Ummm Charles, about that train thingy you arrived on…

From the UK Express

PRINCE CHARLES ON CLIMATE CHANGE: GLOBAL WARMING SCEPTICS ARE ALL LIARS

Charles, who has campaigned on global warming for more than 20 years, said: “I have watched with growing dismay and alarm the glee with which the sceptics have leapt upon the recent news stories that question the science that climate change is man-made and suggesting it is nothing more than a myth.

Prince Charles: ‘I’m not willing to play Russian Roulette over climate change’

“Well, if it is but a myth, and the global scientific community is involved in some sort of conspiracy, why is it then that around the globe sea levels are more than six inches higher than they were 100 years ago?

“This isn’t an opinion – it is a fact.”

He added: “And, ladies and gentlemen please be in no doubt that the evidence of long-term and potentially irreversible changes to our world is utterly overwhelming.”

Charles spoke after arriving in Manchester by Royal Train pulled by a coal-fired steam locomotive, named the Tornado, which was rebuilt from a 1948 design.

Read the entire article at the UK Express


First let me say that I like trains. But Charles apparently has no clue about how such a pronouncement might be viewed by commoners when he’s apparently doing nothing to curb his own carbon footprint. Will Jim Hansen denounce him for riding on a  coal powered “death train”?

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01299/train-york_1299795i.jpg
The Royal Train - click for more - image from the Telegraph

Charles also seems to think that sea level is a static feature of our dynamic Earth. Here’s a few reminders about sea level change the prince probably hasn’t discussed in polite conversations. He might also benefit from a visit to Israel, where sea level has been variable for the last 2500 years.

File:Post-Glacial Sea Level.png
Image: Global Warming Art

Here’s the last 9000 years which appear almost flat in the graph above due to scale used:

File:Holocene Sea Level.png
Image: Global Warming Art

In our current era, while sea level has in fact been rising, continuing the trend started thousands of years ago, it recently appears to have slowed a bit:

Image: University of Colorado

Clearly we live in the golden age of relative stability, but Earth is very seldom that way. The rise of  man just happened to get lucky…thanks to a warming world.

But who to believe, a coal powered prince or your own lying eyes?

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February 4, 2010 11:57 pm

What a complete tosser. I thought he’d drowned in the rising seas of infidelity long ago.
Long live the Republic.

Methow Ken
February 5, 2010 12:01 am

Long live the Republic.

R James
February 5, 2010 12:06 am

Bonnie Charlie hasn’t a clue. He’s certainly not talking about Sydney Australia. Our sea level has increased 8mm in the last 25 years, and nothing in the past 4 years.
However, the real crunch is the simple fact that, generally, it’s been rising for 20,000 years. Those nasty humans should have done something about it then.

Mick (Down Under)
February 5, 2010 12:07 am

Onion (23:30:27) :
This is all about in-breeding – you can’t get smart, even with a terrific education, if you’re the spawn of a highly restricted gene pool. The Royals have bred themselves into dimwittery – it seems appropriate for the age
Bollocks

Ken Harvey
February 5, 2010 12:12 am

Don’t mock the man, a simpleton who has been taken in by able fraudsters. I know far too many people better blessed with intellect than he, who have been taken in, hook line and sinker, by the same fraudulent theorists.
Forget the simpletons: concentrate on those just a little higher up the mental scale. Those who have enough brain cells to grasp the concept that CO2 absorbs some heat. People like simple concepts that they can readily grasp. Complicated arguments go past people: one gets a more thoughtful reaction to, “not all of the CO2 goes up into the stratosphere – it is half as heavy again as air – a large part stays near the ground where it can feed the trees”. Not good enough for scientists, but it is not so much them, as voters, that need convincing.

Jack Hughes
February 5, 2010 12:12 am

The royals have already passed peak DNA. Time to ‘hide the decline’.

Jason Argonaut
February 5, 2010 12:14 am

Long live the Queen!

Boudu
February 5, 2010 12:15 am

Whatever you US folks may think about your President you get the chance to vote him out every four years. We’re stuck with this prat.
I know that’s ad hom but with an unelected potentate it’s the only recourse we have.
Bring on the Republic.

kadaka
February 5, 2010 12:19 am

[snip -ott]

Paul Y
February 5, 2010 12:20 am

His royal nuttiness is a monstrous carbuncle on the face of his well-loved mum.

Green Dragon
February 5, 2010 12:29 am

If Wales is crowned King Charles III perhaps it would be an idea for those resident in Blighty to conduct ‘Glorious Revolution v2.0’ in favour of King William.
Again.

February 5, 2010 12:45 am

The world would be a rather dull place if there were a universal agreement. It is disagreements and confrontation of argument that act as a driving force of any scientific progress.
Uniformity of thought results in a lethargy of reason.
Alternatively to quote Carl Sagan : A central lesson of science is that to understand complex issues (or even simple ones), we must try to free our minds of dogma and to guarantee the freedom to publish, to contradict, and to experiment.

The ghost of Big Jim Cooley
February 5, 2010 12:49 am

Prince Charles is a complete arse. He always has been, and always will be. Did you know that his father made him cry not so long ago by telling him some home truths, and let us not forget that he gave up Diana for Camilla!!! The man is useless to anything or anyone. Fortunately even our Queen knows what a liability to royalty he’d be, and he will thus never become King (that must chew him up). It will pass from the Queen to Prince William – by-passing the arse.
It’s a well-known fact here (though you jonny foreigners have probably never heard it) that he has SIX boiled eggs cooked every morning – then chooses the one he like’s best. Because, after all, you can’t be sure that one hasn’t had five seconds too long in the water! Arse. That caused much amusement here when that came out.

Terry
February 5, 2010 12:54 am

Poor old Chuck, but then again how can you possibly take seriously anyone who proclaims that he wants to come back as a Tampon in the next life.
Almost as bad as Pachi who says he is going to take care of his carbon footprint spread over his next couple of re-incarnations because it is too difficult for him to do it this time around.

kadaka
February 5, 2010 1:08 am

kadaka (00:19:31) :
[snip -ott]

Aww!
Very well then…
Peter Miller (23:25:10) :
(…)
However, for someone who is on record that he wants to be reincarnated as a tampon, he sure brings in a lot of tourism dollars – so he has a use.

That, sir, is not what the record said. It is not what he meant, it has been taken out of context, and also was taken from a private phone conversation that should not have been overheard.
Here is the sequence of quotes to put it in proper context and establish the correct meaning.
We have enough problems now with the words of climate skeptics being twisted and abused. It is better for us to stick to the moral high ground and avoid doing the same to the CAGW promoters. “Just the facts, sir.”

stumpy
February 5, 2010 1:12 am

As a UK ex pat this is just embarassing – reading his statement made me cringe! How can someone who so addamently believes in man made global warming and who has campaigned for it for 20 years be soooooo poorly educated on the subject and science in general that he thinks sea was static until we started burning fossil fuels – I mean seriosuly! Its a classic case of blind belief, a sheep following the crooked sheepherd! Not to be mention do as I say, not as I do like every other celeb who supports “global warming”
He should go back to his sheltered little make believe world and watch some polo with a glass of pims and his sheltered inbred stuck up chums and talk about “the good old days of the empire”. sorry to be so harsh, but I just cant get over his sheer arrogance!

Paul H
February 5, 2010 1:14 am

This can only be good news, Charlie is seen as a crank, flake and weirdo in this country, completely out of touch with reality.
Lets face it the green agenda suits him in every way, people toiling the land by hand, paying taxes to the rich, what did he call us “liars” in the past, ah yes “serfs”.

Kapow
February 5, 2010 1:18 am

What more can you expect from a loon who talks to plants.
The result of all those years of “royal” in-breeding.

Julian Flood
February 5, 2010 1:19 am

Anthony,
It’s a shame that Prince Charles is attacked for taking the word of scientists, politicians and “experts” that the worst crisis mankind has ever faced is unfolding, and that CO2 is the culprit. He is not alone and, as a committed defender of all things green, he is merely trying to defend things he cares about from harm.
Those who use any stick to beat the concept of royalty — envy is not a pleasant vice — will always find fault. Were he to come out tomorrow with a speech denouncing the liars, frauds and wide-boys who are jumping on the AGW bandwagon then we would see the same response — who does he think he is, ill-educated, only out to enjoy himself etc. Perhaps those who attack him so vociferously above would do well to ponder the merits of the presidential system and how its better-educated, incorruptible and honest leaders have performed in the AGW farce. You can get some idea of how they’re responding to the crisis by googling ‘al gore house’ selecting images and enjoying the lovely pics. And, goshdarn, look at that, what’s this when I google howstuffworks boeing rushmore* and click on images? I wonder what’s the footprint of a 747 vs a steamtrain?
My response to those who are dead keen on reform of political systems is to ask who they’d like as head of state. They tend to go quiet when they think of their current Prime Ministers who are introducing emission trading schemes, carbon taxes and various get-rich-quick scams for their buddies.
Prince Charles can hold any opinion he likes about AGW and giving them too much prominence here is a waste of effort — it’s the opinions of Presidents, Vice Presidents and Prime Ministers which matter because they are not figureheads, they actually hold the reins of power. Remind me, how are they doing?
He is wrong about AGW, going with the consensus. He is, however, right about architecture — going against the tyrannical consensus of modernity. Right half the time, that’s life for everyone,more-or-less.
Julian Flood
*It’s a great image. It reminds me of flying down the Grand Canyon in a Vulcan which was possibly the best use for carbon ever.

Malaga View
February 5, 2010 1:24 am

kwik (22:34:58) :
MaldiveGate is next:

Thank you for the link… a very interesting read… why am i not surprised…

Clare
February 5, 2010 1:29 am

It would be hard to find a single adult in Britain who respects Prince Charles’s opinion on anything.
After all, it’s hard to take seriously someone who has to get another man to squeeze his toothpaste onto his toothbrush for him every morning (literally).
Charles is very much of the ‘this applies to you but not to me’ school; hence the 2 Jags, 2 Audis, 1 Range Rover and 1 Aston Martin in the garage — to which he is perfectly entitled, but not while telling the rest of us to use public transport.
Thank God the Queen has genes of the long-lived variety.

supercritical
February 5, 2010 1:32 am

I really would recommend those who are baffled by the reason why Prince Charles exists, to a quick reading of ‘The Golden Bough’
He has zero political power. Rather his power is symbolic. He is the ultimate embodiment of ‘celebrity’. He has no talent, no practical competence, no intellect except a kind of post-adolescent sentimentality; in fact he is a very average human being; as average as Homer Simpson ….. and as ‘famous’. .. for just being.
His role is that of a prisoner in a gilded cage, a scare-crow, a living object of the meaningless adulation, and hatred, of crowds of strangers; an awful warning to those who would aspire to be leaders. In earler times he would have been ritually sacrificed when a social change was needed.
And to understand why Prince Charles says what he says; viz.,
I have watched with growing dismay and alarm the glee with which the sceptics have leapt upon the recent news stories that question the science that climate change is man-made and suggesting it is nothing more than a myth.
You have to remember that he was a student in the ‘sixties. And, as a man whose career embodies acting-out the very apotheosis of myth, it is a wonder that he has not got beyond this sixties student sentimentality, which is the hallmark of the immature mind.
He is indeed an awful warning to those who do not lead the examined life, and so provides a useful social function.

tty
February 5, 2010 1:34 am

A brief summary of sea level changes, at a level of complexity suitable for royalty, politicians and similar persons.
At any place in the World, at any given time, sea-level is going:
a) up
or
b) down

Alexej Buergin
February 5, 2010 1:35 am

I would love to see a scientific debate about AGW between the Prince of Wales and Lord Monckton. But, as always, the warmer will welsh on participation. Talk about nomen est omen.

Leigh
February 5, 2010 1:36 am

Nigel S (23:03:48) :
Leigh (20:48:16)
“He is also ‘Lord of the Isles’ (Scotland). You must have noticed the kilts.”
Nigel, thanks for the clarification. I have seen him wearing a kilt, but I thought it was in deference to the locals, or maybe a special Windsor tartan, as the ruling monarch.