I’m honored to offer this guest post by Jerome Ravetz, of Oxford University in the UK. Mr. Ravetz is an environmental consultant and professor of philosophy of science best known for his books challenging the assumptions of scientific objectivity, discussing the science wars and post-normal science. Read more about him at his personal web page here, his Oxford page here, or at his blog the Post-normal Times. Also, my thanks to WUWT regular “tallbloke” for his facilitation. – Anthony
Guest post by Jerome Ravetz
At the end of January 2010 two distinguished scientific institutions shared headlines with Tony Blair over accusations of the dishonest and possibly illegal manipulation of information. Our ‘Himalayan glaciers melting by 2035’ of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is matched by his ‘dodgy dossier’ of Saddam’s fictitious subversions. We had the violations of the Freedom of Information Act at the University of East Anglia; he has the extraordinary 70-year gag rule on the David Kelly suicide file. There was ‘the debate is over’ on one side, and ‘WMD beyond doubt’ on the other. The parallels are significant and troubling, for on both sides they involve a betrayal of public trust.
Politics will doubtless survive, for it is not a fiduciary institution; but for science the dangers are real. Climategate is particularly significant because it cannot be blamed on the well-known malign influences from outside science, be they greedy corporations or an unscrupulous State. This scandal, and the resulting crisis, was created by people within science who can be presumed to have been acting with the best of intentions. In the event of a serious discrediting of the global-warming claims, public outrage would therefore be directed at the community of science itself, and (from within that community) at its leaders who were either ignorant or complicit until the scandal was blown open. If we are to understand Climategate, and move towards a restoration of trust, we should consider the structural features of the situation that fostered and nurtured the damaging practices. I believe that the ideas of Post-Normal Science (as developed by Silvio Funtowicz and myself) can help our understanding.
There are deep problems of the management of uncertainty in science in the policy domain, that will not be resolved by more elaborate quantification. In the gap between science and policy, the languages, their conventions and their implications are effectively incommensurable. It takes determination and skill for a scientist who is committed to social responsibility, to avoid becoming a ‘stealth advocate’ (in the terms of Roger Pielke Jr.). When the policy domain seems unwilling or unable to recognise plain and urgent truths about a problem, the contradictions between scientific probity and campaigning zeal become acute. It is a perennial problem for all policy-relevant science, and it seems to have happened on a significant scale in the case of climate science. The management of uncertainty and quality in such increasingly common situations is now an urgent task for the governance of science.
We can begin to see what went seriously wrong when we examine what the leading practitioners of this ‘evangelical science’ of global warming (thanks to Angela Wilkinson) took to be the plain and urgent truth in their case. This was not merely that there are signs of exceptional disturbance in the ecosphere due to human influence, nor even that the climate might well be changing more rapidly now than for a very long time. Rather, they propounded, as a proven fact, Anthropogenic Carbon-based Global Warming. There is little room for uncertainty in this thesis; it effectively needs hockey-stick behaviour in all indicators of global temperature, so that it is all due to industrialisation. Its iconic image is the steadily rising graph of CO2 concentrations over the past fifty years at the Mauna Loa volcano in Hawaii (with the implicit assumption that CO2 had always previously been at or below that starting level). Since CO2 has long been known to be a greenhouse gas, with scientific theories quantifying its effects, the scientific case for this dangerous trend could seem to be overwhelmingly simple, direct, and conclusive.
In retrospect, we can ask why this particular, really rather extreme view of the prospect, became the official one. It seems that several causes conspired. First, the early opposition to any claim of climate change was only partly scientific; the tactics of the opposing special interests were such as to induce the proponents to adopt a simple, forcefully argued position. Then, once the position was adopted, its proponents became invested in it, and attached to it, in all sorts of ways, institutional and personal. And I suspect that a simplified, even simplistic claim, was more comfortable for these scientists than one where complexity and uncertainty were acknowledged. It is not merely a case of the politicians and public needing a simple, unequivocal message. As Thomas Kuhn described ‘normal science’, which (as he said) nearly all scientists do all the time, it is puzzle-solving within an unquestioned framework or ‘paradigm’. Issues of uncertainty and quality are not prominent in ‘normal’ scientific training, and so they are less easily conceived and managed by its practitioners.
Now, as Kuhn saw, this ‘normal’ science has been enormously successful in enabling our unprecedented understanding and control of the world around us. But his analysis related to the sciences of the laboratory, and by extension the technologies that could reproduce stable and controllable external conditions for their working. Where the systems under study are complicated, complex or poorly understood, that ‘textbook’ style of investigation becomes less, sometimes much less, effective. The near-meltdown of the world’s financial system can be blamed partly on naïvely reductionist economics and misapplied simplistic statistics. The temptation among ‘normal’ scientists is to work as if their material is as simple as in the lab. If nothing else, that is the path to a steady stream of publications, on which a scientific career now so critically depends. The most obvious effect of this style is the proliferation of computer simulations, which give the appearance of solved puzzles even when neither data nor theory provide much support for the precision of their numerical outputs. Under such circumstances, a refined appreciation of uncertainty in results is inhibited, and even awareness of quality of workmanship can be atrophied.
In the course of the development of climate-change science, all sorts of loose ends were left unresolved and sometimes unattended. Even the most fundamental quantitative parameter of all, the forcing factor relating the increase in mean temperature to a doubling of CO2, lies somewhere between 1 and 3 degrees, and is thus uncertain to within a factor of 3. The precision (at about 2%) in the statements of the ‘safe limits’ of CO2 concentration, depending on calculations with this factor, is not easily justified. Also, the predictive power of the global temperature models has been shown to depend more on the ‘story line’ than anything else, the end-of century increase in temperature ranging variously from a modest one degree to a catastrophic six. And the ‘hockey stick’ picture of the past, so crucial for the strict version of the climate change story, has run into increasingly severe problems. As an example, it relied totally on a small set of deeply uncertain tree-ring data for the Medieval period, to refute the historical evidence of a warming then; but it needed to discard that sort of data for recent decades, as they showed a sudden cooling from the 1960’s onwards! In the publication, the recent data from other sources were skilfully blended in so that the change was not obvious; that was the notorious ‘Nature trick’ of the CRU e-mails.
Even worse, for the warming case to have political effect, a mere global average rise in temperature was not compelling enough. So that people could appreciate the dangers, there needed to be predictions of future climate – or even weather – in the various regions of the world. Given the gross uncertainties in even the aggregated models, regional forecasts are really beyond the limits of science. And yet they have been provided, with various degrees of precision. Those announced by the IPCC have become the most explosive.
As all these anomalies and unsolved puzzles emerged, the neat, compelling picture became troubled and even confused. In Kuhn’s analysis, this would be the start of a ‘pre-revolutionary’ phase of normal science. But the political cause had been taken up by powerful advocates, like Al Gore. We found ourselves in another crusading ‘War’, like those on (non-alcoholic) Drugs and ‘Terror’. This new War, on Carbon, was equally simplistic, and equally prone to corruption and failure. Global warming science became the core element of this major worldwide campaign to save the planet. Any weakening of the scientific case would have amounted to a betrayal of the good cause, as well as a disruption of the growing research effort. All critics, even those who were full members of the scientific peer community, had to be derided and dismissed. As we learned from the CRU e-mails, they were not considered to be entitled to the normal courtesies of scientific sharing and debate. Requests for information were stalled, and as one witty blogger has put it, ‘peer review’ was replaced by ‘pal review’.
Even now, the catalogue of unscientific practices revealed in the mainstream media is very small in comparison to what is available on the blogosphere. Details of shoddy science and dirty tricks abound. By the end, the committed inner core were confessing to each other that global temperatures were falling, but it was far too late to change course. The final stage of corruption, cover-up, had taken hold. For the core scientists and the leaders of the scientific communities, as well as for nearly all the liberal media, ‘the debate was over’. Denying Climate Change received the same stigma as denying the Holocaust. Even the trenchant criticisms of the most egregious errors in the IPCC reports were kept ‘confidential’. And then came the e-mails.
We can understand the root cause of Climategate as a case of scientists constrained to attempt to do normal science in a post-normal situation. But climate change had never been a really ‘normal’ science, because the policy implications were always present and strong, even overwhelming. Indeed, if we look at the definition of ‘post-normal science’, we see how well it fits: facts uncertain,values in dispute, stakes high, and decisions urgent. In needing to treat Planet Earth like a textbook exercise, the climate scientists were forced to break the rules of scientific etiquette and ethics, and to play scientific power-politics in a way that inevitably became corrupt. The combination of non-critical ‘normal science’ with anti-critical ‘evangelical science’ was lethal. As in other ‘gate’ scandals, one incident served to pull a thread on a tissue of protective plausibilities and concealments, and eventually led to an unravelling. What was in the e-mails could be largely explained in terms of embattled scientists fighting off malicious interference; but the materials ready and waiting on the blogosphere provided a background, and that is what converted a very minor scandal to a catastrophe.
Consideration of those protective plausibilities can help to explain how the illusions could persist for so long until their sudden collapse. The scientists were all reputable, they published in leading peer-reviewed journals, and their case was itself highly plausible and worthy in a general way. Individual criticisms were, for the public and perhaps even for the broader scientific community, kept isolated and hence muffled and lacking in systematic significance. And who could have imagined that at its core so much of the science was unsound? The plausibility of the whole exercise was, as it were, bootstrapped. I myself was alerted to weaknesses in the case by some caveats in Sir David King’s book The Hot Topic; and I had heard of the hockey-stick affair. But even I was carried along by the bootstrapped plausibility, until the scandal broke. (I have benefited from the joint project on plausibility in science of colleagues in Oxford and at the Arizona State University).
Part of the historic significance of Climategate is that the scandal was so effectively and quickly exposed. Within a mere two months of the first reports in the mainstream media, the key East Anglia scientists and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change were discredited. Even if only a fraction of their scientific claims were eventually refuted, their credibility as trustworthy scientists was lost. To explain how it all happened so quickly and decisively, we have the confluence of two developments, one social and the other technical. For the former, there is a lesson of Post-Normal Science, that we call the Extended Peer Community. In traditional ‘normal’ science, the peer community, performing the functions of quality-assurance and governance, is strictly confined to the researchers who share the paradigm. In the case of ‘professional consultancy’, the clients and/or sponsors also participate in governance. We have argued that in the case of Post-Normal Science, the ‘extended peer community’, including all affected by the policy being implemented, must be fully involved. Its particular contribution will depend on the nature of the core scientific problem, and also on the phase of investigation. Detailed technical work is a task for experts, but quality-control on even that work can be done by those with much broader expertise. And on issues like the definition of the problem itself, the selection of personnel, and crucially the ownership of the results, the extended peer community has full rights of participation. This principle is effectively acknowledged in many jurisdictions, and for many policy-related problems. The theory of Post-Normal Science goes beyond the official consensus in recognising ‘extended facts’, that might be local knowledge and values, as well as unoffficially obtained information.
The task of creating and involving the extended peer community (generally known as ‘participation’) has been recognised as difficult, with its own contradictions and pitfalls. It has grown haphazardly, with isolated successes and failures. Hitherto, critics of scientific matters have been relegated to a sort of samizdat world, exchanging private letters or writing books that can easily be ignored (as not being peer-reviewed) by the ruling establishment. This has generally been the fate of even the most distinguished and responsible climate-change critics, up to now. A well-known expert in uncertainty management, Jeroen van der Sluijs, explicitly condemned the ‘overselling of certainty’ and predicted the impending destruction of trust; but he received no more attention than did Nikolas Taleb in warning of the ‘fat tails’ in the probability distributions of securities that led to the Credit Crunch. A prominent climate scientist, Mike Hulme, provided a profound analysis in Why We Disagree About Climate Change, in terms of complexity and uncertainty. But since legitimate disagreement was deemed nonexistent, he too was ignored.
To have a political effect, the ‘extended peers’ of science have traditionally needed to operate largely by means of activist pressure-groups using the media to create public alarm. In this case, since the global warmers had captured the moral high ground, criticism has remained scattered and ineffective, except on the blogosphere. The position of Green activists is especially difficult, even tragic; they have been ‘extended peers’ who were co-opted into the ruling paradigm, which in retrospect can be seen as a decoy or diversion from the real, complex issues of sustainability, as shown by Mike Hulme. Now they must do some very serious re-thinking about their position and their role.
The importance of the new media of communications in mass politics, as in the various ‘rainbow revolutions’ is well attested. To understand how the power-politics of science have changed in the case of Climategate, we can take a story from the book Here Comes Everybody by Clay Shirkey. There were two incidents in the Boston U.S.A. diocese of the Roman Catholic Church, involving the shuffling of paeodophile priests around parishes. The first time, there was a criminal prosecution, with full exposure in the press, and then nothing happened. The second time, the outraged parents got on their cell phones and organised; and eventually Cardinal Archbishop Bernard Francis Law (who had started as a courageous cleric in the ‘60’s) had to leave for Rome in disgrace. The Climategate affair shows the importance of the new IT for science, as an empowerment of the extended peer community.
The well-known principle, ‘knowledge is power’ has its obverse, ‘ignorance is impotence’. And ignorance is maintained, or eventually overcome, by a variety of socio-technical means. With the invention of cheap printing on paper, the Bible could be widely read, and heretics became Reformers. The social activity of science as we know it expanded and grew through the age of printing. But knowledge was never entirely free, and the power-politics of scientific legitimacy remained quite stable for centuries. The practice of science has generally been restricted to a social elite and its occasional recruits, as it requires a prior academic education and a sufficiency of leisure and of material resources. With the new information technology, all that is changing rapidly. As we see from the ‘open source’ movement, many people play an active role in enjoyable technological development in the spare time that their job allows or even encourages. Moreover, all over IT there are blogs that exercise quality control on the industry’s productions. In this new knowledge industry, the workers can be as competent as the technicians and bosses. The new technologies of information enable the diffusion of scientific competence and the sharing of unofficial information, and hence give power to peer communities that are extended far beyond the Ph.D.s in the relevant subject-specialty. The most trenchant and effective critics of the ‘hockey stick’ statistics were a University-employed economist and a computer expert.
Like any other technology, IT is many-faceted. It is easily misused and abused, and much of the content of the blogosphere is trivial or worse. The right-wing political agendas of some climate sceptics, their bloggers and their backers, are quite well known. But to use their background or motivation as an excuse for ignoring their arguments, is a betrayal of science. The blogosphere interacts with other media of communication, in the public and scientific domains. Some parts are quite mainstream, others not. The Climategate blogosphere is as varied in quality as any other. Some leading scholars, like Roger Pielke, Jr. have had personal blogs for a long time. Some blogs are carefully monitored, have a large readership and are sampled by the mainstream media (such as the one on which this is posted, Wattsupwiththat.com). Others are less rigorous; but the same variation in quality can be found in the nominally peer-reviewed scientific literature. Keeping up with the blogosphere requires different skills from keeping up with traditional literature; it is most useful to find a summarising blog that fits one’s special interests, as well as a loyal correspondent, as (in my case) Roger ‘tallbloke’ Tattersall.
Some mainstream publications are now saying nice things about the blogosphere. Had such sentiments been expressed a while ago, the critical voices might have had a public hearing and the Climategate scandal might have been exposed before it became entrenched so disastrously. And now the critical blogosphere does not need to be patronised. Like any extension of political power, whether it be the right to believe, to protest, to vote, to form trades unions, or to be educated, it can lead to instabilities and abuses. But now the extended peer community has a technological base, and the power-politics of science will be different. I cannot predict how it will work out, but we can be confident that corruptions built on bootstrapped plausibility will be less likely in the future.
There is an important philosophical dimension to Climategate, a question of the relation of personal scientific ethics to objective scientific facts. The problem is created by the traditional image of science (as transmitted in scientific education) as ‘value-free’. The personal commitments to integrity, that are necessary for the maintenance of scientific quality, receive no mention in the dominant philosophy of science. Kuhn’s disenchanted picture of science was so troubling to the idealists (as Popper) because in his ‘normal’ science criticism had hardly any role. For Kuhn, even the Mertonian principles of ethical behaviour were effectively dismissed as irrelevant. Was this situation truly ‘normal’ – meaning either average or (worse) appropriate? The examples of shoddy science exposed by the Climategate convey a troubling impression. From the record, it appears that in this case, criticism and a sense of probity needed to be injected into the system by the extended peer community from the (mainly) external blogosphere.
The total assurance of the mainstream scientists in their own correctness and in the intellectual and moral defects of their critics, is now in retrospect perceived as arrogance. For their spokespersons to continue to make light of the damage to the scientific case, and to ignore the ethical dimension of Climategate, is to risk public outrage at a perceived unreformed arrogance. If there is a continuing stream of ever more detailed revelations, originating in the blogosphere but now being brought to a broader public, then the credibility of the established scientific authorities will continue to erode. Do we face the prospect of the IPCC reports being totally dismissed as just more dodgy dossiers, and of hitherto trusted scientists being accused of negligence or worse? There will be those who with their own motives will be promoting such a picture. How can it be refuted?
And what about the issue itself? Are we really experiencing Anthropogenic Carbon-based Global Warming? If the public loses faith in that claim, then the situation of science in our society will be altered for the worse. There is very unlikely to be a crucial experience that either confirms or refutes the claim; the post-normal situation is just too complex. The consensus is likely to depend on how much trust can still be put in science. The whole vast edifice of policy commitments for Carbon reduction, with their many policy prescriptions and quite totalitarian moral exhortations, will be at risk of public rejection. What sort of chaos would then result? The consequences for science in our civilisation would be extraordinary.
To the extent that the improved management of uncertainty and ignorance can remedy the situation, some useful tools are at hand. In the Netherlands, scholars and scientists have developed ‘Knowledge Quality Assessment’ methodologies for characterising uncertainty in ways that convey the richness of the phenomenon while still performing well as robust tools of analysis and communication. Elsewhere, scholars are exploring methods for managing disagreement among scientists, so that such post-normal issues do not need to become so disastrously polarised. A distinguished scholar, Sheila Jasanoff, has called for a culture of humility among scientists, itself a radical move towards a vision of a non-violent science. Scientists who have been forced to work on the blogosphere have had the invaluable experience of exclusion and oppression; that could make it easier for them to accept that something is seriously wrong and then to engage in the challenging moral adventures of dealing with uncertainty and ignorance. The new technologies of communications are revolutionising knowledge and power in many areas. The extended peer community of science on the blogosphere will be playing its part in that process. Let dialogue commence!
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My thanks to numerous friends and colleagues for their loyal assistance through all the drafts of this essay. The final review at a seminar at the Institute of Science, Innovation and Society at Oxford University was very valuable, particularly the intervention from ‘the man in the bus queue’.
“We have argued that in the case of Post-Normal Science, the ‘extended peer community’, including all affected by the policy being implemented, must be fully involved.”
That is a quote which helps Ravetz and suggests that he is democratic rather than Marxist but I do wish his article did not contain so many contradictory components.
The trouble is that if all affected are to be involved then in the end one gets back to votes via one method or another.
Yet he refers to an extended peer community which is clearly not intended to be universally inclusive.
There is so much woolliness and inconsistency in the article that I’m now very unsure what he really is getting at and the variability shown in the reactions here shows that I am not alone.
I get the impression that all he might be doing is trying to protect PNS from the damage caused by climategate by seeking to include the blogosphere (but not the people at large) in consideration of the science and the proper social decisions to be made.
“The extended peer community of science on the blogosphere will be playing its part in that process. Let dialogue commence.”
So he is drawing us into PNS and inviting us to abandon normal science in return for our involvement being permitted.
However, as with government consultations there is no guarantee that the supporters of proper science will be listened to at all. They can always be trumped by sociological imperatives once they have been drawn into the quagmire.
In the end it’s a struggle for the means of production which in this case is ideas that can persuade or coerce the masses.
Interesting…
But good…
I am grateful he is calling for open dialogue, and his concerns will probably reach many people I have difficulty communicating with. Other then that the man’s intellect may well be superior to mine, but this may allow him to assimilate nonsense at a more eloquent rate.
I think this is an accurate well-written piece.
I’m not concerned that consideration of PNS is disquieting, I prefer to think the following encompasses the main tenets, to which I agree:
But his analysis related to the sciences of the laboratory, and by extension the technologies that could reproduce stable and controllable external conditions for their working.
When scientific study is done in an environment “without” stable and controllable external conditions, ie. holding all known variable imputs constant while altering the component in question, the analysis invariably requires statistics, sometimes complex and confounding. I believe this is what he means by:
Issues of uncertainty and quality are not prominent in ‘normal’ scientific training, and so they are less easily conceived and managed by its practitioners.
Yes, I have had Stat 300 or 400, 30 years ago. But when I try to understand the complex statistics involved in computer modeled analyses for example, at my age it’s easier to pour another glass of wine and do the crossword. In my work, I let someone else do the Stats. I think that the CO2 charade existed relatively uncontested until M&M at CA exposed the dubious statistics involved because for the mainstream scientist the statistics were taken at face value. Mann understood this and thought he could slide by with his convoluted gyrations. Too many scientists get tunnel vision , or tunnel education if you will, and not a well rounded education. Tallbloke was correct in relating Climate Science to genetic modification. How many policy makers, food scientists, animal husbandry or range scientists in the EU (or elsewhere) understand molecular genetics when making policy decisions involving soybeans? That fight went on for over five years. How many 6-headed pygmy megacentipedes have been discovered as a result of GM Soybeans?
IMHO, peer review in the future should not be relegated solely to “within the specific facet of science” peers, but inclusive of many degrees and especially a statistician to review every publication that contains stats.
And that’s my consensus (I have multiple personalities).
Makes me proud to be a “Redcoat”! Hope this excellent article is now published throughout the mainstream media. The analogy between the dishonesty of Blair and climategate, etc scandals is very apt. I would also compare the dishonesty of the British Parliament regarding fraudulent claims made by MPs (made me ashamed to be a “Readcoat”) with the equally deceitful management of the IPCC.
davidmhoffer (08:40:46) : Aristotle, Copernicus and Galileo all “discovered” that the earth circled the sun.
Oh, no. NOT Aristotle. Thanks to the ‘authority’ of Aristotle who insisted that the sun circled the earth, that heavier bodies fall faster than lighter bodies, that women have fewer teeth than men, and that objects only continue at a constant velocity if acted upon by a force, science was impeded for 2000 years.
Hopefully you mean Aristarchus of Samos – now he was a brilliant guy!
READ SLOWLY, AND PLEASE UNDERSTAND THE WORDS
“The whole vast edifice of policy commitments for Carbon reduction, with their many policy prescriptions and quite totalitarian moral exhortations, will be at risk of public rejection.””
FOCUS ON……totalitarian moral exhortations
Main Entry: ex·hor·ta·tion
Pronunciation: \ˌek-ˌsȯr-ˈtā-shən, -sər-; ˌeg-ˌzȯr-, -zər-\
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
1 : an act or instance of exhorting
2 : language intended to incite and encourage
HE CALLS THE GOAL OF CAGW ( EVERYTHING THE IPCC WANTS) and it use of language intended to incite and encourage” MORAL
How ele can one read this????
Ravetz puts his finger on a severe and intolerable shortcoming of modern academia. According to Ravetz, “Issues of uncertainty and quality are not prominent in ‘normal’ scientific training.”
One manifestation of this phenomenon is the failure of the IPCC climate models to express uncertainty in the projected outcomes of statistical events through use of ideas in probability theory and statistics. It can be shown that such a model is certain to fail, if tested, from making false assertions. However, the builders of these models express the indifference to the quality of the models which, according to Ravetz. is a feature of normal science by failing to make these models falsifiable. Thus, though these models are certain to fail if tested, they are insusceptible to being tested!
There is so much good in Professor Ravetz’s essay that it is a shame that he undermines his credibility by joining in the British mob in its rush to lynch Tony Blair. We know the Brits turned their back on their Empire decades ago and now try for moral superiority over their ancestors by decrying the methods of achieving and maintaining that Empire. It is no longer PC to point out that the Brits Empire still remains the most civilising influence in the history of the human race, especially if you count the USA as a spiin-off.
The Iraq situation, quite traceable to the Empire’s manipulations post-the Great War, forced the Brits to be involved in Iraq one way or another and then deal with recriminations later. Those hostile to the methods of Empire (American or Britain) have seized on the WMD issue, where the intelligence services of many nations and even generals under Saddam got it wrong. But they ignore the many other rationales for the recent Iraq War: Saddam’s invasions of Iran and Kuwait, his harboring of many known terrorists (eg, Abu Nidal, the big guy before Osama became the big guy), His tolerance (at a minimum) of the terrorist training camps of Ansar al Islam on Iraqi soil, his previous SCUD missile attacks on Israel, his proud offers of cash to the families of suicide bombers (on the order of $25K), his documented previous use of WMD’s (chemical) against his own Iraq people (albeit Kurds and Shia), his rape rooms, his mass graves, his hundreds of overt acts of war against the US and Brit planes legally enforcing the “no-fly” zones from the 1991 ceasefire, his kicking out the UN observers (why, if there was nothing to hide??)—(google Bill Clinton’s speech re Saddam in 1998 saying he has WMD’s and will use them and John Kerry’s speech in 1998 calling for “regime change in Iraq”), Sadam’s apparent assasination attempt in Kuwait against the first President Bush. In the context of the madmen in Iran now on the verge of nuclear weapons, with the UN-“imposed” sanctions regime already failing miserably in 2002, what would Saddam being doing now to keep the balance of power between him and the Iranian Mullahs??
Sorry to go on this tangent but Dr Revetz started it. My point is beware of allying with a Professor Revetz, who shows he cannot think with a hard head on the Iraq situation and instead takes fashionable potshots at the formerly much loved (by the left) Tony Blair ——who, BTW, is a big AGW supporter. Revetz may be a good writer who blows with the political winds. Now, in Britain at least, post-climategate,it is becoming a little cool to oppose Warming.
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Willis is right. Post modern science is as big a load of bull as the world wide AGW scare is. This is a terrible article. “my truth, my facts” Where is Aristotle when we need him? We need objective and replicable science which is a challenge when applied to as chaotic a system as climate. Once we have that we can talk about policy.
As for the numerous critics – you have certainly perceived this paper in a different light than I have. It seems to me that Ravetz is trying to explicate and identify the conditions that lead to the scientific behavior we now call “Climategate”, and not trying in any way to justify such behavior. I perceive his write up as being largey value neutral.
I fail to see that explaining is in any way justifying or advocating. “Trojan horse” for what exactly?
Would detailing all of the sins help in understanding the conditions that led to the sinning? Not for me.
I think much of the criticism says more about the inability of the critic to read something objectively, than it does about the author or the paper, and that inability is the same as the failure of “PNS” scientists, in nature if not in degree.
Hit job on McIntyre and his “fellow travelers” over at the Discover blog “intersection”
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2010/02/09/hitting-back-against-the-new-war-on-science/#comments
He defends not only the IPCCs use of language “intended to incite and encourage,” but it totalitarian methods, which he call moral.
I to tend to think that this individual is only unhappy that the IPCC is getting caught.
Sorry Tallbloke, but how can you spin his words differently.
Mathman – “The problem is not science. It is pseudo-science used for political ends”.
That’s ok for you and me. The problem Ravetz is dealing with is that the actors (Climatologists), the general public, the better part of the science community, and most of the establishment perceive it as science, and for most people perception is reality. When they awaken to your state of enlightment, then what happens.
Ravetz is trying to explicate the development of the delusion, the conditions that lead to such delusion, and suggest what the consequences of enlightment might be, and he has done a pretty good job.
Re Murray (09:18:20) : please read David A (09:09:00) : and tell me how else to read that statement.
@James Baldwin Delingpole (8:31:04)
“Guys, I think some of you may need to get your weaselry detectors fixed. Climategate happened because of Post Normal Science. Not despite it.”
Thank you James, somebody gets it.
People, this is NOT some newly thought up weasel justification for Climategate. The whole IPCC process and all the science associated with it, is post-normal science.
All of the CRU output, all of the IPCC machinations, the upwardly creeping temps, anything to do with the TEAM etc IS post-normal science, NOT science.
So any reference to it or appeal to it, can be dismissed out of hand. It is NOT science.
Kwinterkorn – “It is no longer PC to point out that the Brits Empire still remains the most civilising influence in the history of the human race, especially if you count the USA as a spiin-off”
GBShaw once observed that America was the first culture in history to have gone from barbarism to decadence without passing through civilization.
Looking through Mr Ravetz’ home page blog roll, I notice he lists as ‘science’ blogs: RealClimate, deSmogBlog, Deltoid, Stoat, Rabett Run, Gristmill, A’s [Al Gore’s] Journal, The Intersection, Climate Progress, Dot Earth, and many similar climate alarmist blogs, which do not willingly tolerate honest, polite, but skeptical comments.
Rather, they are one-sided propaganda organs for the IPCC, GISS, CRU and similar government agencies and co-opted professional organizations, and all accept the AGW hypothesis as a proven fact, despite the complete absence of any empirical evidence showing that a specific, measurable increase in human emitted CO2 results in a specific increase in global temperature.
Conspicuously absent from Revitz’ blog roll are the last two winners of the Weblog Awards for Best Science site, and top runners-up in the Science category of the Wiki blogs: WUWT and Climate Audit.
I enjoyed reading Mr Ravetz’ article. But I think he owes the readers here an explanation of why he fills his blog roll exclusively [as far as I could tell; I’m not familiar with every one of them] with climate alarmist blogs — while refusing to list the real science sites that sort out the truth by giving a platform to all points of view. The comments here show that contrary views are not censored. WUWT, unlike RC, etc., does not censor reasonable, polite, but opposing comments.
If the scales have truly fallen from Mr Ravetz’ eyes, and he now understands that the CO2=CAGW hypothesis is simply grant-driven propaganda couched as science, then he should, at the very least, have an equal number of scientific skeptics’ sites included in his blog roll.
There are plenty of them out there; see the WUWT blog roll [WUWT lists alarmist sites such as RealClimate, but the courtesy isn’t returned]. IMHO, such additions to his blog roll will be an excellent test of whether Mr Ravetz is sincere, or a chameleon.
Phil Jourdan (06:37:46) :
But science cannot be damaged by something being shown false. Neither can science be damaged by being shown as something you cannot believe in. The first is a normal function of science and the second would strengthen the position of it. Science is not a religion.
It’s a matter of framing. In the media science is portrayed as having authority. AGW “has” “the scientific concensus”, It has been published in the “peer reviewed literature”. Those are things that are useful to politicians, not to science. And it’s what our dear prof above wants to safeguard.
Anyway, I think it’s gratifying that the other side is bringing out some bigger guns. It means they’re at least a bit rattled. Read carefully, cheers.
Thanks for this post by Professor Jerome Ravetz of Oxford University.
His message confirms this sad fact:
An international alliance of politicians, publishers, and news media have formed a secret and unholy union to use science as a propaganda tool to control people.
This is the situation that former President Dwight D. Eisenhower warned about in his farewell address to the nation:
“The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present – and is gravely to be regarded.”
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ike.htm
1. It is no mere coincident when –
the BBC, CBS, NBC, PBS, Nature, Science, the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia, the US National Academy of Sciences, major newspapers, APS, ACS, AGU, major research institutions and universities, the Norwegian Nobel Committee, NASA, DOE, the UN’s IPCC, Al Gore, George Bush, Barack Obama, and the Met Office –
are all distributing the same misinformation:
2. Neutron repulsion – a nuclear energy source that is greater than fusion (H-bomb) or fission (A-bomb)- powers the Sun and generates solar luminosity, solar neutrinos and solar wind Hydrogen in the exact proportions observed – despite falsehoods from the above group [“Neutron repulsion confirmed as energy source”, Journal of Fusion Energy 20 (2002) 197-201].
http://www.omatumr.com/abstracts2003/jfe-neutronrep.pdf
3. The Sun is not a ball of Hydrogen – despite the NASA fiction that is distributed by our most prestigious research journals and the news media [“The Sun is a plasma diffuser that sorts atoms by mass”, Physics of Atomic Nuclei 69 (2006) 1847-1856]:
http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0609509v3
4. Solar neutrinos do not oscillate away – despite the DOE funded distortions published by one of the leading physics journals with more than 175 co-authors. [Bureaucrats do not realize that 175 real scientists will never have the same interpretation of a signal that is accompanied by an unknown background signal]:
http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0410460
5. Man-made CO2 does not control Earth’s variable climate. Earth’s heat source – the variable Sun quite naturally produces Earth’s variable climate [“Earth’s heat source – the Sun”, Energy & Environment 20 (2009) 131-144:
http://arxiv.org/pdf/0905.0704
With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
Emeritus Professor
Nuclear & Space Sciences
Former NASA PI for Apollo
I think this article is very enlightening … not because I agree with its contents, but because it gives us insight into the thinking of those who bought the whole AGW nonsense in the first place. Now they are trying to figure out why they were led astray. Of course, they haven’t moved from their base political and social views, so they need to re-invent the process that failed.
OTOH, we all need to understand that there will be times where complete knowledge is unavailable (and probably won’t become available for some time). In some areas of science and politics it will be reasonable to wait it out. In other case, like WMDs, there may be a need to make judgements.
For AGW we saw that political and social views were a big part in making personal judgements on the need for quick action. The same was true for WMDs. Both of these examples demonstrate just how this can lead to poor decisions. However, claiming that science needs to change because of this is illogical. Real science was never used in the first place. Science is not the baby that needs to be thrown out with the bathwater.
ScientistForTruth (09:07:58) :
davidmhoffer (08:40:46) : Aristotle, Copernicus and Galileo all “discovered” that the earth circled the sun.
Oh, no. NOT Aristotle.>
Proof of PNS! I made a mistake due to a common misconception that I would have propogated unintentionaly had it not been for the blogosphere correcting my error.
thanks for the correction scientistfortruth.
This cogent essay by Jerome Ravetz and the debate that it engages are extremely important. The abuse of climate science (and politically-driven abuse of other sciences) together with the violence perpetrated against honest dissenters, must be held in the spotlight of public scrutiny. The individuals responsible must not be allowed to slink anonymously into the shadows. Something analogous to the Nuremburg trials must be carried out in the public sphere, and MSM organisations complicit in the CAGW fiasco should not be allowed to ignore the process out of embarrassment at their own involvement.
If a more accountable and seriously professional structure of scientific research, more effective at finding truth, less corrupt, incestuous and cronyist, were to emerge as a result, this would be a valuable outcome.
“A distinguished scholar, Sheila Jasanoff, has called for a culture of humility among scientists, itself a radical move towards a vision of a non-violent science.”
Radical here is an understatement – revolutionary would cover it better. This is like asking for a culture of humility among boxers, popstars or African dictators. Sadly the particular type of Darwinian competition for science funding in many Western countries has resulted in favouring and selection of individuals who are grotesque self-publicists and self-praisers (as well as being repulsive bullies in their interpersonal conduct). Often scientists who can generate a supporting chorus from the MSM can more or less force funding bodies to finance them.
In science, somehow, everything must change.