While Dr. Mann has made statements in the press during the last week to the effect of “I welcome this investigation” I wonder if he’s seen some of the correspondence being sent to PSU regarding him. Here’ s one from Pennsylvania State Senator Jeff Piccola that has some very pointed language.
PDF of letter is here Sen-Piccola-Letter-on-PSU-Prof-Michael-Mann
And here is one of the letters to Senator Piccola that prompted his letter to PSU:
h/t to WUWT reader “Rod”
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Very good letters! Including the one Pamela posted in the comments.
Now, who was the UofA fellow involved again? I live in AZ. I’m an engineer. I will write to the UofA and the state legislature (which has a Republican majority right now) and tell them the same thing about that fellow. Thanks in advance.
Pamela Gray (10:34:33) : -Gee Pamela don’t sugar coat it to Smerkley-tell it like it is:)
I sent him a letter some time back on this subject and go the usual boiler plate.
Though I doubt Smith, his RINO predecessor would’ve been better. I’m a conservative independent,and I will vote for someone Liberal/Conservative/Democrat/Republican
who can think for themselves-which is what we need….
I think we are seeing the last, desperate,unraveling of AGW. But it isn’t going to go down without a fight…
@Dave D
Jeff Piccola isn’t a US senator he is A Pennsylvania State Senator and the chairman of the commitee that funds PSU. You are mixing up Sen Inhofe with the PA State Senate. Also Note that the Rebuplicans have a 30 to 20 advantage over Dems in the PA Senate. What most people don’t understand about PA is that because of Philly and Pittsburg’s Populations Governor and Presidential elections tilt Dem, but when it comes down to districts in PA most of them are Republican, so that is why you get a typical power split in PA.
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/home/member_information/senators_alpha.cfm
Here is the link to the site for Piccola:
http://www.piccola.org/pages/education.asp
Hopefully, somday it will make a good book. I even have a title. The Rise and Fall of Mann. With any luck and an interested prosecutor, the fall could be very enteratining. One would hope that they bring back coperal punishment… By hockystick!!! My popcorn is ready, lets get the show on the road!
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>> http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/146138
>>@Invariant – It’s a garbage article with simple statements
>>with various levels of truthiness.
I disagree. It is a good article, as it is laid out in simple sound-bites for the common people, and it broadcasts a very different view of s0-called Climate Change.
Let the Warmists debate some of these points, if they wish, for that is what we want – debate. At last, some readers – ordinary people – will begin to realise that there is an alternative view. The science is not quite so settled.
Let’s have the debate in public – bring it on.
Dave. This ordeal is the Pensylvania Senate. State med schools, engineering schools and all other departments hustle for limited dollars.
I read the 2 letters and it is clear that the chancelor will act on this. He may lose his job also. It is very likely that Mann is history. This may be a requirement to restore partial trust in the school. Spanier comes from Nebraska. At land grant schools, they are dependent on Ag giants for research and funding.
http://president.psu.edu/sou/articles/sou2009.html
750 million research dollars a year. materials science and industrial research are top notch. Mann is most likely a bad odor they will want to get rid of soon.
No I doubt the President of the school system is at risk. He is going to fight a lot of fund raising crisis in numerous departments.
Not a big deal, but the title of this post is not consistent with the wording of the letter, which reads “…the pursuit of absolute science…”
I wonder how much black soot Mann’s career will emit when it goes up in flames?
Dave D.
Please note that the letter is from a Pennsylvania State Senator not a US Senator. The Pennsylvania Senate is made up of 30 Republicans and 20 Democrats. If the Pennsylvania Republican State Senators wish to make an issue of this they certainly have enough of a majority to do so.
I would actually argue that the PA State Senate venue would be the best place for “turning the screws” to what Prof. Mann has done. They can subpeona his work and data, call him before a hearing and bring in expert statisticians.
Shiny
Ed
All the security is already in place at Copenhagen. Just keep the lot of them there and turn the conference centre into an enforced stay hotel while the investigations run their course.
DJ Meredith (10:53:54) : I’m sure it’ll all get sorted out at the Penn State summit in Steubenville. If the potholes on the turnpike have gotten fixed so they can get there….”
It’s winter, so not a snowball’s chance. LOL You’ll just have to wait till like May or June! Just don’t break an axle on your way there.
Denis Hopkins (10:37:12) : I echo your sentiments. You might try contacting the editor of our local paper with your concerns, and see if you get a reply – I didn’t (twice)!!
Lord Monckton has said he will be paying Norfolk Police a visit as soon as he gets back from Hoxenhagen, I wonder what sort of reception he will get? If I knew when he was going to be there I would pay a visit – just to shake his hand!
Dave D (11:49:20) :
PSU is not a national university, and AFAIK the only national universities in the US are the military academies. PSU was chartered by the State of Pennsylvania and receives much of its support through state funds. The makeup of the US Senate has little bearing on what the State General Assembly chooses to do regarding PSU and Mann.
Sen. Piccola (R) is the Chairman of the Education Committee in the Pennsylvania General Assembly (Legislature). If you had read more carefully, you would have seen that Sen. Piccola sent a courtesy cc to his Democratic Party counterpart on the Education Committee, Sen. Dinniman. There are 30 Republicans and 20 Democrats in democratic PA’s State Senate.
Sen. Piccola’s letter ought not to be taken lightly by the University.
When the history of the Great Global Warming Scam is written in the years ahead, again and again future historian’s will come back to to a text book study on how [ perhaps] just one person with a conscience, using the the power of the all pervasive World Wide Web, completely destroyed one of the greatest scientific scams in history.
Earth’s people may well owe that person a moral debt that can be never be fully repaid in any one lifetime.
Penn State is in a recent boom in energy. The marcellas shale is leasing at high rates. Oil and coal are great revenue sources. The fundraising campaign is ambitious. alumni and friends have enthusiasm that is easy to freeze. I spent last Saturday in another fine school. My daughter is a top NCAA athlete and extremely high ranking merit scholar. Her offers on graduation were from strong alumni. I know people by name than make 5 million dollar donor phone calls. It is so easy for a couple of fans to chat at a table in a golf clubhouse and pass 30 million to some other aggressive institution.
I can make a few calls, but I suspect Mann has been severed. He seems to have free time and have been relieved from classroom contact. departments can be passive aggressive and not fire a trouble maker. They just move the office to a broom closet and give a sabbatical and send him on research in the field.
I can look it up, but the school of climate scientology is an adversary to many agriculture industrials as well as automotive.
Heck ya, just move the climate scientists from Penn state to the state pen! lol
Lord Monckton pulls no punches. If you haven’t seen this its a must.
http://www.cfact.tv/2009/12/07/lord-monckton-on-climategate-at-the-2nd-international-climate-conference/
Will Sen Picolla get his witch? Lets hope not.
Richard Heg (11:56:56) :
And they are flghting back at climategate with “Deniergate”:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18279-deniergate-turning-the-tables-on-climate-sceptics.html
…Don’t bother. I have read the article, and it is one of the worse-written articles in a so-called “scientific” journal that I have ever read. Also note that most of the comments have been deleted.
Invariant (10:19:37) ” http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/146138 “
“Climate Change is Natural: 100 Reasons Why”
Denier articles like this undermine the nonalarmist movement. Why would someone bother to do such an amateur job? My first instinct when I see junk like this is sabotage – i.e. an extreme alarmist posing as a “nutjob denier” with the intention of undermining credibility.
Reply: Use of term denier acceptable in this context. Others don’t get carried away, it is still a proscribed word at this site. ~ ctm
I think alumni should send the same letter.
That is one thuggish letter from Piccola. And a threat he couldn’t deliver on.
What a maroon.
But I’m just sort of repeating what Paul Vaughn just said.
“Reply: Use of term denier acceptable in this context. Others don’t get carried away, it is still a proscribed word at this site. ~ ctm”
If the term “denier” is forbidden, I suggest updating the “Policy” page. I do not wish be in violation of policy, but in complete honesty, I would have to guess at what is considered acceptable context. My intention is not to create administrative burden, but rather to avoid misunderstandings. Best Regards.
To Jean Parsiot –
Not sure “the CRU/EAU made a significant error when they involved the authorities”. If there was a suggestion that a crime had been committed, they didn’t have much choice in the eyes of the law.
To Denis Hopkins and dave ward –
The leaked emails and their consequences will be pursued by at least two formal processes in different jurisdictions, running broadly in parallel. There are many paths for information to leach out, and numerous”higher authorities” to refer to, should further investigation be warranted. Warranted by either investigation, or by interested parties in the wider community.
The investigators do not really control the process. They will understand this, and the risks of “taking a wrong turn”. We have good reason to feel confident in the outcome.
OK – it will not pan out quite that way. It seems almost inevitable that somebody will be unsatisfied with the outcome of the initial investigations.
But that’s not something to be concerned about. It will just keep the issue under the glare of public attention for a longer period. Public pressure will bring promoters of MMGW into the spotlight to explain and justify their ideas to a wider audience. It will be an audience with increasing awareness of the issues and the controversy. And the public arena is no place to drown out the voices of those who disagree – there will be an improved outlet for sceptical opinion.
We can see this happening already. A promoter of MMGW having a moan in “the Economist” for having to explain their ideas. Even if it is galling to read, “New Scientist” trying to put down sceptical opinion only helps to build the platform of public awareness upon which the debate will be played out.
OT
Apropos the Copenhagen agenda, Roger Harribin, the BBC environmental analyst, mentioned one of the desired outcomes was ”… change to political systems.” Harribin didn’t expand on this sinister point but I wonder if such ‘change’ is destined to move us in the direction of dictatorship or democracy. Or, to put it another way, will we get a referendum in every country on what has been conspired at Copenhagen, or will we be told that ‘denial’ or opposition is a criminal offence?
Watch this space.