All six parts of the hour-long special aired during prime time Sunday night on Fox News featuring Steve McIntyre and Ross McKitrick are now online below. Both Phil Jones and Michael Mann ducked requests for interviews. I can perhaps understand Jones’ situation, since he has not been giving other interviews, but in Mann’s case he’s been on a media blitz writing op-eds for the Washington Post and giving interviews to dozens more. His bias, (or perhaps cowardice) is showing. If his work is so “robust”, why not defend himself in this venue?
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Thank you for posting this. I meant to watch this last night but I missed it. It is a pretty even handed coverage of the subject. It’s not Fox’s fault that none of the “pro AGW” side wanted to speak on camera about it. So, they let the skeptic side of the issue dominate the story. That’s how it goes.
Steve did very well on this. He came across as a very intelligent, well meaning, mild mannered guy, not some crazed “denier” trying to sell a story. Good job.
Reasonably balanced programme – I never realised the MMs were so good looking……
Steve and the rest — They did us proud …
vboring (08:48:44) :
I just wish anyone other than Fox News had put this together.
I think what we really need to wish is that anyone IN ADDITION TO Fox starts reporting this. Can you imagine how fence sitters might view this if Fox and, say, CNBC agreed on the issue?
I have read that the latest data from Nasa confirms AWG and also shows that AWG is not settled. How can the same data both confirm and add confusion? Again it is a matter of context. I am no Scientist nor do I play one on TV but I have been studying the Climate Science for about 12 years. I am by no means able to contribute any meaningful technical insight but I can say that everything I have read from all the sources I could find only confirm what I had long thought and that is that the Climate is the outcome of many different processes all of which interact and some in ways that seem counterintuitive.
What has always bothered me about the Alarmists is they have been controlling the message and shuting down debate. It is the total arrogance that first raised my suspicions. I just appreciate all the work that has been done on sites like this and Climate Audit etc.
According to the latest ratings and demographic breakdown, I saw:
Fox News has more Democrats watching them than the other cable news networks combined.
Do you want me to state that again?
More Democrats watch Fox News than the other cable news networks combined.
Which means?
A significant number of Democrats are getting an eye-full when they watch Fox–more so than any other source, especially if the other cable channels refuse to admit the sky is blue.
vboring (08:48:44) :
“I just wish anyone other than Fox News had put this together.
Most people who think Fox is a credible source already think AGW is a hoax.
Most people who think AGW is real think everything that Fox says is indefensible political jibber-jabber.”
Well if the other mainstream media aren’t doing their job, where do they go to get their information? That’s been the whole problem all along.
OT would readers add some expert info on this post by the biggest Conservative blogger in the UK?
He’s trying to be helpful to open the debate but is over-run by warmists
http://iaindale.blogspot.com/2009/12/oxford-is-cool.html
Neo (09:06:41) :
… the good old fashion Amish “shun.”
Wait till they get theirs!
Is there enough crow for the AGW crowd?
Side note on media coverage of “climategate”: Thomas Lifson, from americanthinker.com was the guest host on Dennis Miller’s radio show today. He had fellow American Thinker science editor, Marc Sheppard, as a guest. Sheppard was extremely good. He was degrees more accurate than some of the other radio and TV folks that support AGW skepticism. Sheppard explained a few of the controversial emails in detail and even got into the data “adjustment” area (Fox could have done more on this). At one point when asked about the veracity of the data, he said: “Anthony Watts has made mincemeat of the station data.” (that’s an accurate paraphrase).
Dennis Miller has been a voice of reason on global warming since he has been on the air. Props to him!
I have often wondered about the lack of balance in the global warming science. Now we see evidence of the deliberate sabotage of the peer-review process.
Why should we think that such tactics are limited to just climate science? What other branches of science have been manipulated? What are working scientist going to do to try to restore some level credibility to their field?
Mike Ramsey
Wade said (in part)
“But the difference is, CNN, ABC, CBS, and NBC are so big the right has to work with them.”
Ans: Nope. Not anymore. The Internet has leveled the playing field. In fact, you might say the Internet has run over CNN, ABC, and the rest of the alphabet soup.
“I learned a long time ago not to watch any of them. I used to listen to Glenn Beck, but then he started going really crazy. I mean Rush Limbaugh crazy. I couldn’t take it anymore. Then I tried to watch his program one night, and he actually is even crazier. To me, the only thing sadder than the eco-zealots is the people who take what is said on entertainment news at face value. It is sadder because such people can become zealots for a cause, that is the last thing this world needs.”
Ans: Glenn Beck is quite the entertainer, but after the goofy looks, theatrics and tears, have you caught him in a lie? If so, please point it out. Better yet, email it to Glenn—his email addy is me@glennbeck.com. Since he gets about 4,000 emails a day, it might take a day or two for him to get to it. And if you can show where you have caught him in a lie, he’ll research it and offer a public apology. He’s done it before, which is almost never seen from the alphabets.
Having watched Glenn Beck for a while, I’d say what he’s zealous about is our freedoms and keeping our country something worth giving to our kids. He does it by asking difficult questions, and actually expects an answer—keeping our government (Republican or Democrat) accountable. If that’s being zealous, I’m with Glenn, thank you.
And if his theatrics bother you, you can read his message simply by signing up. I recommend it.
As a liberal AGW non-believer (I don’t like denier) I also wish it had been other than Fox. I detest that station and it’s loony sycophantic ravers. However the best suggestion is above, how about both MSNBC and Fox. CNN had a fear mongering bit on last night so are unlikely to switch. I have sent several letters to Rachel Maddow suggesting she look at the other side of the argument, to no effect so far. What if she got letters from 2 or 3 dozen WUWT readers?
As an Englishman who’s occasionally seen fox news, I wouldn’t want to go on fox to discuss any topic, as you’re not exactly going to get a balanced discussion.
What I find so very effective is the character of both McIntyre and McKittrick. They are clearly being honest and it shows in their interviews. No need to spin anything they say. That must infuriate the fraudsters no end. Dr Carter from Australia is another one to listen to if you want the truth. Kate at Small dead animals has some vids of Dr. Carter that are well worth seeing. http://smalldeadanimals.com
Thanks for this Anthony et al.
I don’t watch TV, but I watch the ratings. There is a reason that Fox is rubbing the noses of the alphabets in the playground sand: most people don’t want to be spoon fed their propaganda, no matter how slick it’s done. And they want to see both sides of the issues.
Thanks fox news. Well done and factual. At least the skeptics agree that global warming exits as I do. I don’t believe it’s due to a large man made pollution problem and I don’t believe it’s going to result in a catastrophic ending. The left is just using it to make money and grab power. That’s what I detest. I think we’ll know in 10 to 20 years for sure. I think we know now but it’s not settled yet. Thanks Anthony.
De Boer’s main scare scenario “a sea level rise of 1m would displace 20 million people in Bangla Desh” shows just how disconnected he is from other reality than climate change.
Firstly, a sea level ris of 1m/century is well above the latest IPCC scenarios, which themselves are in part due to a natural rise of sea-level since the ice age and the little ice age.
The main point is, however, that Bangla-Desh has currently a population of over 150 million increasing at a rate of 2.1% per year on a land of the size of New York State.
So, their population increases by De Boer’s 20 million in just 6 years. Where to put these people then, if this is a real problem, and isn’t this lifestyle then a much bigger threat to Bangla Desh or probably their neighbours ?
Murray (10:27:09) :
The truth is a difficult thing to arrive at. The founding father’s believed that a free press was the best way for a democracy to arrive at the truth.The marketplace of competing ideas would determine which way the democracy would go.
How free is the press? Outside of the internet, the press is concentrated into the hands of a very few. Try to image just how much less information you would be getting if Fox vanished from the airwaves? Would you really be happier?
Fox News is averaging about the same number of viewers as MSNBC, CNN, HLN combined. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/25/fox-news-averaging-about-_n_220659.html
Why do you think that is?
Mike Ramsey
My apologies for misspelling Dr McKitrick’s name.
i’m not sure you can find a dozen or two people willing to listen to Rachel Maddow. Comparing MSNBC to Fox only reinforces how far left the media bend is that the two “seem” equidistant in partisanship (if only by the outrage from the main parties).
Fox is only far enough right to capture the middle and the right. The other stations are fighting over the left. CNN would be wise to shift back to the center, but the media and government seem tied at the hip these days.
There are many Fox hosts and contributors that have their “lefty” credentials. Fox can polarize in both directions without fear of losing the right.. where would they go?
We just hear the soundbites and clips of Fox that flog the left, because it’s the left that becomes outraged. What media outlet dares challenge the democratic party? They are supposed to be off-limits.
Thought this would amuse 😀
http://plato-says.blogspot.com/2009/12/matt-does-it-again.html
Well Fox news did a good job. But they should have cornered Edward Markey in obvious flaws in his argument.
He was sort of caught Fox – “You are saying here is a requirement figure out how we are going to get there. But if we don’t? What happens?”
Markey – “Oh we are going to get there. Our capacity for technological innovation is unlimited” –
Thats faith Markey – you havent answered the question – HOW?
Fox – “you know the critics say that’s just not do-able”
Markey – “The average vehicle in 1975 was 13 mpg but the United States made a commitment to double the mileage by 1986 and we did it, our new goal is to increase it to 35 mpg by 2016 and we will meet that goal – thats American ingenuity” –
Markey – you’re a bloody idiot. What has mpg got to do with cap n trade?
American ingenuity maybe alive and well but you are a living example of American stupidity. The reason why America is going downhill so fast.
The mileage increased because the price of oil went up. The Japanese and Europeans already had cars more efficient than yours. Do you even realise that the American car industry has gone bust? 35 mpg? – big deal ! The Japanese already have cars that do 35 mpg. How will cap n trade help you to reach that goal?
So when you say “WE” will meet that goal – what you mean is the Japanese will meet that goal. You may buy the cars that you cannot produce anymore because your industries are inefficient and will be more so after cap n trade. Eventually you wont be able to buy the cars, or anything else that you wont produce anymore thanks to cap n trade which will make you rapidly into another Zimbabwe.
This is just mad – insane. Is the western world just stupid? And the collective stupidity has sort of bubbled up into this global warming self destructing self deluding hoax?
Manfred,
These alarmists all like to float out the big sea level rises. But if you ask them to place their bets, they suddenly change the subject.
1 meter per century means 10 cm in the next 10 years. Good luck trying to find an alarmist willing to put money down on this. You won’t even find one willing to bet on 5 cm. You might find a few willing to bet (only small money) on 3 cm.
They blow off lots of hot air, but don’t stand behind their own talk.
Send Yves de Bore a proposition to bet on a meter. But don’t hold your breath expecting him to jump on it.
Rupert Murdoch seems to be backing both horses on the climate news front.
Sky news UK is pushing AGW like it’s going out of fashion.