Obama takes on skeptics in speech, tries to rally climate crusaders

President Barack Obama spoke on the last day of climate talks at the United Nations Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen, Denmark. The President called on all major economies to put forward decisive national actions that will reduce their emissions and turn the corner on climate change.

Excerpt From NYT’s ClimateWire, By DARREN SAMUELSOHN AND LISA FRIEDMAN

Obama Tries to Rally U.N. Climate Conference, but Deadlock Persists

Behind the scenes, dozens of presidents and prime ministers worked on a three-page document that they hope will become the lone outcome of the two-week negotiations here.

But the blame game is also under way with more than 115 heads of state in Copenhagen — many with years of work and their prestige on the line — struggling to bridge a divide between the world’s rich and poor nations. Several major industrialized countries pointed the finger at China for balking at demands to ensure their emission commitments would be open for public scrutiny.

A hush fell over the entire Bella Center during Obama’s eight-minute speech (pdf). He took on climate skeptics with his opening words and then made an all-out push for a collective agreement.

“While the reality of climate change is not in doubt, I have to be honest, as the world watches us today, I think our ability to take collective action is in doubt right now and it hangs in the balance,” he said. “I believe we can act boldly, and decisively, in the face of a common threat. That is why I have come here today. Not to talk, but to act.”

But with nearly 200 countries handing the negotiations over to their heads of state after two brutal weeks of gridlock, those talks have yet to bear any fruit.

China’s leader ignores compromise meeting

Obama and 19 other world leaders, including British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, French President Nicolas Sarkozy, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, met for about 90 minutes in the Bella Center trying to find a compromise.

Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao boycotted the meeting and instead sent his vice foreign minister, He Yafei. In remarks to reporters, Sarkozy noted the protocol breach and said an agreement remained out of reach because of Beijing’s resistance to emissions monitoring.

Read the rest of the story at the New York Times: Obama Tries to Rally U.N. Climate Conference, but Deadlock Persists

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224 thoughts on “Obama takes on skeptics in speech, tries to rally climate crusaders

  1. cursadors – I like it! Okay, so you may not have meant that, but it’s still quite good.
    Hehe – the BBC and all the other outlets reporting a deal were lying.
    This whole thing IS falling apart!
    Wen Jiabao’s actions speak far louder than any of Obama’s words.
    REPLY: Yup it was funny, but fixed now. -Anthony

  2. His speeches are pretty lame without a teleprompter, even though he is reading from a piece of paper. Just shows the man can’t think and talk at the same time. He clearly does not know what he is talking about, sounds unsure.
    This is supposed to be the decisive speech, to close the deal. Public backlash will grow as regulations set in.

  3. Good.
    I was wondering where the $1 Trillion (100 billion/year x 10) they promised to developing countries was going to come from?

  4. “We are the CLIMATE BORG, you WILL be assimilated, resistance is futile.
    Because The Big Computer Model say so…”

  5. Obama: “While the reality of climate change is not in doubt”
    But the cause of it is in doubt. We don’t know if anthropogenic causes are driving our observed warming. You can’t just pass legislation over something we don’t even know is really happening! What good will you do to bankrupt the world over something that likely will not change anything?
    AGW hangs by three tiny threads:
    1. Tree ring proxies that attempt to hide the MWP and LIA
    2. Temperature data that has to be manipulated to show greater warming
    3. Computer models that are notoriously inaccurate

  6. This must be the most moronic sentence ever spoken by someone other than Al Gore…

    “Unchecked, climate change will pose unacceptable risks to our security, our economies and our planet.”

    Obama to halt climate change! What next? Part the Red Sea? Turn water into wine?
    Hey Barry! The climate is always changing. It has always been changing. It will always be changing. You can no more check climate change than you can check plate tectonics.
    Go tilt at some freaking windmills keep your mitts out of our wallets!

  7. “He took on climate skeptics with his opening words and then made an all-out push for a collective agreement.”
    and he’s managed to alienate half the US population.

  8. And he hits a high fly ball, curving left, and it’s gonna be a foul ball folks.
    The crowd was on their feet, but now they’re suddenly quiet.
    And here in Copenhagen, the count is 0 and 2, 2 strikes against the batter…
    TL

  9. What happened to the support of the BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India And China).
    If-one-goes-the-other-go-agreement ?

  10. All “leaks” are created equal, but some “leaks” are more equal than others.
    Some leaks are illegal hacks, other leaks are just wholesome leaks and harmless and cuddly and justified and legal and…It all boils down to where, when and who is doing the leak and what the purpose is, or is it?

  11. Watch carefully everyone, witness what you see here at the end. This is the madness of large groups of people who have suspended disbelief, who have put aside their own critical thinking skills. As someone who was raised inside a cult, I know only too well what that’s like, and how earth-shattering it is to realize you were thinking BS for a very long time.
    They’re going to be very dazed and confused when they finally realize how wrong they are, which might leave quite a vacuum of thought in the world.

  12. I thought Obama’s speech was fair in the circumstances.
    He can only go on what his scientific advisers tell him.

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  14. From the Obama speech:
    “[…] I have to be honest, […]”
    (Gasp! LOL! Snort! LOL! Choke! LOL!)
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    Anybody else besides me cleaning coffee off their computer monitor?

  15. “While the reality of climate change is not in doubt,…”
    Does anybody not know the climate changes? I really think these guys believe the climate is not supposed to change. The false premise is the climate is changing only because of human activity, or human activity is a major factor in climate change.
    Only if you deny the Holocene Climate Optimum, the Roman Warm Period, the Medieval Climate Optimum, the Little Ice Age, etc, does the climate today seem unnatural.

  16. Telling. A passionless speech from a man who clearly has no belief in his rhetoric. I agree with Joe above – Obama *is* using a teleprompter but it’s clear he’s ‘out-to-lunch’ when it comes to having any emotional connection to the words he’s reading out… you can’t hide that.

  17. This speech is absurd. Even if human activity is warming our environment, the measures Obama outlines will have little or no impact.

  18. I would think they pretended to reach an agreement just to save their a$$es and get out of there… do you imagine what the brainwashed environsheeples out there would do…

  19. Obama says “I just want to say to this plenary session that we are running short on time.” And he is right.
    The current descent into at least the equivalent of a Dalton (solar) Minimum gives the major governments only a few years, if not months, to perform the greatest tax grab in the history of the world.
    Then, mark our words, the money will be seen to be important to feed the world’s starving and freezing billions that are impacted by Climate Change’s devastation of conventional world agriculture.

  20. I see a teleprompter, but from the looks TOTUS (Teleprompter Of The United State) must be on vacation (somewhere where it is warmer).

  21. This article in the Telegraph, regarding the leaked document from the UN, is a good one (found on Drudge):
    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geraldwarner/100020279/copenhagen-climate-summit-most-important-paper-in-the-world-is-a-glorified-un-press-release/
    “But boy! Was this crass, or what? The apocalyptic document revealing that even if the Western leaders hand over all the climate Danegeld demanded of them, appropriately at the venue of Copenhagen, the earth will still fry on a 3C temperature rise is the latest transparent scare tactic to extort more cash from taxpayers. The danger of this ploy, of course, is that people might say “If we are going to be chargrilled anyway, what is the point of handing over billions – better to get some serious conspicuous consumption in before the ski slopes turn into saunas.””

  22. HA! The White House spokespersons are now sounding resigned to defeat!!
    “We’ve done what we can here,” a senior White House official in Copenhagen, Denmark, tells ABC News. “The Chinese are dug in on transparency and are refusing to let people know they’re living up to their end of the agreement.”
    http://tinyurl.com/y8zuzep
    This is so rich! The lying liars have lied themselves into a corner! The media, the governments, the activists *all* put on the full court press to convince everyone there would be a last minute deal – but it was all a lie! Now they have to face the shock, anger, and bitter disapointment that nothing that was promised is going to come about!
    Oh, sweet, sweet justice, thine glory hath finally showeth!!

  23. The key development in Copenhagen was the Red Chinese Premier boycotting the US President and Secy of State. That was amusing. It will be downright hilarious when the Red Chinese boycott the next US Treasury auction. T-Bill rates will explode and the collectivist socialists in the Congress and Obama Administration will have to cut spending or default on US sovereign debt obligations. Cap and Trade and Health Care Reform or mere sound and fury signifying nothing. The Red Chinese are the Conress’s bank, and the bank calls the tune, and the bank is say p@#&-off mates. This is so sweet.

  24. Dismissing the scientific fraud is dismissing the elephant in the room.
    The scientific fraud reeks like rotten fish.
    This is about control of the world economy; that’s why the proponents are defending the indefensible, because the Science isn’t the important thing, it’s just the fig leaf justifying the ends — international control of the world economy.
    On the bright side, Copenhagen is a failure.

  25. Here is the interesting text for me:
    “That is why I have come here today. Not to talk, but to act.”
    And what happened at Queen Margarethe’s dinner, when Greenpeace crashed the banquet?
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601130&sid=aCRvWBO.H8KM
    Why, they unveiled a banner that said “”Politicians Talk – Leaders Act”.
    I’m terribly sorry, Michael Strong, and I say this with love as your fellow citizen who did not vote for him:
    He didn’t drink the KoolAid.
    Many of those who voted for him did.
    He IS the KoolAid.

  26. If the US Senate rejects whatever is produced here and the Chinese and Russians ignore it; what happens to the EU economy? Are whole industries going to die on the vine, the consumers saddled with high energy costs have their standard of living collapse, any ideas?

  27. I hope they’re keeping the runway clear at Copenhagen Airport otherwise they could get the weekend to talk more nonsense.

  28. Seems a bit surreal, like our U.K. government passing the climate bill on the earliest snow day in 70 years. They’re trying to do this during one of the coldest Decembers in years.
    DaveE.

  29. A droid.
    Hes like Keith Harris’s Orville and about as smart.
    I really thought Obama was smarter than this but one again, like all the rest of them, he’s lived up to my expectations.
    He’s sunk. The voters will kick him to bits.

  30. “No grand idea was ever born in a conference,
    but a lot of foolish ideas have died there.”
    – F. Scott Fitzgerald (1896-1940)

  31. This is a courageous bluff by a poker player who is holding a pair of deuces.
    The very fact Obama states, “While the reality of climate change is not in doubt…” is a brazen denial of fact.
    The fact is that bad science has cast a pall of doubt over things I had no doubt about, even two years ago.
    Concerning temperatures: I know it is acceptable to state that there has been warming over the past 100 years, and to follow by debating how much of that warming was caused by man and how much by nature. However the figures have been so “adjusted” that I am entertaining doubts as to whether we can be sure temperatures have risen at all.
    Concerning CO2 levels: If just a core of climate scientists can have had such power, and were able to basically maim temperature record-keeping, can I be sure about the small core of scientists in charge of measuring CO2 levels, and their record-keeping?
    We can go back and check the temperature records of stations in our local areas, and compare these records with the “adjusted” records used by governments, and be alarmed by how altered the data is.
    But can we do the same double-checking, when it comes to the measurement of CO2 atop Mauna Loa? No. Not unless we drive up there with our own CO2 measuring kits. So are we suppose to trust the record-keepers, after our trust has been abused in other areas of science?
    I find it difficult to express the level of contempt I feel to the quasi-scientists involved in the Climategate mess. They have abused my trust and squandered my tax-dollars. They have mislead the common man and frightened little children. They have smeared filth on environmentalism, and fouled the fair name of true Science.
    For Obama to pretend this hasn’t happened is a denial of reality, and a failure on his part to do what a good leader does, which is to face hard truths, and deal with them.
    However, rather than dealing with what is actually is occurring, he deals with what isn’t occurring. What could be more pathetic?

  32. Dr Bob:
    “But the cause of it is in doubt. We don’t know if anthropogenic causes are driving our observed warming. ”
    We have an observed COOLING for the past decade. Let us never lose sight of this and the few other unanswerable facts. There has been no warming for 15 years and cooling for 9; the ocean temperature probes record no se surface temp increase; polar ice MASS is on the increase; polar bear populations are NOT declining; sea level estimates indicate a stabilizing trend.
    In a recent and very public forum in which I was pitted against an AGW propagandist from Lehigh Univ. I stuck to those types of facts and he had NO responses. Once questioning wandered into ClimateGate, he had all sorts of opinions and excuses and typical apologetic tactics, but he simply could not contradict the RECENT verifiable facts and trends. I invited my colleague to contradict any of the facts I had summarized at the presentation and he couldn’t.
    As I said to JoNova recently, there just ain’t nothin’ like numbers and facts and if we stick to them we become more and more credible.

  33. “Friends of the Earth said in a statement, “Obama has deeply disappointed not only those listening to his speech at the UN talks, he has disappointed the whole world.”
    Looks like the trip is already paying off. Keep up the good work Mr. President.

  34. Very disappointing. Either Obama believes this tripe, in which case he doesn’t know what he is talking about and is just relying blindly on his advisors in this most important of issues; or he doesn’t believe it and is simply going through the motions to save face, appease Holdren, push through an agenda or some other reason. Either way, very disappointing.

  35. oh at least Obama is a conman and nothing more. The trouble is: it is easier to con a conman than a man of integrity. (Since they believe their own fraud methods as truthful)

  36. I would love to see a nice cartoon depicting the aggregate of the known world’s annointed leaders in a room trying hard not to look at the elephant in the room, and the elephant on the verge of tears wondering what it did wrong.

  37. “While the reality of climate change is not in doubt,…”
    These guys believe in the hockey stick. Climate change is seen as something unusual. They see evidence that climate changes as being evidence that CO2 is causing it. “What else could it be?” they ask.
    “There is overwhelming evidence.” they say.
    BTW what is Obama’s background in science. Some? any?

  38. Breaking news: India, China walk out of climate summit: Report
    PTIFriday, December 18, 2009 16:20 IST Email
    Copenhagen: India and China have taken a united stand and walked out of the climate summit as Copenhagen talks fail.
    Tensions prevailed at the climate talks at Copenhagen today, as Indian prime minister Manmohan Singh and China premier Wen Jiabao walked out of the summit along with their respective delegations, as talks failed.
    http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_breaking-news-india-china-walk-out-of-climate-summit-report_1324981

  39. George Barwood (07:47:26)
    You say ”Obama can only go on what his scientific advisers tell him”
    If what you say is correct who is pulling the strings?
    Does this mean that what little matter that rolls around inside his head has been neutralized ? ( as between first and second gear ) Listening to his speech, I was reminded of a one armed paper hanger.

  40. Boudu (08:01:38) :
    I hope they’re keeping the runway clear at Copenhagen Airport otherwise they could get the weekend to talk more nonsense.

    LOLhahaha

  41. I think Gubment Motors should build more Pious Hybrids and give them to developing poor nations. I forgot. The Pious Hybrid is Toyoto.
    Maybe we should form Kyoto Motors and build corn stalk fueled hybrids?

  42. NK (08:00:25) :
    The key development in Copenhagen was the Red Chinese Premier boycotting the US President and Secy of State. That was amusing. It will be downright hilarious when the Red Chinese boycott the next US Treasury auction. T-Bill rates will explode and the collectivist socialists in the Congress and Obama Administration will have to cut spending or default on US sovereign debt obligations. Cap and Trade and Health Care Reform or mere sound and fury signifying nothing. The Red Chinese are the Conress’s bank, and the bank calls the tune, and the bank is say p@#&-off mates. This is so sweet.

    You’ve named only two of the possible consequences. The third is more likely for the “one nation under obamanation”:
    TAX INCREASES

  43. AGW is one more leak away from falling apart.
    That Hypenchangen is turning into a wasted effort is great news for the environment, for people and the quality of their lives.

  44. Looks like the bribes and guilt trip money wasn’t enough even with Hopey there to ply his silver tongue. Maybe he just didnt find the right G77 spot to apply it to.

  45. Where to begin? First there are the climate change howlers, but I won’t bother with those. The one idea that keeps recurring is about “job creation” – those millions of “green jobs” that will be so good for America. There seems to be some disconnect with his main thesis, because he then states that these new sustainable energy forms will be more efficient. If that is the case, why do they need massive government subsidies before they can happen?
    Knowing that this is a lie, and these “sustainable” energies represent the least efficient forms of energy other than bestial forms, it is clear that in as much as more “green” jobs can be created by government fiat, these jobs will by necessity be unproductive jobs.
    President Obama, therefore, is making a speech promising to move Americans into unproductive jobs. But this is ok, because they will be “green” and unemployment will be cut at a stroke. The reality is that, if such a stategy is employed, Americans will produce less wealth per man hour than at present and as such become poorer. Hallelujah.
    If the commons understood what their president has planned on their behalf, they would be waiting outside the Whitehouse with pitchforks and flaming torches.

  46. Add this bit too – “The extent of crisis in the talks has taken leaders by surprise.” Ha! Morons!!! Anyone with even a shred of honesty saw this coming from miles away!!!
    And now this – all the activists, the true believers in Hope’n’change are now facing the fact that they bought into a fraud.
    Remember how for days now the word has been that “Obama will come and save the conference!” What’s so funny is that they really believed this! Of course, The One is now going to find out that dispointed people can be very bitter indeed:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/18/obama-speech-copenhagen
    “We have charted our course, we have made our commitments, and we will do what we say,” Obama said.
    “But in the absence of any evidence of that commitment the words rang hollow and there was a palpable sense of disappointment in the audience.”
    “Friends of the Earth said in a statement, “Obama has deeply disappointed not only those listening to his speech at the UN talks, he has disappointed the whole world.”

  47. >>Copenhagen: India and China have taken a united stand and walked out of the climate summit as Copenhagen talks fail.
    Told ya, reports of a deal were way too premature and we have China and India for saving our bacon.

  48. Scientific enquiry and climate propaganda ought to be distinguished and are not the same thing. In that respect, Obama doesn’t have scientific advisers. If he did, they would be Veizer, Roy Spencer, Lindzen et al, and quite a few scientists who published prior to 1995.
    The present consensus is not science. It could be described as pseudo scientific propaganda, which is more apt to meet a crossroads with political motives. There is an inverse ratio between man playing god and his level of incompetance, the more foolish he is, the more he plays infallible, although ignorance begets hostility to critics, even when those critics are correct.

  49. What will be their master’s punishment? ….Dark forces should change strategies after firing their overused servants…

  50. What is “an increase acceleration of the climate change phenomenon” ? Because apparantly we have one. Is it an accelerating psychological state? Is it a metaphor? Does Obama know because he said it? Did his science advisers give him the phrase or is it his own post-normal scientific term? Or is he referring to the increasing negative acceleration in temperature, the increasing negative acceleration on Arctic sea-ice or the increasing sceptical awareness arising from all the double speak?

  51. Just come back from pushing several inches of snow along my path for the first time in many years (S.E. England) and find out our ‘leaders’ , including Gordon Clown himself, still hard at work trying to make the world colder. Nice to know that the UK Government is borrowing billions of pounds in a good cause.

  52. I appreciate how The President honors 350.org in a unique way: by looking down at his notes 350 times! This is also 350 times more than I have ever seen him look down in his “first year” (or in the “zeroeth year” on the campaign trail for that matter). Glad I took the time to watch.
    Also, since this is my first post, I will say that my new desktop pic is the throng horde of snowmen from the other day. Classic.

  53. And China, following Confucious saying: “just waiting at the front door for the corpse to pass by…”
    We are living in interesting times, and in these times, even Shakespeare was wrong…Now the stars are driving the human affairs, and THEY can not do anything!!

  54. Obama says:
    “All of you would not be here unless the threat was real”
    Hookers take real money. reporters are paid real money to get a story. Limo drivers go for the money. Not some altruistic ordeal.
    Obama is full of it. Reducing our emissions by 17% by 2020 means we will have to reverse population growth. Who will step up and loan America money so we can give 100 billion a year?
    “mitigation transparency and financing” “It is a clear formula”.
    Chicago way is to do a shakedown.
    Obama is posturing and accuses the rest of them.

  55. “Sarkozy noted the protocol breach and said an agreement remained out of reach because of Beijing’s resistance to emissions monitoring.”
    ——————————
    Maybe the Chinese can set on the compromise of naming Phil Jones head of the emissions disclosure commission and Mann, CO2 emissions monitoring chief officer ?

  56. Copenhagen: India and China have taken a united stand and walked out of the climate summit as Copenhagen talks fail.

    I am sure it is all the fault of the Bush administration somehow.

  57. Let’s annotate just the first paragraph of the President’s speech:

    Good morning. It is an honor for me to join this distinguished group of leaders from nations around the world.[1] We come here in Copenhagen because
    climate change poses a grave and growing danger to our people. [2] All of you would not be here unless you — like me [3] — were convinced that this danger is real. [4] This is not fiction, it is science. [5] Unchecked, climate change will pose unacceptable risks to our security, our economies, and our planet. [6] This much we know. [7]

    1. A group which includes their excellencies Robert Mugabe and Hugo Chavez, to name but two.
    2. This is mistake number one already.
    3. I hope “like me” means “as I,” unless he were merely making a jussive appeal to admire him.
    4. Really? If I were a despotic leader of a country made impoverished by corrupt, cruel and imprudent policies would I stay away from a conference whereat I might enrich myself and my confederates merely because I doubted that the UN and the IPCC were accurately describing the reality of supposed global warming? Charitably, then, I call this a naïve delusion rather than a lie; but it is still mistake number two.
    5. Wrong, it is a fiction, not science, an egregious error of judgement, and mistake number three.
    6. Unchecked, unnecessary and overly burdensome taxation, the abandonment of beneficial technologies and industries whilst conterminously yielding to tyrannous measures of unelected bureaucracies will indeed pose unacceptably perilous risks to our security, our economies, and our planet; mistake number four.
    7. The proskynetic President asserts what is mistake number five: we do know that unchecked, alarmist nonsense promulgated by the UN’s Sacra Congregatio de Propaganda Fide is extremely dangerous and, unfortunately, too readily accepted, unquestioningly, but “this distinguished group of leaders” and the accompanying plague of proctoleichous parasites and accomplices.
    The President’s speech, alas, will be reported as wonderfully eloquent and intelligent, though it is merely meretriciously platitudinous and wrongheadedly contemptible.

  58. Does anyone else get the impression that very few politicians and witch doctors and palm readers survived THE GREAT GOLBAL WARMING EVENT about 15,000 years ago? Those poor people! Imagine what they had to endure.

  59. Let’s get the Red China thing out of the way, I lived in Hong Kong for years and travelled extensively in China, and the Far East, I never met a Chinese who was anything less than a 100% red blooded capitalist. For sure it’s not a democracy but it is a capitalist country big time and there was never anyway they were going to slow their rise to being the biggest economy in the world.
    I have been surprised on how ineffective Obama has been, he can talk the talk, but he seems to be one of those people who tries to be all things to all men, but we have to be fair to him, he has to rely on his scientific advisers for his information, at least he didn’t refer to sceptics as “flat earthers” like the execrable Mr. Brown.

  60. The AGW drama and many other phony events roll on — lights, action, camera — from the (fake) left and the (fake) right media. We have been “taught” to believe in a two party system that does not exist. Lead the opposition to control it –that is how this one body but two headed monster gets what it wants. Don’t believe in it and the real picture emerges clearly. Look past the all the mouthpieces to find the men behind the curtain manipulating this global stage play –follow the money as this production is a blockbuster and must be funded from very deep pockets.

  61. Epic Failure is the Obama. I wonder who gets to make this fool into the joke that he is, SNL, Sarah Palin or the Bloggers. Maybe the Noble Prize for Biggest Liar would be appropriate. Next FAIL will be Marxist HealthCare!

  62. @Jeremy (07:46:45) “Watch carefully everyone, witness what you see here at the end. … As someone who was raised inside a cult, I know only too well what that’s like, and how earth-shattering it is to realize you were thinking BS for a very long time.
    They’re going to be very dazed and confused when they finally realize how wrong they are”
    I’d really like to know what you recommend is best to do for the young people in our families in the West who believe all the AGW rubbish because they were filled up with this throughout their school days. I am worrying about one young relative; it is not her fault that she believes in AGW. Do we just wait patiently, kindly leaving them lots of “space” to work this out, or is it helpful to bring it up obliquely, casually in conversation, things like: “it must have been nice for the Roman centurions on duty on Hadrian’s Wall to be able to grow grapes, must have made them feel a bit more at home”; or “if CO2 rises and plant growth increases, do you think that we will be able to re-introduce the dinosaur that thrived for so many hundreds of years when CO2 levels were 18 times what they are now”.

  63. The positive outcome of all this seems to prove that most people wise up faster than most politician, according to latest polls about the cause of climate change.

  64. I think there will be a backlash from the greens after this and a possible scapegoating of Phil Jones et al for spoiling the party with their sloppy science. It could be ugly.

  65. LOOK out for INTERNET CENSORSHIP.. it is next. They have brought it up in AU and the UK… for your own good. Can’t have you thinking or hearing alternate views based on facts, not fiction and illusions.
    Now, we have to fight for our right to communicate. It is all that has truly saved us… for now. Once these clowns are exposed fully, I truly hope the ‘educated’ future ‘leaders’ will remember how lying, manipulating and so on will, in the end NOT pay off, regardless of what the hidden masters do say.
    No, now there is certainly going to be scrutiny from where it did not come from before… i hope.
    Fight against I2 and keep the free flow of info alive.
    Why hasn’t the leaker come forth? Damn. Russsia says they know where it came from, so release it already.

  66. What does it tell us about the level of corruption of our western democraties when we have to rely on communist China and Wahabi Saudi Arabia to bring a little bit of sanity into the talks?

  67. Isn’t it lovely they’ve managed to rebrand ‘global warming’ as ‘global climate change’? Warming, cooling, temperature stagnation, drought, wild fires, unusually early blizzards — it’s all because of CO2. Even earthquakes are apparently due to CO2, at least according to the UN opening video!

  68. The composer Rossini once said “Give me a laundry list and I will set it to music.’ No doubt if you gave the same list to Obama he could turn it into a speech. But no matter how you parse the words you still can’t make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

  69. I don’t see the “tips” thread anymore on the top bar so I will pass this along here:
    A scientific comedian!
    Biologist turned comedian.

    Tim Lee, performing last week, showed his comedy audience how a substitution in messenger RNA had no effect on a protein. The same is true of rock bands, he said. “You can actually remove the drummer and replace him with a guy you find living under a bridge.”

  70. Oops, I wrote too hastily, and typed a but instead of by; please read above:

    accepted, unquestioningly, by “this distinguished group of leaders” and the accompanying plague…

  71. “The reality of climate change is not in doubt” – Barack Obama
    So he’s trading politically on this proposition. It’s just as easy for me to say:
    “The reality of political bias in the science in not in doubt” – HankHenry

  72. My sincere congratulations to all participants, you have succeeded doing what you always do: NOTHING!
    Be Our Lord praised for that!

  73. Star Trek idea of a parallel universe:
    President Obama, of whom many are worried is way too conservative:
    “Let me be clear, now is not the time for action”

  74. I almost choked on the world biggest economy line..
    he forgot to say BANKRUPT!
    Bernanke will be warming up those Fiat money presses again..
    all the people living in tents that have lost their homes and jobs?
    wonder how they feel?
    charitably inclined to see money that could home and feed them given for no sane reason to “the poor 3rd world”?
    while they are the 1st worlds poor..
    if I closed my eyes I could hear Bush..if you arent with us, your against us echoing in my ears.
    Obama, some of us are so against you, you wouldnt believe:-)
    why does the earth never open and swallow idiots and dangerous fools like these?
    I’d love to arrange tickets to see Mayon go boom , up close and personal,for the whole stupid mob of sheeple they are.

  75. Copenhagen: India and China have taken a united stand and walked out of the climate summit as Copenhagen talks fail.
    Tensions prevailed at the climate talks at Copenhagen today, as Indian prime minister Manmohan Singh and China premier Wen Jiabao walked out of the summit along with their respective delegations, as talks failed.

    Copenhagen just doesn’t seem to like Obama.

  76. @Indigo (08:45:10) :
    “I’d really like to know what you recommend is best to do for the young people in our families in the West who believe all the AGW rubbish because they were filled up with this throughout their school days.”
    There is no simple answer for that except to always be an example of rational skepticism. It takes time to shed BS thinking, and it is a process that is unique to each individual. Regardless of what age they are, what culture they’re from, or what they believe, the best thing to show people is how to ask good questions and the importance of the question itself.

  77. “I was wondering where the $1 Trillion (100 billion/year x 10) they promised to developing countries was going to come from?”
    I have news for you: OUR POCKETS.

  78. Actually it gets better Fox News has this:
    “DEVELOPING STORY: India and China walked out of the climate summit in Copenhagen on Friday, the India news agency Press Trust of India reported. Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao walked out of the summit along with their respective delegations, as talks failed.”
    I guess they were a little underwhelmed by Barry.

  79. I think that the frantic scenes at the end of this conference has disproved the conspiracy theory that this was a done deal with media management making things more dramatic for impact.
    Wen Jiabao has played a blinder. The BBC are reporting (17:05 GMT) that the Chinese have sent a representative to the final round table leaders talks – the Chinese deal-makers are staying away. What’s the betting that the representative has no authority to negotiate?

  80. Is this what Obama meant when he promised in the campaign to “restore science to its rightful place”? Seems that what he really meant was: “restore science to its rightful place so long as it agrees with my socialist agenda.”

  81. “Oh, my, the AGW true-believers are trashing Obama’s speech in the Guardian:
    Barack Obama’s speech disappoints and fuels frustration at Copenhagen”
    So basically he’s pissed everyone off.

  82. Here’s a thought – the only thing that’s kept the U.S. from drowning itself in Kyoto and/or cap-and-trade has been China’s refusal to yield its sovereignty and to undermine its own economic development. If they had played along, the U.S. Senate might have ratified Kyoto. As bad as the economy is now, it’d be far worse were it not for China’s refusal to straitjacket its economy. Remember that, except for a handful of congressional critters, most have bought into the AGW nonsense. The only reason Congress hasn’t acted hasn’t been due to Republicans vs. Democrats, but because China wouldn’t play the West’s silly game.
    China and India and other developing nations are showing more integrity than our own politicians.

  83. Sheesh, its even worse for the status of the US presidency. From the Guardian:
    5.30pm:
    Obama is due to met Wen for a second time, according to the China Daily.
    The White House has confirmed that Obama was attempting to meet Wen in his hotel at around 6.15pm local time to discuss issues of verification, according to Allegra Stratton in Copenhagen.

  84. Out of interest, can anyone recommend a source for what is actually going on at COP 15? What is in the pie?
    I mean, they didn’t just all turn up for the free lunch and the fine weather. Or did everyone just come along to try their luck and see what they can win?
    I’m not trying to be cynical, I’d genuinely like to know.
    (What I am cynical about is how the BBC sends their “Science Editor” to report from COP 15, as if COP 15 was a science seminar? I’m tired of this “you have to listen to me because its science” political ploy. I’m so sick of it that it almost makes me wish people would go back to the old old authority, “you have to listen to me because God says so”.)

  85. As an earlier poster noted, no teleprompter = flat speech. There could be a number of reasons for this:
    1) With Copenhagen falling apart, the speech may have been prepared on the fly and so he wasn’t so familiar with the speech or hadn’t had an opportunity to practice it. Or,
    2) He really needs some type of audio-visual support such as a teleprompter so that he can read directly without “taking his eye off the crowd”. Being flanked by teleprompters helps – it’s why they’re so popular. Or,
    3) He was really p.o.’d by the Chinese and felt he had to provide a stern warning rather than the uplifting scripted sermon he wanted to provide. Or,
    4) There was no content about how the Won would somehow save the world by bringing everyone together. Or,
    5) He was confused that there weren’t at least 28 “I’s” or “me’s” in the speech.
    I think it was a little of all of the above.

  86. Jack Webb Schools Obama on Democracy
    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRYAqekvj4I&hl=en_US&fs=1&]

  87. Obama is fast becoming a failure on every conceivable level. How appropriate that he would display this, yet again, at a failed conference sponsored by an organization that has come to epitomize fraud and failure.

  88. @ H.R. (07:49:36) :
    From the Obama speech:
    “[…] I have to be honest, […]”
    (Gasp! LOL! Snort! LOL! Choke! LOL!)
    .
    .
    Anybody else besides me cleaning coffee off their computer monitor?

    It’s not my coffee, H.R.
    It’s my breakfast.
    And that includes my hypertension medication that I’ve required as of late, because of that man standing at the podium.

  89. WHAT AN EMPTY SPEECH, CLIMTEGATE, THE ONLY CLEAR OF ALL THIS DAYS, CLIAMTE CHANGE BY HUMAN EMISIONS IS A FRAUD, AND WE GONNA EXPOSE IT
    BIG HUG FROM ARGENTINA
    SORRY ABOUT MY ENGLISH, WISH U UNDERSTAND

  90. Looks like nobody else noticed what I noticed about that speech.
    By my count, the claim “AGW is real, and a huge threat” was implicitly included in the third, fouth, fifth, six, seventh, eighth, and ninth sentences. In many of those sentences, it was the ONLY thing being said.
    Why, do you suppose, did the US President feel the need to assert the “reality” of the AGW threat SEVEN TIMES IN A ROW – and right at the very beginning?
    In my experience, the people who feel they need to reassert something multiple times in a row are the people who are trying to convince other people of something in complete defiance of a reality that is staring those people right in the face. It shows profound insecurity about the message.
    Why is Obama so insecure, all of a sudden? I suspect that those SEVEN TIMES are the result of ClimateGate. Apparently, there’s real fear among these guys that ClimateGate will precipitate the unraveling of the whole scam. Even Obama is squirming. Take heart from this speech, my friends!
    Am I right? … Or am I right?

  91. Australian Journo Marian Wilkinson insists on pessimism (whilst accepting uncritically anything world leaders say) in the SMH:

    Copenhagen will mark a shift of tectonic proportions in political thinking around climate change internationally and in Australia. Scepticism about the science is now pushed further to the fringe. …
    In the final days of the conference, prime ministers and presidents from every corner of the globe rose to their feet in the main hall and spoke eloquently and sometimes desperately … .
    The Bangladeshi Prime Minister, Sheikh Hasina, said the number of climate refugees in her country were increasing daily. …
    Without radical reductions in global greenhouse gases, a sea-level rise of one metre is likely this century. It would inundate 18 per cent of Bangladesh and force 20 million Bangladeshis to seek refuge on higher ground.
    Ethiopia’s Prime Minister, Meles Zenawi, told how drought exacerbated by climate change already is sowing death across Africa. …
    From Vietnam, Nguyen Tan Dzung warned … .

    And so on and so on.

  92. Very flat. Bobble head without the teleprompter. Read sentence, look up left and say, read sentence, look up right and say. Also glad to hear we have $100 billion to give away.

  93. Cathy,
    We all now that when someone says things like ‘to be honest’ and ‘I have to be honest’ they are lying through their teeth.

  94. When I read this: “Behind the scenes, dozens of presidents and prime ministers worked on a three-page document that they hope will become the lone outcome of the two-week negotiations here”. I got confused on how agreements work between countries.
    Seems like a commitment or “agreement” which involves funding, such as the $100 Billion fund Ms. Hillary Clinton wants… um…doesn’t funding get approved and allocated by Congress, not the President? So, if this three page document, whatever it says, is supposed to be some proclamation…and even if the leaders sign it, it is basically worthless. My wife works for a local city government. They make proclamations all the time. They put them in nice glass frames and the mayor shakes the hand of the recipient and everyone smiles. They are worth less than the paper they are printed on, but they make everyone feel good.
    Group-think. Gotta love it.

  95. So Obama aligns himself with Robert Mugabe and Hugo Chavez and opens the door to the US Treasury for them — was that unexpected? Out of character?
    So Billary carried the keys for him — anyone surprised?
    The gap between the “leaders” of the world and the rest of humanity is growing larger. If any climate change is occurring, it’s in the political climate, which is emitting a foul stench and it ain’t CO2.

  96. I came to Copenhagen for
    cool aid for my countrymen. Financial aid
    All we got was Koolaid from Brother Obama
    ( we are also worried about not so cool aids from the sistas at the hotel)

  97. The warmists keep saying how mentioning the political leanings of many of those in Hypenhagen is a bad thing.
    But is honesty ever a bad thing?

  98. I am encouraged that Obama took precious speaking time to assure everyone that AGW was real. It means the warmists are getting worried about the loss of support for their position. If AGW was indeed proven and had a true consensus, the certainty of the warmist position would have been assumed and gone unmentioned. Me thinks he doth protest too much sort of thing.

  99. FredG (07:33:25) :
    “I was wondering where the $1 Trillion (100 billion/year x 10) they promised to developing countries was going to come from?”
    I think we’re supposed to borrow it from China, then pay them interest on the money while giving some of it back to them. Or something like that. No wonder they are balking. They already own a lot of bad debt.
    Robert M. (07:49:36) :
    LOL! “Turnabout is fair play” – after all.

  100. Perhaps the politicians can raise the bulk of this money from the likes of Mr Gore and all those rich Hollywood stars and other well to do folk who are always so eager to preach to the rest of us. After all, if climate change is such a desperate issue as they constantly imply, then surely these people would find the route to the moral superiority they crave by simply giving away all of their obscenely acquired wealth.

  101. I gain inspiration from stories and mythologies that fit the current problems. I love the original story from which Shakespeare’s Hamlet was drawn, even more than the Shakespearean version, as an inspiration for troubled times. It’s earthier but also full of vitality and higher truths. I’ve typed and uploaded it here for your enjoyment and recognition of clues.

  102. “We come here in Copenhagen because climate change {legislation} poses a grave and growing danger to our people. All of you would not be here unless you — like me — were convinced that this danger is real. This is not fiction, it is science. Unchecked, climate change {legislation} will pose unacceptable risks to our security, our economies, and our planet. This much we know.”
    Now it sounds correct to me.
    We also now know how to create cooling. According to Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said he “still” smelled sulfur after President Obama made a keynote speech at the Copenhagen climate conference Friday, accusing the American president of carrying same satanic Chavez believes followed Obama’s predecessor, George W. Bush.
    And per the Geoengineering scheme sulfur lowers the temp. So all we need is Obama running all over and spreading the sulfur.

  103. Obama once again proves that he is one of the global warming loons. He has made a fool of himself and embarrassed his nation in Copenhagen. Acute narcissism is a terrible condition that Obama puts on display every time he opens his mouth to speak.

  104. Consider: China has made huge, and one-way, monetary and political investments over the past couple of decades in becoming the earth’s producer of consumer goods. That has created insatiable rising expectations among its people, which, if denied, will topple the country. The US is the primary consumer of all those goods and has run up a trillion-dollar tab. China knows that if the US starts sending billions to southern hemisphere dictators, it’s never gonna pay off that bill, with dire consequences to follow. China’s leaders don’t do retail politics; they are not interested in being “popular” world citizens; they’re focused on doing the best they can for China. So, China walks out of Copenhagen in order to stop its major debtor from screwing up its economy even worse. Makes sense.

  105. Have I missed something?
    My personal expeirience is that most developing world countries were ruled by a mixture of gangsters, thugs, drug dealers, dictators and other fine upstanding examples of the political human race we call “world leaders”.
    So if the UN give them some money these gangsters will spend it on “saving the planet”, this appears not to be likely. Or are Greenpeace planning to go and have a chat with them and persuade them to join the cause. This is not something I would reccomend after having an AK45 rammed in my stomach in West Africa! and all I suggested was to share a bit of rice with the starving kids!
    First of all you will have to sort out the gangsters, but who is up for that!

  106. The irony in the whole thing is that China ia the only country acting like a capitalist society & none of the capitalist are.
    Of course, the correllary to that irony is that China may save us all from ourselves.

  107. President Obama should get better speech writers. His choice of phrasing presents evidence of a non-scientific process yet he presents the issue as one of science, rejecting reality and substituting one of the IPCC. This choice of phrasing alone is enough to completely negate any value of the balance of his words for the balance of his term.
    “Convincing” is a process of arguing an arguable point and is also a well established clinical characteristic of a liar. The word has been defined as “refute, convict, prove” and has root meaning “to conquer.” This is what lawyers do. This approach considers only one side of an issue and is not that of solid science. Yet this is what the President speaks of as climategate looms large and folks finally wake up.
    He should be saying that information has been “conveyed” to him and he has concluded that [fill in all of stated IPCC doomsday projections]. Conveying facts and data is a trait of someone who is not lying. But then if he said that he would be lying and he knows we know it. Look at his face when he says what he says. You can see him grimacing inside because he know is it all cow pucky but he already signed up for the ride and can’t get off. Like a kid going up the roller coaster incline for the first time.

  108. Obama:”While the reality of climate change is not in doubt”…..
    “I have to be honest” it is easy to understand why negotiators from nearly 200 nations can’t agree to take collective action when such underhand vocabulary is used! No doubt they will cabal a plan together, I mean cobble a plan together.

  109. Instead of Hopenhagen, they should call it “The Meeting of Socialist Dictators Who Stole Elections”. Obama fits right in.

  110. @Jeremy (09:21:48) :”always be an example of rational skepticism. It takes time to shed BS thinking, and it is a process that is unique to each individual. Regardless of what age they are, what culture they’re from, or what they believe, the best thing to show people is how to ask good questions and the importance of the question itself.”
    Thanks, Jeremy, for replying on this. Will take it on board.

  111. This sounds very like the justification for invading Iraq and finding the WMDs that were positively there from the ‘interpretation’ of the data.
    After NOT finding the WMDs, Bush spoke at the UN (from MSNBC):
    “Two years after he told the world body that Iraq was a “grave and gathering danger” and challenged delegates to live up to their responsibility, Bush strongly defended his decision to lead a coalition that overthrew Saddam Hussein’s regime without the blessings of the U.N. Security Council.”
    With very few changes, Obama could use the same speech when AGW id finally accepted as false/fraudulent.

  112. Maybe they should call it Crapenhagen!
    The hubris of the Obama administration exceeds that of the Kennedy
    Administration because they are in the aggregate not as bright or clever as the Kennedy admin. That he is insulated from serious scientists is a major problem for all of us, who will be expected to pay for this unprecedented robbery of all the world’s people.

  113. ….your president is bowing and scraping for Chinese midlevel ministers while the Chinese primeminister has other stuff to do somewhere in copenhagen.
    You owe them 1 fantazillion dollars and they couldn’t care less.
    COP15 marks the start of a new world order. But not the world order that activists dreamed about – and Iran parties along by putting boots inside Irak.
    Both Europe and the US leaders have stuff to consider now and raising sea levels should be the least of our worries….

  114. USA Secretary of State Hillary Clinton recently pledged $100 billion per year from the USA to the UN to fight global warming. Since the US government has been running deficits for over 10 years, we can be assured that the money when paid out will be with either borrowed or freshly printed dollars, and will be added to the already existing $12 trillion debt of the US government, about $39,000 for every man, woman and child in the country.
    We all know that we can trust the UN with our money. They have a history of that.
    Source: Wikipedia
    “The Oil-for-Food Programme, established by the United Nations in 1995 (under UN Security Council Resolution 986)[1] and terminated in late 2003, was established with the stated intent to allow Iraq to sell oil on the world market in exchange for food, medicine, and other humanitarian needs for ordinary Iraqi citizens without allowing Iraq to rebuild its military.”
    The programme was introduced by United States President Bill Clinton’s administration in 1995, as a response to arguments that ordinary Iraqi citizens were inordinately affected by the international economic sanctions aimed at the demilitarisation of Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, imposed in the wake of the first Gulf War. The sanctions were discontinued on November 21, 2003 after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, and the humanitarian functions turned over to the Coalition Provisional Authority. [1]
    As the programme ended, there were revelations of corruption involving the funds.
    [snip]
    “In addition to criticism of the basic approach, the programme suffered from widespread corruption and abuse. Throughout its existence, the programme was dogged by accusations that some of its profits were unlawfully diverted to the government of Iraq and to UN officials. These accusations were made in many countries, including the US and Norway.[5]
    Benon Sevan of Cyprus, who headed the programme, defended it, claiming that it had only a 2.2% administrative cost and that it was subject to more than 100 audits (internal and external), blaming restrictions from the Security Council for making the situation difficult. He also claimed that 90% of Iraq’s population relied on the programme for its monthly food basket. While Benon Sevan was in charge of the programme, he stonewalled efforts to review and investigate the programme.[6] He ordered his staff that complaints about illegal payoffs should be formally filed with the whistleblower’s country, making them public and allowing Iraq to bar any whistleblowers. In 2000, Dileep Nair, the UN corruption watchdog, wanted to determine the programme’s level of vulnerability. Sevan, along with UN Deputy Secretary-General, Louise Frechette, rejected any such investigation, claiming that it would be too expensive to be worthwhile. Sevan ordered the shredding of years’ worth of documents concerning the programme.[7]
    In response to these criticisms, and to evidence acquired after the United States invasion of Iraq, UN Secretary-General accusations were made that skimmed profits were being used to buy influence at the UN and with Kofi Annan himself.
    According to an interim report released on February 3, 2005 by former Federal Reserve chairman Paul Volcker’s commission (see #Investigations below), much of the food aid supplied under the programme “was unfit for human consumption”. The report concluded that Sevan had accepted nearly $150,000 in bribes over the course of the programme, and in 2005 he was suspended from his position at the United Nations as a result of the investigation of fraud in the programme.[8]
    Peter van Walsum, the now-retired Ambassador of the Netherlands to the United Nations and chairman of the Iraq sanctions committee from 1999 to 2000, speculated in a recent book that Iraq deliberately divided the Security Council by awarding contracts to France, Russia, and China but not to the United Kingdom and the United States. He also stated he encountered a number of cases in which he felt the lack of Iraqi cooperation was designed to exacerbate the suffering of its own people. He also claimed that it was his opinion that the sanctions were not an effective deterrent.
    Until 2001, the money for the Oil-for-Food Programme transited through the BNP Paribas bank, whose main private share-holder is Iraqi-born Nadhmi Auchi, a man estimated to be worth about $1 billion according to Forbes, and ranks 13th in Britain according to The Guardian. Auchi received a 15-month suspended sentence for his involvement in the Elf scandal, which has been qualified by the British newspaper as “the biggest fraud inquiry in Europe since the Second World War. Elf became a private bank for its executives who spent £200 million on political favours, mistresses, jewellery, fine art, villas and apartments”.[9] Elf, an oil company, merged with TotalFina to become Total S.A. in 2003″

  115. Cpoenhagen appears to be DEAD!!!!!!
    YAY!! This is a great day.
    The attempt to fleece the USA for money has been thwarted.
    Next battle, the Cap and trade bill in Congress.
    Enjoy the day for tomorrow we must continue the fight!!!!

  116. There it is, at .42 – the tell tale body language sign of discomfort that “what I am saying is not what I believe” – he scratches his chin. Not something he does often when speaking, so it stood out for me. Ask any experienced poker player, police interviewer, negotiator, pick up artist – a sure sign of internal conflict. Its an involuntary action, most of us do it when telling porkies, and it’s very hard to keep under control.

  117. And another thing he said which I thought was a bit low, was that it was evidence that America was serious about climate change by “changing its leadership.”
    Is this not an underhanded way of saying Bush failed and the people kicked him out? And isn’t saying or implying criticism of past administrations against presidential protocol?

  118. rbateman (11:00:00) :
    “Copenhagen should give new meaning to the phrase:
    “Party until the cows come home”.”

    OR: “Until the crows come home to roost.”

  119. “So, China walks out of Copenhagen in order to stop its major debtor from screwing up its economy even worse.”
    Bingo! (Now why didn’t I see that?)

  120. Given the current policy, he had to say what he said, no surprises really. But he was not convincing and appeared less than comfortable. I think he has doubts. Behind the scenes there would have to be discussion on the possibility that the case for AGW is overstated.

  121. I think Obama’s masters won’t be at all please by what was yet another poor performance. It lacked conviction, had no new initiatives and failed to make the sort of impact he making on the run-up to his election. Same old, same old.
    From being hailed by the public of the USA as a leader who would pursue a new style of open government, he has proved himself inept in his choice of advisers and mediocre at maintaining the promised momentum for change.
    No wonder his popularity has fallen even quicker than his predecessor’s. I expect he will make an exit stage left sharply, and give Hilary a turn.

  122. In all my days I have never seen a President work this hard in trying to attain a one term Presidency.
    Barry Heads my man, MIssion Accomplished. You have done enough already to ensure you get voted out in 2012, so take a break.

  123. What has this anti-Obama venom visibly and overwhelmingly present in this and the other thread got to do with the criticism of CAGW? It’s poisonous, politicized and unwarranted. I recall that our host here has said that he was initially pro-AGW. I was too, and I’m sure many of us here were. It is easy to trust “leading scientists” until you do some serious work to familiarize yourself with the data. That takes a minimum of hundreds of hours to form a coherent picture to be able to look past the argumentum ad auctoritatem games of post-normal science. It took me closer to 1000 hours before I started switching camps. And it might never have happened if not for the clear headed and convincing articles and studies of Pielke Sr whom I came to hold in very high regard.
    Obama is not to be blamed for relying on his advisors. Is part of no conspiracy. Is no “marxist” (sic) etc.
    Political polarisation of the scientific debate does NOT help the skeptic cause. Period.

  124. Looks like they are into overtime, and are calling for talks to continue into the weekend. Rumors of an Obama press conference. They are getting desperate. I think the “trolley” has run out of steam, the wheels have come off and it is pretty much sidelined. They’ll pretty much need a miracle at this point.

  125. David Middleton (07:38:15)
    I refuse to believe that we can’t control plate tectonics and I demand action.
    Continental drift is a far greater threat to the future of our tiny, fragile planet, the survival of our children and our beloved biodiversity than mere temperature changes.
    We have continents floating around in a completely uncontrolled manner and nobody cares! No international conferences, no cursading (sic) NGOs, no fasts for tectonic justice.
    Well, enough is enough. I demand action.
    STOP CONTINENTAL DRIFT

  126. This just in, to summarize agreement … The West will print more money to dole out to despots with the ‘cap and fraud’ to come later.

  127. Obama has done for AGW what the did for the US Olympics bid, nearly as bad as Gordon Browns record on visiting scenes of future disaster.

  128. “The reality of climate change is not in doubt” – Barack Obama
    ALso… The reality of air is not in doubt.
    The reality of shoes is not in doubt.
    The reality of C, R, IPL, etc. is not in doubt…
    In a very literal sense, Obama’s statement is 100% accurate (Unusual for him,) since the climate has been changing for 4+ billion years.
    I wonder what the life forms of the times said about the incredibly toxic shift of the atmosphere to corrosive oxygen… THAT was a pretty catastrohpic change.
    From the Bacterial Times, a few (billion) years ago: We have to do something to stop this deadly increase of Oxygen…

  129. Friday WSJ: “The agreement sets a target of two degrees C for the increase in global temperatures.”
    With powers of God like that, you can only wonder how they view all the rest of us.

  130. What a moving speech. I can visualise the Chinese premier being moved to tears and spurred into action by it.
    He will be grateful however for Obama’s commitment on behalf of China to “do their bit” for “climate change”, thereby committing America to its downfall and the rise of China to world dominance.

  131. “Told that the United Nations wanted him to wrap up, Chavez said “I’m answering questions. Tell them to bring the police.” NYTimes
    Apparently Hugo has seen the film of Khrushchev and is prepared to act more memorably than banging a shoe on a podium. An utterly pathetic performance from world socialist/communists and their N/A and European toadies.
    On happier news legal beagles are assembling a variety of prosecutions that will effectively eviscerate corrupt Agencies who have knowingly supported false claims of AGW, and covered up climate facts. Like Jack Web said: “You gotto follow the rules.” And the rules in this world are corrupt Mafioso-style scientists and their lackeys are going to the Big House. For a long time.
    Expect rats exiting Can’t Copenhagen with greatest of vigor.

  132. A tentative deal has been reached: http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-fg-obama-climate19-2009dec19,0,2331799.story
    “It’s not sufficient to combat the threat of climate change but its an important first step,” the official said.
    An Obama press conference is scheduled to announce the agreement.
    So, they pulled a Hail Mary, I guess.
    Not a great success, but at least not a complete failure either.
    Looks like Obama gets to go home to a snowstorm in D.C. Ha-ha.

  133. Jeff L (11:18:46) :
    The irony in the whole thing is that China ia the only country acting like a capitalist society & none of the capitalist are.

    China is still an unelected minority rule government (CCP) that censors open access to the internet, is destroying Tibetan culture, arrests religious practitioners, and solely supports military fascism in Burma. A thoroughly despicable Human Rights track record. Not to mention the real pollution they are spewing into the global atmosphere. Not to mention lead painted toys and childrens products.
    Totalitarianism with a free-market veneer is still totalitarianism.

  134. “It’s not sufficient to combat the threat of climate change but its an important first step,” the official said.
    Eleven more and they might get sober.

  135. (Daily Telegraph)
    “Barack Obama has thrashed out a “meaningful agreement” with China, India and South Africa at the Copenhagen summit, in an “historic first step forward” on climate change action, US officials have said”.
    Barack is expected to select the next 3 countries early in the new year!!!

  136. I’m just hoping that when the prosecutions wind up, corrupt spokesmen like Robert Gibbs will still think spending some time in jail will just be “silly”. Or maybe he’ll just cop a mentally-incompetence plea and be shipped off for a long stay at Gitmo–new home for recovering climaholics of the church of Climate Changetology.

  137. I don’t think Obama’s heart was in that speech at all. I think he knows that its better for COP15 to fail amidst global falling out than to “succeed” and he has to try and sell massive energy price rises to Congress and the American people.

  138. “THE REALITY OF CLIMATE CHANGE IS NOT IN DOUBT”
    WHO SAID THAT ? DOPEY, OF THE SEVEN DWARFS—- NO , IT WAS MR HOPE-A- DOPE.
    AS A PROUD AMERICAN, I’M SO GLAD THAT YOU AND PLOS’Y SPENT MY MONEY SO WELL.

  139. Buddenbrook (13:00:53).
    I mostly agree with you. This issue should not be political.
    But it has been made intensely political by the enviro-lobby and their bought and paid for politicians.
    I’m not a ‘turn the other cheek’ kinda guy, especially when Obama, for no scientifically legitimate reason, just gave away $100 billion of this country’s money.
    And for what, exactly? To buy some new best friends? Or because our economy is in great shape, so we can easily afford it? Who was he elected to represent? America, or corrupt dictatorships and the kleptocrats running the UN?
    Sorry, but simply handing out $100 billion of our money for no good reason is criminal, IMHO. Who is going to have to provide that money? The Tooth Fairy?

  140. Just thought I’d remind everyone, that Obama said he would slow the rise of the oceans and heal the planet – no joke. Watch this awesome video:

  141. Why would Obama say:
    “Because of weather constraints in Washington I am leaving before a final vote”
    Someone in the USA might explain? Wasn’t he going on vacations?
    Ecotretas

  142. Obama had a private meeting with China to see If they couyld spot him some cash. apparently they didn’t.
    Now all he leaves the fine city with is a “New Years resolution” That means Amerika will try harder, be better and try to clean up our act.
    There is no agreement. All there is from the spin is agrreement to meet again. I suspect they will want a hot city like Mexico city or Cairo in July. I hope the boys didn’t get ijnto too much trouble with the wild women.
    (Obama is suffering without a teleprompter. He had no complete sentences.)

  143. “So far, we have no agreement on the new climate fund or the body that will oversee it”
    Why vote for your nominee? Al Gore? Michael Mann? Briffa? Jones? Huho Chavez? Robert Mugabe?

  144. Opps, ;greenies verdict is not good 🙂
    Commenting on the draft Copenhagen Accord, the Greenpeace climate campaigner Joss Garman said tonight: “This latest draft is so weak as to be meaningless. It’s more like a G8 communiqué than the legally binding agreement we need.
    “It doesn’t even include a timeline to give it legal standing or an explicit temperature target. It’s hard to imagine our leaders will try to present this document to the world and keep a straight face.”

  145. FredG (07:33:25) :
    Good.
    I was wondering where the $1 Trillion (100 billion/year x 10) they promised to developing countries was going to come from?

    I have plenty of $100,000,000,000,000 ($100 Trillion) Dollar notes…from Zimbabwe. I’m surprised Mugabe didn’t loan you a few. How many do you need?

  146. Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao boycotted the meeting and instead sent his vice foreign minister
    We are lucky they didn’t send the junior assistant deputy vice foreign minister’s secretary’s assistant. Just to let all know how they really feel.

  147. Does anyone else think this is quite unseemly for an American president to lie, right in our faces?
    It’s all about stealing more money.
    An unprecedented non-binding agreement to keep yapping … Yes, that’s unprecedented.

  148. Sorry, but simply handing out $100 billion of our money for no good reason is criminal, IMHO. Who is going to have to provide that money? The Tooth Fairy?
    I believe the correct answer is Congress. And FWIW I don’t think Congress is on board.

  149. Kath (07:39:23) :
    “He took on climate skeptics with his opening words and then made an all-out push for a collective agreement.”
    and he’s managed to alienate half the US population.

    More than half and that figure is rising

  150. China’s Spokesperson : It’s the U.S. fault that the talks have failed.
    U.S. Spokesperson : It’s the Chinese’s fault that the talks have failed.
    Greens Spokesperson : Its those Capitalist Socialists fault that the talks have failed.
    Undeveloped countries spokesperson : Where’s our money?
    Chavez : Hooray for me.

  151. Ecotretas (14:40:08) :
    Why would Obama say:
    “Because of weather constraints in Washington I am leaving before a final vote”
    Someone in the USA might explain? Wasn’t he going on vacations?

    Washington DC is expecting a blizzard, some are predicting snow fall amounts of 20″. Oh, the irony!

  152. Ecotretas (14:40:08) :
    > Why would Obama say:
    > “Because of weather constraints in Washington I am leaving before a final vote”
    A snow storm (“Of historic proportions” according the the NWS – National Weather Service) is about to immobilize much of the US mid-Atlantic coast. Let’s see,
    http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?site=lwx&FcstType=text&zmx=1&zmy=1&map.x=260&map.y=113&site=LWX
    And from
    http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=LWX&product=AFD&format=CI&version=1&glossary=1&highlight=off
    Short term /Saturday/…
    — Changed Discussion —
    Intense snowfall begins this evening for SW zones then spreads northeast through the night as the center of the low reaches the GA coast and intensifies as it heads NE up the Carolina coast tonight. Expecting the storm to be half over for the SW zones by tomorrow morning…while just getting underway for the Baltimore- DC metro area. As the system crosses Cape Hatteras early Saturday… wraparound snow bands spread across the CWA…primarily along and east of the Shenandoah Valley. A TROWAL with embedded instability expected to be along the I-95 corridor through the day Saturday… producing Intense snowfall. The TROWAL axis pulls east Saturday night…though the rate at which it moves east remains to be seen. However…expect snowfall to taper off from west to east Saturday night…ending along the western shore of the bay Sunday morning.
    Winds of 15 to 20 mph with gusts to 25 mph will blow the heavy snow as it falls…further decreasing visibility. Travel will be very treacherous and is greatly discouraged late tonight through Saturday.
    — End Changed Discussion —
    I’m not sure what “TROWAL” is, the discussions are written for meteorologists and weather geeks. I-95 is a major highway along the east coast. You don’t want to be there in a small snow storm, let alone this one. Washington DC rarely gets storms like this, but they deserve this one!

  153. China is realizing they’re going to get 10 cents on the dollar for all the paper they’re holding and they still have to feed 1.3Billion people. Oooops.

  154. Obamahagen (TM) Report – While on stage at the microphone, Hillary Clinton was told that two Brazilian delegates had been turned away from the hall. Visibly shocked, Secretary Clinton asked, “How many is a brazilian?”
    And a hush fell over the entire Bella Center.

  155. The liberal left media and left politicians here in Canada are WHINING about the Canadian gov’t having a non-presence the past two days.
    The less our PM and Env minister are involved the better. Unless someone has heard different, we don’t seem to be playing ball. I am praying they know how the majority of the public feel and backing off. They MAY be waiting for the fallout to fight back against the whining.
    The latest I’ve heard is the Copenhagen Accord is 80 percent by 2050 for developed countries. Global Insanity.
    Back to the caves I guess.

  156. Stephen Harper, the Canadian Prime Minister, should be given a Gallileo Award for having the sense to stay out of the Copenhagen decisions. It seems likely that he is on side with India and China and knows a “scam” when he sees one !

  157. I’m not sure what “TROWAL” is, the discussions are written for meteorologists and weather geeks.
    TROWAL Trough with warm air aloft – I think, hey it has been 33 years since meteorology classes.
    The point being that the TROWAL and the embedded instability will enhance the snowfall rates.

  158. Deadman (08:40:12) :
    “… All of you would not be here unless you — like me [3] — were convinced that this danger is real. [4] This is not fiction, it is science. [5] Unchecked, climate change will …”

    Actually, there were a few punctuation mistakes in the transcription. – corrected version :
    “… All of you would not be here unless you like me. We’re convinced that this danger is real. This is not fiction. It is science, Unchecked. …”
    Big O’s Copenhagen speech fell flat. It even sounded flat The ever-observant El Rushbo pointed out the reason. For every domestic speech Obama’s ever made, he’s had a measure of RReevverrb-b-b added in, but he didn’t control the microphones at Copenhagen.
    Without the reverb, his speeches sound about as exciting as George W’s.

  159. I love when he talks about the importance of reducing the US’s dependence on foreign oil.
    Among the countries he’s addressing, of course, are all the ones we buy it from. He’s all class, that one… does he even KNOW who he’s talking to? Does he care?
    As to the suggestion of giving Obama a break for (perhaps) genuinely not realizing it’s bogus, I have two things to say:
    1) I seriously doubt that he could really care less about whether or not it’s real. AGW is just a tool to be used towards his nefarious political ends. If anything he seems agitated that the conference, if not the whole AGW movement itself, is self-destructing. He knows that neither eventuality will bode well for him.
    2) As a President trying to lead his country into multi-trillion dollar decisions, it’s his job to find out for sure what the deal is. There are no excuses for getting this wrong. He’s in the majors now – he deserves to take his lumps for his mistakes.
    And, yeah, the snowstorm – while meaningless – is still pretty funny.

  160. Re: Buddenbrook (13:00:53) : I agree with you. It takes many many hours of deep research and patience to get a feel of it, and then be able to put your hand on your heart and speak from knowledge.
    Sure “Smokey (14:25:00)”, it IS politicized. But don’t worry, they won’t be giving away your money so easily.
    The problem is where to go from here.
    Personally, many of my friends happen to be left-leaning believers, and are mostly well meaning, but certainly prone to grandstanding, like all of us. But we will never bring our friends around by beating them over the head with aggressive political arguments, no matter how much fun that is! There is a common ground and we have to stake it out and then build on that.
    Stick with the science and the statistics, and if you don’t feel qualified on those then look to arguments from common sense. Political mud slinging has no useful role in this debate.

  161. Hmmmm …. “The time for talk is over” has a very familiar ring to it! For the statistically inclined, the following is a link to Google search results using criteria:
    Obama +”time for talk is over” -“climate change” -Copenhagen
    Date range: 1/01/2009 to 12/15/2009
    http://tinyurl.com/ycjlzpz
    Random sampling of topics treated to this line (or slight variants thereof): Economic Stimulus, Health Care Reform, Environment (natch!), Israel, Iran, etc.
    Seems to be one of his favourite lines. Oh, well, at least he’s not preaching “hope ‘n change” anymore. But he really does need to stop looking down his nose while he’s trying to pretend that he’s not depending on TOTUS:
    PJTV Video: “Above the People, In Spite of the People, Not For the People”
    http://www.pjtv.com/v/2846

  162. Caleb (08:07:45) :
    The very fact Obama states, “While the reality of climate change is not in doubt…” is a brazen denial of fact.

    If the “reality of climate change” was not in doubt, there would be no reason to say it. The only logic behind this is that “reality of climate change” is indeed in doubt, and he knows it.

  163. This is almost nothing. #Obama flew outta #COP15 before the ‘#Copenhagen Accord final draft’ was even finished: http://scribd.com/doc/24293958
    Did anybody else notice that Obama looked really tired in his initial speech to the assembly and throughout. He didn’t sleep going over and was operating on sleep deprevation the whole time there. Dumbass.

  164. Carsten Arnholm, Norway (17:48:05) said:

    Caleb (08:07:45) :
    The very fact Obama states, “While the reality of climate change is not in doubt…” is a brazen denial of fact.

    If the “reality of climate change” was not in doubt, there would be no reason to say it. The only logic behind this is that “reality of climate change” is indeed in doubt, and he knows it.

    Actually, the reality of climate change is not in doubt, at least in my mind. However, this is the bait and switch that the MSM and the AGW morons promote.
    Of course the climate changes on scales from decades to centuries.
    What has not been established, in my mind, and is highly unlikely, is that humans will cause such large temperature changes by producing CO2 that the planet will be inhospitable to us.
    I do accept, however, that we have affected climate on local scales because of land-use changes (cf, Kilimanjaro).

  165. Buddenbrook (13:00:53) : Said
    “What has this anti-Obama venom visibly and overwhelmingly present in this and the other thread got to do with the criticism of CAGW? It’s poisonous, politicized and unwarranted…..”
    That is easy to answer. It is all about MONEY, no actuaully it is about National Bankruptcy Obama and Congress have bankrupted this country and AGW is just another con game to grab more of our wealth before we finally are completely bankrupt as a country.
    In the first three months of this year Obama DOUBLED the USA money supply. This means a 2009 dollar is worth half of what a 2007 dollar was worth. I am certainly not alone in being horrified at how Obama has mismanaged this country.
    I am amazed that the US government, in the midst of the worst financial crises ever, is content for short-selling to drive down the asset prices that the government is trying to support….The bald fact is that the combination of ignorance, negligence, and ideology that permitted the crisis to happen still prevails and is blocking any remedy. Either the people in power in Washington and the financial community are total dimwits or they are manipulating an opportunity to redistribute wealth from taxpayers, equity owners and pension funds to the financial sector. Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury http://www.countercurrents.org/roberts250209.htm
    That is bad enough but what really frightens me is this: Stewart Dougherty, a specialist in inferential analysis, stated. It is now “statistically impossible for the United States to pay its obligations”. http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/08.09/metastasis.html
    Now on top of that mess Obama is pushing an agenda designed to hamstring our economy, raising taxes, give away more of our wealth and worse raising the cost of energy. As far as I am concerned Obama, Clinton and several members of Congress should be up on charges of treason!
    Bill Clinton wrecked the economy beyond repair on November 2 ,1999 with the repeal of Glass-Stegall which tore down the wall between investment banks and S&Ls. This lead to the feeding frenzy known as leveraged buyouts that gutted much of American industry by heavily mortgaging healthy debt free businesses. Barney Frank (D-Mass) also has his fingerprints all over the mess with the passage of the Community Reinvestment Act which required lenders to make risky loans to low-income minorities to purchase housing. You can add Clinton’s ratification of WTO that is directly responsible for the deaths and suffering of Americans as well as shipping what was left of our jobs overseas.
    WTO brought us the international HACCP regs to replace “the safest food system in the world” and Just like AGW “food Safety” is being used to take away more of our freedom, benefit the rich Corporations and is based completely on lies, lies the politicians are fully aware of after TWO Congressional investigations. Waxman is sponsoring both the Cap and Trade and the “Food Folly” bills. Surprise Surprise
    References on the deaths and suffering of Americans caused by WTO/HACCP
    http://www.marlerblog.com/2009/07/articles/lawyer-oped/one-e-coli-o157h7-outbreak-i-think-i-could-have-prevented/
    http://www.mfu.org/node/276
    http://www.opednews.com/articles/History-HACCP-and-the-Foo-by-Nicole-Johnson-090906-229.html
    “Ain’t it interesting that subsequent to the detection of positives at downstream plants, agency personnel spend 99% of their time reviewing written records, as if the presence of enteric pathogens is created by the absence of a theoretically complete written HACCP Plan. They show a callous disregard for what is happening on the meat production line, or the high probability that enteric pathogens come into the plant in incoming shipments. Naw, let’s dissect written records instead. Egads, HACCP has degenerated into a paper chase, so we should not be surprised when outbreaks and recalls continue….” http://www.meatingplace.com/MembersOnly/blog/BlogDetail.aspx?blogID=11&topicID=4947

  166. The most funny thing in this talk was a lady passing the back of the speaker. She destroys the solemnity of the speach and thereby symbolizes the farcialness of the stage.

  167. “Robin Flockton (16:54:01) :
    Stephen Harper, the Canadian Prime Minister, should be given a Gallileo Award for having the sense to stay out of the Copenhagen decisions. It seems likely that he is on side with India and China and knows a “scam” when he sees one !”
    Harper was possibly the most productive politician at the Copenhagen Circus. He had dinner with the Queen of Denmark. Hopefully he was working on resolving the boundry dispute Canada has with Denmark.
    OT – Any bets that M&M are awarded the Order of Canada?

  168. I can’t wait for the Progressive “thinkers” here in the U.S. to start telling us , “See all the money we’ve ‘saved’ due to the collapse of cap and tax? Electricity bills won’t have to skyrocket! Hey, now we can spend the trillions we’ve saved on something almost as worthy, ruining fixing Healthcare in America! And it will be ‘budget neutral’ for everyone because it will be only the ‘savings’ we will need to take from you to pay for it!”

  169. Well, Obama did not leave Copenhagen empty handed as he closed a new nuclear arms reduction deal with Russia, which won’t be worth the paper it’s printed on.
    When that announcement was made it was evident that Copenhagen was dead, at least for now. Any future treaty will still be called the Copenhagen name.
    In the mean time:
    ClimateGate is still expanding.
    The Media are “turning”
    Weather is on our hands
    Very nice to hear that the US team took off seven hours earlier than planned to prevent a landing in Blizzard conditions in Washington.
    I am not sure however if we can stop the process of creating a World Government.
    There are other ways to achieve such an objective but I fail to see the sense of it.
    It is an incredible huge step back.
    I am more convinced than ever that the UN and the EU have become a major embarrassment.
    What has happened to Lord Monckton is an absolute disgrace, as is the behavior of people like Pachauri, Gore and Schneider, the treatment of critical journalists, the suppression of free speech, all this should not been taken lightly.
    The last words about his have not been said.
    We can’t afford to let them get away with it.

  170. Would somebody PLEASE take their village idiot back? Indonesia? Kenya?
    He was supposedly White House trained, though we haven’t seen evidence – he just keeps pissing in the wind and we’re getting tired of it getting all over us!
    Can’t believe that Pompous POTUS, burning up a zillion gallons of fuel, to get to Hoax-en-Hagen, just in time to underwhelm the world!
    Oh, in case Aligory is missing, here is a UAV photo of Phelim McAleer, taken in a parking lot in Hoax-en-hagen (photo courtesy of Islamist hackers):
    http://tinyurl.com/ygua47e

  171. Australia’s Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd told the Australian Media today, “It was tough, but at least we have an agreement which is better than no agreement at all.”
    And you Americans think you have a lot to put up with regarding your political leaders. A famous politician once said to me about a forthcoming election, “The trouble with elections is we vote in politicians but we never get rid of the bureaucrats”.

  172. For those of you wondering what we will be doing next in Copenhagen I can tell that a camping exhibition will take place in the Bella Center soon.
    I’m guessing Obama won’t attend – not even among the kitchen staff – but I’m pretty much sure that a few more legally binding deals will be closed at that event. Maybe a Brazilian!

  173. The Chinese were the wisest at Copenhagen. They insisted on inserting the term “Science” into the final Accord. As of
    “2. We agree that deep cuts in global emissions are needed according to science, and as documented by the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report with a view to reduce global emissions as to hold the increase in global emissions below 2 degrees Celsius, and to take action to meet this objective consistent with science and on the basis of equity.”
    Perhaps the next level of research is to more clearly define the boundary between science and non-science. Climategate showed the demarcation was purely scientific, but also involved agreement with a small group. It is quite possibly the case that if the barrier is raised for admissible science from being peer-reviewed to having statistically significant and independently replicated results, then much of the existing science would become non-science.
    I discuss further at http://shandonclimate.blog.com/2009/12/20/the-chinese-are-the-wisest-at-copenhagen/

  174. Vincent Shand (17:47:27) :
    “2. …to reduce global emissions as to hold the increase in global emissions below 2 degrees Celsius…”
    Apples and Oranges? Global emmissions are not thermal units, unless thermal emmissions(?)
    More jibberish BS, worth 1/2million I-D-10-T’ers attending Fraudenhagen, wearing out the town hookers and causing snow storm(?)

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