which they were based.
Ravetz looks for rationalizations to explain the actions taken by the scientists when “facts are uncertain and values are in dispute”.
He acknowledges that the political pressure was strong to find simple explanations of the imminent dangers in what had become a crusading “war on carbon”.
But he then gets into rather theoretical and philosophical discussions about Thomas Kuhn and a “’pre-revolutionary’ phase of normal science”, where the scientists felt they were surrounded by uncertainty on one hand, but under pressure to provide a clear and compelling (if oversimplified) case to support the premise of potentially serious AGW on the other:
Global warming science became the core element of this major worldwide campaign to save the planet. Any weakening of the scientific case would have amounted to a betrayal of the good cause, as well as a disruption of the growing research effort.
Ravetz is explaining why the scientists manipulated and fabricated data to support the notion that AGW is a serious threat, i.e. to “save the planet” and BTW to get additional funding from the politicians to avoid “disruption of the growing research effort”.
This explanation is only a small part of the story and Ravetz ignores the real cause for the bogus and massaged data.
The root cause was political pressure to provide scientific support for a policy agenda (massive taxes on carbon). The policy makers who wanted to make these policy changes needed a “scientific” rationalization for the need for “action”. These same politicians controlled the funding for climate research. IPCC, which had been specifically set up to investigate human-caused climate change and its impacts on our society and environment, was the logical vehicle to spread the case for the urgent need for action.
Ravetz mentions how these pressures caused scientists to corrupt the “peer review” process and withhold information from critics or independent auditors.
Again, this is a rationalization of the behavior of the scientists resulting from “facts uncertain, values in dispute, stakes high, and decisions urgent” (i.e. the conditions for “post-normal science”, per his definition).
It is undoubtedly true that facts were uncertain (they still are) and values were in dispute (ditto). But stakes were only high and decisions urgent if we believe the exaggerated claims that were made by the scientists to support the political “war on carbon” (and excuse for a major new tax on carbon). The sense of urgency was fabricated by “agenda driven science”.
Ravetz then discusses the “debate is over” syndrome and the subsequent rapid “unraveling” of the science behind the AGW premise with the revelations of Climategate, etc.
There is no question that the peer review community has been extended, even to the blogosphere, as Ravetz states. Errors, omissions, exaggerations and just plain “bad science” in the IPCC reports have been pointed out by many critics, largely on the various blog sites, including this one.
The absurd and arrogant statement that “the debate is over”, was a key precursor to the demise of the AGW premise. (The debate is never over in “normal science” and no one likes arrogance, especially if it is being funded by the taxpayer).
Ravetz states:
To me this is simply a gobbledygook rationalization of bad scientific behavior by a cabal of highly influential publicly funded climatologists who had become activists in the “war on carbon” rather than impartial scientists.
Was it a “post-normal situation” that climate science funding (by the politicians) depended on delivering the scientific message to support the policy agenda of the politicians giving the grants?
Or was that just “politics as usual”, several hundreds of billions of dollars at stake and “agenda driven science”?
Ravetz makes a strange observation:
In other words the credibility of “science” in our society stands or falls with the validity of the premise that we are experiencing AGW and that it is a potentially serious threat for our society and our environment.
This observation does not make sense. If the AGW premise is, indeed, refuted by the scientific evidence before us, then this gives “climate science” a new chance to redeem itself by doing real impartial science to find the “truth” about our planet’s climate rather than provide the “proof” to the politicians in order to support a politically motivated agenda.
All in all, I would say that Ravetz’ essay is a “Trojan horse”. Its hidden agenda is to sell the concept that the impact of AGW could be so devastating that, despite the fact that we do not have all the scientific answers and facts, we must nevertheless act urgently to stop the potentially disastrous consequences.
This is the whole basis for his concept of “post-normal science”. This is a bogus concept, which does not pass the test of logic.
Ravetz tries to make his message palatable to AGW skeptics by starting out with accurate observations of what occurred to create Climategate, including “mea culpas” along the way.
But by rationalizing the difficulties encountered by the scientists and seeing this as the primary problem that eventually led to Climategate, Ravetz ignores the real root cause of the problem.
It is the politicians, not the scientists, that created AGW by setting up the IPCC and then purchasing the scientific community with public funding, in order to provide legitimacy for their political agenda.
The problem was not the limitations of “normal science”, which require the application of “post-normal science”, as Ravetz postulates, it is that the whole AGW craze was based on “agenda driven science”.
Max
And there, in a nutshell, is the problem with Prof. Ravetz’s approach to the philosophy of science: it’s all politics, colored by his own ideological preconceptions.
To preserve the integrity of the discipline, real scientists have to stay focused on “what should be going on,” because “what actually is going on” will too often undermine that integrity. If you find yourself mired in political problems, the solution is to climb out by rededicating yourself to first principles, not to dig even deeper into the political muck.
There are some, however, who find the political muck to their liking, and forget what science is supposed to be. I expect most here can come up with names.
/Mr Lynn
Tom Kennedy (05:43:20) :
“Just because the facts have demonstrated otherwise, that need not falsify their “truth” based on their experience of the situation, feelings and emotions. No one else has the right to say what their “truth” is. Their feelings are their truth…Truth is not a reflection of the facts but how I feel about things. The result is a favoured group is rewarded at the expense of others based on a nonsense theory and in exchange for political support.”
In an increasingly post modern world, normal science should be given an even greater importance, not less importance. It is the only really effective cultural tool that I can think of which can run counter to the post modern tendency of having all personal opinions about things validated by default.
Of course, feelings are extremely important- and I think that the post modernist rush to champion feelings over facts was maybe due to some kind of imbalance previously in Western culture where feelings weren’t really given their due (I wasn’t around in the 50’s, but shows like Leave it to Beaver kind of give me the impression that the former half of the 20th C probably wasn’t very touchy feely). 😉
These days people can have their own ideas about things and it’s all cool. But hard science should still be there to temper things, to be able to show a different result to the one that you think you will get. That’s the strength of normal science! Turning science into something which will automatically agree with whatever you’re trying to prove is the complete opposite of what it originally set out to do. That’s why the public is getting anxious over this Climategate stuff. We can understand that if this is all let to go on for too long, without criticism or reform, then we will have eventually told ourselves that no longer care, we will have lost the appreciation for this ability (given to us by science) to arrive at new knowledge independent of our current ideas about things. We will actually have lost the means of arriving at any new knowledge AT ALL because that scientific neutrality won’t be there to challenge our prior assumptions about things. That’s both frightening and very, very depressing. It’s also completely boring.
Normal science is important- even more so in a post normal world.
“then we will have eventually told ourselves that ‘WE’ no longer care”.
Sorry.
Sorry, but all this sounds too good to be true. An organization of unaffiliated intellectuals who are just out to see that “minority” views get a proper vetting. How egalitarian of them.
Is there any clear evidence that Post Normalists demanded such airing of skeptical viewpoints (certainly in the minority over the past three years) in the face of their own clearly-held AGW beliefs?
They just seem overly-intellectualized, disingenuous, and strangely passive (if they do not support active, “normal” experimentation, their comments are nothing more cotton candy spun up out of their own opinions). No, their writing is layer-upon layer of tasty philosophical fluff with little to sink one’s teeth into (notwithstanding Ravetze’s mantra-like repetition of PN tenets), designed (if that’s the word) to help further their extreme anti-development, progressive, AGW agenda. One needn’t read far amongst the musings of the PN homepage to find such comments as these, by regular contributor, Sylvia S. Tognetti :
Without knowing much about Mr. Ravetz’s personal convictions, other than that he seems to commend the “dialogue”, of late supported, moderated and inflected by technologies and blogs such as his is a good thing. If Mr. Ravetz has indeed changed his position on AGW recently, and now offers his (value-added) moderation in the service of challenging new discussion, one might suspect him and his blogging cohorts of being very smart, sharp-tongued, but decidedly disingenuous and unscientific (did she say 9 million mouths?!) policy analysts for hire. We have enough of those, as this one, which incubated our current head of NOAA, http://www.climatecentral.org/
I noticed Pat Frank (16:29:08) comment because I had a similar reaction. I think this part of the essay was poorly worded by Dr. Ravetz, because it is obvious he understands uncertainty. In fact, Ravetz was the originator of a notation system for uncertainty called NUSAP. I am not familiar with it but am wondering if Pat Frank is?
See http://www.jerryravetz.co.uk/biog.html and http://www.nusap.net/
manacker,
you make some good points. The confusion in my mind, is that Ravetz has given no clear description of what PNS is. From your wiki description, I guess he expects the reader to have an a priori knowledge of what he means. The question then, is how is this post normal science supposed to look? If we could rerun the tape, but use Ravetz’s PNS instead, what would the due process of science have looked like? In what ways would it have differed from what transpired?
MrLynn (10:05:22) :
tallbloke (09:38:26) :
The difference between the theory of science and the politics of science is that the former is the description of what should be going on, and the latter is the description of what actually is actually going on. . .
And there, in a nutshell, is the problem with Prof. Ravetz’s approach to the philosophy of science: it’s all politics, colored by his own ideological preconceptions.
To preserve the integrity of the discipline, real scientists have to stay focused on “what should be going on,” because “what actually is going on” will too often undermine that integrity. If you find yourself mired in political problems, the solution is to climb out by rededicating yourself to first principles, not to dig even deeper into the political muck.
Admirable sentiments, but the point is Jerry Ravetz is addressing the reality of the act that this isn’t what is actually happening. And it’s not just climate science. The interference of political, cultural, and other prejudices along with money issues has been embedded in the science actually practised by many scientists all the way through.
Examples:
C19th Craniology – the ‘science’ of determining intelligence from the measurement of peoples skulls. – Eventually fell out of favour when some black african tribes turned out to have bigger cranial capacities. So, onto the next one…
C20th IQ testing. Sir Cyril Burt and his crew of racists determining immigrant’s intelligence by asking them damnfool questions about U.S. Football teams. Eventually debunked, but still surprisingly well entrenched.
Of course, there is plenty of good science going on too, but when you look at the academic pharmaceutical research paid for by the big pharma companies for example, you’ll find another big money driven can of worms ripe for investigation.
I cold go on, but you get the picture, I hope. The long and the short of it is, you can’t seperate scientists from the culture they are embedded in. Much as they will protest their objectivity. A lot of the time it’s not a big problem, but as you can see from the above exmples, and what we’ve seen in climate science, it can turn into one.
It seems that ‘post-normal science’ is to ‘normal science’ what quantum mechanics was to Newtonian mechanics.
Now whilst the rules of quantum physics are intrinsically uncertain, it doesn’t mean science can’t be carried out within the new rules with due attention to rigour.
The scary scenario seems slightly misplaced to me.
‘Entry into a new plane of consciousness’ might describe things more accurately, do you think??
Irony is difficult to present in print. The tone of the voice and visual cues are not present.
David, Oliver, Indiana and Stephen seem to have missed the irony in the “totalitarian” paragraph. I didn’t see any yesterday.
And I still don’t. I dismissed that idea when I saw how well the totalitarian paragraph paired with the start of Paragraph 2.
In Para. 2 Ravetz says:
“This scandal, and the resulting crisis, was created by people within science who can be presumed to have been acting with the best of intentions. In the event of a serious discrediting of the global-warming claims, public outrage would therefore be directed at the community of science itself,”
Doesn’t the totalitarian paragraph agree?. He seems willing to accept a great deal of what can only be termed propaganda and error in order to support the edifice of policy commitments for Carbon Reduction.
Here is that paragraph again for the readers convenience.
“And what about the issue itself? Are we really experiencing Anthropogenic Carbon-based Global Warming? If the public loses faith in that claim, then the situation of science in our society will be altered for the worse. There is very unlikely to be a crucial experience that either confirms or refutes the claim; the post-normal situation is just too complex. The consensus is likely to depend on how much trust can still be put in science. The whole vast edifice of policy commitments for Carbon reduction, with their many policy prescriptions and quite totalitarian moral exhortations, will be at risk of public rejection. What sort of chaos would then result? The consequences for science in our civilisation would be extraordinary.”
I salute Ravetz for the essay and hope he responds to this very long stream of comments. He leaves no doubt that concealment, deception. and shoddy work in Science cannot be tolerated.
Too bad so clear about the rules, or lack of them, when Post-Normal Science deals with Carbon Reduction and more broadly with the management of uncertainties.
Dear Mr. Roger “tallbloke” Tattersall:
My apologies, your name was indeed in the lead post. I fear that I was too busy alternately puking and screaming from the puerile and dangerous sentiments expressed in that post to notice. My bad, no excuses. Thank you for the explanation.
With that out of the way, could you answer my questions (Willis Eschenbach (00:18:29)) now, Roger? Could you explain what “quality” is, and why we should pay any attention to it? Could you tell us why we should not kick poor widdle Phillie Jones when he is down? You have left a whole host of questions unanswered.
Thanks,
w.
PS – you say:
What is actually going on in the field of climate is not science by any stretch of the imagination. Hiding data and concealing methods and conspiring to marginalize people who disagree with you is not science at all. We don’t need to go forward to some new “science” built on “quality”. We need to go back to what science used to be.