Guest post by John A
The usual armwaving denial that we should not trust our own lying eyes was delivered by a Harvard Professor in the Boston Globe:
James McCarthy, a respected Harvard professor who was a former Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change lead author, sent a letter to Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) today stressing that e-mails stolen from climate scientists do not undermine the evidenc[e] for manmade global warming.
McCarthy is board chair of both the American Association for the Advancement of Science and the Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS).
The letter reads “The scientific process depends on open access to methodology, data, and a rigorous peer-review process. The robust exchange of ideas in the peer-reviewed literature regarding climate science is evidence of the high degree of integrity in this process. The body of evidence that human activity is prominent agent in global warming is overwhelming. The content of these a few personal emails has no impact what-so-ever on our overall understanding that human activity is driving dangerous levels of global warming.”
In the words of Frank Drebin: “Nothing to see here, move along!”

And then comes this response (comment 13) to which I’ve added a few paragraph breaks and one piece of emphasis:
I am a climate scientist, and it is clear that the evidence that “human activity is prominent [sic] agent in global warming” is NOT overwhelming. The repeated statement that it is does not make it so. Further, even if we accepted the hypothesis, cap-and-trade legislation does not do anything about it.
Here are the facts. We have known for years that the Mann hockey stick model was wrong, and we know why it was wrong (Mann used only selected data to normalize the principal component analysis, not all of it). He retracted the model. We have known for years that the Medieval Warm period occurred, where the temperatures were higher than they are now (Chaucer spoke of vineyards in northern England).
Long before ClimateGate it was known that the IPCC people were trying to fudge the data to get rid of the MWP. And for good reason. If the MWP is “allowed” to exist, this means that temperatures higher than today did not then create a “runaway greenhouse” in the Middle Ages with methane released from the Arctic tundra, ice cap albedo lost, sea levels rising to flood London, etc. etc.), and means that Jim Hansen’s runaway greenhouse that posits only amplifying feedbacks (and no damping feedbacks) will not happen now. We now know that the models on which the IPCC alarms are based to not do clouds, they do not do the biosphere, they do not explain the Pliocene warming, and they have never predicted anything, ever, correctly.
As the believers know but, like religious faithful, every wrong prediction (IPCC underestimated some trends) is claimed to justify even greater alarm (not that the models are poor approximations for reality); the underpredictions (where are the storms? Why “hide the decline”?) are ignored or hidden.
As for CO2, we have known for years that CO2 increases have never in the past 300,000 years caused temperature rise (CO2 rise trails temperature increase). IPCC scientists know this too (see their “Copenhagen Diagnosis”); we know that their mathematical fudges that dismiss the fact that CO2 has not been historically causative of temperature rise are incorrect as well. We have also known for years that the alleged one degree temperature rise from 1880 vanishes if sites exposed to urban heat islands are not considered.
We have long known that Jones’s paper dismissing this explanation (Jones, et al. 1990. Assessment of urbanization effects in time series of surface air temperature over land, Nature 347 169- 172) is wrong and potentially fraudulent (see the same data used to confirm urban heat islands in Wang, W-C, Z. Zeng, T. R Karl, 1990. Urban Heat Islands in China. Geophys. Res. Lett. 17, 2377-2380). Everyone except Briffa knows that the Briffa conclusions are wrong, and why they are wrong; groups in Finland, Canada (lots of places actually) show cooling by this proxy, not warming; the IPCC even printed the Finn’s plot upside down to convert the fact (cooling) into the dogma (warming).
Prof. McCarthy is, of course, part of the IPCC that has suppressed dissenting viewpoints based on solid climate science. His claim to support by “peer review” is nonsense; he has helped corrupt the peer review process. We now have documentary evidence that Jones, Mann, and the other IPCC scientists have been gaming peer review and blackballing opponents. On this point, the entire IPCC staff, including Prof. McCarthy, neither have nor deserve our trust.
We have tolerated years of the refusal of Mann and Jones to release data. Now, we learn that much of these data were discarded (one of about 4 data sets that exist), something that would in any other field of science lead to disbarment. We have been annoyed by Al Gore, who declared this science “settled”, refused to debate, and demonized skeptics (this is anti-science: debate and skepticism are the core of real science, which is never settled). The very fact that Prof. McCarthy attempts to bluff Congress by asserting the existence of fictional “overwhelming evidence” continues this anti-science activity.
All of this was known before Climategate. What was not known until now was the extent to which Jones and Mann were simply deceiving themselves (which happens often in science) or fraudently attempting to deceive others. I am not willing to crucify Jones on the word “trick”. Nor, for that matter, on the loss of primary data, keeping only “value added” data (which is hopelessly bad science, but still conceivably not fraud).
But the computer code is transparently fraudulent. Here, one finds matrices that add unexplained numbers to recent temperatures and subtract them from older temperatures (these numbers are hard-programmed in), splining observational data to model data, and other smoking guns, all showing that they were doing what was necessary to get the answers that the IPCC wanted, not the answers that the data held. They knew what they were doing, and why they were doing it.
If, as Prof. McCarthy insists, “peer review” was functioning, and the IPCC reports are rigorously peer reviewed, why was this not caught? When placing it in context made it highly likely that this type of fraud was occurring?
The second question is: Will this revelation be enough to cause the “global warming believers” to abandon their crusade, and for people to return to sensible environmental science (water use, habitat destruction, land use, this kind of thing)? Perhaps it will.
Contrary to Prof. McCarthy’s assertion, we have not lost just one research project amid dozens of others that survive. A huge set of primary data are apparently gone. Satellite data are scarcely 40 years old. Everything is interconnected, and anchored on these few studies. Even without the corruption of the peer review process, this is as big a change as quantum mechanics was in physics a century ago.
But now we know that peer review was corrupted, and that no “consensus” exists. The “2500 scientists agree” number is fiction (God knows who they are counting, but to get to this number, they must be including referees, spouses, and pets).
The best argument now for AGW is to argue that CO2 is, after all, a greenhouse gas, its concentration is, after all, increasing, and feedbacks that regulated climate for millions of years might (we can hypothesize) be overwhelmed by human CO2 emissions. It is a hypothesis worthy of investigation, but it has little evidentiary support.
Thus, there is hope that Climategate will bring to an end the field of political climatology, and allow climatology to again become a science. That said, people intrinsically become committed to ideas. The Pope will not become a Protestant even if angel Gabriel taps him on the shoulder and asks him to. Likewise, Prof. McCarthy may claim until the day he retires that there remains “overwhelming support” for his position, even if every last piece of data supporting it is controverted. As a graduate student at Harvard, I was told that fields do not advance because people change their minds; rather, fields advance because people die.
Posted by Sean December 2, 09 11:26 PM
Wowza! I can only hope that more people in the climate field stick their heads above the parapet and tell it like it is.
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“Clearly there is some warming of the earth’s surface. How much is the question (as well as when and where) along with how big the error bars really are – e.g. Pielke’s work on night-time temperature measurements affected by wind speed.
“-Maybe these are minor points (and maybe I’m wrong?) for an interesting post – but in the politicization of climate science, overstating a case can simply re-affirm the other side that their points of view are correct”
Right–let’s keep our cool.
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Here’s a direct link to the Perseus-statue image. (The previous link took you to a redirect page):
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:PerseusSignoriaStatue.jpg
Greenhouse gas observatories locations, another chapter adding to ClimateGate?
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/greenhouse_gas_observatories_d.html
Lucy:
“I’ve captured BOTH posts here, headed up by Pallas Athene, the Statue of Liberty and Lady Justice who presides over The Old Bailey (London seat of justice).”
Maybe you could fit in that Perseus statue too? (Its message: Victory Over Horseshit.) Here’s the link again:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:PerseusSignoriaStatue.jpg
AGW Not Stopped yet!
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/12/agw_not_stopped_yet.html
Lucy: There’s a typo in the last sentence of the 3rd para. of comment #13 posted on your site. (I made note of it here with a boldfaced “Mod:” but it persists.) The first “to” in the sentence should be a “do.”
Read this, a Dane with clothes! Incredible.
http://politiken.dk/newsinenglish/article851820.ece
Rep. Issa: Obama’s refusal to investigate ‘Climategate’ emails is ‘unconscionable’
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/70653-rep-issa-white-house-refusal-to-investigate-climategate-is-unconscionable-
Day fourteen and counting!
http://mrc.org/press/releases/2009/20091204124643.aspx
Anthony:
“If all scientists did this [spoke out against the CRUde practices at EAU], it would restore faith in the scientific process and in scientists themselves. By keeping silent, they are doing far more long-term damage to their reputations [and science’s] than the short-term damage that would come from speaking up.”
Beautiful. Here’s what Voltaire said:
“Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do.”
Agenda 21 is designed to destroy America’s middle-class, ruin America’s economy, steal America’s sovereignty, and abolish America’s freedom.
How Much Longer Before Climategate Explodes?
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/17535
Climategate: Who, What, When, Where
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/17568
Right in line with what George Bernard Shaw observed:
Ron de Haan (19:11:32) :
Pot meet kettle…”
Those with ambitions for a Global Power Grab use the environmentalists to the dirty work.
It’s right that pulls the strings and their World Governance Doctrine is fascist, not Marxist.
They are liars remember so they masquerade as marxists when they are actually an unholy alliance of Corporations and government sometimes called Corporatism, sometimes Fascism. They intentionally set up the socialism vs Capitalism conflict when they are actually working towards something entirely different Corporatism on its way to a totalitarian world government run by the elite. But they use political activists to further their cause through UN NGOs. Check how the Fords, Goldmans and Rockefellers fund Greenpeace and WWF
In regard to peat’s comments, I’m not a scientist, but I have seen the trends he has described in other intellectual fields. Any student who starts out in a field, unless he is as bright as Einstein, will be unable to question his instructors in meaningful ways. You have to know the basics and rules of any system of knowledge before you can figure out how to question it.
My concern is that it could take hundreds or thousands of years before the “climate record” shows one way or another who is right. In the meantime, the scientists who give aid and succor to the politicians who want to take control of the world march on, oblivious to the consequences of “groupthink.”
It’s time we STOPPED this Charade. Peer review is NONSENSE.
It VIOLATES the standard of JUSTICE in the UNITED STATES.
Peer review is Anonymous? Excuse me, my “ivory tower” friends. ARE YOU NUTS?
What CRAP! You can be “rejected” in your work, and have no idea who your “accusers” are.
ALSO this PEER REVIEW has become a RELIGION with NO BASIS for it.
To show you the VALUELESS NATURE OF PEER REVIEW, let’s discuss ONE, and only ONE paper… and PLEASE, all you “worship at the shrine of peer review”, just tell me, do you think this paper would have passed “peer review”.
1905, “Special Theory of Relativity”. (On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies) http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/
I’ll give you one big HINT. It has NO references!
Do you think that would have passed through the hoops of “peer review”?
Was the result “correct”? Did it have an effect on the whole of science?
Is the Pope Catholic?
One has to WONDER in this day and age, how many potential “radicals” are out there, with potential “revolutions” to science, technology, mankind, etc. Which are being held back because of “peer review”.
Frankly I think that is the beauty of the Internet. It is providing a forum, in which the “peer review” is the collective intelligence of the USERS. And more and more various thoughts, new views, new concepts will come forth. Without the benefit (or detraction) of “peer review”, and the concept will “sink or swim” on it’s ultimate validity.
Check out Stanford’s “Silicon Brain” project, if you want to find out what REAL open exchange of information is like. (And darn good science too!)
Dissecting/breaking up to better understand and pose questions …
‘Does not strictly compute’; one, in my mind, is as ‘bad’ as the other, so your point is ???
(1) Who are they?
(2) A written or unwritten alliance? Is this your interpretation of acts by ‘them’? Can your explain please?
(3) Never really heard the term ‘corporatism’ before; does the US Chamber of Commerce use this term? The legal system? Birchers (not ‘birthers’) maybe?
Who are ‘they’? (perhaps I already asked this)
Can you point to several of these ‘events’? Something done on a regular basis, not just a one-time occurrence. Some specificity please.
Whoa. Where did you see ‘the plans’ on this, or is this another ‘interpretation’ (ala Alex Jones maybe?) you came up with by … yourself or with the aid of ______________ ???
SO the connection is UN –> NGOs –> Activists
What would these NGOs be?
Who would one of these ‘activists’ be?
I’d like some specificity on these things too please;for TOO LONG there have been prognostications of these kinds of things (decades as I can recall, with certain specific events coinciding with Y2K that _never_ materialized), and TO DATE they have been vapor-ware. (I would hate to think you are wasting the valuable time of literally hundreds of readers with, well, mere dribble.)
Hmmmm … do GreenPeace and WWF have to file any sort of publicly accessible IRS filings we can confirm this?
How about the Fords, ‘Goldmans’ and Rockefellers – have you seen any of their SEC or IRS filings? Do you know where I might review them?
Is it also possible these are ‘shakedown’ payments (as was used to be paid to ‘the mob’ for protection wink wink) as perhaps mentioned upthread?
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It is easier today, too, with a variety of source control/build tools (Cleacase et al and it can be integrated into a variety of tools) and electronic doc control systems (compared with the old paper-based drawing systems) allowing simple check-in/check-out with on-line approvals by the CCB members so some of this ‘process’ can be relatively automatic today thereby taking care of itself; again, as pointed out, the suitable tool/level of control for the job.
Most of the ISO auditing I have seen is to simply verify we have a ‘process’ in place for change/version control, ECO/ECN procedures, and that we use it. Frankly, SOMETHING has to be in place just to keep things straight in the first place! A no brainer!
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Re: P.W. Minges (07:55:07) :
> “Guest post by by John A”
> “Posted by Sean December 2, 09 11:26 PM”
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> As a matter of interest, who are “John A” and “Sean”, and what are their backgrounds?
Hmm, you sound like a liberal. (I am apolitical… and a scientist)
In science, arguments are considered on their merits, regardless of the personalities who state them. If this were not the case, then the young Albert Einstein–with no pedigree–would have been quashed before speaking (or published) by his distinguished detractors of the day.
Apparently, in Climatology and the MSM, they think that if Jones, Mann, Hansen, AlGore, et cetera speak it, then it is true. If the speaker is an esteemed GW/AGW person, their arguments do not need to be examined and the data and source code do not need to be shared. If the speaker challenges one of the highly esteemed GW/AGW people, or is an unknown, then they are wrong from the start, and their arguments do not need to be considered at all.
I believe in science and the scientific method, and not in popularity contests picking which science is correct, nor do I believe that the Pope should have jailed Galileo, nor should Jones, Mann, et al, been able to remove editors from journals, nor bar research from being published.
I do not care who Sean or John are in the above referenced posts. I evaluate their arguments and statements based on the facts at hand, and the plausibility and logic of their words.
Why do you care who they are?
Newt Love (my real name)
aerospace Technical Fellow of Modeling, Simulation and Analysis
newtlove.com
Sean: “the IPCC even printed the Finn’s plot upside down to convert the fact (cooling) into the dogma (warming).” I don’t think this is right. I think it is a reference to one of the series in one of Mann’s papers (2008?) and I don’t think it was actually “printed”. It’s been discussed in detail at CA. IPCC have printed discredited hockey sticks is a better way to go IMHO.
I don’t think Sean should give his name at this stage. It wouldn’t help the argument much but I’m sure it would harm him.
It gets to me that people like the professor are listened to. He is not a climatologist or anything really connected he is a Professor of Biological Oceanography! He in his statements will take it as writ that AGW is true. All he does is examine what happens if the SST rises in respect to his field. So he has an opinion on AGW which is no better than mine. He has accepted the auhority of his priest. The same goes for Stern and Garnout (OZ clone of Stern). If these guys fall sick will they consult a geologist?
The Australian newspaper is the only one giving serious coverage on climate change, and interestingly ran this article criticising (as I have vocally in Aussie blogs for a couple weeks now) the lack of coverage in our country:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/hacked-climate-emails-ignored/story-e6frg6nf-1225807128478
I am curious exactly what it is going to take to get Toger Woods peccadilloes off the front page and some serious debate going in our media.
In the meanwhile we have to contend with garbage such as the link posted above, or spot the error i rubbish like this:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/gallery-e6frg6xf-1111120489924?page=1
Back to square one of Gore’s swimming polar bears etc… FFS the media either doesn’t know, or doesn’t care, about seperating fact from fiction anymore. Take a look at the links on The Australian newspaper site:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/politics/climate
I guess even Murdoch is sold on the AGW theme…
Thanks Sean for summarizing what many of with science backgrounds know.
Like you I prefer to not give my last name. I don’t know if it would result in problems within my field, but it can as my employer is heavily into the AGW. And just in case, since I prefer to feed my family and pay my mortgage, I keep my last name to myself.
I may at some point change my mind, but in the meantime all of you calling for outing Sean should think about Newt’s point above about truth not needing a prominent name speaking it to remain true.
“Why do you care who they are?”
Because they weigh arguments by the “authority” of the speaker. Critical thinking has nothing to do with it. They think that “reading comprehension” + “authority of the writer” = “examination of the issue.”
Roger Knights (12:03:21) :
“This is a strong feedback mechanism that seems to have passed a tipping point years ago.”
In deed, it was 35 years ago when I was having a conversation in the weather station with my supervisor, our chief forecaster, about the problem with the new meteorologists being screened in college for their ideological suitability. He was a veteran Air Weather Service (AWS) Army Air Forces meteorologist from the Second World War, professor at a Florida university, and former National Hurricane Center forecaster.. Nonetheless, he and his students were facing problemsat his university, because his scientific views were not compliant with those of activist colleagues and their sources, such as Rasool and Schneider, 1971; The National Science Board papers, and the WMO conferences with the UN World Food Conference and UNEP.
The MSM (MainStreamMedia) were preoccupied with Global Cooling stories at the time, but his colleagues were already onboard with the leadership at the WMO in an effort to promote a belief that Global Warming was instead an imminent to world food production and world hunger. Going from discussing possibilities in 1967 and stronger possibilities in 1972 and 1974, the WMO moved forward with a full warning of probable Global Warming in June 1976 with a clear suggestion that cause was likely anthropogenic. By 1979, the WMO, UNEP, and like organizations and closely associated individuals in those organizations at the First World Climate Conference were promoting a probable conclusion that AGW (Anthropogenic Global Warming) was a likely a Global Threat and urged member state to combat this threat.
For more than 50 years, there has been a concerted effort by an elite group of believers to promote AGW as a global threat. Yet, even after 50 years of discrimination and usurpation of leadership positions in the scientific and political communities, dissenting scientists and their papers have continued to spring up like dandelions in the lawn.
The Unbelievers have simply refused to bow down in prostration before the declared wisdom of consensus by the lords of AGW. All Hallowed are those who follow the path of Enlightenment revealed by the Lords of Global Salvation [with apologies to SG-1].
My son is in his senior year of high school and studying and working in the atmospheric science/meteorology field has been his dream since he was 9 years old. I fear for his career already due to his skepticism of AGW and the fallout that will most likely derail any post graduate positions if he expresses his beliefs. If anyone is aware of researchers at any Northeast US colleges that have not yet jumped on the bandwagon, please post their names and universities. This info would also be helpful in validating our position of searching for the real science in the face of political climatology.