Just in time for Obama to announce it, and it only cost the USA 100 billion dollars. Thanks Hillary.
UPDATE: Statistician William Briggs points out in an email to me that he mentioned in an essay here that Lord Monckton had predicted this sort of outcome a month ago:
The forces of darkness will realize that some deal is better than no deal. Lord Monckton, on a guest appearance on the Glenn Beck program a month ago, had it right. He predicted the early stalemate, but said it would end at the last possible minute, after an all-hours marathon session:
From which the bureaucrats would emerge, their ties over their heads, where they will announce, “We’ve done it. We’ve come to an agreement.”
Leaders and ministers from 28 countries including Australia have outlined a draft accord to fight global warming.
The details of the draft are not known yet but the move came hours before some 130 world leaders were set to convene in the dying hours of the climate summit at Copenhagen.
Representatives from key blocs, covering both rich and developing countries, embarked on late-night negotiations in a desperate bid to hammer out a draft climate change agreement.
UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon was also participating in the talks, which continued into this morning.
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, French President Nicolas Sarkozy and Brazilian President Inacio Lula da Silva were all seen as the talks got underway shortly after 11pm in Copenhagen.
Among industrialised countries, the participants were Norway, Russia, Spain, Britain, the US, Denmark, Australia, Germany, France, Sweden and Japan.
Representing small island states were the Maldives and Grenada, with Sudan, Algeria, Ethiopia and Lesotho from Africa. Sudan is also the leader of the G77 group of 130 developed countries, Algeria heads the Africa Group, and Lesotho leads the bloc of Least Developed Countries.
Major emerging present economies included China, India, Brazil, South Africa and Mexico. Besides Brazil, other countries in which deforestation is a major source of greenhouse gas emissions include Colombia and Indonesia.
There are two transnational groupings included: the European Commission and the Secretary-General of the United Nations.
More than 130 heads of state and government will convene today for the final day of the climate summit talks.
AFP
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Dilby (22:42:52) :
I totally agree tht man made GW is a scam, but some if you guys from the US need to realise your dream run has come to an end. You are the biggest consumers in the world and give nothing back to anyone else, your economy is failing due to your greed and ridiculous credit bills and the rest of the world is looking forward to your collapse. You need to stop trying to control other countries with wars and look after your own people.
What the?????? Give nothing back? Failing due to greed? ?????
Oh! now I get it! you just came out of the Brad Pitt trailer, didn’t you?
The words “Redistribution of Wealth” is meaningless to me. It’s a divisive issue used and implanted within your minds weather it happens or not, in order to keep you divided from others by having you simply thinking about those words, so they repeat them over and over again.
A natural redistribution of wealth would occur if everyone simply had to play by the same rules and those rules were enforced.
The best rule book I have ever come across in my lifetime is called “The US Constitution”.
Those rules are no longer enforced and different rules are made up for different people or groups of people as we go along. Sort of like Calvinball.
J. Peden (00:17:55) “Paul Vaughan, then I apologize for my extrapolation.”
Find me a permanent seat on the gravy train and all may be forgiven.
Presumably the climate grants will be issued in US dollars … which may or may not be acceptable to all:
“East Timor said on Thursday its $5 billion sovereign wealth fund plans to diversify away from U.S. Treasuries and invest in other government bonds as well as property … “Our savings entrusted to the U.S. Treasury could be literally wiped out, throwing our people into even greater poverty and desperation,” said President Jose Ramos-Horta in a speech in Singapore, pointing to the growing U.S. deficit and weakening U.S. dollar as reasons for the move.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSSGE5BG0CK20091217
i feel sorry for the future.. but not much.. i feel sorry for these leaders, but not much, When the world is controlled by these idiots. when a persons worth is linked to how much carbon the produce.
If you make more carbon than you take in, you will be fined, if you carry on, you will be forced to work in green industries, with only vegetarian foods (as meat eating creates methane etc). those deniers will be sent to re education camps, to work on behalf of the true green elite. And if they still deny it..
Soon a persons worth will be based on how much carbon they create, or use. then once a person is considered a profit.lost then all is lost
jlc (22:24:28) : said
I’m certainly glad that the Maldives and Lesotho have more say in Canadian governance than my fellow citizens.
I must have missed out on the announcement that foreign thugocracies had been granted the right to override Canadian law.
If Canada is a member of the World Trade Organization than you do have a thugocracy writing your laws. It is called “harmonization” and the WTO was given “teeth” to enforce it. http://www.publiceyeonscience.ch/images/the_wto_and_the_politics_of_gmo.doc
Cromagnum (19:24:33) :
I think I’ve got it! Hey – I might be home by 11. I got quick_interp_tdm2 to dump a min/max for the synthetic grids. Guess what? Our old friend 32767 is here again, otherwise known as big-endian trauma.
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>”big-endian trauma” sounds like a painful climate, or a native american injury?
JER0ME (20:53:57) :
“He (/she/it) is talking about a number overflow. 32767 (ie 2^15 minus 1) is the maximum a 16bit signed integer variable can hold, so going over the ‘big end’ gives you ‘big endian’ trauma.”
No, this is about how numbers are stored in a binary file. A big-endian number is stored similarly to how we write them, i.e. with the most significant bytes first. Some processors (i.e. Intel) store numbers in little-endian order with the least signigicant digits first. He is trying to read a file written on a computer with an opposite endian convention. (He is reading the number -2, stored as 255 followed by 254 in big-endian and as 254 followed by 255 in little-endian. The number -1 is stored as 255 followed by 255, so it doesn’t matter what order you read it in.)
Note that the correct way to put it is that the US will help raise the annual UN $100B, not give everything in this package of course.
Morover, the present-day life standards in the US and Europe can only be sustained because the rest of the world is “underpaid”. Imagine how much your TV would cost if it weren’t built in Mexico or China. If those people had an almost similar income, to do the same job as US or Eur workers do, then prices would go bananas. And so would our buying power (but in the other direction of course). To summarize: we are rich mainly because we maintain other countries poorer than us. I cannot support such a way of doing economy…
Bill Marsh innocently asks @ur momisugly 19:04:13:
Of what value is an agreement that won’t be honored anymore than the 1st Kyoto agreement was.
Money, Bill, money! With the Oil-for-food scam monies all gone, Pachauri and the bureaucrats, and Mao Strong types need another source of revenue.
Dilby (22:42:52) :said
I totally agree tht man made GW is a scam, but some if you guys from the US need to realise your dream run has come to an end. You are the biggest consumers in the world and give nothing back to anyone else, your economy is failing due to your greed and ridiculous credit bills and the rest of the world is looking forward to your collapse. You need to stop trying to control other countries with wars and look after your own people.
Clarify WHO the actual villians are, the villian are not the American people They are the red herring the real villians use as a scape goat. The real villians are the ultra wealthy International cabal of Central Bankers. Note how Hillary is trying to get the World Bank into China and using the money of the American people to do it. Note how the “leaked Denmark papers” had the World Bank in control instead of the UN.
In 1910 the Central Bankers of Europe send Paul Warburg to the USA to get a Central bank established here in the USA. After the Federal Reserve was formed the next step was the formation of the World Bank and IMF who meet in annually at David Rockefeller’s home in Westchester NY. “Rockefeller hosts an annual luncheon at the family’s Westchester County Pocantico estate for the world’s appointed finance ministers and central bank governors.” original at: http://wikicapital.org/briefs/2008/07/the-worlds-most-secretive-billionaires/
a copy at: http://therearenosunglasses.wordpress.com/some-of-our-dark-overlords/
You have to follow the Money to understand what is actually happening. Check out (in the order of ease of reading)
Structural Adjustment Program (World Bank and International Monetary Fund) http://www.whirledbank.org/development/sap.html
The Creature from Jekyll Island, The Federal Reserve, talk by G. Edward Griffin: http://www.bigeye.com/griffin.htm
“Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm
A PRIMER ON MONEY by the House Banking and Currency Committee http://famguardian.org/Subjects/MoneyBanking/Money/patman-primer-on-money.pdf
Breaking News: BBC 09:50 GMT:
“A draft political agreement drawn up by a small group of countries including the UK, US and Australia was rejected during overnight discussions.
Delegates described the situation as “confusing” and “desperate”.
As well as the leaders’ session, talks are scheduled on texts that sources say remain full of fundamental divisions. ”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/science/nature/8420016.stm
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Hey, maybe the Copenhagen will not fail completely but any promised targets will fail, just like Kyoto, thereby committing us to “Catastrophic Anthopogenic Global Warming.” ;-0
http://www.arec-ru.com/component/content/article/3-kyoto-protocol/2
RhudsonL (23:54:25) :
Does the 100 b come with S&H Green Stamps!
I remember S&H Green Stamps. God, I am old. Let’s just hope that are children don’t have to remember Carbon Credits.
Aargh! “are children” S/B “our children”.
Dilby (22:42:52) : I totally agree tht man made GW is a scam, but some if you guys from the US need to realise your dream run has come to an end. …
Dream run, Dilby? No credit for innovation, sheer guts, great visions?
This Australian believes they, and people like them around the world, wrested this dream from an essentially hostile envronment and created an Eden. Only those of mean mind and bitter heart can dispute this.
Let not these sour souls wrest plague from plenty as, for example, has been done in Zimbabwe.
How ironic that’s it’s snowing in Copenhagen …
“Rob Vermeulen (01:29:52) :
Note that the correct way to put it is that the US will help raise the annual UN $100B, not give everything in this package of course.
Morover, the present-day life standards in the US and Europe can only be sustained because the rest of the world is “underpaid”. Imagine how much your TV would cost if it weren’t built in Mexico or China. If those people had an almost similar income, to do the same job as US or Eur workers do, then prices would go bananas. And so would our buying power (but in the other direction of course). To summarize: we are rich mainly because we maintain other countries poorer than us. I cannot support such a way of doing economy…”
Off shoring, best shore, this has been going on for many many years, even the NSW State govn’t now has it’s state uniforms made in China. But yes, you are right. I see the Pillipines next in line after China/India.
J. Peden (00:24:30) :
[I hope I’m misreading Dilby, too.]
This is supposed to be a science blog, but this particular thread is highly political.
Please listen to me. In the same way that the mass media are shielding the population of the US from learning the truth of AGW , they are shielding them from learning about the great animosity in most of the world against the US policies after the fall of the iron curtain, i.e. 1989.
People who were staunch supporters of US policies during the cold war, were mightily disillusioned with its policies after the end of it.
You may not see it from in there, but the policies were and are imperial policies of total control. What other country has over 250 military bases on foreign soil, when there is no longer a communist takeover threat? except for trying to impose complete control the world over?
The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, based on chasing red herrings but really trying to secure geopolitical control over energy routes, were bloody, destroyed the countries and the people. We, who are close to the middle east, have had our eyes opened to the brutality and hypocricy of preaching democracy with bombs , and coddling up to dictatorships the world over otherwise.
Do not get me wrong. I would prefer a US imperium to a chinese one any day.The US lost its chance of becoming a peaceful imperium after 1989. It had already conquered with McDonald’s and Holywood most of the world, it could have had everybody eating out of its hand, imo. Instead it decided on bloody invasions to protect its energy interests.
The bad thing of trying to wed capitalism with imperial ambitions is what you see written on the wall now for the west: outsourcings and borrowings from China make China the rising star, and the US will join the list of short lived imperia, following the fate of the UK imperium much faster.
Quote from an Australian Green parliament member attending CopenHoaxen.
“The most likely outcome from CopenHoaxen is a glorious photo op tomorrow”
more from BBC
Leaders have gathered for the final scheduled day of the UN climate summit, amid uncertainty over the shape of any eventual deal.
A draft political agreement drawn up by a small group of countries including the UK, US and Australia was rejected during overnight discussions.
Delegates described the situation as “confusing” and “desperate”.
As well as the leaders’ session, talks are scheduled on texts that sources say remain full of fundamental divisions.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8420016.stm
sounds fine for me.
Don’t worry: it will never clear the approval by Congress and the Senate.
So, it will be an “agreement” in limbo for several years to come, and by then everybody but a few fools will realise that it was all hot air.
Good God anna – you really have an axe to grind against the ‘imperial agressor’ the USA.
More Iraqi’s died under Saddam’s rule during the Clinton years than died during the Iraq liberation. Liberating 50 million muslims from brutal regimes is meaningless because the capitalists only wanted the oil routes.
Never mind the US pretty much got shut out of Iraq oil contracts…but still….I’m sure it was a war for oil in your twisted mind. Never mind the facts. You’ve got a ‘fudge factor’ you can use whenever the facts don’t support your grand evil capitalist conspiracy theory.
How is the weather there in Hopenchangen?
It’s not just a train wreck, It’s failed in a way that lays bare the real motives of half the attendees. Six months is a long time at the moment and the landscape for New Mexico will even more challenging.
At Last! A mainstream Internet news sheet, The First Post, features an excellent article by Alexander Coburn in today’s issue that is a two-page precis of the deceit of the AGW camp. Succinct, well written and well researched, just a week late, dammit.
Paul Vaughan (20:20:05) : “As for capitalism: If it works, no one has proven it to me yet – (i.e. I remain a skeptic – I’ve heard of the theory & the related computer fantasies, but I haven’t yet seen a shred of empirical evidence — please feel welcome to try to convince me otherwise, but I assure you words won’t do the job)…”
so why would anyone bother?
does the massive expansion of wealth and prosperity over the last 30 to 40 years, entirely due to free trade and capitalism, convince? Note also that this massive expansion has been shared amongst everyone participating, and the poor are not getting poorer.
does the increase in global GDP from a measly $7 trillion in 1978 to $47 trillion in 2008 mean anything?
meanwhile, in countries that reject capitalism, like North Korea, Cuba, Albania, somehow this massive wealth creation has failed to materialise.
I submit that the empirical evidence is overwhelming.
and yet in Copenhagen…I despair
All the best.
I believe the president has just said, in effect, that he has no doubt that the global warming problem is real and now is the time for all nations of the world to agree to join together to take effective verified action to address this problem.
I cannot fault the president for taking this position as it is supported all the leading scientific organizations and most of the elite news media in the world.
I would only caution the president that his administration should have a backup position for the case that new revelations or evidence should prove that IPCC climate science is unsound. Based on my current understanding of the issue, I think that this is quite likely to be the case.