Calls from the left for the resignation of Dr. Phil Jones from CRU continue to mount, and they are coming from surprising places.
For the second time this week, George Monbiot called for the resignation of Dr. Jones saying:
But there is no helping it; he has to go, and the longer he leaves it, the worse it will get. He has a few days left in which to make an honourable exit.
I don’t know that an honourable exit is possible at all now, given the revelations of FOIA obstruction. Read Monbiot’s column in the Guardian here. But, if Dr. Jones does decide to resign, or the University asks him to do so, I expect this coming Monday will be his last opportunity to do so per Monbiot’s suggestion.
Maybe as on object lesson for himself in all this, Mr. Monbiot can learn to stop calling people he disagrees with “deniers”. The connotations with “holocaust denier” are distasteful and unnecessary.
Ditto for Richard Littlemore of DeSmog Blog, who could also dispense with the term in language he uses if he wants to bridge the gap. He also, by the way, suggested Dr. Jones resignation saying:
I don’t personally know that Jones has to be sacked, but I have to admit that it would be savvy for him to at least offer to step aside before someone in authority makes a move to give him a push.
As 25 year veteran member of the media myself, and still currently employed in radio, I agree with Mr. Monbiot when he says:
The crisis has been exacerbated by the university’s handling of it, which has been a total trainwreck: a textbook example of how not to respond.
I expect more calls for resignation will follow. Plus, we’ll see investigations being launched.
Trainwreck might not be a descriptive enough word.
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What is it they say, never make predictions…especially about the future. Anyway, just for fun, here are my predictions. The Universities and Agencies are now starting to wake up to the magnitude of the problem they have and the fact that this story is not going away. Receiving a congressional subpoena is — unsettling — to say the least. The people involved will not resign. Instead, the agencies and universities will look for a quick way out — they will act quickly to limit their liability. So I think people will be fired for reasons other than scientific fraud. Jones will go because of FOIA obstruction, Mann will go for falsifying the H-Index on the committee application, Briffa will go for aiding tax evasion, Stanter will go for making workplace threats and for contributing to a hostile work environment. Of course, all of these things are just alleged at the moment. But each could be quickly proven, while scientific fraud is exceeding difficult to prove. My guess, mid-next week the axe begins to fall.
“Yes senator, we took immediate action as soon as we were alerted to wrong doing – but we stand by the science.”
“In the frenzy of the past few days, the most vital issue is being overshadowed: we face enormous challenges ahead if we are to continue to live on this planet.”
Phil Jones
And what you did was make the job 10x harder.
Hide the Decline, Dog ate the Data = driving the wrong way on the freeway.
Thanks for nothing, pal.
If justice exists, Dr. Phil should not be sent to a Western style prison. He should be sent to spend his life as a starving child in Africa under his own prescriptions.
Rereke Whakaaro (21:59:54) :
1. They keep on talking about “stolen data”
They don’t, nor does anyone, except the people who did it, know how the 62 mb was obtained and let out to the public.
I don’t like the repetitiveness of saying it was stolen. Repetitiveness is what theyalways do when they propagandize.
The file may have been legally released. Or, it may have been illegally done. Let’s all wait to know how it was done before we call it anything.
Cap and Trade is dead. Copenhagen is dead. The big problem is the EPA. Can these revelations be used via lawsuit to shutdown the EPA? After all, the data they are basing their findings on is now suspect.
Mattb, I believe what they are implying is a “denier of the inevitable”. Once you step out of science and into the politics, you see that they are using tools of the Progressive movement. They don’t talk in terms of “if” or “might”, they use “will, are, and is” the definite. To them, there is no Global Climate Change debate. Debate implies two or more sides that may be correct in their own ways. They are in a position where they must not loose; therefore there can be no debate. That’s why “The Science is Settled” in their minds. They are saying there is nothing we can do to stop what is happening. Deniers, Skeptics, what ever the term that is used is in the way of their ultimate goal. That is why you see such hatred in their emails, and that is what it is. Hate.
Until you can analyze what their true goal is, you cannot see what the big picture is. I personally do not believe their goal is to find the truth; it is to manufacture “a truth”. That is why it is so important that you scientists get your hands on the real raw data as soon as possible. I have learned so much from your blogs and boards, but I am yet a novice. But I do know people and understand the politics behind all this.
Our future is in your hands….no pressure 🙂
rbateman (22:03:15) :
The next is here.
IP rights. It’s ok, the government knows what to do with your invention.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/26/science-shackles-intellectual-property
There are no victories here, Monbiot is still shrieking the world is burning up, my guess is he wants to close this thing down before someone in government, or the Royal Society starts an investigation and finds “it’s worse than we thought.” Monbiot believes Jones’ resignation will give closure and they will be able tot carry on as before spouting “the science is settled.2
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Bottom line: The world’s still burning. That’s really the issue here.
The sad thing is that these thefts are working with government all around the world to steal possibly trillions of dollars of our money…These people are trying to force policy change that will harm America and every first and second rate nation on earth. These people are not only traitors towards the united states, but also towards all of humanity and its advancement. It harms all.
Since these sciencist are the founders of the global warming theory, and holds much of the power over the IPCC and the models that are presented to the world. It would be my guess that the theory has been destroyed? Or are there other organizions that are private from these people showing the same thing or close to it??? I pray that it has been totally disproven.
I would look at the satellite data for the closest estimate of the real temperature of earth. I believe the global temperature has been very stable over the last decade with up’s and downs around .2c both ways. Yes, the temperature did go down sharply during the last few years, but have bounced around.
Today I suggested to a colleague (teacher) that he should google Climategate. He did, and was amazed at what he found. He went around telling people about it.
The general population has still not heard of this in Australia. Mind you, Tony Abbott has just resigned from Turnbull’s Shadow Cabinet so he can vote against the ETS. More to come. The Senate is dragging out the debate, and the longer they take the more voters will hear of this story and start to doubt the government’s propaganda.
Good on you, Anthony. Keep up the good work.
Don’t you think that they think they need to accept a few accusations, and suffer a small defeat or so in order to keep the deception train on path?
…”keep the train on track“, I mean.
A new news article appeared in ninemsn.com.au –
“Senior Liberal frontbencher Tony Abbott has resigned from the shadow cabinet fuelling speculation Malcolm Turnbull may soon face another leadership challenge.”
Basically Mr Abbott resigned because the party leader, Mr Turnbull would not concede to delay the vote on the emissions trading scheme.
Interesting week in Australian Politics – link here
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/976445/abbott-expected-to-quit-libs-frontbench
Nigel Lawson: Climate science has turned into religion
Lawson was Chancellor when Crispin Tickell, then British Ambassador to the UN, convinced Prime Minister Thatcher that man-made global warming was a problem. Despite Tickell lacking any scientific background (he read history at university) Mrs Thatcher took the population campaigner’s views seriously enough to make a landmark speech on global warming. This led to the foundation of a branch of the Met Office, the Hadley Centre at Exeter, to study the issue. It remains one of the three leading climate institutes.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/25/nigel_lawson/
Crispin Tickell (Mentors George Monbiot)
Sir Crispin was President of the Royal Geographical Society from 1990 to 1993 and Warden of Green College, Oxford between 1990 and 1997, where he appointed George Monbiot and Norman Myers as Visiting Fellows
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crispin_Tickell
Crispin Tickell was one of the Principal Godfathers of AGW religion.
And now Monbiot feigns surprise at the goings on, when he was Mentored by Tickell??
A healthy dose of scepticism would be warranted !!
Tickell’s website is here
http://www.crispintickell.com/
Where did IPCC 1990 Figure 7c Come From?
http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3072
Wow, since i linked the article above – it has been updated, 2 more shadow cabinet ministers have also resigned
“Liberal senators will hold a partyroom meeting at 1830 AEDT where Liberal powerbroker Nick Minchin is expected to stand down from the opposition front bench.”
“Liberal MP Sophie Mirabella has also announced her resignation from the opposition shadow ministry over the emissions trading scheme.
She said her decision to resign wasn’t easy.
“It is with a heavy heart that I will cross the floor for the first time in my parliamentary career,” Ms Mirabella said in a statement on Thursday.
“This will be a vote against Labor’s ETS, not my colleagues.” “
D. King (22:19:47) :
Proprietary and single-source records is what led to the POSS II plates and the Greenwich plates found in a degraded state, and many early science papers found eaten by mold/ravaged by time.
Replication of data across many mediums and places has proven to be the key to survival of the same.
Now look what happened when our temp. data got hoarded by those who had no respect for it. Disgraceful.
The hockey stick sabotaged climate science. So it’s only fair, and ironic, that Jones (and hopefully et al) should go down and the edifice crumble.
It’s really quite simple, well perhaps simple, but flattening out the climate history of the past 1000 years by suppressing the magnitude of natural climate variation left climate models with a big problem. If the climate models were to successfully predict the future, they had to know the past.
But the past was a lie.
And the current decade proved it was a lie. And the models and theory failed.
The warmers can figure this out for themselves but they won’t.
Climate sceptics have lied, obscured and cheated for years. That’s why we climate rationalists must uphold the highest standards of science
Jones knew that any incorrect papers by sceptical scientists would be picked up and amplified by climate change deniers funded by the fossil fuel industry, who often – as I documented in my book Heat – use all sorts of dirty tricks to advance their cause.
The greatest tragedy here is that despite many years of outright fabrication, fraud and deceit on the part of the climate change denial industry
George, “the fossil fuel industry” is too busy over here grabbing their share of the 100 Billion dollar a year carbon scam that with your help they have managed to create out of fresh air. They have no time to fund “denial”.
Wake up George, once Copenhagen is over they fully expect this “market” to move into Trillions of dollars and you helped them do it. Congratulations you clown.
I really hope your book is a success – you are going to need the cash. Those Trillions are going to have to come from somewhere. We tried to warn you.
Monbiot’s column is disgraceful. Who is he calling denialists, scumbags and 100 times worse than Phil Jones in their conduct? Who are these big-oil snake oil salesmen he is referring to? Uninformed readers might make the conclusion that these are allegations about the likes of McIntyre, Watts and Pielke. He must give an explanation.
And reading that opinion piece it seems obvious that Monbiot’s interest is to see this story die with the resignation of Jones. And he is trying to get his comrades to see the wisdom of that viewpoint before it is too late. He is writing to them.
Does he not understand that it is exactly the arrogance of the likes of him, and the open contempt that they show to those with differing scientific views that are the real problem here? The behaviour of the likes of Jones are merely symptoms of this tribalistic, self-righteous and self-promoting mindset that has turned science into dirty politics.
Oh..wait..wait .. I know this one! er..er NZ temperatures? No? erm.. hadCRUT err.. 2? 3? Tree ring density compensation coefficients ? Err… lottery numbers. no .. no .. er numbers I pulled out of my ass when pressed? Can I e-mail a friend?
“Trainwreck might not be a descriptive enough word.”
How about: ‘gravy trainwreck’?.
I logged in to the Guardian site to leave a couple of comments (as I have been doing elsewhere of late, at NYTimes and Daily Mail, and the like) as my slight contribution; but, for the most part, comments are still so often of the Dr Jones admits that the e-mails don’t read well, Can’t we now leave that good man alone to continue the good fight.
On another note, has anyone on the environmental side suggested that all these world leaders and experts stay at home and talk by way of the internet?
Strange news here in the UK from the BBC this morning. The Daily Mail reports that Paul Hudson of the BBC received the leaked CRU emails on 12th October – more than three weeks before they were posted to the Russian serve??
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1230943/Climate-change-scandal-BBC-expert-sent-cover-emails-month-public.html
Hudson said:
” ‘I was forwarded the chain of emails on the 12th October, which are comments from some of the world’s leading climate scientists written as a direct result of my article “Whatever Happened To Global Warming”.’
That essay, written last month, argued that for the last 11 years there had not been an increase in global temperatures.
It also presented the arguments of sceptics who believe natural cycles control temperature and the counter-arguments of those who think it’s man’s actions which are warming the planet.”
So if a BBC Journalist was sent the whole CRU email package on 12th October, doesn’t this imply that the entire thing was a leak by a whistleblower inside CRU rather than a hacker operating from outside?
rbateman (20:56:42) :
What a ghastly thing to do.
Nah. Just another day at the global warming office.