Many here in the USA got their first inkling of the extraordinary events going on in Australia with the vote that was supposed to happen in parliament on Friday over “ETS” or Emissions Trading Scheme, with this WUWT post:
Ripples of Climategate? Liberal MP’s desert Turnbull in Australia over emissions trading scheme
On Friday, 12 Liberal members of parliament resigned their frontbench positions rather than be forced into a party line vote for ETS. That is quite a statement. The MP’s are hearing from their constituents in large numbers. From ABC news in Australia, this snippet:
“The phone lines have been in meltdown with people saying that the Liberal Party would not be doing its job as an Opposition simply to pass this thing without the scrutiny that people calling my office think it demands,” he [MP Tony Abbott] said.
Here’s a YouTube video being circulated in Australia:
When I ran my story Ripples of Climategate? on Thursday, I suggested that Climategate was being heard by the people of Australia, but I got a number of comments from people in Australia who posted on WUWT saying that they aren’t hearing about it in the mainstream media there.
Andrew Bolt, columnist and blogger for the Herald Sun, answered my query today on what is happening with ETS as it relates to “Climategate”:
From: Bolt, Andrew
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 5:07 PM
To: Anthony Watts – mobile
Subject: RE: Climategate in Australia
Several MPs have indeed mentioned the emails in their party room speeches, and your correspondents miss the way MPs actually pick up things.
Yes, it’s true that the emails have not yet had quite the coverage they deserve. That said, my column appears in the biggest selling paper. My blog is the biggest political one in the country, and I suspect is read or at least occasionally checked by most Liberal MPs.
I’ve talked about Climategate on radio stations in four states, including the highest-rating AM shows in Sydney and Melbourne. Some talkback shows have flogged the issue, particularly in Brisbane and Sydney. Readers of the blog and other sources, or listeners to Sydney talkback in particular, have bombarded their MPs with emails mentioning it. I’ve debated it on the ABC (your BBC) on its flagship late-night political show, watched by many politicians. And still that doesn’t cover it all.
Many MPs have been scared to challenge a “consensus”, fearing they may not just be outgunned but simply wrong. The emails give some extra confidence. I doubt more than a handful at best would not know of them, and no sceptic would not be emboldened by them.
In all this, however, many other factors are at play, including an assessment of the merits of the emissions trading bill, the wisdom of passing it now, the terrible leadership of Malcolm Turnbull and more.
Andrew Bolt
It would seem, the people and their representatives are bypassing the MSM in favor of the Internet and Talk Radio.
The ETS vote has been delayed until Monday, and there may well be a leadership “spill” before the vote. If ETS fails in Australia, it will the first eco-political casualty affected in part by Climategate.
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Bulldust (02:52:47) :
Anthony gives you the credit for the first use of the term Climategate on this blog here.
Here is a direct link to Bulldust’s historic Climategate comment.
I still don’t quite trust WordPress…
Here are the both link’s open code:-
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/26/ipcc-reviewer-dont-cover-up-the-divergence/#comment-236503
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/19/breaking-news-story-hadley-cru-has-apparently-been-hacked-hundreds-of-files-released/#comment-227351
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/copenhagen-climate-change-confe/6672875/Whos-to-blame-for-Climategate.html
“The publication of damning emails about climate change could literally change the world. Gordon Rayner reports. ”
UK, USA & Australiia, I’d say the politicians know.
M White (05:01:34) :
The reports that the UEA have been told to get their story straight by our Foreign Office mandarins/broadcast media non-coverage except in very specialist political programmes [such as Daily Politics/This Week/Newsnight] says a lot.
Since 98% of our politicians have no science background and have been greenwashed into believing AWG, it’s no wonder that they’re hiding behind the sofa.
Upthread someone made a very good observation about environment journalists being humanity/arts grads rather than scientists was spot on.
They don’t know what to say or how to interpret this – I’d be like asking me to comment on meritsof opera productions.
I imagine that the blow back the UK Conservative party got to their email last night shocked them.
Andrew Bolt is a voice in the wilderness…
‘The Consensus’ is that Global Warming is a SCAM.
There is major change rumbling in Australia with the public.
The Scandal is Malcolm ‘turcoat Goldman Sachs’ Turnbull, Australian Leader of the opposition LIBERAL PARTY (eg: Republican party, role same as McCain) is actually a Fabian Socialist), he once tried to Join Labour Party ie: like Democrats, he use to head up GOLDMAN SACHS Operations in Australia (on a $$Million salary, leaving that for a poor $100,000 politicians salary!!! WHY?! What Motive!?!). He is a trained paid Goldman Sachs Change Agent within the LIBERAL PARTY, and still has major investments in Goldman Sachs.
TURNBULL is Pushing the Goldman Sachs, Globalist Agenda to vote ‘For’ the ETS (Emissions Trading Scheme ‘aka’ Carbon Trading Scheme)
This all started 2 weeks ago when Lord Monckton’s Minnesota speech was released on Youtube. Australia’s leading radio station network 2GB played the speech (on David Oldfield, Brian Wiltshire and Alan Jones segments), and finally Alan Jones of 2GB interviewed Lord Monckton about this Copenhagen Treaty, and what it was all about.
1.
Lord Monckton interview, Alan Jones, 2GB Sydney
http://podcasts.2gb.com/alanjones/alanjonesmonckton261009b.mp3
Then Monkcton suggest Jones interview MIT Prof Lindzen
2.
Prof Richard Lindzen interview, Alan Jones, 2GB Sydney
http://podcasts.2gb.com/alanjones/alanjoneslindzen301009.mp3
If the goverments of the UK, USA and Australia pass the climage change laws they now do so at great risk of inciting revolt within their citizenry.
Are they that stupid?
I.E. – if you passed laws that imposed intentional savagery on your economy and the people knew what the outcome was going to be, plus they knew the reasoning was bogus, would not that put the legitimacy of governement in widespead contempt?
At this point, there has to be serious talk within govenment leadership circles of going down a road that has “coup” written all over it. And that has to put them on pins & needles.
The path for govenment to back out with face-saving grace is wide open. They merely have to cite “ClimateGate” concerns, and they can opt out. You know how politicians like to look good.
Here it is. Your golden parachute, and you keep your smiling face & base intact.
There is major change rumbling in Australia with the public.
The Scandal is Malcolm ‘turcoat Goldman Sachs’ Turnbull, Australian Leader of the opposition LIBERAL PARTY (eg: Republican party, role same as McCain) is actually a Fabian Socialist), he once tried to Join Labour Party ie: like Democrats, he use to head up GOLDMAN SACHS Operations in Australia (on a $$Million salary, leaving that for a poor $100,000 politicians salary!!! WHY?! What Motive!?!). He is a trained paid Goldman Sachs Change Agent within the LIBERAL PARTY, and still has major investments in Goldman Sachs.
TURNBULL is Pushing the Goldman Sachs, Globalist Agenda to vote ‘For’ the ETS (Emissions Trading Scheme ‘aka’ Carbon Trading Scheme)
This all started 2 weeks ago when Lord Monckton’s Minnesota speech was released on Youtube. Australia’s leading radio station network 2GB played the speech (on David Oldfield, Brian Wiltshire and Alan Jones segments), and finally Alan Jones of 2GB interviewed Lord Monckton about this Copenhagen Treaty, and what it was all about.
Hmmm… Looks like Climategate has made a massive difference in just a week…
[quote]
Richard (02:22:34) – “In the interests of balance”:
This weekend the Australian newspaper published their Newspoll results. Newspoll is one of the most accurate polling services in Australia. Newspoll results indicate that 67% of all voters want an ETS – further, 61% of country people want an ETS. Of the Liberal/National Party Coalition supporters, 57% are in favour of an ETS, while only 34% are against. [/quote]
Please note that the poll was taken between Nov 13 & 156.
…
So, also “in the interests of balance”, this weekend the Galaxy poll (done just this Friday night) suggests a different story:
[quote]
… a huge 80 per cent of voters do not believe the Government has provided sufficient details about an ETS with only 26 per cent now supporting the Turnbull-Rudd push for the Senate to pass it into law immediately. … Nine out of 10 Coalition supporters – and three out of four Labor voters – say they don’t understand the ETS and want the Government to explain it better. [/quote]
See:
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sunday-telegraph/malcolm-turnbull-stance-cops-a-poll-axing/story-e6frewt0-1225804931828
cheers
Arnost
After the Lord Monckton interview, Alan Jones, 2GB Radio Station in Sydney
Monkcton suggest Jones interview MIT Prof Richard Lindzen, wich he did on 30h October 2009.
Then Australian Nationals Politician BARNABY JOYCE started his online Petition to STOP the ETS, The Barnaby Joyce interview on the Global Carbon Tax SCAM with Alan Jones really got things started, as this led to finally the OUTRAGEOUS Alan Jones 2GB interview with Opposition Leader of LIBERAL Party Malcolm ‘turncoat Goldman Sachs’ Turnbull about the ETS and the Copenhagen Treaty. Turnbull was torn apart by Alan Jones, showing his true colours. After all Turnbull is a Fabian Socialist and Rhodes Scholar.
Then all hell broke loose …….
The people awoke…
What makes this worse is Australia’s Prime Minister (same as Obama) Kevin ‘rude communist tyrant fascist’ RUDD, has complete Extreme Left Communist Propaganda support of the Australian media who;
1. Refuse to Interview and probe Rudd about ‘The Treaty of Copenhagen’
2. Report the truth of the issues, in an unbiased manner
3. Report the facts that the Australian People are in REVOLT, thousands have called and emailed all the LIBERAL Politicians for 2 weeks, to force their conscience to stand down.
UK MET Office Forecast probabilities for precipitation over Northern Europe including the UK: Winter 2009/10
Rainfail – either 30% Drier – 35% Near Average – or 35% Wetter
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/seasonal/2009/winter/
Gosh thats really sticking your neck out.
I don’t know who these respected newspolls are asking, or how they’re couching the questions but they look as crook as the rest of the guff that’s being shoved down Australian’s throats at the moment.
MAttB states above he’s “trying not to give you the warmist lefty perspective here, …” but he’s doing a damned good job just the same.
“The major films are, but the show in the hangar is only filmed about a week before, to keep it topical. Climategate may be a bit too recent for this episode.”
It”s the Thursday before it airs, you’ll recall discusion about upcoming F1 races that take place between the taping on Thursday, and the airing on Sunday.
OT Monckton’s interview on PrisonPlanet.tv
It’s split into 5 parts and lasts an hour – he is very very unhappy and robust
Something really strange is going on Google – climategate returned 11.2m about 3 hrs ago – it’s now down to 10.9m
Am I losing the plot?
Mick – don’t you think Bolt would freely admit that he is seen as a right wing pundit who the left and centre dismiss with arrogance?
Look at Watson’s sly glance at the camera at 5:10 approxiamately. The mask slipped then. At least it talks about the models (while showing pictures of huge computers) but Singer debunks it.BBC Newsnight.
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWlaKZYb5Yk&hl=en_GB&fs=1&]
Well, I hope they have the stones to scuttle it.
Re: using the internet to bypass the MSM here to get ClimateGate info–you’d better know what you’re looking for:
http://cbullitt.wordpress.com/2009/11/27/google-restricting-climategate-searches/
Mr Bolt is full of energy as ever.
“…Frank J. Tipler, professor of mathematical physics at Tulane University, on the true significance of Climategate:
The now non-secret data prove what many of us had only strongly suspected — that most of the evidence of global warming was simply made up. That is, not only are the global warming computer models unreliable, the experimental data upon which these models are built are also unreliable…”
There does seem to be a growing trickle of nay-sayers coming forward/being listened to for the first time this week.
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/
Fingers crossed for Australia.
I encourage Canadians to contact their politicians.
Plato Says (05:16:05) :
“Upthread someone made a very good observation about environment journalists being humanity/arts grads rather than scientists was spot on.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/biographies/biogs/news/susan_watts.shtml
A degree in science seems irrelevant even for an environment journalists.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00p6bn0/Newsnight_23_11_2009/
The one thing I would say is that in the years to come dispite increasing CO2 and a lack of catastrophic thermageddon our politicians and journalists will not be able to hide. When we get but the scientists said this, the scientists said that, there was a consensus, it just won’t wash. The e-mails have changed everything.
I haven’t read them all yet but here is the count from Googling a minute ago
Results 1 – 10 of about 11,400,000 for climategate. (0.21 seconds)
MattB (06:55:20) :
“Mick – don’t you think Bolt would freely admit that he is seen as a right wing pundit who the left and centre dismiss with arrogance?”
I’d certainly say he’s a conservative but I also think that’s got little to do in essence with where you see yourself on the political scale… & after all it was yourself saying you were trying not to present a warmy leftist perspective.
You say:
“Anthony, you and your readers may not be aware that Andrew Bolt would generally be ignored by most say left of centre right. … so he is a bit like an extreme Fox News commentator…”
That’s a little bit mixed up on several levels. Not to mention the fact that if I’m reading your own political affiliations correctly, unless what you’ve written counts as ‘generally ignoring’ him, you’ve got a fundamental problem with your basic storyline. I don’t see him gilding the lily in his email, it seems a true state of affairs down here.
The mainstream media are basically trying to studiously ignore Climategate. They know they’ve been caught peddling alarmism, just the same as in every western country. They’re now trying to palm it out through tech or opinion slots & defuse it. Andrew Bolt isn’t ignoring it. Neither is Tim Blair & a few others. Pretty simple. We’re hearing about it down here, alright. And we’re talking amongst ourselves. The mainstream knows we know about it, & we know they know about it too. They just can’t bring themselves to admit it.
I think it is ill advised to promote such an politicised video on this site. Here is why:
Most of the reporting on climategate so far has reflex predictable political positions of the various mainstream media. And some of the positive coverage is easily disparaged by alarmists. I am thinking Fox News.
The question for me is: How can we persuade the other media to cover this issue with all its impact and urgency?
In the Australian mainstream political debate the only vocal recognistion of the legitimacy of scepticism has come from the political right (Family First, Nationals, Liberal right). These guys can keep hammering away and make some impact on their followers by making cheap and dubious political points – which this video does. They need not remind the voters that the push for the ETS legislation originated with the previous right-wing government of John Howard.
The question for me is: How do we change the minds of those folks not on the political right and not easily impacted by such dubious politicising?
My view is that the best way for this site to do this is to keep doing what it is doing so well, that is, keep pushing the issues of the science itself, and of scientific practice. But avoid visible attachment to other political agendas.
Cracks are appearing that we can get our fingers into and push open. Even in the Australian ABC — which has given it some airplay on Lateline, PM, and the World Today. And among the alarmists themselves.
This is not just Monbiot and Revkin
(see latest NYT article http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/28/science/earth/28hack.html?_r=1)
But to my mind Tim Flannery admitting, just before he heads to Compenhagen, that the world has not been warming recently and the models are not showing it is HUGE.
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2008/s2692526.htm