Leaking, again? These aren’t the CRUTape documents, but secret docs from “the Circle of Commitment” describing the way some manipulators wanted Copenhagen’s agreement to pan out. See it here
This quote (from the Guardian article) sums it up pretty well:
“It is being done in secret. Clearly the intention is to get [Barack] Obama and the leaders of other rich countries to muscle it through when they arrive next week. It effectively is the end of the UN process,” said one diplomat, who asked to remain nameless.
At least one person had scruples, or we wouldn’t be hearing about it now.
From news.com.au
Copenhagen conference in ‘disarray’
TALKS at the United Nations climate change conference in Copenhagen have broken down over leaked documents indicating that wealthier nations would be given more power in future climate change negotiations.
The documents seem to allow a handful of rich countries to have larger emissions and more control over future talks within a “circle of commitment” and have enraged delegates from developing countries.
The US, UK, and Denmark are among the countries included in the so-called “Danish text.”
The document also sets unequal limits on per capita carbon emissions for developed and developing countries in 2050; meaning that people in rich countries would be permitted to emit nearly twice as much under the proposals.
The secret draft agreement worked on by a group of individuals known as “the circle of commitment” – understood to include the UK, US and Denmark – has only been shown to a handful of countries since it was finalised this week, The Guardian reports.
The agreement, leaked to the paper, is a departure from the Kyoto protocol’s principle that rich nations, which have emitted the bulk of the CO2, should take on firm and binding commitments to reduce greenhouse gases, while poorer nations were not compelled to act.
The draft hands effective control of climate change finance to the World Bank; would abandon the Kyoto protocol – the only legally binding treaty that the world has on emissions reductions; and would make any money to help poor countries adapt to climate change dependent on them taking a range of actions.
The document was described last night by one senior diplomat as “a very dangerous document for developing countries. It is a fundamental reworking of the UN balance of obligations. It is to be superimposed without discussion on the talks”, the paper reports.
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I would like to express my gratitude to the brave IT people (the ones with the opportunities and abilities to do these leaks), who have risked their jobs (though hopefully they know how to cover their tracks), to bring these gems to light. Hail to the Unknown Geeks! They are truly the Heroes of our Brave New World. May they always have clean power, good backups, and bright blue LED lights.
Hail the Geeks!
The mechanism for the global government being created before our eyes. This allows the “rich nations” to produce more CO2. Hmmm, proves that they know that the AGW theory is a lie.
They will tax and control the middle and working classes to the edge of extinction, whilst revelling in their own personal excess as before. This week sees a perfect example of this as they jet in to Copenhagen to lecture us on carbon emissions and telling us not to fly. When I have drastically reduced my personal carbon footprint and I have not flown once in the last 6 years, I object to the fact that the last 5 years of my reductions in carbon have been offset by one celebrity flying into Copenhagen, parking their jet in another country and being driven around in a stretch limo.
This shows that by their behaviour they do not believe in AGW. If these high level delegates to Copenhagen do not even believe in it, why should I?
I looked up Lysenko in Wikipedia when some parallels between then and now seemed to leap out. The “Then” stuff is directly from Wikipedia.
Then) Lysenko rejected Mendelian genetics for his theory of environmentally acquired inheritance and adopted them into a powerful political scientific movement termed Lysenkoism.
Now) A few climate scientists develop a theory the earth’s temperature is rising and the cause is man-made CO2. This theory is adopted into a powerful political scientific movement called AGW.
Then) Lysenko became director of the Institute of Genetics within the USSR’s Academy of Sciences.
Now) Phil Jones becomes the director of East Anglia University Climate Research Unit (CRU).
Then) Soviet political bosses gave their support to Lysenko. This support was a consequence of policies by the Communist party to collectivize farming.
Now) Leftist politicians gave their support to AGW. This support was a consequence of these politicians trying to promote control over the economy.
Then) For the next several years Lysenko’s opponents were purged from held positions and many were imprisoned.
Now) For the next several years AGW opponents were purged from held positions and many skeptical scientists are marginalized as cranks.
Then) Lysenko was made responsible for ending the propagation of “harmful” ideas among Soviet scientists. Lysenko served this purpose by causing the expulsion, imprisonment, and death of hundreds of scientists and eliminating all study and research involving Mendelian genetics throughout the Soviet Union.
Now) The AGW scientists made themselves responsible for ending the propagation of “harmful” ideas among other scientists. They served this purpose by preventing dissenting scientific papers from being published, destroying data, calling skeptics “deniers” and manufacturing false science.
Then) In 1962 three prominent Soviet physicists presented a case against Lysenko, proclaiming his work as false science.
Now) In November of 2009, a brave person with a conscience leaks the CRU emails, data and computer programs.
Then) The Soviet press was soon filled with anti-Lysenkoite articles and appeals for the restoration of scientific methods to all fields of biology and agricultural science.
Now) Climategate goes viral on the internet. Scientists declare AGW a fraud and call for the restoration of scientific methods.
Then) Lysenko was removed from his post as director of the Institute of Genetics at the Academy of Sciences.
Now) Phil Jones steps down as the director of the CRU.
Then) In 1964 the president of the Academy of Sciences declared that Lysenko’s immunity to criticism had officially ended. An expert commission was sent to investigate Lysenko’s records. A few months later, a devastating critique of Lysenko was made public. As a result, Lysenko was immediately disgraced in the Soviet Union.
Now) This part is pending. It’s not history yet.
Wouldn’t surprise me if a backlash on this drives people towards strengthening-up the UN as the controller of all this stuff. That is what the UN wants, after all.
Vincent: (09:02:32)
“Maybe Western leaders are smarter than we have given them credit for, and are gaming the system to benefit of the West.”
IMHO you are SO CORRECT and very perceptive. I have never believed all this hogwash that the DEVELOPING WORLD was forcing
the WEST to drastically reduce their C02 footprints (except maybe try to).
I am from a developing country and I have NEVER EVER believed in the WEST committing ECONOMIC HARIKIRI!!! Pure and simple!
“He who pays the piper plays the tune.” via the WORLD BANK of course.
Western governments still want to tax your eyballs out though (double warming scammy :o).
“The Parties recognize the urgency of addressing the need for enhanced action on adaptation to climate change. They are equally convinced that moving to a low-emission economy is an opportunity to promote continued economic growth and sustainable development in all countries recognizing that gender equality is essential in achieving sustainable development.”
But what about the Unicorns!
REPLY: oh, that’s a headline that cries out for a photo – Anthony
You are a bad man.
ClimateGate seam to have got a little sister -CopenhagenGate!
All blessings..
rbateman (11:32:50) :
New reports cite a ‘circus atmosphere’ that is coming apart at the seams.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,579734,00.html
“These 700 events will run five or six at a time nearly non-stop in Copenhagen “
Well a good number of those must be looking at the science surely? No? Say it ain’t so.
Hacked email climate scientists receive death threats
Not a very good move….
“Copenhagen might be in “disarray,” but it’s not in disarray for the right reasons. It should be in disarray because the so-called science of AGW is not science but politics and propaganda.”
Even on our side it amazed me how many people still don’t “get it.”
it Isn’t about the science.
It was *never* about the science!!!
It is about power, and money, and control. The science has just been a convenient excuse, an expedient way to hoodwink the gullible. If the science falls into question it means the lying and the cheating is going to have to get a bit more thuggish and open, but it will NOT END until these institutions and the people backing them are knocked off their perches. The lust and drive for power will NOT end no matter what we find out about the science, which is why the exposure of the fraud has had no impact on the people pushing this.
The only good thing to come of the fraud is that the true scientists might now just gain enough allies to overthrow the media, the “green lobby”, and all of the current governments who support this chicanery. Until all of those are overthrown and replaced, this war will not end.
Vincent: (09:02:32)
“Maybe Western leaders are smarter than we have given them credit for, and are gaming the system to benefit of the West.”
IMHO you are SO CORRECT and very perceptive. I have never believed all this hogwash that the DEVELOPING WORLD was forcing the WEST to drastically reduce their C02 footprints (except maybe try to).
I am from a developing country and I have NEVER EVER believed in the WEST committing ECONOMIC HARIKIRI!!! Pure and simple!
“He who pays the piper plays the tune.” via the WORLD BANK of course.
Western governments still want to tax your eyballs out though (double warming scammy :o).
“They are equally convinced that moving to a low-emission economy is an opportunity to promote continued economic growth and sustainable development in all countries recognizing that gender equality is essential in achieving sustainable development.”
Ha, proof it’s not the west or the developing countries driving the agenda, it’s the People’s Front of Judea.
..”and it’s too late baby now, it just too late, though we really did try to make it…”
Oh nooooo….!!! It’s too late.
Nothing is as it seems.
Robert: re Cone of Silence
What?
AdderW,
I think doubting how many of these threats have actually been made is a good thing.
It would have been interesting to actually produce a few of the suspect e-mails.
But somehow it is a consistent pattern that AGW promoters are shy about producing e-mails.
As it seems more and more clear that the leaked e-mails, the code and the data are evidence of a major scam, I wonder how mad people whould get at the fraudsters?
“the circle of commitment” —- sounds like something out of a Dennis Wheatley novel.
Oh no! Trouble in paradise again? This is just awful! “Circle of commitment”? Where is the Circle of Trust? Where is the love? Can’t they all just get along – perhaps a big group hug, and sing kumbaya, and toast marshmallows? I am just sick over this turn of events, sick I tell you. And yes, don’t forget the Unicorns. I need to go lie down now to recover from this huge disappointment.
Can’t seem to find any popcorn lately. Seems to be a run on it.
Like other posters here, my jaw dropped. This is so weird. I’m tempted to call BS on this document.
If the document is true on a “secret” agreement between the U.S., U.K. and Denmark, then Obama has shown a level of realism that has escaped his mental capacity ’til now. If CO2-generated AGW theory is true, this document is explicit on what needs to be done – capping developing world CO2 generation at some level lower than the developed world’s. This developed world is inexorable and unavoidable unless their politicians want to commit collective political suicide. But to put this position into a “secret” agreement just when you enter into talks with the developing world on AGW means you’re not dealing in good faith. So by leaking the draft of the document you may be seeking to force the developing world to walk out on what the developed world now understands to be a really, really bad deal based on corrupted science.
But this document sounds a little bogus. It seems as if it could be a really bad creation of a lousy agent provocateur with crappy timing trying to frost the developing world into confronting and humiliating the developed world into even greater concessions to show their “good faith” in the negotiations. Which could likely backfire with the constituents back in the developed world’s democracies.
If I had been the leaker, I might have waited a few days or a week or so to torpedo the proceedings before the conference reached any agreements and give the participants a chance to recover.
Wheels within wheels. My head’s spinning.
In any case, this is gonna be fun to watch. Pass the popcorn!
It was the Judean Popular People’s Front… the People’s Front of Judea don’t have a clue
This post in the Telegraph, as well as spreading the smoking gun, claims that the story about Himalayan glaciers disappearing by 2035 should have read 2350. Someone at the IPCC misread the figure !
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100019301/climategate-another-smoking-gun/
Will someone tell the BBC. Tell the Labour Party. Tell the Conservative Party. Tell the Libdems.
ClimateGate II anyone.
Crosspatch has it exactly right in comment way further up on this thread:
If the world and especially the USA was at all serious about solving our energy problems (which are real) and as much as possible breaking our dependence on foreign oil imports (which continue at ridiculous levels), the solution is:
NUCLEAR POWER. And I refer to the ready-2-go designs for efficient and passively-safe Generation-III+ reactors; eventually to be followed by companion Generation-IV fast-neutron reactors that can reduce the amount of nuclear waste by an order of magnitude or more; and that can reduce the time said waste needs to be segregated from the environment by TWO orders of magnitude. See http://www.inl.gov and etcetera.
So here is one simple test for judging the real intent and focus of COP15:
What percentage of the conference is spent seriously discussing and planning for a major increase in nuclear power generation; at least in the developed countries and/or those who fully submit to both the letter and the spirit of the IAEA inspection regime ??
If answer to above is zero or close enough so the difference doesn’t matter (that’s my bet), you can be sure of one thing:
COP15 is NOT about supporting objective and unbiased science. . . .
And as the race is about to end, a dark horse suddenly appears from left field to steal the lead… Who will win, will it be the poor? the idealistic? the naive true believers?… or the rich and ruthless?…
The horses stream down the final stretch…
“leaked documents” …
What, not “hacked”? Not “stolen”? Not “private” documents?