So much is being written about Climategate and the fallout from it, it is tough to cover it all. Here I’m just going to point out a coupe of posts by Harold Ambler at Talking About The Weather that may interest WUWT readers. He’s spent a lot of time on them, give him some traffic, hit the tip jar if you feel like it.
First we have:
Phil Jones offers myriad reasons for not sharing data
The two MMs have been after the CRU station data for years. If they ever hear there is a Freedom of Information Act now in the UK, I think I’ll delete the file rather than send to anyone.
Second:
There has been a lot of interest in this here at WUWT, Ambler actually called the CEO of Google to find out what was going on.
Both are worth a read. – Anthony
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Now I know why some of the the Aussie greedy freaks wanted a carbon tax so bad.
CCS technology is just plain stupid. The biosphere loves CO2.
Global CCS Institute To Launch A$50 Million Funding Round Monday
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200912032223DOWJONESDJONLINE000759_FORTUNE5.htm
I’m going to tell Alex Jones about this CCS angle, he’ll ride the topic for all it’s worth.
The BBC main news item this morning is climategateand the IPCC to investigate. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8394483.stm
The emails and data were ‘posted’ on the internet; no mention of being hacked.
I’ve noticed that Al Gore has just backed out of a ticketed COP 15 speech , 600 dollars a head , for Berlingske tidende one of the left wing danish newspapers. This has been booked since august. did he get scared ? all those difficuilt questions, maybe he thought Bjorn was coming.
I remember the movie The Graduate (1967) and the one word piece of investment advice was Plastics. Today the word is CCS.
Seems like the algorithm was replaced with an AlGoreithm!
The piece on Jones is good.
Thoughtful piece. Thank you Harold. If the chair of the investigating committee fails to see anything unethical in Phil Jones actions we will know that the state of institutional science is
“Worse than we thought”
Al Gores money is chump change compared to this.
http://rockefeller.senate.gov/issues/energy/index.cfm
Not working now (7:45am GMT 4Dec09).
Still does not work for me this auto-suggest for climategate…
Measuring the temperature of the planet is sort of like trying to measure the lengths of a bunch of earthworms with a ruler and get an average length . . . but not without arguing a whole lot over whether the divisions of the ruler should be in inches or metric first.
Climate Gate Scandal works on Google Search Suggest. I think they are messing with it but just go ahead and do the search. You’ll find it. I wouldn’t put it past them however but that would just contribute to the cover up.
Who is the denier now? These warmers are denying their lying eyes!
I did a search for Climate Gate at the Houston Chronicle and got no results but a search for Obama got 560 and for Climate Change got 552 and for Tiger Woods got 460. This is the energy capital of the United States if not the world.
Drudge has Houston to have earliest snow ever headline.
It seem the fix is in for those using Google Australia. There is no auto-suggest for climategate. You have to type in the whole word and the hit count here is up to 29 million.
Random factoid: here in Switzerland there is a weekly, prime-time popular science program (it’s even on the most-watched television channel!). In the program last night, they had another round at global warming, with a scientist and a gigantic water bowl, showing how increasing CO2 is about to cause “overflow” and destroy the planet. Quote (translated to English): “All scientists agree”. Not a word about Climategate or any possible opposing views. Needless to say, in the course of the interview, the water bowl overflowed…
I immediately sent them a comment, asking if they would please address the other side of the debate. The last time I sent them a comment, they actually answered within a day. It will be interesting to see if they do so this time – and what their answer is…
Not autosuggesting currently.
Results 1 – 10 of about 30,300,000 for climategate. (0.08 seconds)
Result number one?
News results for climategate
Harvard professor weighs in on climategate – 1 day ago
Over 21000000 hits on google when you type in ‘climategate’ yet the Globe confines it to this green blog and 1 op-ed earlier today. Embarrassing. ps: Oh and …Boston Globe – 1357 related articles »
Senator Barbara Boxer’s new name for Climategate – Telegraph.co.uk – 48 related articles »Climategate fallout – National Post – 482 related articles »
Evil corporations our out to get us!!
This sounds like all the stories you get about Exxon funding Steve M in a huge disinformation campaign.
Googles searches as well as thier auto-fill function i assume are based on very complex proprietary algorithms. Climategate is a very new term and it does not surprise me that weird computer burbs could cause it to appear and disappear. it would also not surprise me that at first it disappeared becouse of a burp then reappeared because after Ambler wrote her email the CEO had the term hard coded into the system in order to avoid a computer burb causing a pablicity problem. But the most important thing people shoudl relize is that google’s alogrithms are as i mentions and highlighted about PROPRIETARY. Theya re going to give you the run around no matter if they intentionally hard coded it or if it is a computer burb…..they do not want the general public knowing how their code works simply because they have spent millions of dollars and years developing it.
Everything Ambler found looks exactly like how a company should look if they are trying to protect how their systems work from out side competing eyes.
You know if you just stand back and think for a minute about Global Warming is going to flood the world. Lets look at Midway Island as see if it’s going underwater. If the hockey stick temperature graph and the claims of melting ice caps were true wouldn’t you see something different then this? And this information is readily available from (are you sitting down) NOAA and other sources.
http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?stnid=1619910
It’s amazing how gullible and lazy the public has become in not investigating this on their own and keeping an open mind.
Michael
“Now I know why some of the the Aussie greedy freaks wanted a carbon tax so bad.”
I’m an Aussie engineer… I don’t want a carbon tax…. most people here don’t even understand what it is.
Not believing 100% in “Dangerous Climate Change” is a thought crime in Australia. K.Rudd the Prime Minister made a speech to the Lowie Institute that was one step short of inciting violence against “Extremist Deniers” read reasonable, sceptical scientists.
We have a whole new generation of educated idiots that are now in middle management positions. They don’t have science or engineering degrees, they’ve got masters in sustainability, bachelors of environment. They don’t even understand basic chemistry. They are simply incapable of critical thinking.
I’ve been threaten with violence by AGW nuts for simply asking questions.
Our country is run by school teachers and union thugs. Now the kids are taught that Carbon Dioxide is a pollutant and that their parents are evil and are destroying their future.
A major metro newspaper in Melbourne Victoria has not even mentioned Climategate. It claims to be a paper of record. The ABC (Aussie BBC) refuses to run the story because it says it is just “fodder” for the deniers.
It is truly Orwellian.
We are in the ridiculous situation where the main politician (Tony Abbot, leader of the opposition) who is a defender of open scientfic debate is a card carrying member of Opus Dei.
But you are right. There is clearly a bunch of greedy bastards who think they are going to get rich and powerful from this. The former leader of the opposition was one of them (Malcolm Turnbull).
BBc starting to finally wake up on this.
Newsnight on bbc2 did a piece that was around 10 minutes long and at least made some good points, especially on the HARRY code with a programmer making comparisons to some of nasa’s stuff.
The cru code was basically condemned.
A question i wanted to ask.
If the models are so good, and they have total confidence in them, would they stake their or their childrens lives on it if the shuttle computers were programmed in such a manner?
I doubt it!
The BBC’s flagship Today programme on Radio 4 led for the first time with Climategate (UN to investigate, Saudi scepticism abt Copenhagen). The tone was still one of damage limitation, but to my mind it’s a sign that the dam has broken. They’ve never even mentioned it before but their report nonchalantly assumed that we all knew what they were talking about.
Googlegate is an interesting discovery. I discovered today that the Google pagerank for my blog went down, despite the fact that I’m receiving 20x more visitors, and that links to my blog have increased exponentially.
Makes me wonder…
Ecotretas
google.com 1 december 00:29 european time
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/3928/112200902902.png
107.000.000
Re the autosuggest issue – it isn’t necessarily “suspicious” – I’ve just done a lot of work with the SOLR search engine (don’t know if Google uses this, but the principles behind its search algorithm are likely ), and have posted the below over at the “Talking about the weather” blog –
While I don’t know anything about the autosuggest algorithm that Google is using, I do know that autosuggest algorithms can produce results that just don’t seem to “gel” with logic. Take, for example, the Lucene/SOLR search engines. Their default relevance algorithm is based on not just the frequency of occurrence, but also the length (e.g. shorter words which occur more frequently are deemed to be less relevant), words which occur frequently across different documents are ranked lower (may help to explain the apparent dropping of “climategate” from Google’s autosuggest. Word stems can also be factored into the algorithm, e.g “climategate’s” stems include “climate”, “climateg” etc (stems don’t have to be actual words). Depending on how the relevance algorithm is tweaked, this may result in words such as “climategate” being indexed as “climate”. One of the effects of such algorithms is that the more common a word is, the less likely it is to be considered relevant.
Harpo,
no they they don’t.
Howard and Costello tried for Joe Hockey to snook it. Missed big time.
It was a fit up a long time in the making.
I can’t get google to auto suggest “climategate” today.
Carlo>> 107,000,000 hits?? Here in Sweden we get a measly 26,000,000!