"…anything short of the absolute pursuit of science cannot be accepted or tolerated."

While Dr. Mann has made statements in the press during the last week to the effect of “I welcome this investigation” I wonder if he’s seen some of the correspondence being sent to PSU regarding him. Here’ s one from Pennsylvania State Senator Jeff Piccola that has some very pointed language.

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PDF of letter is here Sen-Piccola-Letter-on-PSU-Prof-Michael-Mann

And here is one of the letters to Senator Piccola that prompted his letter to PSU:

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PDF CF-Letter-RE-Michael-Mann

h/t to WUWT reader “Rod”

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Invariant

Anthony: this belongs in a new thread. http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/146138
CLIMATE CHANGE IS NATURAL: 100 REASONS WHY

Austin

The Chairman has spoken.
Looks like he is giving the U time to get to the bottom of it before it becomes a matter for a Hearing.
Which climate researchers have taken oaths before giving testimony to legal bodies?
Wouldn’t lying under oath constitute perjury?
Isn’t that a Felony?

James Hastings-Trew

Wow. Now things are really getting interesting.

Richard Saumarez

Talking of completely unbiased search for the truth, this is worth looking at:
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2009/12/vast-nexus-of-influence.html

George S.

Senator Piccola was quite restrained in his communication. Perhaps he should have suggested that President Spanier visit wattsupwiththat.com for a more complete picture of the types of “infractions” to which Mann might have been a party.
Otherwise, he is spot on by pointing out that the consequences of not being absolutely honest are far-reaching and potentially devastating.
No pressure, though.

While I’m all for investigating Mann and of the whole group, he’s the only one I would apply the f word too, they are investigating the wrong thing.
People know the first hockey stick was broken by McIntyre, however the 2008 and 2009 hockey sticks are far more disingenuous. They should be asking him to explain how throwing out data that doesn’t agree with his conclusions isn’t fraudulent.
http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/06/20/hockey-stick-cps-revisited-part-1/

wws

Wow, the reals are really starting to come off the wagon, aren’t they? Investigations and other legal manouvers play the role that demons did in old gothic tales – once invoked, they cannot be uninvoked and they soon take on a power all their own. This entire game dependend on it staying hidden inside a black box – the machinations cannot withstand the disinfecting light of day.
And today Russia and China are holding up the Copenhagen conference with outrageous demands. (China wants a guarantee of no outside inspectors, and Russia wants carbon credits for every dying old soviet factory that was shut down in the 90’s) But if you truly believe in Thermageddon, how can you refuse to give Russia and China everything they ask for since without them you have nothing? Neither of those countries care whether there is a final deal or not, so they can hold out and refuse any deal unless they are bought off at an exorbitant price. Why shouldn’t they?
Thinking that Russia and China were going to “play nice” at this conference just may turn out to have been the biggest and most foolish conceit of all.

Scott B

@Invariant – It’s a garbage article with simple statements with various levels of truthiness. Not all of which have anything to say about wheather our current changes in climate is natural or not. Not the type of thing that I think would be worth highlighting on this site.

iurockhead

I’m not holding my breath. They will circle the wagons and hold fast unless funding is actually withheld. I’m not holding my breath over the chances of funding being held, either.

wws

sigh, “wheels”

Jason

I like Senator Piccola’s subtleness, if you could call it that. LOL.

Scott B

This is the type of action I was hoping to see when climategate broke. Hopefully he’ll keep pushing if the internal investigation is a whitewash.

Pamela Gray

I don’t know how my post got into the wrong thread. But it did and I wasn’t even near that thread about the House of Lords. Anyway, here it is in the proper thread, I hope:
My just sent letter to my Democratic Senator:
Dear Senator Merkley,
Well, well, well. I still have the text of the response letter I received from you a while ago regarding my concerns with climate change. Would you like me to send it back to you to refresh your memory?
My position stands as before. I am a registered Democrat. Liberal in my views of my fellow humans, conservative in my own way of life. I have voted the Democratic ticket almost exclusively during my entire adult life. But this climate change business has turned out to be a water shed event for me.
Tell me, what say you now about climate change? Still want to hang your career on it? Because in truth, if you do, your career will surely be hanged by it.
Sincerely,
Your Constituent

REPLY:
You go girl! – Anthony

Mapou

The AGW fraudsters are going to have a hell of a hard time sweeping this dirt under the carpet.

Denis Hopkins

If only something like that would happen here in Norwich (Home of uea CRU ). Instead of police investigating the obfuscation and stated aims of frustrating the Freedom Of Information laws we have an investigation into how the emails escaped into the net!

rbateman

Leaves little doubt about the seriousness and urgency of the concerns expressed.
Now, what about the states that have already placed thier economies under Cap & Trade laws based upon the critical findings of a compromised CRU?

CLIMATE CHANGE IS NATURAL: 100 REASONS WHY with commentary.
http://pathstoknowledge.net/2009/12/15/climate-change-is-natural-100-reasons-why

Scott Fox

The Senator’s letter in quite serious in tone, and I don’t doubt an investigation would be full of powerful language as well, but politicians have a habit of talking the talk without walking the walk.
Still, a very interesting deveopment. 🙂

I’m glad that they are taking this very serious !!

Kay

This is good news. I seriously doubt that Penn State’s funding is in jeopardy–and it gets hundreds of millions in research dollars–but its alumni won’t give if they feel Mann is making a Penn State degree look bad.
Too bad Piccola isn’t in my neck of the woods. I’d vote for him. 🙂

My beloved college’s statement on Mann portends a whitewash of all facts and an exoneration just like in 2006. They don’t even address the files showing poor science (and worse) in their statement, just the emails that were “stolen”. Central Pennsylvanians and Nittany Lions are a conservative breed though, despite the leftist tilt of the University setting. Dr. Mann will not long endure what is to come for him in ridicule and derision. Another institution better be on his wish list.

Richard

“Please inform me of the Penn State’s internal Investigation” – are they likely to jeopardise themselves in any way? The internal investigation will be a whitewash.

B. Humphreys

This does leave Dr. Mann in a bit of a bind. His response to suggestions of malfeasance are usually along the lines of
– not peer reviewed
– denier
– fossil fuel funded
– not a climatologist
… and those are the milder ones. It’s probably not politically astute to throw those out at a state senator who can significantly influence PSU’s funding.
It would be interesting to see him try however.

DJ Meredith

I’m sure it’ll all get sorted out at the Penn State summit in Steubenville. If the potholes on the turnpike have gotten fixed so they can get there….

Fair and correct. Science is not to be adulterated by politicking and opportunism, it is far too important for that. I support a total rework and investigation of the status and validity of current so called consensus.

Allen

The politicians never let slip an opportunity for partisan gain. If the integrity of this IPCC gang is subject to the crucible of public hearings, I am all for it. Climate science needs a purge of advocates masquerading as scientists.

Denis Hopkins, keep watching.
I suspect CRU/EAU made a significant error when they involved the authorities by labeling this leak as a criminal hack. In doing so, they validated the contents and placed them in the possession of law enforcement, and likely provided a complete chain of custody for the materials and it’s context in their interviews.
The materials may indicate criminal activities – which will eventually be questioned. When that questioning comes, it will have both the validated documents and their various interviews as relevant material for the investigation. In the US, we refer to that as a perjury trap. It would have been far better for CRU/EAU to simply issue a no comment or refuse to discuss the confidential matter. If they had done so, then every expose from that trove of documents would have to cross-checked and validated independently. The short term, public relations advantage of the “hack” meme may in the long term come back to bite them.

Zeke

“The work of Dr. Mann and other scientists at the CRU is being used to develop economic and environmental policies in states and countries across the world. Considering the saliency of the work being conducted by the CRU, anything short of the persuit of absolute science cannot be accepted or tolerated.”
Whyyyy couldn’t he be a lawyer?!
🙂

Boudu

Ouch ! The senator is serious, no mistake. PSU will find it difficult to whitewash their investigation.
And Pamela . . . Go girl !

oakwood

Great stuff
I’ve saved copies of these letters in a directory I’ve called ‘Fall of Mann’. It is highly entertaining watching this develop. The smugness of Mann has always been irritating.
And to recall the number of RC sycophants who regularly called for ‘deniers’ to be taken to court. Ho, ho, ho.

oakwood

I’ve saved these letters in a directory I’ve called ‘Fall of Mann’. The developments are highly entertaining.
And to recall how often RC-sycophants have called for “deniers” to be taken to court. HO, ho, ho!

Peter

Was there a second page to the Commonwealth Foundation letter? I would be very interested to see who the author of the letter was and what the grounds he stated were. Maybe it is just my browser (Safari). Cheers.

Leon Brozyna

Included in the definition of hubris is that bit about retribution. So, after a couple decades of the sweet side of hubris, comes the balancing out. Wonder how they’ll feel after a couple decades of funding reductions/cuts and investigative hearings at mutiple levels of government. The lawyers are going to have a field day.
Mann got off easy after the Wegman Report. Not gonna happen this time. On top of that, expect to see that issue come back to haunt him. This time there’ll be no dismissive ignoring of calls for data.
There’s always community college.

Richard Saumarez (10:27:27) :
Talking of completely unbiased search for the truth, this is worth looking at:
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2009/12/vast-nexus-of-influence.html

Good find. So we know who to sling in Jail with Mann and pals then.
Not another dollar, pound or quatloo for any of them. With-hold your taxes until they are behind bars.

Invariant

Scott B (10:31:34) : @Invariant
Agreed. I took a closer look and found that I did actually disagree with at least 50 of the statements. I wonder what is the purpose of the article?

blcjr

Interesting take on this here:
http://volokh.com/2009/12/15/michael-mann-should-not-be-investigated-by-penn-state/
I’m inclined to agree, but if the academics will not enforce academic integrity, and if they are feeding from the public trough, then public scrutiny, aka investigation, is fair game.

Julian in Wales

If I were anything to do with the administration of the PSU I would be trying to escape responsibilty for the consequences of Prof Mann’s work at my university. I would be trying to demonstrate that if Prof Mann has been involved in fraud it was completely unknown to me and that once I knew about it I took all reasonable steps to protect innocent outsiders from what might have happened inside my institution. The problem is that Steve MacIntyre has been questioning the methods fo Prof Mann in public for many years and it was unreasonable not to have had an investigation into the work of Prof Mann earlier when these problems first surfaced many years ago.

Bruckner8

I’ll only be impressed when the likes of Mann push back on the “investigators,” saying “we were acting on your orders. See, here is an email from your types, encouraging me to find any hint of AGW so that the money keep coming from the Feds. Don’t you dare try to let me take all of the blame for this. You were complicit too.”

Base "F"

I have previously thought our unsubtle, gun wielding, cousins, across the pond to be a bit of a liability, but I would just like to say a hearty thanks in advance for saving the world from AGW nonsense. American voters actually have some power. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said over here. I am proud of the efforts of Monckton et al, but I think that the yanks will be the first to stand up and be counted when it comes to rejecting this fraud.

Dave D

I hate to dump cold water on this celebration, but this appears to be Republican related politicians, threatening a school in (democratic) PA, while they are the minority party…. I saw a distribution on this of Republican Senators and it was signed by the Minority Something or other… There are 40 of these guys and gals, fairly toothless at the moment, in the US Senate. How many Dem’s will cross the aisle to help them “punish” a University, helping the Dems to raise Billions???
This letter might have more substance behind it if there was any Dem Senators backing it, you know the other 58,59,60 guys and gals, depending how you count it… If they send a letter saying they are sure, wink, wink, that PSU has the highest standards and will look into this wink, wink as it deserves, well, this letter may be wasted carbon!
I’m just saying!

I might get more excited when a Democrat senator makes a stand. So far, the debate is polarized along the usual fault lines.

Richard Heg

Invariant (10:19:37) :
Anthony: this belongs in a new thread. http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/146138
CLIMATE CHANGE IS NATURAL: 100 REASONS WHY
Reply:
New scientist is on the offensive:
“A British newspaper today published a list of “100 reasons why global warming is natural”.
Here we take a quick look at the first 50 of their claims – and debunk each one”
http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2009/12/50-reasons-why-global-warming.html
And they are flghting back at climategate with “Deniergate”:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18279-deniergate-turning-the-tables-on-climate-sceptics.html

[quote]I hate to dump cold water on this celebration, but this appears to be Republican related politicians, threatening a school in (democratic) PA, while they are the minority party[/quote]
Republicans control the senate in PA.

P.S. And those Republicans haven’t yet supplied PSU with this years funding.

Doug

A couple of years ago I wrote the University of Arizona to point out that they were blocking Steve McIntyre from downloading data. They promised to look into the matter, and perhaps it was rectified.
I just sent them my old correspondence, as well as some climategate emails with their researchers discussing concealing data. Hopefully, universities will start to enforce some higher standards.

karl.heuer

Dave D:
Senator Piccola is a PA State Senator, not US Senator. Currently the MAJORITY party in the PA State Senate is Republican.
Democrats have only a slim 104-99 majority in the PA House of Representatives.
Penn State University is a Public Institution that gets funding from the Commonwealth of PA.

dbv

Seems Republicans have a majority in the PA State Senate while Democrats have a narrow majority in the PA State House.
http://www.csg.org/pubs/Election2008/PostGELegislativeBreakdown.aspx#PA

Jack in Oregon

Dave D,
This is the state legislature in action, not the Federal level. Pennsylvania happens to have a Republican controlled state senate. This happens to have teeth. The state is the funding source for Penn State. As such, the State could cancel funding to the University, until it cleans up its Mann based climate issues.
The first letter is from the Chairman of the Education committee. He was letting his majority know he was focused on the topic. If I was Mann, I would be seriously worried.

Pennsylvania is only Democratic in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, the middle of the state in overwhelmingly Republican. Even State College, with its Democratic University types is dwarfed by the surrounding Republicans. The Blue/Red map is pretty dramatic. Left-leaning Academia is not very trusted in an environment where the jobs are disappearing anyway. Sort of like being in a farm house surrounded by Zombies, I suppose. (From their perspective).

Dr A Burns

Monash University publishes volumes of unsubstantiated alarmist tripe. A search on Monash gets 6 hits in the ClimateGate documents. I wonder if there’s any money flow involved here as well ?