Quite a lot of interest continues in the files from CRU that were leaked/hacked and placed on a Russian FTP server. Quite a number of other websites have been things with them ranging from commentary to evaluation of validity. With over 1000 emails, it is a bit of a task to wade through.
The Internet is an amazing place. Now there’s a website that has put all of the emails into a searchable database with a web engine interface.
The screencap below shows the engine at http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/
I have no idea who put this together, but it does seem to work quite well. For example, typing in the keyword “moron” yields an interesting email. So does typing in the name of a prominent climate “bulldog”.
Interesting stuff.
NOTE: Link updated to new website on 1/23/10
I vote for
CLIMATE CRUNCH
to replace ‘credit crunch’ in year 2010
[i] Steve S. (09:51:30) :
sorry for another post so soon but this is too funny, and prophetic.
http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/emails.php?eid=934&filename=1226451442.txt%5B/i%5D
yes, very prophetic, indeed
FOIA > documents > Greenpeace.txt:
I was somewhat taken by the above referenced e-mail between Paul Horsman of Greenpeace and Mick Kelley of the CRU wherein they are discussing a globalization agenda and organizing an international climate justice summit. If there isn’t a globalization agenda behind the IPCC then why are they discussing it in relation to the IPCC? Just what is “climate justice” anyway? Curious minds want to know.
Sadly the Australian media has been very slow to run with this story… I’d imagine they are scared to because of the ETS legislation is to be rammed through our senate next week (last week of Federal Parliament for the year). My god we are going to look silly if it goes through.
The truth is leaking out through newspaper blogs at some papers:
http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/jacktheinsider/index.php/theaustralian/comments/climate_protest_starved_of_publicity/
Interestingly, The West Australian news paper, one usually known for its tardy reporting (except for local issues) has grabbed onto it so I can only imagine the SMH, Age abd Australian are not too far behind:
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/world/6500842/leaked-emails-stoke-climate-debate/
Clive (08:48:53) :
AJ Abrams (08:11:58) : “I hope they are reading here.” ☺☺
The ONLY one not watching is an old hermit in a cave in Elbonia. (Joke!)
Yup, it is a joke – I’m reading this too!
Taylor (09:00:04) :
A series of email exchanges showed me that Michael Mann was not honest at all in handling a nomination for Phil Jones. Dr. Mann asked for an H-Index from Dr. Jones himself because Dr. Mann was preparing a nomination package for Dr. Jones. Dr. Jones said his H-index ( an index indicating how significant one’s scientific papers have been) is about 52 while a website is reporting 62 because the website includes many papers published by some biologists with the same name. Dr. Mann replied back saying that ‘I will go w/ 62, which is higher than vast members of national academy of science’. How can one expect to trust this Mann’s scientific results without getting and examining his data source??
This is it, I think.
Phil = ” Problem is my surname. I get a number of 62 if I just use the software, but I have too many papers. I then waded through and deleted those in journals I’d never heard of and got 52. I think this got rid of some biologist from the 1970s/1980s, so go with 52.”
Mike = “OK–thanks, I’ll just go w/ the H=62. That is an impressive number and almost certainly higher than the vast majority of AGU Fellows.”
1105019698.txt
Pick a base period. Any base period…
“There is a preference in the atmospheric observations chapter of IPCC
AR4 to stay with the 1961-1990 normals. This is partly because a change
of normals confuses users, e.g. anomalies will seem less positive than
before if we change to newer normals, so the impression of global
warming will be muted”
Mike I couldn’t agree more. I have seen absolutely nothing about the CRU scam in the MSM in our country. We have a new phrase here now to describe bush fire conditions which replaces ‘extreme’ and that is ‘catastrophic’. So everything in SE Australia to-day is ‘catastrophic’ as it was in South Australia 2 days ago which our Prime Minister put down to climate change (until the rains arrived there and which will be here tonight).
If it is not the ‘catastrophic’ weather here it is the floods of ‘biblical’ proportions in NW England. Apocalypse Now has arrived in the MSM just in time to push the ETS through the Senate prior to the Copenhagen bunfest which even the leader of our right wing opposition supports.
The uncovered emails whether they are conspiratorial or not will be a mere blip on the horizon which shows an unstoppable tide of AGW more powerful than Hitler’s blitzkrieg into Poland. Mike we will need more than your old snowdrifts, we will need another “Little Ice Age” starting next Monday.
Bryan Clark (11:53:40) :
“As a (retired) professional engineer from Canada, I am truly shocked by the contemptible behaviour of the scientists at Britain’s CRU. A total lack of ethics.”
Phil Jones:
He calls one person an utter prat, and rejoices over the death of another, whilst his correspondents harbour fantasies about beating the crap out out of someone else or meeting them in dark alleys … interspersed with advice to one another on how to rubbish research whose results they don’t like.
I’m still hoping this isn’t genuine
@ur momisugly P Gosselin (10:08:42) :
Pierre,
thanks, I missed that.
Still goin’ thru the other files, datas.
BTW, do you know, why http://www.oekologismus.de hasn’t open
a thread on that? Are they sleeping on their keyboards?
rgds
KlausB
IMPORTANT:
tallbloke (12:22:28) “I came across a message saying the SST’s around 1945 would be changed.”
They must not be permitted to further vandalize the record
So here’s a question: any speculation on how this will affect Copenhagen which is only a few weeks away? I’m no climate scientist; just a concerned citizen, but my assumption is that all these “team” members will be there. My guess is that the next couple of weeks will be full of “deny! deny! deny!” because of the timing of the release of all this data. But when Copenhagen happens, I wonder if ANYONE at the conference will bring these emails and other files, and their conclusions, to the forefront?
KlausB (12:56:27) :
@ur momisugly Richard Sharpe (09:32:58) :
Richard, I did a “climategate” -google friday evening my time/I presume early friday your time – results: 1321
.. did same now – results 32600++
34800 now. You’ll be able to see the difference in timestamps when I post this.
vulgarmorality (08:46:08) :
This isn’t about data but about politics – and not really about politics but about a certain mindset. Many scientists have succumbed to the temptation to became Platonic guardians, telling the rest of us how we must life.
Is this a Platonic mindset? Or, given the ammount of money and taxation involved in the green agenda, and all the eugenicists and other crud lurking in the wings, is it more a case of the Spartans and the Helots?
Gene Nemetz: You wrote with respect to my earlier comment about researchers assuming a linear relationship between ENSO and global temperature, “He really assumed that? Unbelievable!”
In the papers where the researchers remove ENSO from global temperatures by scaling and lagging the ENSO data before subtracting it, they assume there is a linear relationship between ENSO and global temperature. I’ve listed those papers in a recent (September) post:
http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2009/09/relationship-between-enso-and-global.html
Steve Mosher, spot on. Keep to the core issues still;
Free the data; Free the code; Free the debate.
Most of the media are still caught in the bias, believing or asserting that the warming is happening. So this message needs to come through: Even the hacked emails say warming is not happening.
And…… there is still more rot to uncover. The GISS mess. And I suspect an Ice Hockey Stick regarding the CO2 measurements taken from ice cores and the serial institutional rubbishing of Jaworowski who challenged it on many substantial scientific grounds. And more probably.
This looks like the Battle of Britain, folks – but not yet the end of the war.
Thanks muchly for the search engine.
If you want to feel like you’re in a different universe, take a look at the discussion we’re having over at http://theweatheroutlook.com/twocommunity/forums/6.aspx on this very issue. A supposed British former scientist (“TomC”) posts there and he says there is nothing incriminating in the emails. A few other there are members of green parties so you know what to expect.
More good news: the Climategate issue has made it to the Fox News homepage.
http://www.foxnews.com/
Torquatus (11:22:53) :
One of the Emails mentioned above has a very interesting mail header:
From: Ben Santer
To: Smithg
Subject: Re: data request
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:33:53 -0800
Reply-to: santer1@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Santer is at xxxx.gov in the US, Smithg is at .net.sg in Singapore. All other Emails I’ve seen have at least one @uea.ac.uk address. So what the heck is this Email doing at CRU? My best guess, and probably right, is that the recipient was on a “Bcc:” (blind carbon copy) list and hence not on a “To:” or “Cc:” line.
Just something to keep in mind considering who has seen/sent what.
Interesting post at Powerline concerning the hacking and e-mails. Given my interest in the MSM and various issues, when you get about halfway through the post there’s a discussion re: Andrew Revkin, the NYT’s environmental reporter, and his somewhat small, tangential involvement in all of this. Small, tangential, but I think revealing. Joseph Stalin, please meet Walter Duranty.
Just downloaded the letters, and one #0983196231 says
“It also remains unclear why just at the dawn of the Industrial Revolution and before the emission of substantial amounts of anthropogenic greenhouse gases, Earth’s temperature began to rise steeply.”
“Gavin” at realclimate says
“It may have escaped your notice, but I am not Phil Jones, neither is Mike Mann, and nor is anyone else associated with the RealClimate.”
I suppose that all depends on the definition of “associated”, and the hard evidence to prove or disprove it. This guy is sounding more and more like a weasel.
“I stress that this has absolutely nothing to do with anyone at RealClimate, and has absolutely nothing to do with wanting to hide data.”
Perhaps this means that neither Phil or Mike is posting there at the present? Or Gavin?
Quotes from response to “Comment by Biff Larkin — 21 November 2009 @ur momisugly 3:45 PM”
This e-mail from Mann to Jones in June of 98 talks about, “datasets with
manufactured biases”. I searched the keyword “funding” and got 69 results.
Hmmm, interesting.
“Dear Phil,
Of course I’ll be happy to be on board. I think the opportunity for some
direct collaboration between us (me, and you/tim/keith) is ripe, and
the plan to compare and contrast different approaches and data and
synthesize the different results is a good one. Though sidetracked
by other projects recently, I remain committed to doing this with
you guys, and to explore applications to synthetic datasets with
manufactured biases/etc remains high priority. It sounds like it
would all fit into the proposal you mention. There may be some
overlap w/proposals we will eventually submit to NSF (renewal
of our present funding), etc. by I don’t see a problem with that
in the least.
Once the collaboration is officially in place, I think that sharing
of codes, data, etc. should not be a problem. I would be happy to
make mine available, though can’t promise its the most user friendly
thing in the world.
In short, I like the idea. INclude me in, and let me know what you
need from me (cv, etc.).
cheers,
mike”
http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/emails.php?eid=59&filename=898099393.txt
Tamino is shown to be the email address of a Dr Steve Foster, using tamino9
“O. Weinzierl (11:10:25) :
I could not believe my ears when I heard about the CRU hack on the main evening news for Austria. The state owned broadcaster “ORF” usually only brings alarmist news. I guess now the CRU hack will also get some press coverage.”
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You almost gave me a heart attack because I at first thought you said Australia. There’s been not a peep so far from the main news outlets that I’ve heard and its a matter of life and death here at the moment because the appalling CPRS (ETS) legislation is coming before the Senate this week. The government does not have the numbers to pass it but our quisling leader of the opposition is doing his level best to ensure its passage, despite strong opposition within in own party. It seems a rupture in his own party is of less importance to him.