Here in the USA, WUWT readers probably don’t have a true handle on the firestorm that is going on in India over Pachauri’s “glaciergate”. It is making headlines and the people there are quite angry, because they’ve been led to believe that their Himalayan water supply was seriously threatened in the not too distant future (2035) as reported in the IPCC AR4, and now they find out it’s a bogus, and that a Pachauri peer now specifically admits the 2035 date was known to be false, and used anyway to scare policymakers into action.
Dr. Richard North, who co-wrote the first story with Christopher Booker of the Telegraph that got the inquiry started over two weeks ago, now says on an interview on Indian television that ” If Dr Pachauri does not resign voluntarily, he will be forced to do so.”
Here is video and partial transcript of that interview.
It was not until the Sunday Times last week actually highlighted it that he was forced to take action. And on that basis I don’t think he has any credible alternative but to resign and he is either going to resign voluntarily or as the media are increasingly saying he is going to be forced.
It is a very clearly recognisable tactic where he simply denies the undeniable and for a while if you are in a very elevated position you get away with it. He hasn’t yet recognised that his position is already untenable and the more he denies, the way the media works the more evidence they are going to find until such time as his denials will be so lacking in credibility that he will be unable to operate .
Transcript via Liberty New Central.
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By the way…. where is Gore in all of this?
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Say, does this tone sound familiar?
WHO slams swine flu critics as ‘irresponsible’
(…)
GENEVA (AP) — The World Health Organization on Monday slammed as “irresponsible” critics who claim swine flu is a fake pandemic created for the benefit of drug companies.
The U.N. health agency said the outbreak of a new strain of H1N1 influenza in North America last year had all the scientific characteristics of a pandemic, adding the WHO was never improperly influenced by the pharmaceutical industry that has benefited from huge government orders for vaccines and anti-viral drugs.
(…)
A WHO spokesman declined to spell out who the World Health Organization was responding to in its statement, saying only that “this applies to anyone who believes it is not a real pandemic.”
The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, a human rights watchdog based in Strasbourg, France, recently recommended that the EU investigate WHO’s swine flu pandemic declaration to see if the health agency acted under undue influence. WHO officials are due to meet Tuesday with the Council of Europe, which is not an official European Union body and has no power to act against WHO.
(…)
In its statement, WHO said it had put in place numerous safeguards to prevent conflicts of interest among its advisers, including requiring them to provide a signed declaration detailing any professional or financial interest that could affect their impartiality.
“WHO takes allegations of conflict of interest seriously and is confident of its decision-making independence regarding the pandemic influenza,” it said.
Yes, H1N1 was a real flu. It was a real pandemic, which is a technical term relating to the spread of the disease. Herpes, chicken pox, and the common cold are also pandemics, far as I know.
How many of those 250 million doses of vaccine the Obama administration purchased for the US are left over? Did all those huge emergency stockpiles of Tamiflu get used up?
How are those programs at the pharmaceutical companies that distribute free and low-cost drugs to impoverished nations doing these days?
Newt Love (23:41:15) :
[…]
“+ resetting the integrity of “peer review” such that propaganda–like the WWF melting glacier claim–is not termed as peer reviewed and then their propaganda makes it into other scientific journal articles.
+ resetting the editorial boards at many science journals to be academically focused and not politically correct rubber stamps for folks like Michael Mann and Phil Jones.
[…] “
It serves no useful purpose to perpetuate the myth of the “integrity” of peer review. While some editors and some reviewers maintain(ed) professional diligence in these processes, peer review is and was never about integrity (at least not integrity of the science).
I still vividly remember a supervisor (a well known government scientist) mentoring me on the merits and purpose of frequent “dollar papers” (his words) – a short multi-authored (great for grad students, especially) peer-reviewed paper written on a few snippets of a research line, expressly for the purpose of maintaining granting interest in the larger project.
The internet now provides a communication backbone for serious review unlike anything that has existed prior. The scientific community would be well advised to develop this resource for appropriate and rigorous scientific review and toss the canard of “peer-review” into the recyce bin where it belongs.
And here is the reaction of China’s lead climate change negotiator:
” He said: “It is already a solid fact that the climate is warming.
“There is one starkly different view, that the climate change or climate warming issue is caused by the cyclical element of nature itself.
“I think we need to adopt an open attitude to the scientific research.”
He said that it was important to include as many views as possible “to be more scientific and to be more consistent”.
He was responding to a reporter’s question about a controversy over the UN’s climate science panel’s 2007 assertion that Himalayan glaciers could disappear by 2035.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8478643.stm
New chairman for IPCC? Really?
A useless institution better disappears, not wasting any resources anymore, specifically not the capacity of great persons as McIntyre or Lord Monckton.
What has really happened, we all know here in WUWT, is that there has been a continuous feedback for many years, beginning in the 20th. century until now, between externally funded science and politicians, I would say that it happened almost automatically, one side feeding the other back and creating a situation of mutual dependency and self defense of their common interests, which have gradually grown exponentially, making it harder and harder the possibility of a way back to normality and, surprisingly, to factual reality.
It is not unbelievable now that such fantasies, so far from any healthy reasoning, like “anthropogenic global warming” and its 2.35% efficiency windmills, “black holes”, “dark matter”, to armageddonian theories of viruses pandemias, have reached such momentum, as we would be witnessing a nova explosion of consensual madness.
So there is an urgent necessity of revisiting all those supposed “holy dogmas” held and tought or rather preached as such by contemporary “scientist-politicians-friars”.
I’ve been doing some research and can show that the UN knew the 2035 claim to be bogus as far back as 2004. There can be no doubt that the authors of the WWF report and AR4 knew that it was bogus. What’s more they were well aware that Fred Pearce was a propagandist making wholly exaggerated claims.
I will hopefully be publishing the evidence later this week.
Recipy (00:52:50) :
Does any of you remember how Pachauri got nominated as Chair of the IPCC? Here’s a story from Science 1997:
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/reprint/sci;296/5566/232a.pdf
Basically he was chosen to please the Bush administration. US obviously wanted to weaken the IPCC.
And it worked.
Stephan (06:27:58) :
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By James Delingpole
After Climategate, Pachaurigate and Glaciergate: Amazongate.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100023598/after-climategate-pachaurigate-and-glaciergate-amazongate/
Time for me to post this again …
Pachauri in jail ☺ ☺
http://photoshare.shaw.ca/image/2/d/8/63987/pachaurijail-0.jpg
I was flattered the first time it was posted because Richard North used it on his EU blog. Naturally I “stole” both images off the internet and married them in Photoshop. So sue me. ☺
Cheers!
Clive
The silence from the BBC speaks volumes. Nothing about the conflicts of interest or money made by Pachauri and Co. Harrabin however has publish a ‘cash for influence’ article here-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8475293.stm
Shame he’s not turned his eye towards how much cash for influence groups like TERI or the WWF are contributing towards lobbying for climate change.
Maybe the headlines in the MSM should read: “AND ON THE “What goes around, comes around” FRONT –
In 2008 NASA’s James Hansen called for trials of climate skeptics for “high crimes against humanity.”
In 2007 environmentalist Robert F. Kennedy Jr. lashed out at skeptics declaring “This is treason. And we need to start treating them as traitors”
In 2009, RFK, Jr. also called coal companies “criminal enterprises” and declared CEO’s ‘should be in jail… for all of eternity.”
In 2006, the eco-magazine Grist called for Nuremberg-Style trials for skeptics.
In 2008, Canadian environmentalist David Suzuki called for government leaders skeptical of global warming to be thrown “into jail.”
In 2007, The Weather Channel’s climate expert called for withholding certification of skeptical meteorologists.
In 2007, an internal EPA E-mail threatens to ‘Destroy’ Career of Climate Skeptic and dissenters of warming fears have been called ‘Climate Criminals’ who are committing ‘Terracide’ (killing of Planet Earth)
In 2007 a UN official warns ignoring warming would be ‘criminally irresponsible’ Excerpt: The U.N.’s top climate official warned policymakers and scientists trying to hammer out a landmark report on climate change that ignoring the urgency of global warming would be “criminally irresponsible.” .
In 2007 a Virginia State Climatologist skeptical of global warming loses job after clash with Governor: ‘I was told that I could not speak in public’ Excerpt: Michaels has argued that the climate is becoming warmer but that the consequences will not be as dire as others have predicted. Gov. Kaine had warned. Michaels not to use his official title in discussing his views. “I resigned as Virginia state climatologist because I was told that I could not speak in public on my area of expertise, global warming, as state climatologist,” Michaels said in a statement this week provided by the libertarian Cato Institute, where he has been a fellow since 1992. “It was impossible to maintain academic freedom with this speech restriction.” (LINK)
In 2007 a skeptical State Climatologist in Oregon has title threatened by Governor Excerpt: “State Climatologist George Taylor, does not believe human activities are the main cause of global climate change…So the [Oregon] governor wants to take that title from Taylor and make it a position that he would appoint. In an exclusive interview with KGW-TV, Governor Ted Kulongoski confirmed he wants to take that title from Taylor.
AND – October 28, 2008: License to dissent: ‘Internet should be nationalized as a public utility’ to combat global warming skepticism – Australian Herald Sun – Excerpt: British journalism lecturer and warming alarmist Alex Lockwood says my blog is a menace to the planet. Skeptical bloggers like me need bringing into line, and Lockwood tells a journalism seminar of some options……..
I do not know…. some how the SIMPLE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF, “What goes around, comes around” doesn’t seem to be enough……
I hope he stays. They might replace him with someone who is not nearly as corrupt and they might regain some of their ill-deserved “credibility”. Some times you need to leave the rotten apple in place and let the whole lot go bad. Instead of taking them out one by one, you let the whole lot go. Patience.
Actually, M.Simon, that article is behind a paywall and most of us won’t see it. So I searched for something else, and found this:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,480766,00.html
This article from May, 2007 is actually a fascinating look into the “we’re right, skeptics are weird” mindset that we’re up against. Amazingly, this one actually seeks to give some credit to Lindzen (ie, one of his points is correct), but the description of how “Science” works in the IPCC is enough to make anyone who knows Science shudder. Science by consensus is the goal. You know, that’s a travesty!
At 2 minutes and 16 seconds into the video
(see “Just The Facts 21:08:31”)
Dr. Pachauri makes the comment that non-democratic governments might “keep the lid” on dissent. Coming from the mouth of one of the most vocal CAGW advocates, this statement is both ironic and laughable.
E.M.Smith (04:10:30)
I was looking for some “bonus points”, so I decided to look out my window in Montreal, Canada ( 45° 30′ N) where right now it is 8 degrees celsius. This makes it 14 degrees celsius above average. But that is an unscientific observation of weather not climate, right?
“Just look at the reality.” It’s [warm], and getting [warmer]”.
I guess you know you are losing the argument when you invoke George W. Bush… it’s the new Goodwin’s Law. The longer an argument goes on the increasing chance that GWB will be invoked and the side that iinvokes it is deemed loser of the argument.
“He’ll stay on and the U.N. will look the other way ”
Of course he will.
He’s doing the job they hired him to do.
The UN/IPCC was never a neutral body of science, is always biased.
“”The IPCC was established to provide the decision-makers and others interested in climate change with
an objective source of information about climate change. The IPCC does not conduct any research nor does
it monitor climate related data or parameters. Its role is to assess on a comprehensive, objective, open and transparent basis
the latest scientific, technical and socio-economic literature produced worldwide relevant
to the understanding of the risk of human-induced climate change”
wayne ward (09:22:38) :
What argument? The IPCC is daily purging the books they cooked while the world watches them do it.
A despicable farce. Waste of 12 years. We want our money back.
All the calls for Pachauri to resign are a distraction. He’ll be thrown under the bus and everyone will think ok UN is back on track as the bad apple is gone. He’s just the fall guy being set up so the UN can go and the usual “move along nothing to see anymore” brainwashing can begin.
The north magnetic pole (correlation does not mean causation), science, intelligence and industry and many other things are migrating westward…
is it a coincidence?
BTW Science last stop was at Hollywood Boulevard!!
Pachauri is the TRICK!, he won´t go anywhere.
He has schedule its resigning in 2035.