Leaking, again? These aren’t the CRUTape documents, but secret docs from “the Circle of Commitment” describing the way some manipulators wanted Copenhagen’s agreement to pan out. See it here
This quote (from the Guardian article) sums it up pretty well:
“It is being done in secret. Clearly the intention is to get [Barack] Obama and the leaders of other rich countries to muscle it through when they arrive next week. It effectively is the end of the UN process,” said one diplomat, who asked to remain nameless.
At least one person had scruples, or we wouldn’t be hearing about it now.
From news.com.au
Copenhagen conference in ‘disarray’
TALKS at the United Nations climate change conference in Copenhagen have broken down over leaked documents indicating that wealthier nations would be given more power in future climate change negotiations.
The documents seem to allow a handful of rich countries to have larger emissions and more control over future talks within a “circle of commitment” and have enraged delegates from developing countries.
The US, UK, and Denmark are among the countries included in the so-called “Danish text.”
The document also sets unequal limits on per capita carbon emissions for developed and developing countries in 2050; meaning that people in rich countries would be permitted to emit nearly twice as much under the proposals.
The secret draft agreement worked on by a group of individuals known as “the circle of commitment” – understood to include the UK, US and Denmark – has only been shown to a handful of countries since it was finalised this week, The Guardian reports.
The agreement, leaked to the paper, is a departure from the Kyoto protocol’s principle that rich nations, which have emitted the bulk of the CO2, should take on firm and binding commitments to reduce greenhouse gases, while poorer nations were not compelled to act.
The draft hands effective control of climate change finance to the World Bank; would abandon the Kyoto protocol – the only legally binding treaty that the world has on emissions reductions; and would make any money to help poor countries adapt to climate change dependent on them taking a range of actions.
The document was described last night by one senior diplomat as “a very dangerous document for developing countries. It is a fundamental reworking of the UN balance of obligations. It is to be superimposed without discussion on the talks”, the paper reports.
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Somebody serve a FOIA on the Feds for all documents and things pertaining to the Secret Danish Agreement.
oh noes! The poor nations wont get their free handouts “to combat climate change”. I put quotes around that because we all know what this is really all about and why they poor nations support this world socialist government in a enviornmental movement clothing.
Don’t assume it is in disarray in the sense that it will “fail”. Leaks are part of the game. We can hope there is no agreement, but ….
“to hold temperature rises to 2 degree Celsius”
Man proposes : Nature disposes
I went to the Guardian site and read some of the comments and that was illuminating. Half the comments were deleted, almost the rest were decring about how they needed to get things done why do this and there was a few that said, well we told ya it wasn’t about the science, wraming or the planet it was about the money.
If you take the leak at face value as real, it makes one wonder the intelligence level of these people that are still clamoring for action especially in light of climategate. How can you not see the obvious? If the US, uk and the other western nations are looking to do away with the UN oversight after rigging the game that ought to tell them something right there. If they really had that rock hard science that omg were all going to die those governments wouldn’t be rigging the emissions game like they are. Hmm the CRU, GISS and NCDC just so happens to be in those countries named and 2 of them are government agencies and the third gets grants from government agencies plus money from companies that will make money off AGW. Nope all coincedence.
Now it’s not about climate, data, or long-term temperature trends.
It’s the art of politics, compromise, and establishing a new paradigm. It’s simple, really. Tell U.S. voters that the system is “rigged” in their favor and get them to then accept some external control of the U.S. What’s a little less sovereignty amongst friends? Once that new principle is in place, it’s just another little compromise to later improve the deal for the developing world and before you know it, there’s no sovereignty left to worry about.
Not just the leaked document, but also the reaction shows clearly that its about money and not about ‘saving the planet’.
It also shows that at least some countries have woken up to he fact that they are supposed to impoverish their people so that their money can flow into the coffers of those who ‘govern’ the so-called developing countries. We can be certain that these payments won’t help those in real need.
Its a global welfare system, based on the experience of socialism. One thing worth remembering is that socialism, of any stripe, aims to level down, not at pulling the poorest up.
Blaiming it on CO2 plays nicely on the guilt all Westerners are supposed to feel.
What does science, even the junk science coming from CRU and The Team, have got to do with it?
Seems to me that our scientist friends have been led along by the nose as well.
I propose we commit all those who attended this conference to an extended stay at McLean Hospital in Belmont.
This would be a good deal for the French as 75% of their electricity is generated by nuclear.
http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf40.html
and, of course, they a busy planting windmills. Oh what a a wondeful way to protect an economy that is no longer competitive on the world’s stage!
“The Circle of Commitment”
Sounds like a teenage suicide pact. In fact, it’s a Western suicide pact.
The Great and Mighty Gore! (08:29:06) :
“or children aren’t allowed air-rifles in Denmark.”
This is Europe where of course children are not allowed such a dangerous weapon as an air rifle.
Is there anyone at Columbia University that doesn’t support a Socialist New World Order?
This whole farce is a Western invention, an absolutely stupid, suicicdal one at that. Now, having promised gazillions of dollars to third world potentates, they pull the offer back 🙂
I think this sums it all up:
Never on the field of scientific endevour have so many been duped by so few.
Charlatans – Return.To.Unit!
Back.Away.Slowly.From.The.Conference.Table.With.Hands.Up.Over.Your.Heads.Where.We.Can.All.See.Them!
Take.The.First.Bicycle.Out.Of.Copenhagen – Walk.Swim.The.Rest.Of.The.Way.
Do.Not.Stuff.Caviar.In.Your.Pockets.Before.You.Leave.
Do.Not.Attempt.To.Repeat.This.Nonsense – EVER.
Begone.NOW!
If I was a Malthusian, I would be looking to give developed countries more power to hold back developing countries.
Being a Malthusian doesn’t require any compassion. It is more likely to be like the George Carlin clip posted earlier—we’re just looking to protect what we (in the developed world) have already got.
From Richard Black’s most recent blog comments
“21. At 4:59pm on 08 Dec 2009, Richard Black (BBC) wrote:
#3 Kamboshigh not sure why you call that “bad news”… also not sure how you get that figure from the UAH data. Assume you’re not cherry-picking from one very warm month to one very cold month? I’ll e-mail the profs and ask them – will post. ”
reference – “3. At 3:16pm on 08 Dec 2009, Kamboshigh wrote:
Richard hate to give you badnews but Dr.Roy Spencer published last week the UAH data for the period 2000-2009 shows a decline of -0.72 for the previous 108 months.”
Still reading through the “Danish Text” that accompanied the article, but I just have to say here’s what it’s looking like… Poor countries do nothing but sell carbon credits to richer countries, richer countries make everything, poorer countries buy stuff using carbon credit money… We’re all happy, right?
This is meant to allay fears that this will cost the U.S. more jobs. But come on, you socialist morons… a net loss of productivity in the world isn’t going to be over-come by suppressing outrage in some countries! But that is what this is. It’s protectionism. Protectionism of the elitists (provided we fall for it).
That said, I wouldn’t worry about a transfer of wealth so much as an evopration of it.
And I don’t think I need to say what THAT means.
I have some conspiracy theories.
http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2009/12/climate-leaking-again.html
I’m wondering if this wasn’t a concerted attack. First the science then the politics. And don’t forget. Who Shot JFK?
“It effectively is the end of the UN process,” said one diplomat, who asked to remain nameless.
Which means of course that there would be no need to properly investigate climategate and the input of the CRU to the IPCC process because the bandwagon will have effectively ‘moved on’…
There really is something rotten in the state of Denmark! This whole sorry affair is morally and ethically bankrupt on every level.
Sunfighter, the free handouts ($10B in upfront cash) are still on the table. But those are for the developing world’s elites to skim into various secret accounts, now, while condemning their people’s grandchildren to an energy titrated future.
Colour me unsuprised.
Not long ago, and unfortunately I lost the link the UN was grumbling about it’s existing climate adaptation/compensation/bribe fund being empty. Or not as full as it thought. Rich countries had ‘agreed’ to bung them some money to dole out to worthy causes..
http://en.cop15.dk/news/view+news?newsid=2366
While the need for climate change adaptation funding is generally agreed to amount to hundreds of billions of US dollars, the UN fund set up for the purpose in 2008 currently holds just 18 million – not billion – US dollars.
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Ah, shame. Our fearless leader, Dr Brown proposed an £80bn fund to help fill the UN coffers. Then governments realised giving the UN control may not be best policy, and may not mean the money is spent wisely. Like on crop spraying helicopters that accidently didn’t have weapons mounts removed.
So governments decided to keep control of the money and dole it out themselves, which seems to be an arrangement this new Copenhokum deal is trying to formalise. Looks green, but allows business as usual.
An excerpt from the preamble:
“The Parties recognize the urgency of addressing the need for enhanced action on adaptation to climate change. They are equally convinced that moving to a low-emission economy is an opportunity to promote continued economic growth and sustainable development in all countries recognizing that gender equality is essential in achieving sustainable development.”
Hmmm … gender equality, eh? How does this fit into the overarching goal of reduction of the dreaded CO2 emissions? Oh, wait … I guess this must mean no more heavy-breathing, guys, otherwise the brave new world will not come to pass.
Amazing, simply amazing.