Lord Monckton wows Melbourne

Highlights of Lord Christopher Monckton’s Melbourne Presentation at the Sofitel Melbourne. Recorded 1st February 2010. There are two parts below.

Part 1

Part2

Slides used in his presentation:

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Photos for use in blogs and articles:

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G Adlam

OT but have you seen this?
India to ‘pull out of IPCC’
India has threatened to pull out of the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and set up its on climate change body because it “cannot rely” on the group headed by its own Nobel Prize-winning scientist Dr R K Pachauri.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/7157590/India-to-pull-out-of-IPCC.html
Surely that ratchets up the pressure for him to resign, first Greenpeace, now Indian government!

Ray

Good job mate!
I’ve seen the underwear slide before… excellent false proxy of climate change… hilarious. Could have made it to AR4 based on the way they selected publications.

carrot eater

[snip – your claim is false]

meemoe_uk

Wow, monckton is doing a great job!

MattN

He is simply an outstanding speaker.

Schrodinger's Cat

Lord Monckton is very entertaining as well as a scathing critic of the alarmists. I wish we had more people with his common sense in public life. Did the Melbourne press comment on his performance?

kwik

If he only could come to Norway too! It would be totally silenced by the media, of course. The Norwegian BBC, called NRK would’nt mention it with a single word, of course.

Yertizz

What odds on the BBC allowing His Lordship a platform?
I’m no holding my breath!

carrot eater

My claim is false? Perhaps I worded it poorly.
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/climate-sceptic-clouds-the-weather-issue-20100201-n8y3.html
Whatever sort of medicine he is developing then, and whatever all it might treat, I look forward to seeing it.

charlie

Absolutely excellent. What an orator!!

Henry chance

Hide the decline
It is spreading. Monkton is catching Australia.

PhilipC

Definitely a wow – lets hope that the Aussies can lead the revolt because the UK public seem to have been doped into silence.

Timothy Nesbitt

Great stuff! We need a lot more of this. About time!

M.A.DeLuca

I’m glad Monkton is getting recognition over this, and I hope the trend continues, but I can’t help but think of him as the good guy’s Al Gore. Brighter, better spoken, but ultimately just another politician profusely pontificating. It’s a shame scientific issues are reduced to this. Can you imagine Al Franken getting all worked up with slides and charts over leptons and muons? Or Arnold Schwarzenegger making the rounds with discussions about Eta Carinae?
It’s repugnant to see any science become a war of sound bites.

Joseph Murphy

@Carrot Eater
Thanks for the link! I like Lord M more every time I read about him.

Vincent

The great orator did a reasonable impersonation of another great orator – herr Hitler. I hope that doesn’t backfire on him in the lamestream media. I also like the way he always attacks the EU commisars, “accountable to no one,” as a warning to the audience.

kiyan

telegraph got it wrong! Pachauri has highest level support from government: Ramesh- http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/Pachauri-has-highest-level-support-from-government-Ramesh/505242/H1-Article1-505344.aspx

Scott B

Ahhh, Monckton. Our version of the Goracle. Probably good to have out there to influence people, but I still don’t care for him.

hotrod ( Larry L )

kiyan (11:07:26) :
telegraph got it wrong! Pachauri has highest level support from government: Ramesh- http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/Pachauri-has-highest-level-support-from-government-Ramesh/505242/H1-Article1-505344.aspx

That sounds to me like the “dreaded vote of confidence speech”, just before he gets sacked. There is a long standing convention in politics to issue some public statement of support just before some one “decides to retire” for personal reasons, as a face saving gesture so the amount of egg on everyone’s face is minimized.
If I were inclined to bet I would say that he has about 2 weeks left, to sort out his affairs before he walks out of the office with his stuff in a card board box.
Larry

Paul Maynard

Pachauri
In Britain when a football manager receives the absolute and unconditional support of his board, it is the precursor to his imminent defenestration.
Rather similar in British politics.
Paul

Gary Hladik

M.A.DeLuca (10:46:56) : “It’s repugnant to see any science become a war of sound bites.”
CAGW was never about science. If it had been, nobody would be worried about it.

Anon

Lord Christopher Monckton Speaking in St. Paul in October 09. !1 hour 35 mins:

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stij8sUybx0&hl=en_US&fs=1&]

Baike

M.A.DeLuca (10:46:56)
I think he’s just fighting fire with fire at this point. I think the fact that much of his presentation has a light-hearted overtone to it is redeeming, but I can understand where you’re coming from.

keith in hastings UK

I think that many or even most regret that Monkton’s style of approach is now absolutely necessary to offset similar techniques employed earlier by AGW alarmists, Greenpeace etc, and still used by the BBC. It would be so nice to not have science reduced to a battle of sound bites and oratory.
But the battle isn’t won yet, bureaucratic wheels are still turning and laws being passed – UK is just implementing a carbon pricing regime of its own.
A black time for real environmental concerns of course, which may be the baby thrown out with the AGW bathwater, if and when the alarmists are totally exposed in the publics’ eyes.
Meantime, more power to Lord Monkton’s elbow!

MJK

While he is entertaining, LORD Moncton comes across as far too arrogant for most Australians. He will never be taken seriously while he insists on emphasising his title of “Lord.” Most of the Australian media treat him as a joke. If anything, the fact Lord Moncton is viewed as the leader of the sceptic movement only discredits the movement.
Anthony, how can you honestly support this guy when he runs rough shot over the facts? For example, his discussion surrounding the so called Arctic ice recovery since 2007 in his presentation is a joke and very misleading. Ice never fully recovered following the 2007 record low — it is still way below the long term average and you know it. http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries.png

John

In this particular tour of Australia, Monckton is revealing a showmanship that I believe does not serve him or his cause well. I think he is much more effective debating or plainly explaining his position and outlining the facts without putting on a show.
Obviously if you are speaking before a large audience one might change the tone somewhat ( as opposed to a debate), but I think he has gone too far and leaves himself open to what I would have to agree would be legitimate criticism that detracts from the main message. His tendency towards hyperbole is disturbing to me as I agree with almost all of what Monckton says and believe that he may be undermining himself.
Nonetheless it was encouraging to see what appeared to be a large crowd there to hear him. I trust that those who attended take away the meat to of the presentation and ignore the show.

DirkH

“MJK (12:22:19) :
[…]
Anthony, how can you honestly support this guy when he runs rough shot over the facts? […]”
Nicely disguised writing, troll. We remember your name, though. Why would you ever care what Anthony supports or not? You’re an AGW fanboy.

Phil Ubes

Australians will not be leading the way on climate rationality. People here still believe all the nonsense, mainly because it still floods the mainstream media (with The Australian newspaper being about the only exception). And Australians are very much led by their tv’s.
The ABC’s 7.30 Report – one of the most prominent current affairs programs in the country – covered Monckton’s visit. The ABC has not mentioned one single word on climate-gate until now – this is their very, very first forray into the issue. They have long been at the extreme left of politics. So 7.30 Report did everything it could to assasinate Monckton’s credibility, and spent most of the program talking to a couple of scientists to reinforce the ‘science completely rejects climate denial’ non-argument.
Thus is the state of play in Australia. At least we have an opposition leader in Tony Abbot who is no fool on this matter.

King of Cool

Lord Monckton did and outstanding job in Australia but it was not all smooth sailing. He also had to endure one of the most vicious ad hominen attacks I have ever seen in some of the MSM and was set up most of the time when on public TV. Looking on the bright side that means the AGW lobby are running scared and getting desperate.
I guess when you have to endure such attacks it is natural to fight back but if I may make just one small suggestion to the Lord and that is if he toned down the politics and stuck purely to the science he would win over many more people that dwell in the middle ground. As it is, if you keep attacking the left, none of them will ever listen no matter what you have to say.
Sure there are those that will never change their mind even if the world freezes over but there are many closer to the centre that can be won over and it is these people that the anti AGW movement needs if political issues and measures like crippling emissions taxation schemes are to be defeated.

infimum

MJK (12:22:19): “He will never be taken seriously while he insists on emphasising his title of “Lord.”
Why? Just because Australia doesn’t have such a title doesn’t mean that Australia can disrespect the practice done in other parts of the world. Or are you saying that his Lordship is somehow illegitimate?

MJK

DirkH (12:38:04) :
Getting a bit personal don’t you think? Can’t you tolerate other perspectives or views? Isn’t that what being a sceptic is all about?
Although I disagree with Anthony on some points, does not mean I do not respect his view point. That is why I asked him the question. But if that makes me a “Troll” so be it.

Rich

MJK, how can you honestly support the IPCC when they run rough shod over the facts? For example, there discussion surrounding the so called melting of the Himalayas by 2035 in the latest report is a joke and very misleading…..
Can’t have it both ways MJK.

Rosie Young

The ABC’s 7.30 Report certainly did a hatchet job on Monckton but their website was inundated with howls of protest. The media has used all its energy to discredit Monckton rather than engage with him but his talks have all been sold out across Australia.

Zeke Hausfather

I’ve always seen Monckton as the Joe Romm of the skeptic side. Sure, he throws lots of red meat to the base, but he probably does the movement more harm than good in the long run.

Bulldust

You can see several clips of Monckton and climate change at the 7:30 Report web site of the ABC (Australian):
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/

MikeA

I must say that the Indian Position amazes me. Australia has had it’s own own Independent climate change office and scientists for years. We certainly don’t rely on the IPCC for local matters.

Vincent

MJK,
“If anything, the fact Lord Moncton is viewed as the leader of the sceptic movement only discredits the movement.”
Viewed as leader of the sceptic movement? Really, by whom? Yourself?
I don’t even know where you get the idea that there is a sceptic movement. In the first place, how can scepticism be described as a movement? How does it make you part of a movement to believe that the science of AGW has many flaws and is unsupported by hard data?
Science is itself the manifestation of scepticism which seeks to challenge and falsify any new hypothesis. Without such challenges it would be no more than a faith based system that is built upon the simplist and most uncomplicated of observations.
So Monckton can only discredit himself. He cannot discredit scepticism. How did you ever come to such a silly notion?

Bulldust

MJK (12:22:19) :
First of all you won’t gain much credibility with straight ad hominem attacks. Secondly he is a Lord… should he deny that? I can garauntee you I have more respect for him than Al Gore (former VP USA) or many of the “respected” Climategate correspondents that are trying to warp the truth into a political agenda.
Thirdly no one disputes that the max/min ice extent was decreasing for a period, just like no one disputes that it has recovered the last two years. But the IPCC in recent reports still insists on showing the 2007 end point like that was the end of the known data. We are interested in the last two years because it is a distinct reversal of the previous 30-year trend. You don’t think that is significant? I certainly find turning points in data interesting, especially when they persist for a couple of years.
Cherry picking is not science… you would have been far better off attacking Monckton on his claim of 9-10 years of temperature data being sgnificant with the graphed downward trend. Yes, the trend based on monthly data might be statistically significant, but was it significant from a perspective of climate change? That one is a lot more woolly IMHO.

Neville

I must admit I have a feeling that Monckton would do better if he just stuck to the science as well.
But he has done well in Australia with sell out crowds everywhere he’s appeared and some people like a bit of showmanship to break the ice.
But there is a part of the science that completely wrecks the AGW argument even if you are a fanatical religious believer.
The International Energy Agency ( IEA ) has stated that by 2030 the OECD countries will be producing less than 15,000 billion tonnes PA of GHG’s while the NON OECD countries ( China, Brazil, India SA etc, etc. ) will be producing more than 25,000 billion tonnesPA of GHG’s.
The simple first grade maths of subtracting 15 from 25 justs proves what a waste of time and waste of trillions of dollars will take place in just the next 20 years. In other words whatever we do in the 1st world will be easily out done by the developing world and this new growth will wreck any chance of reducing GHG’s in the next 20 years.
The answer is probably widespread use of Nuclear energy ( France has 75% nuclear now ) as well as new nano battery cell technology, but whatever you believe there is no chance without new technology of holding or reducing GHG’s over the next 2 decades.
Lomborg has been correct all along about the stupidity of trying to reduce GHG’s as a first priority because we can only adjust the change ( spending countless trillions ) by 2100 by a few years, but if we spend a tiny ammount of dollars on adaptation we will get a much bigger reward.
So using up endless acres of newsprint or filling up the blogosphere with arguments for and against AGW won’t change the simple 15/25
comparison by 2030.
We may as well flush those trillions of dollars down the toilet for all the good it will do, because that simple 15/ 25 bummer wrecks every argument.

Zeke Hausfather (13:39:22) :
“I’ve always seen Monckton as the Joe Romm of the skeptic side.”
But unlike Soros’ hand puppet Joe Romm, Viscount Monckton’s got class, intelligence and the correct facts. And he’s internationally popular, drawing sellout audiences.
Poor Joe, such a has-been.

MikeA

Hi Bulldust, it seems to be quite a robust discussion here. I must say that I like the use of the word ‘recovered’ and you have indeed highlighted how Lord Monckton uses the word. The real situation of the arctic ice is pretty woeful (not a scientific term) http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/index.html. However we can still say that it has ‘recovered’ because the measure used is not as low at the minimum as it was two years ago. It is like the difference to recovering from an illness where one would say ‘I have recovered’, meaning fully recovered. Whereas a boxer losing a boxing match is struck, recovers (for a moment), and then falls to the canvas.
My point here is that those accusing the good Lord of lying should be aware that sometimes he is just exercising the language in a creative fashion. In fact you could even say that he never lies at all because he is only stating his opinion. If he was a member of Actors Equity he would be have even further license.
Tootle Pip

Robert Austin

Re: MJK (Feb 4 12:22),
Actually, the expression is “roughshod”. And nobody knows what “fully recovered” is since there is insufficient data to determine a “long term average” of Arctic ice area or extents. So in your criticism you are employing hyperbole just as strongly as Lord Monkton.
The guy is a great speaker and has a sense of humour. He may have an ego but you need lots of ego to forge on against the kind of abuse he receives. And if Australians dismiss him as an arrogant toff, you can’t be popular with everybody. We arm chair quarterbacks pontificate with all this sage advice for the guys like Lord Monkton who are slugging it out on the front lines. As for his use of his title, at least it is a counterbalance to the weight given the views of the fruit bats of the royal house of Windsor.

Christopher Kevin

I was there and he is, indeed a great showman and entertaining speaker. I have to admit that I am somewhat uneasy that he is the major spokesman for ‘our’ side of the argument, especialy when he assumes that our politics are to the right. It would be better if he presented from a politically neutral stance. A couple of alarmists were there trying to engage with fairly petulant and childish ‘questions’ that were really statements. As in Gore metings, security was used to control them. I don’t really know why, but I quite enjoyed this.
The best part of his visit so far has been the way he has carved up aggressive ABC interviewers (who take their cue from the BBC’s stance) in a way that I’ve not seen or heard anyone else do. Despite their best efforts none of them could lay a glove on him. And I thought the 7.30 Report Special on his visit was reasonably well balanced for that outfit. They must be visiting WUWT.

James F. Evans

Monckton brought down the house…the lights are fading and the applause is thunderous…
Great job as always.

MJK said
“Ice never fully recovered following the 2007 record low — it is still way below the long term average and you know it. http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries.png
Surely you don’t seriously believe that records commencing from 1979 constitute ‘long term?
Tonyb

Stephen Brown

What appears to be forgotten by some writing here is that Lord Monckton is not on a speaking tour to affirm to the ‘converted’ what AGW is all about; he is speaking to audiences who have doubts about the route that their Government is taking them.
He HAS to appeal to a much wider audience and, quite rightly, he adopts a much more popularist manner. He has tailored his presentation to his audience without diluting the basic facts which give the lie to AGW. It would appear that, as his tour is a sell-out, that he has hit upon a winning formula. Humour, fact and comment are presented in an easily digested mix.
He is much more easily accepted than the ManBearPig.

Mick (Down Under)

MJK (12:22:19) :
‘While he is entertaining, LORD Moncton comes across as far too arrogant for most Australians. He will never be taken seriously while he insists on emphasizing his title of “Lord.” Most of the Australian media treat him as a joke. If anything, the fact Lord Moncton is viewed as the leader of the sceptic movement only discredits the movement.’
What makes you think that you can speak for most Australians? While the Australian media may treat him disparagingly, the comments by the public in those same media columns give the lie to you opinion of the Australian public’s view. These comments overwhelmingly support Lord Monkton. The Aussies are nobody’s fools – they are aware of the AGW scam and resent being rorted. BTW the Aussies have played cricket against the Poms for well over a century. They know the nature and ways of the ‘pompous’ Brits and rather enjoy the cultural difference. No sweat baby!

The Iceman

The NSIDC graph is not the only comparison record of Arctic Sea Ice.
Whilst the Arctic sea ice has not as yet grown to the same area as it was in 1979, if you look at the satellite imagery from University of Illinois, you will see that the 2010 sea ice seems to be much thicker than it was in 1979, as evidenced by the much more solid, deep purple coloration. Furthermore if you look at the Greenland ice sheet it seems to cover a much larger area in 2010 than it did in 1979. The Siberia, Northern Canada, and Alaska Snow & Ice packs would also appear to have grown considerably, in 2010 when compared with the 1979 image.
http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=02&fd=03&fy=1979&sm=02&sd=03&sy=2010