One of the favorite put-downs from people who think they have the moral high ground in the climate debate is to accuse skeptics with this phrase: “You are nothing but a shill for Big Oil”
Who amongst us hasn’t seen variants of that pointed finger repeated thousands of times? The paradigm has shifted. Now it appears CRU is the one looking for “big oil” money. See the email:
See the entire email here:
http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=171&filename=962818260.txt
There’s more.
But wait that’s not all!
Further down in that email, look at who else they were looking to for money. Oh, this is horrible, it just can’t be, they wouldn’t. They were looking to not only BP but, but EXXON in its Esso incarnation:
See the entire email here:
http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=156&filename=947541692.txt
Now who is the shill for Big Oil again? Next time somebody brings up that ridiculous argument about skeptics, show them this.
h/t and thanks to WUWT reader “boballab”
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“interviewers were clearly uninformed/biased – in that they only mentioned the emails, when the real meat is in the programmers’ code and notes.”
Correct – but the BBC talking heads are terminally ignorant and self satisfied in their approach to ALL interviews no matter what the content. We can guarantee they are ill informed – which would be fine except they think they are so clever.
Sorry if I sound like a UEA scientist.
PS
Gosh – I thought ‘I’ was quick re[porting the ‘asshole’ comment !!
needless to say there was only one asshole on Newsnight tonight.
Major integrated oil companies have long been supporters of the ‘environmental movement’.
Chevron, Exxon, Shell, BP, etc. fund these groups which clamor (and sue) for tighter ‘environmental’ restrictions, with the intent of raising the barrier to market entry. This keeps out any possible smaller competitors and protects their monopoly.
I thought people would have caught on to this scam by now.
The environmentalists have blamed “Big Oil” for almost everything that has happened in the world ( at least everything they hate ) for the last forty years . They have passed that hatred down to the next generation of eco types who have become even more radical in their beliefs . In the process , the petroleum industry has gone from being the scapegoat for the environmentalist’s failures to the Satan of the new dogma . It would never occur to these people to examine their own hypocrisy .
There’s even a MS error routine for it. The MMGW BSOD. (scroll down a little)
http://borepatch.blogspot.com/2009/11/what-happens-when-you-run-climate.html
(mods, feel free to snip the following, contains potentially offensive language)
And more on googlegate
http://grumpyoldtwat.blogspot.com/2009/12/googlegate.html
vukcevic (14:28:32) :
HadCRUT being abandoned by the Met Office this quickly is surprising. Perhaps some sense of professional pride still exists there. To blame it on public confidence is a slight of hand…
Another politician frantically ties himself to a sinking ship. From:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6729833/Gordon-Brown-climate-change-sceptics-are-flat-earthers.html
“Mr Brown last night insisted that the science on climate change in settled, and accused those who question the consensus of being outdated.”
He said: “With only days to go before Copenhagen we mustn’t be distracted by the behind-the-times, anti-science, flat-earth climate sceptics. We know the science. We know what we must do.” ”
For those in other countries Mr Brown is Gordon Brown the British Prime Minister who single handedly saved the world last year at the time of the Banking crisis.
I know many politicians are rogues. The trouble with the present lot is that they seem to be very stupid rogues. Blair and Clinton were pretty slick and slippery but I never got the impression that either was a half-wit.
I don’t know who I will vote for next year but I know who I won’t vote for.
I think this tells us what will happen to the Downing Street petition.
It turns out that Obama is paying Mann as part of the stimulus:
http://online.worldmag.com/2009/12/04/stimulating-climategate/
Also undermining AGW as “settled” here’s a $15 million dollar grant for cloud modelling:
“The goal of MMAP is to break the ‘deadlock’ that has stalled the progress of climate research for several decades. Climate models are physically based and include representations of the atmosphere, the ocean, the land-surface, and the cryosphere. They run on the most powerful computers available. They are now providing predictions of future climate change due to anthropogenic changes in the composition of the Earth’s atmosphere. These predictions are being used as input to policy decisions that have enormous economic implications for the U.S. and the world. It has been true for decades now that our inability to simulate the interactions of clouds with large-scale atmospheric circulations is one of the most important limitations on the reliability of climate-change simulations…The legacy of MMAP will include important new modeling tools that will provide substantially more reliable predictions of anthropogenic climate change.”
http://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward.do?AwardNumber=0425247
Looks like “Hockey Stick” Mann also got money for reconstructions (the grant is still active):
“The rationale behind the research is that quantitative comparison of reconstructions and simulations of climate over the past two millennia can provide an assessment of the extent to which natural and anthropogenic forcing can explain observed patterns of climatic change.”
http://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward.do?AwardNumber=0542356
Phil A (15:14:55) “So why wouldn’t the oil companies now want to push the AGW agenda?”
And so, slowly, lights started coming on.
People started realizing: 2+2=4
… just a little too late to stop the capitalist schemes that are well-underway. [ :
Staggering to see how many lefties whole-heartedly & naively bought into what has been a right-wing ploy all along.
i.e. watch the spin change the narrative now…
I thought this thread was as likely a place as any for this post. It looks like George Soros is also looking to get on the “Big Oil” payola:
Hedge Funds Bet High Oil, Snap Up Suncor
By Scott Haggett
(Reuters) – Some of the largest hedge funds are betting heavily that high oil prices are here to stay as they have added to stakes in Suncor Energy Inc., one of the large-cap energy stocks most sensitive to the price of oil.
Among those increasing their stakes in the third quarter were George Soros’ Soros Fund Management LLC, which snapped up an additional two million shares, and Richard Chilton’s Chilton Investment Co., which added 42,000 shares, according to data compiled by Thomson Reuters.
Suncor, fresh off its $22.5 billion friendly acquisition of Petro-Canada, is one of the largest owners of oilsands in the world — as much as 22 billion bbls’ worth, or almost three billion bbls more than the entire proven oil reserves of the United States.
But because oil in the Canadian sands is among the most difficult and expensive to extract, Suncor’s value can seesaw dramatically as the price of oil rises and falls. Back in May 2008, as oil was hitting $120 a bbl, Suncor’s stock topped $70 only to tumble below $20 six months later when the price of oil collapsed. The stock has since climbed back to $37.
“Suncor is viewed as among the companies best-levered to oil prices,” said Chris Feltin, an analyst at Macquarie Securities Canada. “It provides the highest leverage to increasing or decreasing oil prices.”
That leverage has attracted plenty of buyers to Canada’s largest energy producer. Suncor was the most popular new purchase in the third quarter among the largest equity hedge funds, according to data compiled by Thomson Reuters.
Along with Soros and Chilton, Diamondback Capital Management LLC and other funds also boosted their Suncor stakes over the quarter, with Diamondback adding 386,000 shares. Representatives of those funds declined comment or could not be reached.
“By its sheer size, it attracts a lot of attention,” said William Lacey, an analyst at FirstEnergy Capital. “But it also has its focus and its go-forward growth plan within the oilsands business.”
Buying Petro-Canada, a once state-owned oil company whose shares had suffered as it expanded globally and repeatedly failed to meet profit forecasts, brought Suncor two new Canadian refineries, the second-largest chain of retail gas stations and new oil and natural gas production in Canada, the United States, the North Sea and elsewhere.
But the driver behind the deal was the heft the expanded company brought to the oilsands of northern Alberta. After completing planned asset sales of $2 billion to $4 billion, 65% of Suncor’s production will come from oilsands, up from 50% now, Chief Executive Rick George said last month.
Canada’s oilsands have the largest oil reserve outside the Middle East but exploiting the resource is expensive and technically challenging.
The multibillion-dollar oilsands projects have been buffeted by severe inflation, with costs rising 50% or more from their original budgets, as producers competed for scarce materials and skilled labor.
The rampant inflation and technical challenges make the oilsands one of the most expensive sources of oil. More than $100 billion worth of projects planned for the region were canceled, delayed or deferred after oil prices plunged last year because of the recession.
But Suncor’s new size brings economies of scale. The company estimates that buying Petro-Canada shaved $400 million in combined operating costs and saved $1 billion in capital expenditures, along with giving the market power to command lower costs from suppliers.
The company, which expects to produce 300,000 bbls of oil per day from its oilsands operations, said in November it aims to boost production by as much as 12% per year through 2020 and make a 15% profit from its operations with oil prices at $70 per bbl.
© Reuters 2009.
This is the link to the original Reuters article:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5B24ZV20091203
D. King (14:32:30) :
Lots of new words can be invented from this…
Here is a new one;
Climatlantis: a place that exists only in imagination; a place said to exist in fictional or religious writings.
On Youtube I searched “Solar Minimum” and my video came up at the top of the list. If you want to have your video at top of the list, make a video with Solar Minimum in the title.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=solar+minimum&search_type=&aq=f
The shakedown. Pay us a
littlelot of money and we won’t make a stink. Another of the pecuniary benefits of crying wolf.could someone please rebut this article in New Scientist yesterday
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18238-why-theres-no-sign-of-a-climate-conspiracy-in-hacked-emails.html?full=true
They buy their whitewash by the barrel
Anybody know anything about this new hack? True or not:
http://www.desmogblog.com/breaking-impersonators-attempt-access-canadian-government-centre-fo-climate-modeling-and-analysis
A WUWT Solar Minimum Youtube video contest explaining the current solar minimum and its connection to climate would be pretty cool.
The banality of evil is the best camouflage of all.
I would be willing to donate $50 toward in a Chipin or tip jar to pay Solar Minimum video contest winners.
illya (16:31:57) :
That story has all of the regular poo!
News flash! Somebody tried to infiltrate a building posing as someone legit and steal wallets! er, DATA, yeah, yeah, they tried to steal data, that was it. No reputable or confirmed sources, mind you. Just inuendo, including BIG OIL!
This is just chilling. From the Times article: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6945445.ece
“The Government is attempting to stop the Met Office from carrying out the re-examination, arguing that it would be seized upon by climate change sceptics.”
The Times should be pressed for their source on this claim, and if validated, then this should be top news. Unbeliveable.
Exxon-Led Group Is Giving a Climate Grant to Stanford
by Andrew Revkin
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1121-04.htm
Big Oil has been a supporter of the pro-global warming crowd for a long time.
Google your favorite research university and Exxon has probably donated money to it for “climate change” research.
Greg S (11:46:29) :
A partial list of CRU financial backers.
British Petroleum,
Eastern Electricity,
Greenpeace International,
Leverhulme Trust,
National Power,
Nuclear Installations Inspectorate,
Shell,
Sultanate of Oman,
World Wildlife Fund for Nature (WWF)
Interesting!
Then checkout WHO funds WWF
Goldman Environmental Foundation, Ford Foundation, and the Rockefeller foundations(4)
And Greenpeace
the Rockefeller foundations(4) Among others
It is fun to browse through the foundations (click at the top) at activist cash to see who is in the pay of whom. http://activistcash.com/foundation.cfm/did/103
How about just maybe finally, an economical way to produce hydrogen?
http://discovermagazine.com/2009/jan/021
JEM (11:58:11) :
…Want to get people’s attention? Start by banning carbonated soft drinks. More health benefit than a world of cap-and-trade laws.
What a brilliant Idea. Maybe we should campaign to get those soft drinks banned INSTEAD of cap and trade. At least it directly addresses the supposed problem and does not hurt people….
Let us see Barbara Boxer et al try and wiggle out of that one.
Gordon Brown is not a half-wit – he is probably smarter than Blair was, and better-informed – it’s just that he’s terminally unluckly, at least as leader (he had a good run of luck as Chancellor of the Exchequer, but now even that’s blown up in his face as the financial meltdown is seen as having been conceived while on his financial watch).
His nailing his colours so firmly to the good ship Man-Made-Global-Warming will surely hole it beneath the water line (“No Gordon, that’s not the sea rising, it’s the ship sinking!).