While Dr. Mann has made statements in the press during the last week to the effect of “I welcome this investigation” I wonder if he’s seen some of the correspondence being sent to PSU regarding him. Here’ s one from Pennsylvania State Senator Jeff Piccola that has some very pointed language.
PDF of letter is here Sen-Piccola-Letter-on-PSU-Prof-Michael-Mann
And here is one of the letters to Senator Piccola that prompted his letter to PSU:
h/t to WUWT reader “Rod”
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Mann must be scared, or he wouldn’t have lashed out at Jones the other day. I wouldn’t expect any prompt remedial action against Mann, however. As a tenured employee, he has a “property interest” in his employment, and a “liberty interest” in his “good name,” protected by the Due Process Clause. That means a long, slow, drawn out process, including a full-blown hearing, not greatly unlike a civil trial. Sort of like the Ward Churchill fiasco. They may not even dare to relieve him of his duties, given the “stigma” that would place on his reputation. I’m sure the lawyers here could explain this business much more accurately.
The Polar Bear asks 🙂 : “PHIL JONES??? HAS ANYONE SEEN PHIL JONES???”
From: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2009/12/15/polar-bear-phil-jones/
It will be very much harder for UPenn to let Mann off the hook now that doubt has been sown in the mind of the public – the graffiti there speak. I think that the politicians and businessmen will throw all their scientists under the bus as scapegoats. Keep a watch on fat cat Pachauri (read Delingbole), and the millions he stands to make with carbon credits. He’ll cut his losses pleading scientific innocence on grounds of being only a railway engineer.
Another scientist who will have to go IMO – Wei-chyung Wang from Albany University. I wonder if it is Keenan’s pretty well proven allegation of fraud against him, in the paper written by himself and Jones, that is linked to the DOE call today. See this email and reflect. In the DOE Carbon Dioxide Research Program, Wang was the Chief Scientist.
I expect a whitewash job that would make Tom Sawyer proud.
Nothing will happen til after the 2010 elections.
The question is can the party in power find enough rug between now and then.
Probably a good thing I’m not in charge.
“We’ll give you a fair trial and a nice hanging.” /Rooster Cogburn
My message to the world leaders via the BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8414798.stm
Do you really think people are going to put up with being taxed until their eyes water on the basis of half baked science from known frauds?
IPCC cheif Pauchari is the head of TATA, who own CORUS, who just shut down the jobs of 5000 decent hard working people so they can cash in their £90M in carbon credits those peoples tax money bought them.
Wake up and smell the stench of corruption.
Then act for us, or we’ll sack you.
Henry chance (12:56:47) :
departments can be passive aggressive and not fire a trouble maker. They just move the office to a broom closet and give a sabbatical and send him on research in the field.
Great idea. I suggest north Siberian tree ring studies. This winter.
A lot will depend on the sophistication and resources employed by the Pennsylvania State Senate in conducting an investigation of Michael Mann. A frontal assault on the “science” of AGW will be unproductive. A far more probing inquiry can be conducted of the instances of dishonesty, violation of academic standards and lack of supervision of and by Dr. Mann.
The point should be that arrogant clowns like Mann are out of control, lie and cheat, believe they aren’t accountable to anyone, and likely have very, very little supervision. Since those complaints go to the heart of the issue of whether state funds should be appropriated to Penn State, that should chill university administrators to the bone.
There are many excellent lawyers in Pennsylvania. Hopefully some of them will be retained by the Education Committee of the State Senate to assist with any inquiry. It is the corruption of the scientific and intellectual process which is the crime here. And the crime is most certainly real. And I can’t help saying it: There is a consensus on this issue.
As a follow-on to Jean Parisot’s (11:04:55) posting, I’d like to add the following.
I have served in four Police Forces (Services in the UK) one overseas and three here in the UK. I have been privileged to meet and, on one occasion, work with Officers from the Norfolk Constabulary.
They impressed me with their tenacity and rigour during their investigations and they gave the impression that any attempt to apply pressure of any description to achieve or hide any result would be strenuously resisted.
Now that they have in their possession the entirety of what was allegedly stolen/hacked, given by the alleged victimised entity (the UEA) as the genuine material I am sure that their investigations are going to take many different routes.
A couple of nice, juicy Conspiracy to Avoid a FOIA Request charges coupled with a few more Conspiracy to Defraud charges, all backed up by certified genuine documents supplied by the employers of the various villains would be a doddle! They’ll go for it, make no mistake, because they won’t make any. They’ll take their time and then they’ll present a meticulous case. I look forward to the trials!
DJA (13:00:09) :
Lord Monckton pulls no punches. If you haven’t seen this its a must.
http://www.cfact.tv/2009/12/07/lord-monckton-on-climategate-at-the-2nd-international-climate-conference/
This is really one of Monckton’s best. He names the crooks and their deeds. Very clearly. Also, as the street U-tube showed, he’s got ability to engage with Greenpeace activists with clearly opposing evidence without resorting to, or provoking, raised voices – a very precious skill.
One of the last great hold outs from the medieval times is the supposed rights of scientific institutions to examine and pass judgement on their own tenured employees.
Compare the screams of outrage from every quarter that would have occurred if Ken Lay of Enron and Bernie Madoff had been examined and judged solely by those who were closely associated with them in the stock exchange and who had benefited most from their activities.
This is the exact same situation that East Anglia University and Penn State University are currently in.
Both universities have benefitted very substantially in both financial and status as have a lot of those employees of the universities directly and indirectly by the past activities of the global warming science scammers within their hallowed walls.
Unlike Ken Lay and Bernie Madoff who scammed billions of dollars from tens of thousands of individual investors and institutions, the university employed warminista and activist scientists whose activities have finally been exposed, have created a political, social and economic situation across the entire planet where literally the lives of billions of people and immense national wealth situation is being expended on a claimed global warming scam the scale of which has never been seen before, a scam we now know is based on mostly contrived, manipulated and openly fraudulent data from these same climate scientists.
And the close compatriots of the scientific scammers, the ones who possibly have indirectly benefited the most from their activities are the ones who get to exam and pass judgement on these same science scammers.
Would this be tolerated in any other important aspect of our society?
@ur momisugly tallbloke (13:56:37) : – Questions asked in the EU Parliament:
“It is said that the science around climate change is not as certain as its proponents allege. It doesn’t need to be. What is beyond debate, however, is that there is a huge amount of scientific support for the view that the climate is changing and as a result of human activity,” — Tony Blair
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/copenhagen-climate-change-confe/6803921/Copenhagen-climate-summit-Tony-Blair-calls-on-world-leaders-to-get-moving.html
via http://antigreen.blogspot.com/
Really doesn’t make any sense to me, unless “climate change” and “human activity” are both euphemisms.
But euphemisms for what…?
Kate (13:05:58) :
Richard Heg (11:56:56) :
And they are flghting back at climategate with “Deniergate”:
it is one of the worse-written articles in a so-called “scientific” journal that I have ever read.
I agree sincerely. After completing my Ph.D. in Physics I started a personal subscription of New Scientist to follow news from science – in a commercial company we have limited access to journals and academia. With the nasty “denier” editorials we have seen the last couple of weeks and the latest “Deniergate”, I have decided to drop New Scientist, any suggestions for a better journal? To me New Scientist is no better than Pravda:
This is Armenian Radio; our listeners asked us: “Why do we need two central newspapers, Pravda (Truth) and Izvestiya (News) if both are organs of the same Party?” We’re answering: “Because in Pravda there is no news, and in Izvestiya there is no truth.”
ClimateGate version:
This is BBC; our listeners asked us: “Why do we need two central journals, Nature (finest peer-reviewed research in all fields of science and technology) and New Scientist (scientific discovery, and its industrial, commercial and social consequences) if both are organs of the same climate scientists?” We’re answering: “Because in Nature there is no scientific discovery, and in New Scientist there is no true peer-reviewed research from any field of science or technology.”
http://www.nature.com/nature/about/
http://www.newscientist.com/data/html/ns/mediacenter/uk/intro.jsp
The AGW cult isn’t circling the wagons, they’re circling the drain!!
How is the Goreacle going to be implicated in all this????
Concerning;
“Reply: Use of term denier acceptable in this context. Others don’t get carried away, it is still a proscribed word at this site. ~ ctm”
I like the use of the word “denier” (pronounced ). It refers to the quality of a stocking, as commonly worn by ladies.
Denier is a unit of measure for the linear mass density of fibers. It is defined as the mass in grams per 9,000 meters.
But I digress…
pronounced ” den-e-err”
So when will these guys show up in the incarcerated TV reality shows banging on their cell windows?
pass the popcorn
Errr….Nic……
Not an expert on stockings, but isn’t it DERNIER?
Here’s a hockey stick for you! Over time, my irritation with nose-ringed Oregon Dems toeing the line instead of learning discernment has risen quite sharply! Listen up Wyden, Merkely, Wu, Blumenauer, DeFazio, Hooley, and all the rest of Oregon’s Democrats in politics, including the list of Oregon State Democratic senators. Do not dismiss me with talking points. I am a registered Democrat and I know how to wield a poison pen. I will use it if you people continue to drink stupid juice!
dave ward (12:48:20)
good! I hope he provides them with plenty of evidence about what a fraud the CRU is.
Could take decades to untangle the money trail – oh well.
Can we keep journalists and NGO reps there as well? Eight hours to get in and a decade or two to get out. Climate justice we can all believe in.
The State Senate Leader is openly calling for an investigation into the activities of Michael Mann, drawing attention to clear evidence of scientific and academic misconduct.
While I think PSU will lay great store by its commitment to academic freedom (and rightly so), it cannot afford to ignore the warning signs from the people who help funnel money for its research.
Assuming that the momentum of “hits” on this blog keeps up, I can predict safely that the total hits well exceed 30 million (!) on or before Christmas Eve.
@ur momisugly Harry Eagar (13:19:03) :That is one thuggish letter from Piccola. And a threat he couldn’t deliver on.
Don’t be so sure. The Republicans in the PA Senate love to cause problems for Ed Rendell. They could make life very, very difficult for Mann and even Spanier if they wanted to.
What it comes down to is this: If Spanier’s investigation is a whitewash as many of suspect it will be, then the PA Senate Education Committee will conduct its own. That’s what Piccola is getting at. Penn State is a state university–they get their funding from the taxpayers of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. And along with Pitt, Temple, and Lincoln, Penn State recently sent a letter to Ed Rendell stating that urther delay in approving state appropriations “will do irreparable harm to Pennsylvania students, their families and our universities.”
Penn State needs money. This could really hurt them.
Spanier would be wise to cut Mann loose. Piccola isn’t playing around and the state Republicans could really put the screws to him and the university.