More from the “weather is not climate department”.
Flurries hit southeast Australia as towns record their first-ever summer snowfalls
CANBERRA, Australia – Australia is following its second-hottest year on record with extraordinary snow flurries in its southeastern alpine region, where some towns have recorded their first-ever summer snowfalls.
Australia’s temperatures during the summer months of December through February can be uncomfortably hot even on its highest peak, Mount Kosciuszko, which stands a modest 7,310 feet (2,228 metres) above sea level.
Snow fell to 3,000 feet (900 metres) above sea level Monday in parts of New South Wales and Victoria states, Bureau of Meteorology senior forecaster Jane Golding said.
“Any time of year, it’s unusual to have snow down that far,” she said.
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The town of Bombala in New South Wales, east of Kosciuszko, recorded its first summer snow since the bureau began keeping records there in 1965, Golding said.
The town of Cooma, also in New South Wales but north of Kosciuszko, recorded its first summer snow since records were first kept in 1973.
Cooma resident Krystal Pernitsch said the wind chill factor made Monday’s high temperature of 59 degrees (15 degrees Celsius) feel like 48 degrees (9 Celsius).
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yonason: At the link you posted, the authors write: “We, Cliff Harris and Randy Mann, believe that the warming and even the cooling of global temperatures are the result of long-term climatic cycles, solar activity, sea-surface temperature patterns and more. ”
Very interesting, but these authors write that they “believe.” That suggests that this is not based on peer-reviewed science. In their bios, neither author reports any scientific training or other interaction with the large body of climate scientists. That suggests their work is not ready for prime time.
Henry chance: “CO2 is the opiate of the ecoterrorists. ” This is the only thing in your post that seems to deal with science. What are you saying about CO2 here?
The South Western Cape in South Africa, boasts a number of glacier plains and valleys in the Hex River region and further northwards. I believe the last Ice Age in that area was 65o million to 450 million years ago. Driving down from Kimberley one can see a number of the distinctive U shaped valleys cut through the mountain chains.
Sure cooling has a limit.. Zero Degrees Kelvin! 🙂
Well, that’s meridional flow f’r ya.
” jryan (09:03:03) :
Sure cooling has a limit.. Zero Degrees Kelvin! 🙂 ”
Right. But you wanted to say: Zero Kelvin (corrected in 1967).
K. Bray : “That’s what they claim the co2 does.”
Are you suggesting that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas? If that’s your point, then what’s your evidence?
Good thing they moved the monitoring station to sea level! We can’t have something like this getting into the official record; it’d mess up climate change research! 🙂
Blimey!
Miss-spoke??
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/copenhagen/article6959509.ece
“Christian Ermecke (07:49:39) :
Hi everyone,
Oliver K. Manuel has mentioned the likelihood of a world government – or should we better say: “dictatorship”? Many people still can not believe it could go that far. Therefore I would like to add this link here, may be some of you do not know about this yet:
http://www.greattransformation.eu/index.php/about-the-conference
Please have a closer look at point 4) at the bottom…”
4) POLITICAL PARTICIPATION:
Technological innovation and political regulation can only be effective if “the people” participate in their various roles as polluters, producers and consumers of goods, citizens and voters. Democratic regimes are not well prepared for the level of participation that is required: Can free democratic societies cope with the effects of grave changes in the global climate, or might authoritarian regimes possibly be better placed to enforce the necessary measures?
Dear Christian – hmm, check out Russian and Chinese responses to Copenhagen – maybe it will be a good thing. Perhaps the EU will want to become, if it is not already, more authoritarian, but see how well the EU has responded to the Haitian earthquake, so speedily and so actively (cough), that I don’t think there is too much to worry about. The EU numpties couldn’t organise a p*** up in a brewery – it staggers me, their incompetence in this respect. I don’t understand how they can be so adept in taking away our sovereignity (I’m english, by the way). Must be the idiots we have in our parliament handing it to them on a plate.
Steve K (09:34:39) :
“Are you suggesting that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas? If that’s your point, then what’s your evidence?”
It was printed in New Scientist that CO2 is a greenhouse gas.
That is evidence.
The summers been pretty cool in NZ as well, we have had summer snow in the southern alps a few times over the last few weeks
Less snow than usual here on Vancouver Island, although we have been hit by the ‘Pineapple express’ a bit more than usual.
Pineapple Express link: http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Pineapple_Express
Won’t do the 2010 Winter Olympics much good unless we get some decent snowfall soon. Maybe we should ask the Aussies for theirs?
Hypothesis:
Low solar output tends to lower the freezing level.
As in the icy cold of space impinges on the Earth’s atmosphere.
My recollection from reports is that in Revolutionary America, late 18th century, it snowed in August in New England.
The Little Ice Age
Christian Ermecke (07:49:39) said:
The only world government the Chinese would accept is one where they are in charge.
I think claims of a world government conspiracy, while possibly accurate, are little to worry about at the moment.
Andrew30: I’m trying to get at the meaning of the phrase “That’s what they claim the co2 does,” which K. Bray wrote.
I don’t know who they “they” he refers to is, nor what “does” refers to. However, based on K. Bray’s full post (“Warmists will be humiliated every time “Global Warming” is mentioned. That’s what they claim the co2 does. Forget “Climate Change”. Their term “Global Warming” will remind them it is folly every time it is used. “) he seems to be suggesting that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas — which is where the “warming” in “global warming” comes from: CO2 absorbs IR and — hence — warms the atmosphere. (Tyndall first recognized this 150 years ago — although I doubt he knew it was IR that was the reason.) So all I’m am tying to do is understand what he meant by what he wrote.
“Cooma resident Krystal Pernitsch said the wind chill factor made Monday’s high temperature of 59 degrees (15 degrees Celsius) feel like 48 degrees (9 Celsius).”
Is it just me or does that not sound a little warm for snow?
I’m trying to think of a way of blaming Australian snow on the gulf stream.
Magnus A (07:59:02) :
Magnus, thank you for that link. So CO2 is now responsible for Ice Ages, Runway Global Warming, and Plants being able to grow quicker. Australia might be the best location to ride out an Ice Age. The outback might become a very lush rain forest. or not.
Hmmm, if we *are* starting a new Ice Age Era, we will want the CO2 level as high as possible to make what land is available for farming as productive as possible. Maybe we will have green houses to hold our Green House Gas at higher levels then outside to try and meet the worlds food needs. oh the Irony if that happens.
Meanwhile, its all CO2 fault… its like a broken record. Everything is man’s fault. I specifically loved this quote about the use of WRONG Technology making it happen again.
…”Ian Fairchild, lead investigator, told the London newspaper Daily Telegraph: “We came up with an independent test of a theory that the earth, like a baked Alaska pudding, was once hot on the outside, surrounding a cold, icy surface. It happened naturally in the past, but the wrong use of technology could make it happen again.””
Jack Barnes
Gold Beach Oregon
Just because there is a lull in cold and snow weather in the US, doesn’t mean it is not still going on in the rest of the world this winter. It is still winter folks. The cold and warm circulates around the globe in waves.
“Parts of northern China are seeing their harshest winter in decades, with Beijing this month receiving its heaviest one-day snowfall in 59 years. Temperatures in the capital were due to rise above freezing this week.
Herders moved thousands of others to safer pastures at lower altitudes ahead of the latest storm front, which is expected to last through Wednesday.
Temperatures in parts of Xinjiang are set to plunge to minus 45 degrees (minus 43 Celsius) by midweek, according to Xinjiang Meteorological Station forecaster Wei Rongqing.
Wei said snow was falling in the region’s Altay district, where accumulations had already risen to 3 feet (94 centimeters). Altay lies in China’s extreme northwestern corner, 1,600 miles (2,600 kilometers) northwest of Beijing, the capital.
“Livestock raising has been hit hard. Both wild animals and livestock haven’t been able to find food, but now forage has been allocated by the central government,” Wei said. Some 500,000 people in total were affected by the harsh weather, he said. The figure includes those who suffered property damage and supply shortages or were isolated by snow drifts and icy roads.
Direct economic losses were being estimated at 300 million yuan ($44 million) as of Thursday and were expected to continue rising, Wei said.
“We’re taking emergency measures, including evacuating remote areas,” Wei said. Calls to Xinjiang government spokesmen rang unanswered.
Parts of northern China are seeing their harshest winter in decades, with Beijing this month receiving its heaviest one-day snowfall in 59 years. Temperatures in the capital were due to rise above freezing this week.”
Extreme Cold, Snow Kills 4 In Northwest China
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/18/extreme-cold-snow-kills-4_n_426698.html
bill sticker “Won’t do the 2010 Winter Olympics much good unless we get some decent snowfall soon. ” ???
It has snowed 136 cm at Whistler in the past seven days. Looks like lots of snow up there:
http://www.whistlerblackcomb.com/photos/index.htm
… and after the record snows of November. Surely there is enough snow on the ski slopes for the Lympix.
Are the reports wrong? Just wondering. Thanks.
Bill Sticker – Re Olympics
They are not holding the Luge on Granville Street. I for one am very glad there is no snow on the sreets, I could not imagine the problems if there was.
Whistler ( Where the Games except for the Inside Tracks like Speed Skating is actually being hosted) is in great shape so far. Perhaps not making the same 1200Km smoothing error of GISS and extrapolating the weather on Vancouver Island to the Coastal Mountains would be a better course of action.
http://www.onthesnow.ca/british-columbia/whistler-blackcomb/skireport.html
Another interesting comprehensive blog post reviewing the Climategate emails:
http://poneke.wordpress.com/2010/01/15/gate/
The Downunder author is a reputable journalist and says he read all of the emails before coming to his conclusions.
Sacrifice to the weather gods:
http://www.quadrant.org.au/magazine/issue/2009/6/the-aztec-solution
the more things change, the more they remains the same.