I always have to chuckle when somebody uses the phrase denier/delayer to label somebody for even the slightest transgression on climate /action/justice/activism/alarmism/pick a word.
Briefly, this appeared on Google News:
That was the original title of the piece. Somebody must have complained, because it didn’t last long: Look what The Guardian changed the title to:
Whether the hopes are fading or in “tatters”, it seems that the hope and climate change movement is falling apart.
“”” Tor Hansson (13:43:24) :
It’s all good George. Your post read as if you asked me to admire the American democratic process from afar. “””
Well no that wasn’t my intent Tor; and if it came across to you that way; My apology.
And no I do not imply that the way we do things in America is without fault; but it is in the end, the priviledge and responsibility of the citizens of the USA to do things the way the people want to; and I’ve seen enough history go by to believe that the American people want what is good for all peoples who want to enjoy this planet. It’s inevitable that mistakes will be made; but it is the intent that is morst important.
Hello George:
the quote from the car article was not about cash for clunkers. It was an article from Edmunds Marketwatch in 2008 that described how Americans were trading in vans and trucks for smaller passenger vehicles—presumably to save money on gas.
I’m not too down on the USPS by the way. They manage to get a letter cross-country in a couple of days for less than 50 cents or so, from anywhere to anywhere. Not too shabby when you think about it.
Maybe this is another reason for wanting a delay…
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/more-americans-going-hungry-report-20091117-ijva.html
There are a few interestings points I would like to bring up, regarding viewership and responses, in the C.C. context.
WUWT is more popular than any of its counterparts. Posters, commentors and traffic has made this site incredibly useful to bring many people together, share views and inform on current issues that is difficult to find in the main stream of media.
Go look at pro-AGW blog sites. Anthony provides quite a few links to them. The sites that allow comments, look like a ghost town. RC might be the best blog for alarmists to gather, but the activity there recently looks like a one man band, singing to an empty audience. Last I checked, There were 21 posts during the month of Nov. and only 4 comments. And not just RC, but every site I visited had little or no activity.
I’m sure some of you already know where I’m going with this, so ill just say it.
AGW views are dying.
WUWT gathers like-minded people that want to inform one another on issues that matter to them and share it with each other.
Unfortunately for some, the views expressed here are strongly against AGW and the politics behind it.
Those skeptical of AGW have been laughed at, ridiculed, put down, shunned, dismissed, and silenced.
The men and women who engage in this activity are too many to name. But I will name a few: Rudd, Revkin, Gore, Obama, Schmidt, Hansen, etc.
What I’m getting at is this. The leaders in power of govt, press and science, say we don’t exist. The science is settled.. etc.
So it is only natural that anyone defends supporters of AGW , will not feel welcome here.
You might not like the logic, but there it is.
If Climate Change (my dirty four letter word) was real and what we’re told is true, what happened to the support for it?
So why is it that being skeptical of AGW become so popular?
I think because science was never settled, and forums such as this one, strongly supported by its readers, know the difference between truth and b.s.
And around here we call b.s. when we smell it.
Reply: I’m not sure where you’re getting your counts. I just looked and RC had 292 comments on November posts and 753 comments on a post that went up 10/29 and I’m sure was active well into November. No, it doesn’t compare to the traffic around here, but let’s stick to facts as much as possible shall we-especially when they are so easily verified? ~ ctm
My bad, RC had 3 posts and 205 comments last I checked. I think it was the Telegraph that had 21 posts and 4 comments from their C.C. dept.
Sorry.
yeah. sorry. I wrote down my stats wrong. my bad.
Tor Hansson (15:29:23) :
Chillybean:
Is someone working on nuclear cars? I haven’t heard of it.
Al gore I think has solved this one. Apparently you just drill down a few KM next to an existing nuclear power station, extract a core and snap it into 50cm lengths and put them in your own Ford Chernobyl.
Tor Hansson (15:49:42) “I suspect that’s not going to work out so well for soccer moms, though.”
I haven’t met too many soccer moms who structure their lives to afford opportunity to think about this stuff:
http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/DRAFT_VaughanPL2009CO_TPM_SSD_LNC.htm
But if they like music, that’s similar.
Thanks for stirring the conversation Tor. Cheers, Paul.
Germans say: “0bama Lied.”
“Folks, some of you have got to realize that the vast majority of people do not share your political obsessions or worries about the Great Global Conspiracy.”
Uh, yes, 52% of Amerikkka has registered their opinion that I am utterly lost.
So, I returned to my hut, examined my assumptions, triple-checked the facts and reviewed the history as I’m able.
You are iexplicably pretentious and daft, be off and take your Tor with you.
Delayer-In-Chief, that’s actually a compliment, isn’t it?
“”” Tor Hansson (19:44:56) :
Hello George:
the quote from the car article was not about cash for clunkers. It was an article from Edmunds Marketwatch in 2008 that described how Americans were trading in vans and trucks for smaller passenger vehicles—presumably to save money on gas.
I’m not too down on the USPS by the way. They manage to get a letter cross-country in a couple of days for less than 50 cents or so, from anywhere to anywhere. Not too shabby when you think about it. “””
Well I wasn’t challenging the accuracy of your report; just adding one I had just recently heard. But the general phenomenon of replacing gas guzzlers with better and more economical gas users certainly is happening.
Every morning I have to hand my son a $20 bill to put gas in his Jeep Cherokee, to drive up the peninsula to San Francisco State. Last month when his was in the body shop, he drove my Ford Taurus, and got two round trips for my $20.
As to the USPS, the standard first class postage seems like a fair price; but they as much as tell you to your face; for first class, we guarantee to take the letter out of your hands; but after that the risk is on you. Now if you want to pay for Express mail, or certified mail or something else that costs $10 then we may deliver it in two or three days.
It used to be that the cost of first class postage guaranteed that they would deliver the letter; today you just hope that they do.
I never ever pay for more than first class postage; no registered mail or proof of receipt or any of those gimmics. If I have to have something delivered; then I go to Fed Ex or UPS; not the USPS.
Smokey (07:38:12) :
Germans say: “0bama Lied.”
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Wow – scary quote from that article:
“If the rest of the world were to follow the US example in their approach to fossil fuels, the oceans would not only heat up, but would probably soon begin to boil.”
Soon even …. yikes !!!!!
chillybean (02:13:08) “Ford Chernobyl”
useful