I always have to chuckle when somebody uses the phrase denier/delayer to label somebody for even the slightest transgression on climate /action/justice/activism/alarmism/pick a word.
Briefly, this appeared on Google News:
That was the original title of the piece. Somebody must have complained, because it didn’t last long: Look what The Guardian changed the title to:
Whether the hopes are fading or in “tatters”, it seems that the hope and climate change movement is falling apart.
Some good could come out of Copenhagen; WUWT could be in the running for this award!
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/angry-mermaid-joins-fight-against-climate-change-1820960.html
BTW, remember to vote in the “Best Science Blog” nominations.
Yertizz (10:35:08) :
There IS a higher authority than George Monbiot!
Are you meaning the bridge guards on the top side of the bridge George Monbiot dwells under from where his troll hieroglyphics drip?
We are looking at pragmatism in action. Extricating themselves from AGW alarmism will take all the finesse the Administration can muster. They’re working on it. They know the data are against them.
And please, just can all this Maobama nonsense. The guy is actually pretty moderate.
Great news. What is needed is time to dispel the “beliefs” of Man(n) Caused Global Warming Climate Change with hard core reality based science and real practical care for our environment before rash decisions are put into long term binding treaties by those who believe they run the world.
This should be a heads up to EPA: any further attempts to demonize CO2 as a “pollutant” will be met with pressures forceful enough to disassemble EPA back to its constituent parts.
Need time to rig up some new fake data …
Gene Nemetz (11:28:47) :
Spent $1.4T and produced one pricey NY raspberry.
Except for that Stock Market: They’re gaining at the craps table.
And if that’s not enough, we’re getting more politcally correct with each passing day.
Why is anybody surprised by this? The US Senate voted against Kyoto (sense of the senate vote) 98-0. Clinton had Gore sign the bill anyway but never submitted the treaty to the US Senate for approval. For 8 years the Democrats and their European allies blamed Bush for the failure of Kyoto in the USA. That was just a Big Lie.
A Big Lie for 8 years. Bush was just a lousy politician that he let the Dems lay that on him. Now, when the Democrats control the White House and Congress, they will do nothing about global warming except raise some taxes. It has all been a Big Lie.
Obama is moderate? What the heck?
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2008/06/this-was-moment-when-rise-of-oceans.html
I believe the correct title should be – “The Ditherer-In-Chief….”
Indiana Bones (12:03:38) :
This should be a heads up to EPA: any further attempts to demonize CO2 as a “pollutant” will be met with pressures forceful enough to disassemble EPA back to its constituent parts.
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No this will even more elevate chances the EPA to become the regulator of last resort. The problem here is timing, the climate stuff is being sacrificed to get the Healthcare passed so that Climate is the Election Issue in 2010. The EPA GHG regulation was always designed to be used as a hammer by the Administration. (7.2B in additional EPA funding in the Stimulus to assure the EPA was ready in time)
The EPA will be ready to regulate GHGs in about a week or two, this delay on Copenhagen and also one on the EPA rules adoption that will crop up after the OMB report is a trade-off for moderate Democrats in the Senate in exchange for Healthcare Reform support. You cannot look at the two massive bills being single issue ones, they are part off a larger agenda, and sacrifices on one will help the other.
This is politics and this is how it is played.
Andy Revkin (10:00:07) :
It seems they should have first said something about the earth cooling and there being longer, harsher winters around the world, i.e., the real reasons.
People are believing in global warming less and less because it isn’t happening Andy.
I hope the delay is not a ruse so that we ease up on politicians…
It isn’t happening, and the White House is catching on. That’s the bottom line. Now they need to figure out the strategy. Letting as much of it as possible run out in the sand will certainly be part of it.
I think that the only way to stop the green movement is to starve the environmentalists of money. They are the ones pushing the politicians into the cap and trade bill. There is nothing we can do about the IPCC except to tell our elected government officials that we do not accept one word coming from the European bureaucratic group whose mandate is to prove AGW.
However Greenpeace and the SIerra Club have big pockets and that is where the funding for green lobbiests is coming from. I doubt we can stop the oil and electrical companies from funding them but we can stop the average citizen from donating.
Tor Hansson (11:55:18) : “We are looking at pragmatism in action. Extricating themselves from AGW alarmism will take all the finesse the Administration can muster. They’re working on it. They know the data are against them.”
They knew that the data were bogus from the start, Tor. They’ve just realized that word has gotten out. Next steps: (1) increase their propaganda outlay. (2) put the lid on dissent by shutting down all media that expose their lies.
“And please, just can all this Maobama nonsense. The guy is actually pretty moderate.”
Sorry, Tor, he’s appointed too many communists and socialists to important positions to be considered a moderate. He has relatives living under communism. He lied about illegal aliens and health care. He has ties to Acorn. He was mentored by a socialist. He couldn’t be doing a better job of wrecking the United States economy if he were Lenin, himself. That’s no moderate.
Not Amused (10:50:28) :
Well, if anything, this will give us more time to stuff our mattresses with cash before the politicians rape our wallets and bank accounts.
Um, that won’t work anymore. I used to work when “cash” was silver and gold. Now the politicians can “tax away the value” of the “fiat money” in your mattresses via inflation.
Yes, that is the proper way to view inflation. It is a “tax on cash holdings” via reduction of the purchasing power of the cash. It can be implemented without legislation and requires no tax collection to work. All that needs to happen is the Federal Government spends buckets of money it does not have. The printing press is all it takes… (Actually, less than that now. Most “money” today is bit settings in a computer. All that really needs to happen is that the Treasury increases the size of a value stored in their computer to say they have “printed” more money for congress to spend… then cut the checks. YOUR cash is then worth proportionately less.)
Imagine a world with 5 dollar bills and 5 beers (and each dollar changes hands one time per period). A beer is going to cost $1. Now somebody comes along with an ADDED $5… So $10 change hands for 5 beers. A beer now costs $2. That is exactly what happens with inflation. (Except instead of beer it is “aggregate goods and services” and instead of $5 it’s a few $Trillion and rising…)
Now I’m no “Gold Bug”, but the stuff is now at about $1200 / ounce and rising. (It was $300 not too long ago… 2 years?). But if you want to stuff your “cash” in the “mattress” I suggest one of: Yen, Swiss Francs, Australian Dollar, or perhaps the Brazilian Real or Canadian Dollar. (The last three being “resource currencies” where the economy is driven by Chinese demand for minerals et. al.).
Gold and Silver are volatile, but also reasonable choices for 10% up to 20% max. (Wait for the next “dip”… the chart looks like they come about month ends.)
The Euro is “ok” but a bit too manipulated for my tastes. Oh, and the British Pound is likely worse than most, but still beating the US Dollar… Heck, even the Mexican Peso rose more than 1% on Friday relative to the dollar…
see the chart.
There was always something that was always going to destroy anthropogenic climate change theory – the facts.
Climate Heretic (12:29:54) :
“…this will even more elevate chances the EPA to become the regulator of last resort. “
Unless the weather warms significantly between now and next November, I doubt the Obama administration will knowingly sabotage the economy to enact anything more than token steps at CO2 regulation (i.e. “Carbon Accounting” or other such cosmetic efforts).
To do anything more will surely piss off more voters than it pleases. At an official 10% plus, with real numbers at 15% plus, unemployment levels must be the primary focus of the administration over the next 12 months, otherwise they lose the senate and house in a big way.
Time for the Nobel Committee to consider a discount on or get a partial refund of the prize to Obama!
It’s not difficult to see why the alarmist parties in Canada are low in the polls.
Some of you will probably feel obliged to combat the amusing misinformation in the comments section below this article:
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“World a ‘long way’ from climate treaty, Harper says”
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20091115/Harper_APEC_091115/20091115?hub=TopStoriesV2
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Excerpt:
“”(There was) a pretty strong consensus at the meeting this morning that countries of the world remain a long way from a binding, legal treaty on climate change,” the prime minister said.
Harper pointed out that there are 3,000 “bracketed pieces of text” in the Copenhagen working document, which means there are thousands of issues that require further discussion.
“I don’t think that can be attributed to any one country,” he said. “There obviously are significant areas of disagreement.”
At the close of the summit on Sunday, the leaders released a statement that abandoned the idea of specific emission-reduction targets or even “aspirational goals,” the term once used by APEC leaders.
“We probably need to get our negotiators out of this morass of hundreds of pages and thousands of brackets of text and into looking at the big picture and coming to some agreement on some big picture items,” Harper said.”
How do you justify delaying the solution to a crisis, unless….it isn’t a crisis?
Tor Hansson –
“…The guy is actually pretty moderate.”
You might be able to get me to agree that MaObama is pragmatic. However, if you think he is moderate, you should put the pipe down.
jorgekafkazar:
Stop it already with your communist nonsense.
You are looking at an Administration that jumped the gun on the science, with its plate full of pressing economy issues. They would love to see AGW go away.
jorgekafkazar:
please explain to me how the Administration intends to shut down all dissenting media. Executive Powers through a War On CO2? Get real.