I don’ t know what sort of world NYT reporters live in, but I am now convinced that some like Paul Krugman have no clue about the real world people live in elsewhere.
‘This Week” with George Stephanopoulos debates ClimateGate – more here
Noel Sheppard over at Newsbusters provides some video and transcript of a debate between Paul Krugman of the NYT and Washington Post columnist George Will.
When I read what Paul Krugman said, I laughed out loud. He’s truly clueless.
Here’s the context:
WILL: Speaking of the marketplace, the biggest industry in the world right now may be fighting climate change. There are billions, trillions of dollars on the table, and when you say, well, they are academics and they are scientists and they talk in funny ways — academics are human beings, and the enormous incentive to get on the bandwagon on global warming, the financial incentive, the market driving this, is huge.
KRUGMAN: There is tremendously more money in being a skeptic than there is in being a supporter.
WILL: Hardly.
KRUGMAN: It’s so much easier, come on. You got the energy industry’s behind it. There are 20 times as many believers as there are skeptics in the scientific community. They get almost equal time in the media.
(CROSSTALK)
WILL: Is there a larger venture capital firm in this country than the Energy Department of this government, which right now is sending out billions and billions of dollars in speculation on green energy?
Noel Sheppard writes:
Skeptics get almost equal time in the media? Yeah, that’s why this appears to be the first time ABC addressed this ClimateGate issue.
As for there being more money in being a skeptic than there is in supporting this myth, the facts say otherwise.
The Science and Public Policy Institute issued a report on the money involved in funding the global warming debate in August concluding, “Over the last two decades, US taxpayers have subsidized the American climate change industry to the tune of $79 billion.”
By contrast, the same study found that the media bogeyman “Exxon Mobil gave a mere $23 million, spread over ten years, to climate sceptics.”
See the video and transcript at Newsbusters
UPDATE: Professor Don Easterbrook left this comment on the ABC news site:
I’ve spent 4 decades studying global climate change and as a scientist I am appalled at Krugman’s cavalier shrugging off the Hadley email scandal as ‘just the way scientists talk among themselves.’ That’s like saying it’s alright for politicians to be corrupt because that’s the way they are. Legitimate scientists do not doctor data, delete data they don’t like, hide data they don’t want seen, hijack the peer review process, personally attack other scientists whose views differ from theirs, send fraudulent data to the IPCC that is used to perpetuate the greatest hoax in the history science, provide false data to further legislation on climate change that will result in huge profits for corrupt lobbyists and politicians, and tell outright lies about scientific data.
Posted by: Don Easterbrook | Nov 29, 2009 1:57:05 PM
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Krugman ain’t clueless, he’s spinning for the Left like a good Leftist myrmidon does. When you’re busted and faced with the facts, lie, lie, lie.
Simple.
I think they’re all on coke. Apparently it’s the norm for young NY lawyers, stock traders in London, and at all big shot parties in DC. That’s where all the weird thinking must come from, the disconnect from reality.
Krugman is an economist by education and works in the lunatic fringe of his industry. Algore is a lunatic fringe lawyer. Neither make a salary doing what their education was.
My opinion of Krugman is that he fudged numbers like Mann and sees no problem with cheating.
So, if Exxon-Moblie doesn’t send me a check, Krugman is going to cover it?
Oh, I forgot to tell you, my life’s ambition is to set up a hot dog stand on Mars.
pat (16:40:18) :
“Having a degree in economics, I will assure everyone here that Krugman has left his senses ages ago. He deals in a make believe world”
Having a degree in economics and in psychology and also in accounting, you are spot on. You have to be neurotic to accept an Obama czar position and have a trail of financial cheating.
In case you haven’t tripped over this one yet:
Q: How many climate scientists does it take to change a light bulb?
A: None. There’s a consensus that it’s going to change, so they’ve decided to keep us in the dark.
Q: How many climate scientists does it take to change a light bulb?
A: None. There’s a consensus that it’s going to change, so they’ve decided to keep us in the dark.
Wooo Hoooo…. My big fat Skeptics cheque just came in the mail! !
…. Damn. Sorry. False alarm. It’s just a Readers digest promotion that looked like a cheque.
… ah well. Maybe tomorrow then?
Does he (Paul Krugman) realize how stupid he is???
Nah….he is just DUMB.
But to spin it into a left/right thing as is being done here…that is not necessary.
Remember all you right-wingers. You NEED the lefties to band together against a common enemy. (I remember Pamela Gray’s comments from another thread…and she is CORRECT)
Stop…..please STOP turning into a left/right thing.
It ain’t.
Its about truth.
As a “libertarian” who is neither comfortable in the world of right or left…please DROP the labels.
Science and truth will win.
You just have to let the BS expose itself for what it is, as Krugman has automatically telegraphed his OWN pitiful stupid existence.
Yes…he IS clueless. He is STUPID.
That is why the world is falling apart, because the world stage has been HIJACKED by STUPID people.
But it is not a right/left thing as much as it is a smart/stupid.
It just so happens that Gore’s stupidity leans left. But there are plenty of others….that lean the other way.
Stop….STOP being simplistic in your analysis here.
We have a common enemy… and that is the stupidity, the sham-science of the cult religion of AGW…of note who BOTH Obama and McCain subscribe to.
Every other species, thanks to natural selection, marginalizes the weaker individuals and their theories.
Home Sapiens are the only group that rewards weakness, and propagates mediocrity.
That must END.
Down with the stupid people. And AGW.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
Correction: Homo Sapiens
“I think we need to stop considering the NYT as a legitimate source of news”
I reached that conclusion 30 years ago.
Students of History may remember Walter Duranty (Soviet Union is a worker’s paradise) and Herbert Matthews (The Man Who Invented Castro) and realize that the NYTimes has been a leftist propaganda organ for longer than any of us remember.
I still read it every day. You must study the enemy and learn how he thinks, if you call spouting the latest talking points from the DNC, as thinking.
artwest (18:09:18) :
Here’s another insightful quote:
“…I do believe in engineering and medicine, quite fervently. Just like I also (point alert) believe in man-made global warming. Why? Here’s why: it’s because I don’t know anything about it at all.”
I had to ask a Dr of Medicine today if there was anything measurable by lab tests equivalent to the 350ppm-388ppm (that’s parts per MILLION) ratio spouted by Hansen today, that would be ok at 350ppm and deadly at 388ppm. He certainly couldn’t think of anything.
I mean, REALLY, do these climate science fiction authors realize how small that increment is?
If I have a million in investments, $38. is a completely insignificant loss or gain in a day trade. Ten times that is insignificant. A hundred times that is insignificant. How can 38 ppm , EXACTLY, make any difference at all? No way is our massive atmosphere that sensitive. Remember all that algae in China right before the Olympic sailing?
Gimme an engineer any day. I make stuff and it has to work. It sometimes takes a year to figure it out. But it works, I can prove it now and I can prove it later. If it breaks I can fix it.
Now tell me how we can tax our children in perpetuity for something that probably isn’t a problem, much less a crisis, that efforts we make we can’t even prove work? And no tax has ever been repealed, has it? Ever?
Late to the conversation, but I wanted to add that David Mastio at RealClearPolitics wrote back in April, ’06 about how the MSM was already in the tank for the global warming side of the debate. Here’s a taste:
” U.S. media companies, including Time Warner, donate more to the environmental movement than any other industry. Companies like The New York Times, Gannett, Tribune, ABC, CBS and NBC have donated more than a half-billion worth of ad space since the 1990s to raise money for some of the nation’s most extreme environmental groups. And yes, that was billion with a B.
To put that number in perspective, America’s media companies donate more to environmental groups every year than the much-feared Olin Foundation’s spent annually in its effort to build the institutional foundation of the conservative movement. ”
Read the whole thing. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/04/the_media_and_reporting_on_the.html
Son of a Pig and a Monkey (18:57:29) :
Thanks: My hopes rest with what the US will do. I expect in Canada we will see little action as long as we have a minority government. Your words are reassuring and I have pop corn at the ready!
Spenc
I believe the left is making a huge tactical error. Clearly, Klugman is spinning for all he is worth. However, if Obama goes to Copenhagen and the rest of the dems continue to spout the AGW line, they are in deep trouble. As most of us here already know, this is a real scandal. Over time this will become obvious to the majority of voters (especially independents like me). If the Republican party were to take a hard stand digging into the scandal the dems would come out looking like idiots or worse, attempting to cover up the scandal. That could cost them dearly in the next election and probably make Obama a one term president. That doesn’t look like a very good strategy to me. Someone must be giving the party strategists some horrible information.
To Spenc BC
A friend sent me a note this evening that CBC TV is going to show the Gore movie again this week…….
They are obviously in Lalalalalalala country!
IanM in New Brunswick
Son of a Pig and a Monkey
I just copied your handle. I feel like I am insulting you by addressing you as such but you asked for it.
Thank You! Your words are reassuring and I do look forward to watching this all unfold, popcorn in hand. I just want to make sure this keeps going and that my Canadian friends are brought on board. The Lord Monkton news sounds promising.
Ian
The CBC is in constant propaganda mode these days. Where will they be when the S#it hits the fan and they realize they have been supporting a farce! They’ll be the Royal Canadian Air Farce themselves. Sorry for the inside joke!
BBC Irony at it’s best!!!
“Climategate – which, among mainstream media, we reported first here on the BBC News website – has also surfaced as an important ingredient of the political debate in Australia, where the government is desperate to pass cap-and-trade legislation through the Senate before the Copenhagen conference begins.”
can read it from the link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/
That quote by Krugman goes to show that just because you having a PhD doesn’t mean you are smart or honest. That has got to be either one of the stupidest things or one of the biggest lies I’ve ever heard. Unbelievable.
Anyone who takes Krugman seriously on anything, especially economics or climate, is someone with very poor judgment.
Paul Krugman, “And as I watched the deniers make their arguments, I couldn’t help thinking that I was watching a form of treason — treason against the planet.”
Now if he could only find a way to have them prosecuted.
And the jury coud be selected the same way as peer reviewers have been.
And where exactly does a lot of government money come from in many of the developed countries?
Tax on fossil fuel, the oil companies and so on!
Moreover, if these warmist twirps could think it through, the energy companies have a superb incentive to want warmist stuff.
Why?
They are like the many other businesses which are essentially bad shopkeepers. Those do not want to actually supply anything, means they have to do work but they want money anyway, so high prices for supplying very little suites them fine.
I have posted many times about this type of BS (and I do not mean bad science). This does not even qualify as stupid. Spinning harder than a figure skater, …..
Wow, treason. Isn’t treason where one betrays one’s own country to the interests of another?
And since there is no world government to betray, the shoe is on the other foot.
Nah, just a case of the pot calling the kettle black, in a politically correct way.