Calls from the left for the resignation of Dr. Phil Jones from CRU continue to mount, and they are coming from surprising places.
For the second time this week, George Monbiot called for the resignation of Dr. Jones saying:
But there is no helping it; he has to go, and the longer he leaves it, the worse it will get. He has a few days left in which to make an honourable exit.
I don’t know that an honourable exit is possible at all now, given the revelations of FOIA obstruction. Read Monbiot’s column in the Guardian here. But, if Dr. Jones does decide to resign, or the University asks him to do so, I expect this coming Monday will be his last opportunity to do so per Monbiot’s suggestion.
Maybe as on object lesson for himself in all this, Mr. Monbiot can learn to stop calling people he disagrees with “deniers”. The connotations with “holocaust denier” are distasteful and unnecessary.
Ditto for Richard Littlemore of DeSmog Blog, who could also dispense with the term in language he uses if he wants to bridge the gap. He also, by the way, suggested Dr. Jones resignation saying:
I don’t personally know that Jones has to be sacked, but I have to admit that it would be savvy for him to at least offer to step aside before someone in authority makes a move to give him a push.
As 25 year veteran member of the media myself, and still currently employed in radio, I agree with Mr. Monbiot when he says:
The crisis has been exacerbated by the university’s handling of it, which has been a total trainwreck: a textbook example of how not to respond.
I expect more calls for resignation will follow. Plus, we’ll see investigations being launched.
Trainwreck might not be a descriptive enough word.
Whom should we propose to head up http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Climatic_Research_Unit&action=edit when Jones leaves?
I’m torn between Anthony Watts and Steve McIntyre. Any other nominations please?
It is so good to see those despicable PR hacks at Desmogblog squirming after they have spent years trying to smear the reputations of any scientists who took issue with the global warming theology. In true PR fashion, their lead smearmeister Richard Littlemore is calling for Jones to resign. Like Monbiot, the Hoggan PR flacks who write Desmogblog want to lance the boil. They believe this will end the crisis and return things to normal.
I got news for Littlemore and Moonbat. This thing will not die if East Anglia gases Phil Jones. There is evidence here of data manipulation and suppression on a large scale and it adds up to a fraud that has cost taxpayers in Western countries billions upon billions of dollars. And for what? We will not forgive or forget these CRU fraudsters and the enormous harm they have done us.
Robert Wood of Canada (21:02:59) : They must ALL go; Hansen, Jones, Mann, the English guy in New York called something (oh, yes, Gavin), the IPCC. the EPA. The LOT must go; jobs and all, gone. OUT. DEMONS. OUT.
I want to point out three more in particular. William Connolley (tyrant and twister of Wikipedia climate science). Littleton of DeSmogBlog (sticker of mud everywhere). Bob Ward (usurper at Royal Society and defamer of Global Warming Swindle, which should have broken the stalemate). Also there are eminences grises behind the scenes at UN IPCC like Maurice Strong.
Really sadly, I like Phil Jones’ face now I’ve seen it. Perhaps he could be put to work, to do the work that is needed (make public the full data, the full metadata, the full codes, and help make it comprehensible and in a fit state for audit) since he is an expert.
Monbiot has demonstrated some courage and integrity but reading his piece, it can be seen that he spices his product with abundant vitriol toward the opposite side who are apparently worse frauds, heavily funded by big oil – this is a more insidious form of denial.
Perry Debell (06:25:25) : Whom should we propose to head up [CRU] when Jones leaves? I’m torn between Anthony Watts and Steve McIntyre. Any other nominations please?
I don’t think that is a job either would want – except perhaps in some kind of initial consultancy role. I’d rather propose those who have suffered the “slings and arrows of outrageous fortune” to mend what “is rotten in the state of Denmark”. For instance, Dr Deming. Ask Tim Ball to step out of retirement. There must be lots more.
… and maybe there will be a lot of jobs needing candidates. Who will replace Pachauri to either wind up IPCC or set it on the transparent footing needed? Who will replace Hansen to tidy up GISS station records? Chiefio????
… I’m on a roll. I want to see the editors of Nature and New Scientist replaced, also the heads of NAS and so on. Now if skeptics who have proved their willingness to suffer rather than toe the line are put at the top, and the others, where possible, are demoted to serve skeptic bosses, but still using their expertise, rather than convicted and sent to jail to serve, would that not produce a win-win situation in the best way possible in this dirty mess?
Al Gore? Let him shine some WalMart floors.
“Really sadly, I like Phil Jones’ face now I’ve seen it. Perhaps he could be put to work,” Lucy Skywalker
Wait! Is that the same face that was in the MFGW “Hide the Decline?” If so, and I am no female, he looks liker a conceited, spoiled ass. To see that face is to wish to punch it.
No, no job for him. Liars should not be trusted till death. Forgive, yes. Trust? Never in this life again!!!
Sheeseh Lucy! Are non-liars so rare that they can not be found for positions of responsibility?
Lying is a deadly serious sin.:
” But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Revelation 21:8 [emphasis added]
Lucy, if you spend any time at the UEA site you quickly see they are from a different culture – one inherently hostile to western thought. The Vice Chancellor who is named as being onboard with the FOIA avoidance scheme – is now running the cover up. I fully doubt anyone with a skeptical view would be allowed into this citadel of climate hokum.
But then, who in their right mind would want to be associated with the last days of any failed AGW regime?
Re:Douglas DC (21:09:23) :
In my Firefighting days this would be called a “Mongolian Cluster —-”
No leadership no direction, and all were complicit….
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Ha! also used in British Army (or at least the bit I served in) to describe escalating events. So from Asleep->SNAFU->Cluster..->Mongolian
But possibly harsh. There was leadership, namely the Hockey Team. There was direction, namely promote warming, deny MWP/LIA and the unreliability of wooden thermometers, and the emails show complicity. Problem seems to me to be the Team were effectively amateurs at running an information campaign, which is showing now by the way they’re scrabbling to do damage limitation.
At this point, I’d love to be a fly on the wall at EMS/Fenton/Gore Inc, and to a lesser extent in UK Government. But we have Milliband as our official HMG stunt muppet, so already know whatever response he comes out with is likely to just make the situation worse. I don’t see how Mann or Jones can survive this though.
As someone, like many others, who has a reasonable backround in science I decided many months ago to try & find some proper evidence for AGW i.e. that based on observation & experiment . I was unsuccessful. Take the computer models out of the picture & you get a blank screen. I therefore object to being called “a denier” just because I hold a different view.
Dr. Jones and entire CRU Senior staff could do some good here:
“Tuvalu, a country whose highest point is just 4.5m above sea level, is extremely vulnerable to climate change. The country has brought a case to the International Court of Justice against developed countries considered most liable for the greenhouse gases that are blamed for global warming.”
When not under water – Tuvalu can be a lovely island to recreate in.
Is this Godfather III: “The higher I go, the crookeder it becomes.” ?
Several years ago for personal interest I was searching journal articles for paleoclimate studies that addressed changes in solar activity. I remember reading 2 articles(I hope to find them again) with abstracts that strongly suggested there was an AGW gatekeeper effect for that journal.
Abstracts concisely summarize the study and list the important findings. That’s it. But at the end of these abstracts they would include a disclaimer saying that there study did not contradict the attribution of CO2 for the current warming trend. This was highly unusual. There studies had nothing to do with CO2 and the editor should have eliminated that last disclaimer.
I tried to have discussions with the scientists at RealClimate but they would selectively delete any posts that they couldn’t dismiss. I was astounded. If these scientists would manipulate a public website (that I mistakenly thought was to help all people understand climate science), a place where such manipulation was more visible, what would they do behind closed doors?
Later at the AAAS meetings in San Francisco, either the editor of Science or/and the president of AAAS got up and said “there is no more debate” regards AGW. I was becoming more deeply concerned that the very foundation of science -the debating of methodology, results and conclusions -was being discarded and abused because science had become so politicized.
I wonder how high this whole climate gate will go. There is a strong effort to play this down as if nothing has happened but clearly there has been attempts by the major players in climate science to exert tyrannical control over the scientific control. The orchestrated attempts to spread the memes o “the consensus agreement” and “there is no more debate” is not only revealed in the hacked emails, but in the words of editors and abstracts that have disclaimers.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Phil Jones quickly becomes the sacrificial pig, to try and avoid further investigations. They have shown obvious disdain for the scientific process and an important tenet of democracy the Freedom of Information acts. I suspect the Higher we look the crookeder it becomes. I would bet any journal that allowed (required?) an abstract disclaimer, or has pushed the notion that “there is no more debate”, can be linked to these Climate Gate manipulators.
A perfectly serviceable but unPC Naval expression: “A Bugger’s Muddle”
Surely the mot juste is Copenhokum?
Phil Jones will at some time either take early retirement or be given a ‘sideways’ promotion.
There is no way he will be fired because to do that risks pissing him off and who knows who will fall out of the CAGW tree?
DaveE.
“Wait! Is that the same face that was in the MFGW “Hide the Decline?” If so, and I am no female, he looks liker a conceited, spoiled ass. To see that face is to wish to punch it.”
No, the conceited looking one is Michael Mann himself. The Jones picture is the one that looks like Daniel Craig (at least, that’s what Lucy said.)
George Monbiot is the ultimate hypocrite!
On the one hand he calls for the resignation of Jones whilst on the other he ‘apologises’ for not being sufficiently diligent in researching AGW in the hope that this absolves him from blame or responsibility.
When the very foundations of all the poisonous rubbish he has espoused for the last 25 years have been exposed as a huge fraud, he should recant everything he has said and written.
Then quietly skulk off to a remote Pacific island and contemplate for the rest of his days the harm he has done to millions of his fellow human beings.
Climate Gate – Evangelical eco christian developed some CRU code…?
All information below are in the public domain, and links are verifiable, except for the bio, as the cru main web server seems to be down at the moment. all the following was simple put together via google searches.
Please do your own research and decide whether newsworthy or not.
“Although I have yet to see any evidence that climate change is a sign of Christ’s imminent return, human pollution is clearly another of the birth pangs of creation, as it eagerly awaits being delivered from the bondage of corruption (Romans. 19-22).”
Sounds like a religion to me.
Someone who WANTS to believe that humans are bad, damaging to the environment.
so what you may ask, just another believer…
The author:
Tim Mitchell works at the Climactic Research Unit, UEA, Norwich, and is a member of South Park Evangelical Church.
Yes, this is the guy harry is referring to in that Harry_Read_Me.txt file,
from this article:
http://www.e-n.org.uk/1129-Climate-change-and-the-…
Not Dr Tim Mitchell yet, he is just a research student developing the computer models for the ‘researchers’ to use in climate change Reasearch unit.
Yes, this is the guy harry is referring to in that Harry_Read_Me.txt file, ‘what did tim do’ while trying to make sense of all the code, recreate data, etc,etc,etc.
“On we go.. firstly, examined the spc database.. seems to be in % x10.
Looked at published data.. cloud is in % x10, too.
First problem: there is no program to convert sun percentage to
cloud percentage. I can do sun percentage to cloud oktas or sun hours
to cloud percentage! So what the hell did Tim do?!! As I keep asking.”
Whilst many people of faith are excellent dedicated professional scientists.
I have a few doubts that an evangelical eco christian (my label), that obviously is passionate and committed to the above, may not be perhaps open as they may think they are, perhaps they should be, to both sides of the debate.
http://www.e-n.org.uk/2625-Day-after-tomorrow.htm
“The librarian chooses to rescue an old Bible, not because he believes in God, but because its printing was ‘the dawn of the age of reason’. In this film we see how far we have fallen. Lost, we retreat into a virtual world where disaster becomes entertainment and the unreal seems more real than reality itself. ‘For whom tolls the bell? It tolls for thee.’
Dr. Tim Mitchell,
climate scientist”
Dr Tim now, obviously left CRU around 2004, as published research papers dry up at
this time. Apparentally on a new more spiritual direction.
http://www.e-n.org.uk/searchpage.php?term=mitchell
2004
Dr. Tim Mitchell,
formerly a scientist, now a student at LTS
2006
http://www.e-n.org.uk/3639-Rhythm-of-the-rain.htm
Dr. Tim Mitchell,
Highbury Baptist Church;
formerly of the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research
Tim Mitchell is apparently now a student, at LTS:
London Theological Seminary
Evangelical Protestant college for the training of preachers and pastors. Provides degrees up to Masters level. includes course details and resources.
http://www.ltslondon.org
googled following sentence for his bio, link now down/unavailable on cru website:
In 1997 I moved to Norwich to carry out the research for a PhD at the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia. …
Tim Mitchell bio: ( a little bit changed to CAPS by me)
In 1997 I moved to Norwich to carry out the research for a PhD at the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia. My subject was the development of climate scenarios for SUBSEQUENT USE BY RESEARCHERS investigating the impacts of climate change. I was supervised by Mike Hulme and by John Mitchell (Hadley Centre of the UK Meteorological Office). The PhD was awarded in April 2001.
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timm/personal/index.html – Cached
So basically 12 years ago , a phd student working on thesis, put together some code, which would appear to have evolved into the mess ‘harry’ is trying to sort out make sense of,
Did anyone think, it was teams of professional programmers developing robust code?
testing models, validating data sets, archiving, backing up,etc,etc,etc
phd students, probably self taught in fortran (ancient), followed by subsequent students, with the professors probably knowing absolutely nothing about programming, telling the students they SUPERVISE, what to do and the results they are expecting according to their theories (no pressure there then, directly or indirectly to get your phd)
Back to the code, and the harry_read_me.txt file. The code and datasets, will destroy this department, and AGW, if not, there is truly no hope for real science
Periodicity in Indian Ocean Dipole (in years):
http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/I_IOD_Period.PNG
Has anyone seen this result anywhere?
Paul.
One should not miss that while Dr. Jones was doing his best Captain Queeg impersonation about organized campaigns to keep him from working via FOIA because CRU received “double digits” (one suspects he means less than 20) in two years, in the US the EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) received 11,492 FOIA requests *in one year*, FY2008. See here: http://www.justice.gov/oip/foiapost/2009foiapost16.htm
Keep that context in mind when Phil Queeg starts rolling the balls around in his hand ranting about McIntyre and his minions plotting to bury him in FOIA.
Further to Paul Vaughan (14:04:28) …
btw:
This relates to:
1) Phil Jones’s plan to change ~1945+ temperatures.
2) serious missing links in climate science’s understanding of the terrestrial hydrologic cycle (including CLOUDS).
This is slightly off topic, but it seems to me the constant focus on Phil Jones and his shenanigans — though necessary simply to expose the extent — may ultimately be a problem.
The constant calls for his resignation seems to me that the establishment cabal will simply use him as the fall guy, along with one or two other light weights, and then it will be back to usual with the damage control spin being “there were a few rogue scientists and they have been released and so now everything is fine — move along nothing to see here.” There might be a whitewash investigation that will come to the same conclusion.
This is the standard cover-up damage control play in these situations, and has been used very effectively time and time again to appease the public that nothing serious happened and get back to “business as usual” — i.e. nothing really changes: new players/leaders, same game.
I’ve yet to see truth really prevail in any major scandal involving any large entrenched establishment (military, govt, academic, etc.) despite intense heat from the internt because too many vested interests are involved, too many people have too much too loose and so whatever the reason ( pay-cheques, reputations, etc.) everyone joins the bandwagon to have a fall guy out of self-interest and preservation.
Not sure what the solution is.
Furthermore, as we’ve seen in the spin from Phil et al in the few statements that have been issued so far, is that the CRU data-set is one of 4 temprature data sets and all 4 are consistent with each other. Given that we now know CRU’s is essentially doctored rubbish, it is self-evident the others must be too as it seems the all the custodians are a very small clique who are directly or indirectly related to the hockey team.
Therefore it seems to me that the data from these other organizations needs to be outed also and unless there are similar FOI requests pending (or stalled — which would indicate something to hide again) at the US institutions, we’re going to find the spin “we’re only one of 4 data-sets and we’re all consistent with each other” win over the public. Because it is a reasonable explanation absent evidence (read leaked data) to the contrary from the other organizations.
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PR Guy (21:25:15) : ” . . . What will Copenhagen look like when all the leaders have been fired from their jobs? Might create some ‘gaps’, in the agenda. Oh well, I guess it will give people more time to eat the nice food.
Ummmm. Lutefisk.