UPDATE: In a strange twist, Climate Depot reports that Brochure reveals Gore accurately cited scientist’s prediction of ice-free Arctic — It is the Scientist who has the explaining to do — not Gore
Marc Morano writes via email – This is turning into a war of phrases. Maslowski tells the UK Telegraph: “I was very explicit that we were talking about ‘near-ice-free conditions’ and not ‘completely ice-free conditions’ (as Gore claimed) in the northern ocean.”
Read details here
From the “Inconvenient Truths” department, the Times is reporting that Gore got called out for saying older figures on Arctic sea ice as “fresh” when they were not, and misrepresenting what the scientist actually said. This latest gaff makes three in a row for Mr. Gore, who recently made bizarre claims of the leaked CRU emails being “10 years old”, when there were many, many in the last decade, some in the last month. Gore also recently stated on national television recently that the Earth’s mantle was “several million degrees”, making it likely hotter than our sun.
As indicated by the Times article, his latest gaffe has not gone unnoticed by the MSM.
Excerpts of the Times article:
There are many kinds of truth. Al Gore was poleaxed by an inconvenient one yesterday.
The former US Vice-President, who became an unlikely figurehead for the green movement after narrating the Oscar-winning documentary An Inconvenient Truth, became entangled in a new climate change “spin” row.
Mr Gore, speaking at the Copenhagen climate change summit, stated the latest research showed that the Arctic could be completely ice-free in five years.
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Mr Gore told the conference: “These figures are fresh. Some of the models suggest to Dr [Wieslav] Maslowski that there is a 75 per cent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during the summer months, could be completely ice-free within five to seven years.”
However, the climatologist whose work Mr Gore was relying upon dropped the former Vice-President in the water with an icy blast.
“It’s unclear to me how this figure was arrived at,” Dr Maslowski said. “I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this.”
Mr Gore’s office later admitted that the 75 per cent figure was one used by Dr Maslowksi as a “ballpark figure” several years ago in a conversation with Mr Gore.
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“This is an exaggeration that opens the science up to criticism from sceptics,” Professor Jim Overland, a leading oceanographer at the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said.
“You really don’t need to exaggerate the changes in the Arctic.”
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[Maslowksi said] “I was very explicit that we were talking about near-ice-free conditions and not completely ice-free conditions in the northern ocean. I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this,” he said. “It’s unclear to me how this figure was arrived at, based on the information I provided to Al Gore’s office.”
Read the complete Times article here
Marc Morano of Climate Depot also has a take on it here
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Caption contest:
“Think of my happy place, think of my happy place.”
Now my right hand is stuck to my head
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20091214/capt.4b2488461b104230ad59800a9e864deb.aptopix_denmark_climate_summit_ans111.jpg?x=400&y=236&q=85&sig=NHBS_9NSS_te3n1qGeT.Iw–
Al Gore is 99% focused on how he say things and 1% what he says?
Maybee he is the first person that is convinced?
Next level would be:
“These figures are fresh. Some of the models suggest to Dr [Wieslav] Maslowski that there is a 75 per cent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during the summer months, was completely ice-free five to seven years ago. So in order to prevent this from happening we have to act now and swiftly ”
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Caption:
Wibble wibble friznit zee-o yowk!!!!
Caption contest:
Where did things start to go wrong…..?
“Most climate scientists agree that a 20 to 30-year timescale is more likely for the near-disappearance of sea ice.”
Most scientists agree total summer ice loss at the end of a period of exactly 1 Hermie!
(See entertaining discussion of the alarmism of Herman Kahn and the definition of the “Hermie” here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8408386.stm )
The news editors are starting to use unsympathetic photos of the prophets of doom. – Great!
Caption contest:
“I’m a fraud.. tomorrow, I’m going to be exposed for what I am, a big imposter.. I just want to curl up and lay in bed all day and eat Fig Newtons.”
Caption contest:
I am just a fool.. I.. I don’t know what I’m doing.. I’m gonna die homeless and penniless and twenty pounds overweight.. no one will come to my funeral… no one will ever love me..
Al Gore said all the Boreal ice
Is gonna disappear in a trice
But he didn’t expect
The scientist to object
That the data doesn’t really suffice
Not seen the Catlin Arctic Survey preliminary results yet which can be found here (http://www.catlinarcticsurvey.com/) or the one from the rocket scientists at NASA which is found here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztz3ZdPbdKo) . I love the smell of roasting [snip] basting in their own self created flames . Such is life , when being blind to that which is obvious in the natural world makes fools of us all .
Meanwhile virtually all of the older ice, that used to cover 2/3 of the Arctic Sea, is gone.
Ice free summer and ‘seasonal ice’ will be the fact in less than five years. Do the math.
Reply: I’m willing to wager that you are wrong. Let’s say 5,000 US dollars that summer minimum Arctic sea ice extent will not fall below 2 million square kilometers in the next five years as measured by JAXA. ~ charles the moderator.
REPLY2: Yes RR, let’s put your money where your mouth is. What say you? Deal or No Deal? Sending you an email to make sure you know about this. – Anthony Watts
‘He’s Cletus, the slack-jawed yokel.’
To add to the festive cheer, for those not familiar with the psychogeography of England, Norfolk is our own, largely mythical, hillybilly country. This adds an extra spice to the link between Man(n)BearPig and CRU’s Dr Tim of South Park.
Iceteam headache?
Ken Lay said this would be easy.
I think I have a fever…NO NO the Earth has a fever!
Now where did the little grey aliens implant the reset button?
Hey what do you want ?
not everyone can channel the bard of Baltimore
Caption
Doh!
WUWT has a series of articles on the Catlin Arctic expedition and Mr. Maslowski was apparently a science adviser for that group of… simple minded people.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/?s=Catlin+Arctic
Just Google: Maslowski Catlin
Gore will tell any lie to keep this [snip] running – every day or even hour more means more cash in his numerous bank accounts.
kwik: I had great respect for mr. Støre – until yesterday. Just the fact that he is co-presenting this work with scare-profitmaker Gore made me angry and sad.
And why are they bringing up the methane scare again? (See: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/10/that-worrisome-methane-beast-apparently-is-still-not-awake/)
Mr. Støre should examine his own brain and look for inconsistencies between his global warming religious belief and hard facts about the Arctic: E.g. that many parts of the arctic were just as warm 60-70 years ago (in fact, Nuuk of Greenland was warmer (http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/gistemp_station.py?id=431042500000&data_set=1&num_neighbors=1), or that the Barents sea just outside Norway’s coast was in the same ballpark (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/08/new-paper-barents-sea-temperature-correlated-to-the-amo-as-much-as-4°c/).
so soo (00:14:53) : said:
Not seen the Catlin Arctic Survey preliminary results yet which can be found here (http://www.catlinarcticsurvey.com/) or the one from the rocket scientists at NASA which is found here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztz3ZdPbdKo) . I love the smell of roasting [snip] basting in their own self created flames . Such is life , when being blind to that which is obvious in the natural world makes fools of us all .
Reply:
And now all you need to do is prove that it’s man made CO2 causing this and I’ll be straight over to your side of the fence kind sir…..
I wait with baited breath…..
” In a flash of insight, Mr Gore spots his carbon footprint. “
Okay, the seventh-century time warp I’m stuck in still remembers that, immediately after the Climategate broke, Al gave Copenhagen the sad news he *wouldn’t* be there because he had a previous engagement he had suddenly recollected, or his sock drawer was being renovated, or something. Did he decide to ride in and reverse the shambles with his White Knight Magic Lance after all?
O/T but something is in the air in the UK. The UK Conservative party 100 Reasons why the ‘Copenhagen’ Governments and other proponents of “man-made” Global Warming theory of Climate Change are completely wrong
http://tinyurl.com/y8bjfws
And the Daily Express (MSM newspaper in the UK) has another: 100 REASONS WHY GLOBAL WARMING IS NATURAL:
http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/146139
There is a 75 per cent chance that Al Gore, during the summer months, could be completely fact-free within five to seven years.
Dave Wendt (19:28:03) : wrote
quote BTW, a question I’ve never had a really reasonable answer provided for is what exactly will be the the catastrophe that results if all the ice in the Arctic does disappear one summer? unquote
Professor Robert Essenhigh suggests that no ice leads to more snow which sets off cooling. A beneficent feedback.
I think the areas of the Arcic which are refusing to freeze as quickly as past experience expects are polluted with oil. Melting ice releases entrained oil and makes matters worse. A positive feedback.
It will be interesting to watch.
JF
I’m not sure that Google Earth is a reliable source. Google CEO Eric Schmidt was Governor Arnuld’s co-presenter last week when the Gov. revealed the San Francisco underwater scenario. If Schmidt is an alarmist, and I suspect he is, that calls the source into question.
Give a few minutes with Photoshop and I’ll show you visual proof that Africa doesn’t exist.