Telegraph: India forms new climate change body

See UPDATE below the read more line.

Looks like Pachy is having a crisis of confidence in his home country. Is anyone surprised?

Current IPCC chairmanin R.K Pachauri and his smutty romance novel

Excerpts from the Telegraph:

India has threatened to pull out of the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and set up its on climate change body because it “cannot rely” on the group headed by its own Nobel Prize-winning scientist Dr R K Pachauri.

The Indian government’s move is a snub to both the IPCC and Dr Pachauri as he battles to defend his reputation following the revelation that his most recent climate change report included false claims that most of the Himalayan glaciers would melt away by 2035. Scientists believe it could take more than 300 years for the glaciers to disappear.

The body and its chairman have faced growing criticism ever since as questions have been raised on the credibility of their work and the rigour with which climate change claims are assessed.

More at the Telegraph

UPDATE:

Concern was raised about the original title, which was verbatim from the Telegraph’s headline.

Telegraph: India to ‘pull out of IPCC’

Some said that the Telegraph got the story wrong. I wrote in reply:

<blockquote>Well if the Telegraph will change their title, I’ll gladly follow.</blockquote>

This seems to have happened. Now if  you go to:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/7157590/India-to-pull-out-of-IPCC.html

It redirects to

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/7157590/India-forms-new-climate-change-body.html

Now it is a different headline, and there is nothing about “pulling out”. So it seems this was a mistake on The Telegraph’s part. Thanks to Zeke and others who commented on it. Had it been my headline, I’d have changed it immediately once such issues were raised with support to back it up. But It was the Telegraph’s headline, and it was my expectation they would either follow up with more support for why they said this, or change it if it was wrong. It took them longer than expected, but they’ve now changed it without conceding an error.

Since this thread also went way off topic into discussion on aids, I’ve closed comments – Anthony

The Indian government’s move is a snub to both the IPCC and Dr Pachauri as he battles to defend his reputation following the revelation that his most recent climate change report included false claims that most of the Himalayan glaciers would melt away by 2035. Scientists believe it could take more than 300 years for the glaciers to disappear.

The body and its chairman have faced growing criticism ever since as questions have been raised on the credibility of their work and the rigour with which climate change claims are assessed.

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February 4, 2010 11:48 am

REPLY: that’s from the Telegraph verbatim
Check.
You’re still pretty quick 😉
(I see you’re back to the original on the story too.)
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Hank Hancock
February 4, 2010 11:53 am

I should have watched the video all the way through. Arrrrrggggg! My apologies to magicjava.

tallbloke
February 4, 2010 11:55 am

This GOOGLE ad had me laughing:
http://www.carboncreditdemands.com/
SCAM! written all over it.

wayne
February 4, 2010 11:58 am

Strange, written after the warmest yearin
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19990803&slug=2975327

“Exactly 1,140 inches – that’s 95 feet – of snow fell on the Mount Baker Ski Area from July 1, 1998, through June 30, the most ever measured in the United States in a single season, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) announced yesterday.
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While it is considered a “verifiable amount” of snowfall, the record comes with an asterisk. Experts believe more snow falls in the Himalayas, but no one is there to measure it.

Draw your own conclusion.

Stephen Brown
February 4, 2010 12:39 pm

_Jim (11:08:04) :
Wow … you guys are quick!
Jim, Anthony now has literally MILLIONS of people world-wide ready to notify him of anything of interest. Have you read The ” Tips and Notes to WUWT” page?
Allow me to quote from the ‘Spectator’ article linked above to demonstrate what I mean:-
“The main blog used by the Consensus, realclimate.org, exemplifies this problem, because it was set up by a PR company and is run by an employee of Nasa, who ties himself in knots trying to show that he does the blog in his spare time. It is also characterised by a tone of weary condescension and censoring of dissent that you do not find on most sceptic sites.
Contrast it with wattsupwiththat.com, a site founded in November 2006 by a former Californian television weather forecaster named Anthony Watts. Dedicated at first to getting people to photograph weather stations to discover how poorly sited many of them are, the site has metamorphosed from a gathering place for lonely nutters to a three-million-hits-per-month online newspaper on climate full of fascinating articles by physicists, geologists, economists and statisticians.”
The metamorphosis mentioned has, in no small part, been due to Anthony’s insistance on good manners, fair treatment, an insistence on open mindedness and the occasional wicked streak of humour!

Craigo
February 4, 2010 12:44 pm

I wouldn’t go out and celebrate just yet. India had come to dominate the politics of international Cricket by exploiting third world prejudices and is not averse to using this position to gain unfair advantage on field through the use of bullying and intimidation of officials and the judicial process. Typically, false accusations (eg of racism) are used to defend its teams actions (ball tampering or illegal technique) in much the same way that say “hide the decline” is now an accepted as a “scientific” technique in some quarters.
I would say this is about as sincere as the Guardian turning sceptical. What’s in it for them and “follow the money” come to mind.

Graham UK
February 4, 2010 12:45 pm

Kudos to India.
The UK would never do the same to Dr Phil Jones, our icon of scientific research and haphazard computer file storage.
His re-appearance on TV the other night, I believe, is an attempt to rehabilitate him before Dr Pachauri blows a fuse. Dr Pachauri’s comments must horrify his political supporters and for him to alienate his own government is foolish and something you’d consider almost impossible.
The politicians must have some scientist to parade at their summit in Cancun later this year, and in the unlikely event he’s still in place, there’s no way they would dare give him any air time.
Dr Jones’ boat is going to be hard to refloat, but he’s the closest thing to a reputable scientist they have left, and there won’t be too many independent scientists queuing up to take the task on. It would be like asking someone to put on dirty socks.

February 4, 2010 12:57 pm

[quote Hank Hancock (11:53:01) :]
I should have watched the video all the way through. Arrrrrggggg! My apologies to magicjava. [/quote]

We’re cool. 😉

PaulH
February 4, 2010 1:15 pm

Remember, the IPCC and Al Gore were awarded the Nobel prize for peace. I for one have never been able to figure out just exactly what “peace” this gang has promoted or created. The Copenhagen fiasco sure didn’t look peaceful to me. The whole IPCC process is creating considerable tension between the true believers and the rest of the population. Peace? Yeah, right!

George Lawson
February 4, 2010 1:45 pm

I think The Prince Charles’s speech at the Museum of Science and industry today must have been written before so much of the so called science on global warming had been proved incorrect. He still talks about saving trhe Amazon rainforest, and Himalayan glaciers melting from man made global warming. He also bases his proof that the science is correct by saying that the sea is six inches higher than 100 years ago. Not 10 years over which all the fuss is about or 20 years but 100 years. What then caused it to start rising in 1910? But does anyone have absolute scientific proof that this is so anyway, or is it yet another questionable statistic put out by the IGCC? In spite of all the data that almost daily is proving to be wrong in the IGCC report, the Prince still accepts that the science is right!
I would like to hear him say that he hopes the sceptics science might prove to be right, and that he hopes we might have nothing to worry about after all. This will, in the end, save the world from the catastraphy of economic chaos caused by governments taxing us all with billions of pounds for the impossible task of staving off global warming. Taxation which might just prove more serious for the poorer nations than the unknwn effects of minimal global warming which, if true, is outside the ability of man to change anyway. I hope and believe that the Prince will soon find that his speech today, and his recent speech at the University of East Anglia will prove to be unnecessary scaremongering. .

February 4, 2010 1:45 pm

Anthony,
Methinks that this headline will do more to muddle than clarify, given that the latter content of the article contradicts the first impression conveyed by the headline.
Going to the original sources is more revealing.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Can-t-totally-depend-on-IPCC-India-to-have-own-climate-panel/H1-Article1-505242.aspx
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/Pachauri-has-highest-level-support-from-government-Ramesh/505242/H1-Article1-505344.aspx
India isn’t pulling out of the IPCC by any stretch of the imagination.
REPLY: Take it up with the newspaper editors, it is their headline, reproduced verbatim here. -A

February 4, 2010 2:04 pm

I think we should be careful what we wish for, when we demand Dr Pachauri’s resignation.
Dr Pachauri is doing a great job…for us. He is single-handedly exposing to the public the true nature of the IPCC’s flawed process of incompetence, arrogance, bullying and financial self-interest.
A cleverer untarnished replacement chief will probably do an internal review, find and correct a few more errors and then declare the IPCC process to be fixed, and the science again unchallengeable.

Peter Miller
February 4, 2010 2:06 pm

Pachi, as you now call him, nearly pulled off the greatest mass economic catastrophe in recent times.
Many trillions of dollars in extra taxes forced on a world economy which just barely escaped plunging into an economic depression. In other words, he was almost able to claim responsibilty for seizing defeat from the jaws of victory and being the principal architect of an utterly pointless decade long depression.
Copenhagen came far too close in succeeding for my mind. Goofy politicians – and sadly they are far too many of them – can maybe be excused for trying to be green, when they are badly advised. By now they should have started to realise they were being conned and quietly back off.
Pachi needs to be investigated and all sources of income – past and present – exposed to public scrutiny. In particular, his TERI organisation needs particular attention in any financial investigation.
Hopefully, the Indian government will look at TERI’s publicly disclosed annual report and say: “Hey, where are the numbers? No income statement, no balance sheet and absolutely nothing about how much Pachi and his cronies milk out of the organisation.”
Failing to disclose this type of disclosure simply would or should not be allowed by any professional organisation – Iran and North Korea excepted of course.

February 4, 2010 2:10 pm


Stephen Brown (12:39:11) :
Jim, Anthony now has literally MILLIONS of people world-wide ready to notify him of anything of interest. Have you read The ” Tips and Notes to WUWT” page?

Why, thanks for the update Stephen. He (Anthony, and his mods and I suppose that extends to the readers even) have an interest in seeing things ‘done right’ here; through my simple act of pointing out the error accompanied by the reply denoting it was present in the original Telegraph article places the responsibility for the typo where it belongs: with The Telegraph, with no reflection on WUWT 😉 <– smile/wink emoticon
I would point out that, I would have gone one step further on noting a correction, an annotation of the error in situ thusly: a) "o[w]n" or b) the perhaps more traditional "on (sic)” seen when quoting works of others containing typos.
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February 4, 2010 2:13 pm

Further to Dr Pachauri not resigning.
Does anyone know to whom Dr Pachauri and the IPCC report to, or who has the power to sack him. All commentators pressure only him to resign – no one is pressuring his “employer”.
He mentioned recently he was appointed by the 192 nations of the world – so does he and the IPCC only report to the UN General Assembly? If so, what is their performance review process.
An investigation of IPCC’s accountability would seem a critical element in assessing the reliability of its processes.

February 4, 2010 2:25 pm

Press Release
IPCC to be renamed PCCC
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) the UN’s body for the promotion of Anthropogenic Global Warming will in future be known as the PCCC (Pachauri’s Climate Comedy Club).
The re-branding exercise is an attempt to capitalise on recent events that have turned the organisation from a world leader in climate research into a laughing stock.
Rajinda Pachauri said “it’s an old adage ‘laugh and the world will laugh with you’. Well over the last few weeks the world has been laughing at us so we thought it best to capitalise on the situation. In fact the sceptics have been splitting their sides with laughter so we know we have really been touching a nerve.
“For many years we have been writing horror stories and scare stories and no matter how much doom mongering the stories contain, people seem to less and less engaged with the problem of AGW. Recently people have been opening Sunday Papers and pissing themselves with laughter. The coverage has been wall to wall. In fact we have had more press coverage since in January than in the whole of 2009. So in future we will push a softer line and use comedy and hilarious one-liners (formally known as ‘errors’ by alarmists!!!!) within our reports to try and re-engage the worlds population with the problem.
‘With immediate effect my new job title will be Chief Jester ITCOBK-m (In The Court of Ban Ki-moon) and the PCCC will be a key ministry within Ban Ki-moon’s new World Government which will be announced shortly. Ban will be the first Global President and I am delighted that he has asked me to take on this key new role.”
Serving under Pachy will be a dedicated team of Director Jesters, but most importantly, the teams of climate scientists and academics that currently create all the horror stories and the ‘end of the world is nigh’ stories, will be replaced by teams of elite comedy writers (Sub-Jesters) to really maximise the humour that can be incorporated in future PCCC reports. Cutting one liners and witty riposte will the order of the day, replacing all the doom mongering and alarmism.
In a laconic mood Pachy went on (and on)…..
“In fact as it was Ban who suggested the re-branding. I proposed that we should call the new organisation ‘The Moonies’ in deference to our new World President. But Ban made it absolutely clear that he did not want us to be confused with any other pseudo religious cults, and he was very happy that I put my name to it.
“Ban also suggested that as all heads of the great Offices of State usually have a costume to wear for great occasions and that I should create an outfit that both defined the role, and was instantly recognisable around the world. I chose a take on the traditional buffoons outfit of a multi-coloured suit with matching hat and shoes. Initial quotes for the suit were quite shocking – I have a policy of wearing only $1000 suits! But after some heated discussion I managed negotiate from initial quote of $150 up to something I as more comfortable with. I would have worn the outfit today but my Bond Street milliners in London have let me down badly on delivery. They blame it on the late delivery of the three bells which sit atop of each of the three points on the hat. I think it is disgraceful that they have tried to blame others for what is essentially, their mistake. I find this sort of finger pointing nothing short of shocking.
The Love Guru continued:
“Of course not knowing exactly how warm it will be in future years, it was difficult to design a single outfit that could be comfortably worn for millennia by my successors. So to cover all possible climate probabilities I have also designed a superbly colourful Court Jesters mankini, a male take on the traditional bikini, with bells in places you can only imagine! I am hoping to be out of office before temperatures get high enough to wear that little ensemble. If I do, I’ll be keeping my back to the wall I can tell you LOL.
“In all seriousness though (if that does not contradict my new role) you can use these sorts of historical costumes, that are still worn today, as very accurate temperature proxies. Take for instance the Speaker of the British House of Commons. He wares very thick undergarments, heavy jacket and heavy gown, stockings and a wig – clothes for a cold climate. Such regalia would never have been worn if the climate was warm. In my opinion is ample proof for the sceptics Medieval Warm Period never existed. In fact I have suggested to Michael Mann that he use these new costume temperature proxies in his next PCCC report. Michael admitted that the idea had never crossed his mind.”
Pachy also confided that Ban Ki-moon had asked for his advice on the location of the two new United Nations palaces that will soon be constructed to house the new World President:
“Obviously as the world’s leading expert on climate change, Ban Ki-moon wanted some idea on the very best locations to build his palaces. I suggested a Summer Palace on the Antarctic Peninsula, which is land already occupied by the UN. Future summers will so hot at normal longitudes (sic) so this will be a fantastic location thermostically (sic) and quite private too – The UN has long declared that the peasants scratching out a living on an overheated world will need a licence to enter Antarctica. I painted a picture in Bans’ mind that he could arrive just before the penguins fly to the North Pole on their annual migration. He could spend the rest of the summer feeding the last few remaining polar bears that of course have roamed free on Antarctica for millennia. I think I sold it to him if I’m honest. For his Winter Palace I suggested the thin strip of land that the UN also owns on Cypress, in the east Mediterranean, called the Green Zone. In most parts this is only 4 meters wide but we have, over the years, managed to widen parts of it up 7 KM wide – so it’s ideal both in terms of winter climate and privacy for such an opulent pad. Of course these palaces will be funded by proceeds of the Carbon and Vapour Trading Schemes we have previously outlined.
Finally Pachauri said:
“I am very pleased and honoured that Ban has offered me this new role. I started out as a simple Railway Engineer and now look at me, I am a simple Climate Scientist, or at least that’s what I tell people. Anyway, unlike climatology there was really no humour to be had as a Railway Engineering.” Asked what his area of expertise was in that field his reply was terse, “Bogies.”
Ends

February 4, 2010 2:26 pm

[quote MichaelC58 (14:13:38) :]
Does anyone know to whom Dr Pachauri and the IPCC report to, or who has the power to sack him.[/quote] ,/i>
Greenpeace.
And with Greenpeace calling for him to resign, his days are numbered.

martyn
February 4, 2010 2:28 pm

Anthony, you and Dennis have a mention in the Guardian:-
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/feb/04/climate-change-email-hacking-leaks

James F. Evans
February 4, 2010 2:29 pm

When your own country pulls out of the IPCC which you chair…
You know it’s time to hit the showers…take a powder…call it a day…drop of the keys, Lee…you know what I mean…

Eve
February 4, 2010 2:46 pm

I suggest that all countries should pull out of the IPCC. We don’t need them, the money is needed at home and it is one way to make them go away. Write to your politicians, I do, tell them no tax dollars go to the IPCC. Eventually they will get it.

joe
February 4, 2010 3:09 pm

Wonderful news, I said it before, only India and China can put a complete stop to the deindustrialization agenda. The New World Order is not in their interest, the elite at the capstone are not Chinese or Indian.

Ian Holton
February 4, 2010 3:13 pm

According to this they have pulled out!
“In India the claims have heightened tensions between Dr Pachauri and the government, which had earlier questioned his assessment. In autumn, Jairam Ramesh, its environment minister, said that some glaciers were actually advancing despite global warming.
Dr Pachauri had dismissed the government’s claims as “voodoo science”, but on Thursday night Mr Ramesh effectively marginalized the IPCC chairman even further.
He announced that the Indian government will establish a separate National Institute of Himalayan Glaciology to monitor the effects of climate change on the world’s “third ice cap”, and an “Indian IPCC” to use climate science to assess the impact of global warming throughout the country.
He said: “[The] IPCC doesn’t do the original research which is one of the weaknesses.?.?. they just take published literature and then they derive assessments, so we had goof-ups on Amazon forest, glaciers, snow peaks.”
http://www.montrealgazette.com/technology/India+forms+breakaway+climate+change+body/2522820/story.html

John from MN
February 4, 2010 3:16 pm

Anybody have their personal Guess when ole’ Pachauri steps down? I have February 19th….Two weeks from tomorrow….as Bug’s Bunny would say, “What a Marooon” ……John.

Sam
February 4, 2010 3:41 pm

It’s interesting for those of us who were around 20/25 years ago (can it really be that long?) to reflect on the great AIDS panic and to compare it with this one.
We were assured that if we had sex with anyone (even a regular partner or spouse) without using a condom we would quickly be toast, taking a lot of people with us. The hysteria from Govt (here in the UK at least, led by the Chief Scientific Advisor), and from the MSM, was incredible (literally, to those of us who stopped to think why certain sexual or social practices were resulting the spread of the disease). Armageddon was just round the corner. I was still quite, er, active in those days and came in for a great deal of flak as I insisted people were falling for a load of rubbish.
The UN of course refuses to censor those African leaders who omit to take obvious steps to protect their populations from HIV, and indeed deny the realities in faovur of mad theories about Western conspiracy, inter alia. Consequently the poor die in their millions from a largely preventable disease. Meanwhile, the pandemic in the West never happened (and like the ozone hole, and the new little ice agem, is never mentioned).
No wonder the old grow cynical!

John Egan
February 4, 2010 3:46 pm

Dear Moderators –
Not only was the Telegraph headline misleading –
Since then the Indian government has expressed support for Pachauri.
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/Govt-lends-support-to-a-beleaguered-Pachauri/articleshow/5536807.cms
If the experiences of Dr. Pachauri and Dr. Jones reveal anything – it is to use care in disseminating information and to use caution when our own personal perspectives are involved.
There is not a shred of truth in the claim that India is to “pull out” of the IPCC.
REPLY: Well if the Telegraph will change their title, I’ll gladly follow. -A