I’m honored to offer this guest post by Jerome Ravetz, of Oxford University in the UK. Mr. Ravetz is an environmental consultant and professor of philosophy of science best known for his books challenging the assumptions of scientific objectivity, discussing the science wars and post-normal science. Read more about him at his personal web page here, his Oxford page here, or at his blog the Post-normal Times. Also, my thanks to WUWT regular “tallbloke” for his facilitation. – Anthony
Guest post by Jerome Ravetz
At the end of January 2010 two distinguished scientific institutions shared headlines with Tony Blair over accusations of the dishonest and possibly illegal manipulation of information. Our ‘Himalayan glaciers melting by 2035’ of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is matched by his ‘dodgy dossier’ of Saddam’s fictitious subversions. We had the violations of the Freedom of Information Act at the University of East Anglia; he has the extraordinary 70-year gag rule on the David Kelly suicide file. There was ‘the debate is over’ on one side, and ‘WMD beyond doubt’ on the other. The parallels are significant and troubling, for on both sides they involve a betrayal of public trust.
Politics will doubtless survive, for it is not a fiduciary institution; but for science the dangers are real. Climategate is particularly significant because it cannot be blamed on the well-known malign influences from outside science, be they greedy corporations or an unscrupulous State. This scandal, and the resulting crisis, was created by people within science who can be presumed to have been acting with the best of intentions. In the event of a serious discrediting of the global-warming claims, public outrage would therefore be directed at the community of science itself, and (from within that community) at its leaders who were either ignorant or complicit until the scandal was blown open. If we are to understand Climategate, and move towards a restoration of trust, we should consider the structural features of the situation that fostered and nurtured the damaging practices. I believe that the ideas of Post-Normal Science (as developed by Silvio Funtowicz and myself) can help our understanding.
There are deep problems of the management of uncertainty in science in the policy domain, that will not be resolved by more elaborate quantification. In the gap between science and policy, the languages, their conventions and their implications are effectively incommensurable. It takes determination and skill for a scientist who is committed to social responsibility, to avoid becoming a ‘stealth advocate’ (in the terms of Roger Pielke Jr.). When the policy domain seems unwilling or unable to recognise plain and urgent truths about a problem, the contradictions between scientific probity and campaigning zeal become acute. It is a perennial problem for all policy-relevant science, and it seems to have happened on a significant scale in the case of climate science. The management of uncertainty and quality in such increasingly common situations is now an urgent task for the governance of science.
We can begin to see what went seriously wrong when we examine what the leading practitioners of this ‘evangelical science’ of global warming (thanks to Angela Wilkinson) took to be the plain and urgent truth in their case. This was not merely that there are signs of exceptional disturbance in the ecosphere due to human influence, nor even that the climate might well be changing more rapidly now than for a very long time. Rather, they propounded, as a proven fact, Anthropogenic Carbon-based Global Warming. There is little room for uncertainty in this thesis; it effectively needs hockey-stick behaviour in all indicators of global temperature, so that it is all due to industrialisation. Its iconic image is the steadily rising graph of CO2 concentrations over the past fifty years at the Mauna Loa volcano in Hawaii (with the implicit assumption that CO2 had always previously been at or below that starting level). Since CO2 has long been known to be a greenhouse gas, with scientific theories quantifying its effects, the scientific case for this dangerous trend could seem to be overwhelmingly simple, direct, and conclusive.
In retrospect, we can ask why this particular, really rather extreme view of the prospect, became the official one. It seems that several causes conspired. First, the early opposition to any claim of climate change was only partly scientific; the tactics of the opposing special interests were such as to induce the proponents to adopt a simple, forcefully argued position. Then, once the position was adopted, its proponents became invested in it, and attached to it, in all sorts of ways, institutional and personal. And I suspect that a simplified, even simplistic claim, was more comfortable for these scientists than one where complexity and uncertainty were acknowledged. It is not merely a case of the politicians and public needing a simple, unequivocal message. As Thomas Kuhn described ‘normal science’, which (as he said) nearly all scientists do all the time, it is puzzle-solving within an unquestioned framework or ‘paradigm’. Issues of uncertainty and quality are not prominent in ‘normal’ scientific training, and so they are less easily conceived and managed by its practitioners.
Now, as Kuhn saw, this ‘normal’ science has been enormously successful in enabling our unprecedented understanding and control of the world around us. But his analysis related to the sciences of the laboratory, and by extension the technologies that could reproduce stable and controllable external conditions for their working. Where the systems under study are complicated, complex or poorly understood, that ‘textbook’ style of investigation becomes less, sometimes much less, effective. The near-meltdown of the world’s financial system can be blamed partly on naïvely reductionist economics and misapplied simplistic statistics. The temptation among ‘normal’ scientists is to work as if their material is as simple as in the lab. If nothing else, that is the path to a steady stream of publications, on which a scientific career now so critically depends. The most obvious effect of this style is the proliferation of computer simulations, which give the appearance of solved puzzles even when neither data nor theory provide much support for the precision of their numerical outputs. Under such circumstances, a refined appreciation of uncertainty in results is inhibited, and even awareness of quality of workmanship can be atrophied.
In the course of the development of climate-change science, all sorts of loose ends were left unresolved and sometimes unattended. Even the most fundamental quantitative parameter of all, the forcing factor relating the increase in mean temperature to a doubling of CO2, lies somewhere between 1 and 3 degrees, and is thus uncertain to within a factor of 3. The precision (at about 2%) in the statements of the ‘safe limits’ of CO2 concentration, depending on calculations with this factor, is not easily justified. Also, the predictive power of the global temperature models has been shown to depend more on the ‘story line’ than anything else, the end-of century increase in temperature ranging variously from a modest one degree to a catastrophic six. And the ‘hockey stick’ picture of the past, so crucial for the strict version of the climate change story, has run into increasingly severe problems. As an example, it relied totally on a small set of deeply uncertain tree-ring data for the Medieval period, to refute the historical evidence of a warming then; but it needed to discard that sort of data for recent decades, as they showed a sudden cooling from the 1960’s onwards! In the publication, the recent data from other sources were skilfully blended in so that the change was not obvious; that was the notorious ‘Nature trick’ of the CRU e-mails.
Even worse, for the warming case to have political effect, a mere global average rise in temperature was not compelling enough. So that people could appreciate the dangers, there needed to be predictions of future climate – or even weather – in the various regions of the world. Given the gross uncertainties in even the aggregated models, regional forecasts are really beyond the limits of science. And yet they have been provided, with various degrees of precision. Those announced by the IPCC have become the most explosive.
As all these anomalies and unsolved puzzles emerged, the neat, compelling picture became troubled and even confused. In Kuhn’s analysis, this would be the start of a ‘pre-revolutionary’ phase of normal science. But the political cause had been taken up by powerful advocates, like Al Gore. We found ourselves in another crusading ‘War’, like those on (non-alcoholic) Drugs and ‘Terror’. This new War, on Carbon, was equally simplistic, and equally prone to corruption and failure. Global warming science became the core element of this major worldwide campaign to save the planet. Any weakening of the scientific case would have amounted to a betrayal of the good cause, as well as a disruption of the growing research effort. All critics, even those who were full members of the scientific peer community, had to be derided and dismissed. As we learned from the CRU e-mails, they were not considered to be entitled to the normal courtesies of scientific sharing and debate. Requests for information were stalled, and as one witty blogger has put it, ‘peer review’ was replaced by ‘pal review’.
Even now, the catalogue of unscientific practices revealed in the mainstream media is very small in comparison to what is available on the blogosphere. Details of shoddy science and dirty tricks abound. By the end, the committed inner core were confessing to each other that global temperatures were falling, but it was far too late to change course. The final stage of corruption, cover-up, had taken hold. For the core scientists and the leaders of the scientific communities, as well as for nearly all the liberal media, ‘the debate was over’. Denying Climate Change received the same stigma as denying the Holocaust. Even the trenchant criticisms of the most egregious errors in the IPCC reports were kept ‘confidential’. And then came the e-mails.
We can understand the root cause of Climategate as a case of scientists constrained to attempt to do normal science in a post-normal situation. But climate change had never been a really ‘normal’ science, because the policy implications were always present and strong, even overwhelming. Indeed, if we look at the definition of ‘post-normal science’, we see how well it fits: facts uncertain,values in dispute, stakes high, and decisions urgent. In needing to treat Planet Earth like a textbook exercise, the climate scientists were forced to break the rules of scientific etiquette and ethics, and to play scientific power-politics in a way that inevitably became corrupt. The combination of non-critical ‘normal science’ with anti-critical ‘evangelical science’ was lethal. As in other ‘gate’ scandals, one incident served to pull a thread on a tissue of protective plausibilities and concealments, and eventually led to an unravelling. What was in the e-mails could be largely explained in terms of embattled scientists fighting off malicious interference; but the materials ready and waiting on the blogosphere provided a background, and that is what converted a very minor scandal to a catastrophe.
Consideration of those protective plausibilities can help to explain how the illusions could persist for so long until their sudden collapse. The scientists were all reputable, they published in leading peer-reviewed journals, and their case was itself highly plausible and worthy in a general way. Individual criticisms were, for the public and perhaps even for the broader scientific community, kept isolated and hence muffled and lacking in systematic significance. And who could have imagined that at its core so much of the science was unsound? The plausibility of the whole exercise was, as it were, bootstrapped. I myself was alerted to weaknesses in the case by some caveats in Sir David King’s book The Hot Topic; and I had heard of the hockey-stick affair. But even I was carried along by the bootstrapped plausibility, until the scandal broke. (I have benefited from the joint project on plausibility in science of colleagues in Oxford and at the Arizona State University).
Part of the historic significance of Climategate is that the scandal was so effectively and quickly exposed. Within a mere two months of the first reports in the mainstream media, the key East Anglia scientists and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change were discredited. Even if only a fraction of their scientific claims were eventually refuted, their credibility as trustworthy scientists was lost. To explain how it all happened so quickly and decisively, we have the confluence of two developments, one social and the other technical. For the former, there is a lesson of Post-Normal Science, that we call the Extended Peer Community. In traditional ‘normal’ science, the peer community, performing the functions of quality-assurance and governance, is strictly confined to the researchers who share the paradigm. In the case of ‘professional consultancy’, the clients and/or sponsors also participate in governance. We have argued that in the case of Post-Normal Science, the ‘extended peer community’, including all affected by the policy being implemented, must be fully involved. Its particular contribution will depend on the nature of the core scientific problem, and also on the phase of investigation. Detailed technical work is a task for experts, but quality-control on even that work can be done by those with much broader expertise. And on issues like the definition of the problem itself, the selection of personnel, and crucially the ownership of the results, the extended peer community has full rights of participation. This principle is effectively acknowledged in many jurisdictions, and for many policy-related problems. The theory of Post-Normal Science goes beyond the official consensus in recognising ‘extended facts’, that might be local knowledge and values, as well as unoffficially obtained information.
The task of creating and involving the extended peer community (generally known as ‘participation’) has been recognised as difficult, with its own contradictions and pitfalls. It has grown haphazardly, with isolated successes and failures. Hitherto, critics of scientific matters have been relegated to a sort of samizdat world, exchanging private letters or writing books that can easily be ignored (as not being peer-reviewed) by the ruling establishment. This has generally been the fate of even the most distinguished and responsible climate-change critics, up to now. A well-known expert in uncertainty management, Jeroen van der Sluijs, explicitly condemned the ‘overselling of certainty’ and predicted the impending destruction of trust; but he received no more attention than did Nikolas Taleb in warning of the ‘fat tails’ in the probability distributions of securities that led to the Credit Crunch. A prominent climate scientist, Mike Hulme, provided a profound analysis in Why We Disagree About Climate Change, in terms of complexity and uncertainty. But since legitimate disagreement was deemed nonexistent, he too was ignored.
To have a political effect, the ‘extended peers’ of science have traditionally needed to operate largely by means of activist pressure-groups using the media to create public alarm. In this case, since the global warmers had captured the moral high ground, criticism has remained scattered and ineffective, except on the blogosphere. The position of Green activists is especially difficult, even tragic; they have been ‘extended peers’ who were co-opted into the ruling paradigm, which in retrospect can be seen as a decoy or diversion from the real, complex issues of sustainability, as shown by Mike Hulme. Now they must do some very serious re-thinking about their position and their role.
The importance of the new media of communications in mass politics, as in the various ‘rainbow revolutions’ is well attested. To understand how the power-politics of science have changed in the case of Climategate, we can take a story from the book Here Comes Everybody by Clay Shirkey. There were two incidents in the Boston U.S.A. diocese of the Roman Catholic Church, involving the shuffling of paeodophile priests around parishes. The first time, there was a criminal prosecution, with full exposure in the press, and then nothing happened. The second time, the outraged parents got on their cell phones and organised; and eventually Cardinal Archbishop Bernard Francis Law (who had started as a courageous cleric in the ‘60’s) had to leave for Rome in disgrace. The Climategate affair shows the importance of the new IT for science, as an empowerment of the extended peer community.
The well-known principle, ‘knowledge is power’ has its obverse, ‘ignorance is impotence’. And ignorance is maintained, or eventually overcome, by a variety of socio-technical means. With the invention of cheap printing on paper, the Bible could be widely read, and heretics became Reformers. The social activity of science as we know it expanded and grew through the age of printing. But knowledge was never entirely free, and the power-politics of scientific legitimacy remained quite stable for centuries. The practice of science has generally been restricted to a social elite and its occasional recruits, as it requires a prior academic education and a sufficiency of leisure and of material resources. With the new information technology, all that is changing rapidly. As we see from the ‘open source’ movement, many people play an active role in enjoyable technological development in the spare time that their job allows or even encourages. Moreover, all over IT there are blogs that exercise quality control on the industry’s productions. In this new knowledge industry, the workers can be as competent as the technicians and bosses. The new technologies of information enable the diffusion of scientific competence and the sharing of unofficial information, and hence give power to peer communities that are extended far beyond the Ph.D.s in the relevant subject-specialty. The most trenchant and effective critics of the ‘hockey stick’ statistics were a University-employed economist and a computer expert.
Like any other technology, IT is many-faceted. It is easily misused and abused, and much of the content of the blogosphere is trivial or worse. The right-wing political agendas of some climate sceptics, their bloggers and their backers, are quite well known. But to use their background or motivation as an excuse for ignoring their arguments, is a betrayal of science. The blogosphere interacts with other media of communication, in the public and scientific domains. Some parts are quite mainstream, others not. The Climategate blogosphere is as varied in quality as any other. Some leading scholars, like Roger Pielke, Jr. have had personal blogs for a long time. Some blogs are carefully monitored, have a large readership and are sampled by the mainstream media (such as the one on which this is posted, Wattsupwiththat.com). Others are less rigorous; but the same variation in quality can be found in the nominally peer-reviewed scientific literature. Keeping up with the blogosphere requires different skills from keeping up with traditional literature; it is most useful to find a summarising blog that fits one’s special interests, as well as a loyal correspondent, as (in my case) Roger ‘tallbloke’ Tattersall.
Some mainstream publications are now saying nice things about the blogosphere. Had such sentiments been expressed a while ago, the critical voices might have had a public hearing and the Climategate scandal might have been exposed before it became entrenched so disastrously. And now the critical blogosphere does not need to be patronised. Like any extension of political power, whether it be the right to believe, to protest, to vote, to form trades unions, or to be educated, it can lead to instabilities and abuses. But now the extended peer community has a technological base, and the power-politics of science will be different. I cannot predict how it will work out, but we can be confident that corruptions built on bootstrapped plausibility will be less likely in the future.
There is an important philosophical dimension to Climategate, a question of the relation of personal scientific ethics to objective scientific facts. The problem is created by the traditional image of science (as transmitted in scientific education) as ‘value-free’. The personal commitments to integrity, that are necessary for the maintenance of scientific quality, receive no mention in the dominant philosophy of science. Kuhn’s disenchanted picture of science was so troubling to the idealists (as Popper) because in his ‘normal’ science criticism had hardly any role. For Kuhn, even the Mertonian principles of ethical behaviour were effectively dismissed as irrelevant. Was this situation truly ‘normal’ – meaning either average or (worse) appropriate? The examples of shoddy science exposed by the Climategate convey a troubling impression. From the record, it appears that in this case, criticism and a sense of probity needed to be injected into the system by the extended peer community from the (mainly) external blogosphere.
The total assurance of the mainstream scientists in their own correctness and in the intellectual and moral defects of their critics, is now in retrospect perceived as arrogance. For their spokespersons to continue to make light of the damage to the scientific case, and to ignore the ethical dimension of Climategate, is to risk public outrage at a perceived unreformed arrogance. If there is a continuing stream of ever more detailed revelations, originating in the blogosphere but now being brought to a broader public, then the credibility of the established scientific authorities will continue to erode. Do we face the prospect of the IPCC reports being totally dismissed as just more dodgy dossiers, and of hitherto trusted scientists being accused of negligence or worse? There will be those who with their own motives will be promoting such a picture. How can it be refuted?
And what about the issue itself? Are we really experiencing Anthropogenic Carbon-based Global Warming? If the public loses faith in that claim, then the situation of science in our society will be altered for the worse. There is very unlikely to be a crucial experience that either confirms or refutes the claim; the post-normal situation is just too complex. The consensus is likely to depend on how much trust can still be put in science. The whole vast edifice of policy commitments for Carbon reduction, with their many policy prescriptions and quite totalitarian moral exhortations, will be at risk of public rejection. What sort of chaos would then result? The consequences for science in our civilisation would be extraordinary.
To the extent that the improved management of uncertainty and ignorance can remedy the situation, some useful tools are at hand. In the Netherlands, scholars and scientists have developed ‘Knowledge Quality Assessment’ methodologies for characterising uncertainty in ways that convey the richness of the phenomenon while still performing well as robust tools of analysis and communication. Elsewhere, scholars are exploring methods for managing disagreement among scientists, so that such post-normal issues do not need to become so disastrously polarised. A distinguished scholar, Sheila Jasanoff, has called for a culture of humility among scientists, itself a radical move towards a vision of a non-violent science. Scientists who have been forced to work on the blogosphere have had the invaluable experience of exclusion and oppression; that could make it easier for them to accept that something is seriously wrong and then to engage in the challenging moral adventures of dealing with uncertainty and ignorance. The new technologies of communications are revolutionising knowledge and power in many areas. The extended peer community of science on the blogosphere will be playing its part in that process. Let dialogue commence!
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My thanks to numerous friends and colleagues for their loyal assistance through all the drafts of this essay. The final review at a seminar at the Institute of Science, Innovation and Society at Oxford University was very valuable, particularly the intervention from ‘the man in the bus queue’.
Here we go, Dutch Press finally printing it all:
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraaf.nl%2Fbinnenland%2F6003473%2F___Activisten_werkten_voor_IPCC___.html&sl=nl&tl=en
Having commented earlier in this thread, and expressed a somewhat caustic view of ‘Post Normal science’ I have selected a small selection of quotes I have gathered over the years which can be applied to climate science and it would appear, post normal science as well.
Bertrand Russell; “The fact that an opinion is widely held is no evidence whatsoever that it is not utterly absurd.”
Splendide mendax
“Glorious myths are those used for a good cause, i.e., splendide mendax (splendidly or gloriously false)”
“Men are apt to mistake the strength of their feeling for the strength of their argument. The heated mind resents the chill touch and relentless scrutiny of logic.” William E. Gladstone”
A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can count on a lot of support from Paul.”
– George Bernard Shaw
“Scepticism is the highest of duties, and blind faith the one unpardonable sin.”So wrote Thomas Huxley
Nietzsche wrote: ” The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments.”
“Max Planck said: “A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.”
“As Thomas Kuhn put it in The Road Since Structure: “… – individuals committed to one interpretation or another sometimes defended their viewpoint in ways that violated their professed canons of professional behaviour. I am not thinking primarily of fraud, which was relatively rare. But failure to acknowledge contrary findings, the substitution of personal innuendo for argument, and other techniques of the sort were not. Controversy about scientific matters sometimes looked much like a cat fight.”
“Only two things are infinite – the universe and human stupidity. And I’m not so sure about the former.” Albert Einstein”
“It is our attitude toward free thought and free expression that will determine our fate. There must be no limit on the range of temperate discussion, no limits on thought. No subject must be taboo. No censor must preside at our assemblies.”
~William O. Douglas, U.S. Supreme Court Justice, 1952
”The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.”
~H.L. Mencken
One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. it is simply too painful to acknowledge — even to ourselves — that we’ve been so credulous.” Carl Sagan
“Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled.” Michael Crichton
Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.
-Albert Einstein
The great Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius’ dictum bears repeating:
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.”
“Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we’re being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I’m liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That’s what’s insane about it.”
John Lennon
Tonyb
Willis Eschenbach (23:53:22).
I thoroughly agree with you Willis. Just the science please, and just the truth. I find these attempts to psychoanalyze what the Hockey Team and others did as diversions from the facts. They lied, cheated and distorted to gain their ends. There are plenty of valid words in our language to describe their actions, without developing new ones, or trying to fit it into some nebulous theory. PNS? Science is science, good or bad. The author has his own theories and agenda, and as some have commented, is using the current AGW debate to promote these.
I am the man on the Clapham Omnibus. I want the truth, as near proven fact as possible. I don’t want the politics, I don’t want the philosophical arguments, I don’t want the excuses, just the truth please.
The failures of Climategate went beyond those of science, which can be explained by the fact that the “scientists” involved in the scandal were really bureaucrats – zero imagination, but an aggressive lust for funding and prestige.
As Mark Steyn has pointed out, the worst failure was mainstream media’s, which obstinately refused to acknowledge anything important was going on as both the politics and the science of AGW collapsed in a pile. The public pressure to fix the science was lacking, because the public’s watchdogs were in fact (Steyn’s word) poodles of the climate elites.
See “Climategate and the ideology of news”:
http://vulgarmorality.wordpress.com/2010/02/08/climategate-and-the-ideology-of-news/
Stephen Wilde (06:22:43) :
He nails himself to the mast here:
“The whole vast edifice of policy commitments for Carbon reduction, with their many policy prescriptions and quite totalitarian moral exhortations, will be at risk of public rejection. What sort of chaos would then result?”
i.e. He favours totalitarianism as a remedy for the problems envisaged in his perceived world view. Anything else would lead to chaos.
Are you being thick for a bet or something here Stephen?
Or is your irony meter needing a coin? 😉
I don’t think I’ve ever seen Willis Eschenbach so angry. Even Al Gore didn’t manage that.
I admit that the Prof’s essay is difficult to deconstruct, but I tend to agree with Willis on this. If Jerome is trying to argue that normal science must give way to post normal – and there are direct quotes to that effect – then I would condemn that position unreservedly. Willis is quite right. There is only one way to do science – the normal way. And if those at CRU have not been doing it, they should be criticized, not told to do someone’s whacky idea of “post normal” science.
I only came across the concept of post-normal science” last year and was puzzled by it because it seems a two-faced, have-it-both-ways ideology to me. It purports to be an analytical and objective description of the state of climatology at the same time as promoting the very defects that it identifies as undermining and politicising science.
Mike Hulme is a particularly blatent example of this type of two-faced philosopher. (He is neither philosopher nor scientist to my mind, merely an opportunist, but that’s by the by.)
On the one hand “Post-Normal Urgency” is THE ideology of green interventionists that attracts them to the Tyndall Centre at UEA, where Hulme is guru. On the other hand in the guise of objective sociological analyst, Mike Hulme seemlessly flows into “Don’t-Shoot-Me-I’m-Only-The-Messenger!” mode, identifies the dangers of the politicisation of science, and is the first to call for the resignation of poor Phil Jones who only provided the ammunition Tyndall fired!
Wow! That ”post-Normal Science” is some elastic ideology! Right or wrong, it seems it’s always on the winning side!
I read Ravetz’s essay with, I can almost say “enjoyment” until I reached the penultimate para.
“Are we really experiencing Anthropogenic Carbon-based Global Warming? If the public loses faith in that claim, then the situation of science in our society will be altered for the worse.
That is a complete non-sequitur. Why should Science Itself be in danger because people insist on evidence rather than consensus as the basis for policy?
Ravetz’s description of what has happenened recently re “climatechangeism” and the blogospere is correct. Outsiders HAVE influenced the game. We don’t know yet if they will eventually effect the abandonment of “climatechangeism” as the dominant ideology of climatology. If they do it will NOT be because they have enbraced “post-normal science” but because they have dragged science back to basics.
The “concept” of post-normal science” is VERY, VERY elastic. Beware of all who promote its values it in the guise of merely analysing it! I’m not so sure Ravetz is such a catch, Anthony!
I am in agreement with Willis Eschenbach that Ravetz’s post is dangerous nonsense, and with other commentators about the strange and contradictory conclusion that chaos in public policy due to loss of faith in global warming is to be feared. Since Ravetz is a Kuhnian philosopher, my question is, what is supposed to have been the crisis in normal climate science that precipitated the emergence of post-normal science? What paradigms drove the questions being asked in “normal” climate science? It appears to me that there was no intrinsic “crisis” with unanswerable questions and uncertainty of facts and crisis in confidence in understanding. Climate science is by definition chaotic, and involves a search for cycles or patterns, and explanations for the causes of these phenomena. It is recognized in meteorology that much remains unknown – hardly a crisis situation! Indeed, climate science involves so many different areas of expertise including astronomy, meteorology, geology, biology, chemistry, and physics, that it can not even really be claimed that a consistent and recognizable independent discipline has emerged, let alone developed a normative paradigm. Perhaps we are looking at “pre-normal” science, or a protoscience.
For Ravetz to claim that what climate science has been characterized by is post-normal science presupposes a paradigm shift is occurring. Would someone please tell me what older theoretical constructs and explanatory devices are being rejected, aside from “climate as normal” in the global warming scam? The entire crisis was manufactured due to a much more important (and real, as opposed to imagined) shift, the embracing by scientists and activists of a new, and frankly post-Christian world-view that sees humanity, its actions and effects as a problem that needs to be mitigated, and especially in its industrial manifestations. This shift has nothing to do with the intrinsic practices, techniques, skill-sets, or modes of explanation of the sciences that are involved, although it did shift the focus of certain practitioners to new questions, but tellingly, ones that the leaders in this new regime (I will not honour it with the name ‘paradigm) already ‘knew’ the answers to. This is not science, normal or post-normal. This is chicanery.
Ravetz has some very strange bedfellows. Mike Hulme for one, with the IPCC, as I’ve shown. But his principles allow all sorts of interest groups and political agents to bend science into their service. What about bringing science under the control of Islam? No kidding? I kid you not: Mohd Hazim Shah’s paper ‘Contemporary Muslim Intellectuals and Their Responses to Modern Science and Technology’ in Studies in Contemporary Islam Volume 3 Number 2 Fall 2001:
“Sardar, like a conservative Muslim, insists that development, including the development of modern science and technology, should come under the purview of the Islamic faith. Sardar’s so-called Islamic critique of science is really a Western critique of science dressed in Islamic lingo. In fact, his numerous references to Western critics of science, such as Roszak, Jerome Ravetz, Marcuse, and others—the gurus of the counterculture movement of the 1970s—betray the Western origins of his critique of science…His close association, and in some cases collaboration, with Jerome Ravetz is of some interest in this regard, especially when we note Ravetz’s status as a major critic of science in Britain in the 1970s…”
As I noted in my post on this last October
http://buythetruth.wordpress.com/2009/10/31/climate-change-and-the-death-of-science/
we had already been warned about Ravetz in the 1987 work ‘Changing Powers of the Political’, which stated
“From the perspective of Anglo-American liberalism it seems easy enough to…point out that the old predictions of the British Marxist J.D. Bernal about the triumph of basic research under socialism have proved hopelessly wrong, and that the demands of J.R. Ravetz of the University of Leeds that science be made instrumental and moral will destroy the enterprise whatever its short-term benefits.”
Sociologists have also been looking at the phenomenon. This is what Steve Fuller, Professor of Sociology at University of Warwick, UK, has to say in ‘Universities and the future of knowledge governance from the standpoint of social epistemology’:
“…the original finalizationist proposal to harness mature science for the public good metamorphosized into an invitation for various interest groups to define more explicitly what is truly ‘useful and beneficial’…What Jerome Ravetz originally called ‘post-normal science’ has now turned into ‘science made to order’. In this brave new world, the Achilles Heel of Nazi and Soviet science was ‘merely’ the prematurity with which science has been applied to policy…”
Folks: you embrace Ravetz at your own risk. He is a Trojan horse.
Yes, the AGW folks do see themselves as a “pure science” according to Michael Tobis. In this futerra.uk, PR piece, rules of the game, the authors make their views clear for all to read…
There is plenty of evidence
relating to attitudes towards and
behaviour on climate change,
general environmental behaviour
change and the whole issue
of sustainable development
communication. As we reviewed
the research for these principles,
one ‘überprinciple’ emerged:
“Changing attitudes
towards climate change is
not like selling a particular
brand of soap – it’s like
convincing someone to
use soap in the first place.”
I thought the word “uberprinciple” was out of vogue? This document is in the FOIA files and was printed in 2005. Who in their right mind would have let this whole brochure and the follow up: New Rules; New Game, which spouts the same PNS blather, go to the printers? These folks are eliteists. That is the long and the short of it. What a sham…
I see that wiki says of Jerome Ravetz ” His first book was an early attempt to shift the philosophy of science from epistemology to the social and ethical aspects of science.”
Precisely!
Epistemology is the study of “theories of knowledge”. Effectively it means “how do we know what we think we know?”
Ravetz’s agenda is to redefine not just the scientific method but knowledge itself. I don’t wish to descend into Cold War politics, but Marxism is not a proper basis for understanding the natural world. It should confine itself to moral philosophy and political science.
Jerome Ravetz and Mike Hulme think they have found a way to advance their political ideals via the weak underbelly of science – “environmental Studies”.
This highlights the dangers of consensus
tallbloke (07:08:05)
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I don’t normally read things wrongly but I suppose it can happen.
What do you think he means ?
He seems concerned about the possibility of rejection and the chaos that would (in his opinion) result.
“Can’t you folks see that Ravetz is a Trojan horse?”
I guess some of you have skim-read the original article (it is kind of long!) and failed to see Ravetz’s point. In effect you are blaming the messenger for the message. He is describing the development of post-normal science as a problem, and he seems keen that the blogosphere can act as a corrective.
PNS is an ironical way of describing shoddy science done for political reasons.
I have not quoted anyone before but I think I should put the “pure science” in context. This paragraph is taken out of a longer post, one of many from over at The Blackboard on Feb. 4th, 2010. The thread was called: How Not To Respond…, Michael Tobis, comment #32107 @10:42.
“You will find these behaviors do not exist in medicine or engineering, from which quarters many of the complaints we get emerge. This makes perfect sense. The culture of climate science emerged as a pure science, mostly curiosity-driven. As far as the culture at large was concerned, it was an affordable eccentricity, not an important branch of research. When this field discovered matters of serious importance, it became an applied and controversial discipline with the traditions of a modest and collegial scientific backwater. This is what you are seeing, and what you are interpreting as a vast conspiracy.”
As I am now aware of PNS… I think this qualifies.
Royal Dutch Science Academy is going to evaluate UN IPCC AR-4
Snow job or serious clean-up?
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Willis Eschenbach (23:53:22) :
Willis has found the skunk in the cellar. If something is either pre or post “normal” – it ain’t normal in my book.
It took 45 years for science to discredit the Piltdown Hoax. It should take half as long to discredit this one.
I’m really glad Antony posted this piece – but for the debate it has provoked following Willis’s genius intervention (and prefigured by that wise remark about the Trojan horse), rather than for anything in Prof Ravetz’s article. Guys, I think some of you may need to get your weaselry detectors fixed. Climategate happened because of Post Normal Science. Not despite it.
What is so dangerous about this is the tag ‘Science’. Dangerous to the general public as they will attach the respect they have for Science in general with ‘post-normal’ as in ‘post normal Science’. The IPCC will bend it so that they can claim that their reports are pier reviewed and comply with ‘Post Normal Science’ practices. THe AGW Story is fraud. The second they decided they would not honor the F.O.I.s, we didn’t step into a ‘post normal Science’ but fraud. As in a distortion of the process of Science and the law. Izzard went on about how cool it would be to have a maneuver named after you…like the Heimlich Maneuver. I think that is what we have here: the CRU Maneuver (around, under, over the normal process). it is not a new method of Science and yields no insight into the basic hard science. The AGW story is a system of organized fraud. By the way: For those in/from Oxford, it’s not ‘passenger on the Omnibus’ but ‘Town’ as in ‘Gown Vs. Town’.
Tom (08:17:24) :
When this field discovered matters of serious importance, it became an applied and controversial discipline with the traditions of a modest and collegial scientific backwater. This is what you are seeing, and what you are interpreting as a vast conspiracy.”
Tom, there is no vast conspiracy. Just as there was none in the rush to Sutter’s Mill, in 1849. The difference is only that today’s rush is heralded by the cry, “There’s gold in climate science!”
I’m not certain which is more fascinating. The article or the discussion that it promotes!
But I think that the length of the article and the wordiness (eloquent though it may be) contribute to discussions wandering off the main points which might potentially get lost. Post Normal Science, for good or ill, is with us to stay, AND IS NOT NEW. Ravetz made some important points as to why:
1. Knowledge is power. I got long bows and you got short swords, I win. I got nuclear weapons and you got conventional, I win.
2. Knowledge exploits ignorance. Those who could not read accepted the interpretation of the authoritative text by the priesthood who could. It mattered not what the text really said if the priesthood wanted to build an army and march off to war. It mattered only that the masses believe.
3. Knowledge stems from science. The great scientists of history were generally associated with powerful monarchies or priesthoods. Only they had the resources to assemble reference libraries and fund original research, until the printing press was invented.
4 Knowledge advances and retreats. Aristotle, Copernicus and Galileo all “discovered” that the earth circled the sun. Post Normal Science emerged even then. Galileo was funded by the priesthood whose power was threatened by his science. They threatened him, and assembled legions of other scientists to use his own data to “prove” him wrong.
5. Wide spread knowledge defeats exploitation of ignorance. The invention of the printing press and wide spread literacy led to the Reformation. The priesthood was no longer the sole authority on what the book said.
6. The equivalence between AGW and MWD is apt, because for the purposes of this discussion it does not matter which is right and which is wrong. It only matters what the masses believe at the time decisions are made. The Manhatten Project was nearly scuttled because so many scientists claimed it would not work. It took a letter signed by Einstein amongst others to get it funded and get to a nuclear weapon before the enemy did. The decision was made by politicians who understood neither side of the argument, but urgent action was required should Einstein et al be correct and the enemy succeed first.
7. As knowledge advances and retreats, so does credibility. The priesthood lost credibility because the earth really did circle the sun, and the book didn’t say to raise an army. Science will lose credibility if AGW theories are proven to be false, particularly if they were deliberately false to control the masses. 100 years from now the politicians, scientists and the priests will all still be around trying to control the lives of others… BUT;
8. The knowledge, data, and analysis will be available to all, yet PNS will be ascendant. You can explain to a 6 year old how the seasons work with nothing but a globe and a flashlight. You can explain how a nuclear explosion is triggered, and any 2nd year physics student can follow along. You can publish your paper on some subtlety of quantum physics that everyone on the planet can read, but perhaps a few dozen can understand. Science will create knowledge will create power. But PNS will decide if Galileo will be executed, if the Manhatten Project will be funded, if Iraq will be invaded and if carbon will be taxed.
Dont think I like these new-speak scientists.
I like the old school.
-Lindzen.
-Christie.
-Spencer
yupp. Thats what I like.
People I can thrust.
People with integrity.
Scientists. Old school.
“If the public loses faith in that claim, then the situation of science in our society will be altered for the worse.”
I think the man is schizophrenic, he writes an essay on the many problems and assumptions of AGW science, expressing that the uncertainties are far greater then presented, and then says it would be tragic if people actually doubted the need to restructure the world over AGW.
“There is very unlikely to be a crucial experience that either confirms or refutes the claim;”
Ok, the author is now back to doubting the science, and he muddies the water with non scientific words like “experience” instead of “experiment” If we get back to observations and testing we may be able to prove or disproof the CAGW theory. Lindzen and others are working in this direction.
“the post normal situation is too complex”
what the he-double hockey stick is this?. Yes, climate may very well be a chaotic process, very hard to predict, currently the unknowns out weigh the known’s. This is quite normal in “science”.
“The consensus is likely to depend on how much trust can still be put in science.”
Fortunately it now appears that the consensus will depend on how open the science becomes, and then what that open science reveals.
“The whole vast edifice of policy commitments for Carbon reduction, with their many policy prescriptions and quite totalitarian moral exhortations, will be at risk of public rejection.”
Sir, please change “moral exhortations” to immoral extortions”, and add fortunately after “will” and I will agree with this.
An excellent paper on a complex subject. I join Theo Goodwin in feeling it would have been more complete if the question of “modelling” and the use of models (especially in the absence of good data) for the basis of “scientific conclusion” had been dealt with also.
Excerpt
” The right-wing political agendas of some climate sceptics, their bloggers and their backers, are quite well known. But to use their background or motivation as an excuse for ignoring their arguments, is a betrayal of science.”
True. However it would be nice if they would keep their political leanings to themselves and restrict their comments to the subject at hand. I know that is a difficult thing to ask of idealogues, but one can always wish.
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I am a mathematician. Old joke from grad school: “what is the difference between an unprovable theorem and a trivial theorem? The unprovable one is one I haven’t figured out yet.”
Has everyone lost sight of what was once understood to be science?
A phenomenon is observed. A curious person looks for some theory which will predict future occurrences of that phenomenon. If the theory is good, the phenomenon will occur as predicted. If the theory is bad, something else will happen.
Example: Halley and his prediction of the return of “his” comet. Had he been wrong, who would have listened to him again?
Example: Semmelweis and infant mortality. After he was driven out of medicine, his procedures were finally instituted and infant mortality plunged.
Example: Pasteur and the spontaneous generation of life. Come on, he said, I will tell you exactly how to set up your independent observation.
To label the AGW movement as scientific is false. Anthony’s earliest objections were that he was unable to see the computer model and unable to see the data which was used. The AGW of the IPCC is of the same order as the offers to sell the secret of antigravity for a million dollars. Or the proffer of some mystic South American herb which will cure, well, everything.
Big secret. The world is complex.
Second big secret: studying one phenomenon, while ruling out all but one or two suspected causes, is extremely difficult.
Third big secret: researchers in many fields are very poorly trained in statistics. Not only do they not know how to collect data in a solid forensic matter, but they do not know what to do with what they have found.
I have repeatedly observed this in the “social science” of educational research.
Fourth big secret: the thin film of atmosphere around the Earth is very large, subject to a number of influences, and not yet understood in a predictive way. I am sitting here in a hundred-year blizzard, which was not predicted even one month ago. Predicting what will happen in 50 or 100 years may someday be possible. But we have to get past five days first.
The problem is not science. It is pseudo-science used for political ends.