By IAN TALLEY
WASHINGTON — Key Senate Democrats Tuesday said it is unlikely there will be any more major committee action on climate-change legislation this year, the strongest indication yet that a comprehensive bill to cut greenhouse-gas emissions won’t be voted on until at least next year.
Although the Senate Environment Committee last week approved a version of the bill, the proposal will face strong revisions from moderate Democrats, particularly from senators on the Finance and Agriculture committees.
“It’s common understanding that climate-change legislation will not be brought up on the Senate floor and pass the Senate this year,” Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus said on the sidelines of a caucus lunch.
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“I wouldn’t want to bet my paycheck that all the relevant committees will report out legislation by the end of this year,” said Sen. Thomas Carper (D., Del.).
Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D., Mich.), who is leading an effort by moderate, heartland Democrats to protect manufacturing and agriculture industries, said committees were no longer under any timetables to produce legislation.
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Even Sen. John Kerry (D., Mass.), a climate-bill champion who last week said committees should have climate legislation processed by the end of the year, Tuesday backed off such expectations. “I don’t want to create artificial deadlines which get in the way of our being methodical about this,” he said.
Instead, Mr. Kerry said he is focused on getting the 60 votes necessary to pass controversial climate legislation — a higher margin than a simple majority and no mean feat. “The main thing to do here is to build the adequate base of support and consensus,” he said.
h/t to Dr. Benny Peiser
UN Sec-Gen Ban Ki Moon goes arm-twisting in Washington for a Copenhagen climate deal: click
…while calling the U.S. “deadbeats”: click
I was mildly surprised at the annual UN budget: $20 billion a year.
In a previous thread I commented on “I wonder how many today could grow their own food?” If EPA demands the cuts as advertised it will because of lack of electrical power cause the harsh reduction of affordable food for the nation. Can you think dried beans? we are surely headed for hard times for the next few years. This fight isn’t over. Until the people get hungry. Until the family can’t earn enough to heat and feed themselves and must choose between there will not be a true effort to stop this madness because the young of this country can’t remember a time with out TV, the Internet, electric lights, (I remember when they were turned on the first time in rural north Mississippi.) many families had only one vehicle and some had no vehicle. NO it will be only after the hard times come that the people will rise up and change the shape of our political powers that be. When other peoples money is no longer enough this madness will die.
Just my rant. It gives me a headache thinking of the possible harm to the masses. I fear for the common man and his family.
Bill Derryberry
Bill in Vigo.
If it gets that bad it will be too late. There’s more than 2.5 billion Chinese and Indians who won’t be sitting still waiting for the comeback of the United States.
Ron de Haan,
You are correct, they will not give up until their objectives are kicked to death on the ground. “They” being the invisible “wise” men like the Club of Rome (who elected them?), the IPCC (who elected them?), the various UN-appointed persons (again, who elected them?)
Apparently this wealth-redistribution tactic has failed, so I imagine migration will be the next gun to the head of the West.
Thomas J. Arnold. (09:13:55) : …not forgetting the gullible EU commission – who are more pro AGW than even the British!
No, Thomas, they are not gullible at all. This is how they make their living; and have for quite some years.
Michael (12:43:54) : …If only Turnbull didn’t represent the archetype climate change alarmist demographic…
Good ol’ Paper Mache, aka Malcolm Turnbull, did make a kinda half hearted protest yesterday, Michael.
jeez (19:11:02) :
That’s the National Security side of the equation. Weaken the US and the West that badly, and armies under the thumb of dictators will not lack for resolve.
It also must be weighing heavily on the President’s mind. Something has him doing quadruple-takes on Afghanistan.
Kill the Climate Bill, kill the Health Bill, and start doing an American production bill. Look at the store shelves. Flip the items over to see where they are coming from. It’s getting worse.
If the President can hold out for the other side of the coin (as in Eikenberry on Afghanistan), surely he is capable of holding out for the other side of the coin on Climate Change.
Like a bankrupt company that must tell the court how they plan on paying off thier debt, the US must present to China how it plans on restoring it’s financial house, or China will pull the plug on us.
The Climate Bill and Copenhagen, either one of them, will result in a US collapse. The buck stops at the President desk, for the day that it does not, it goes straight to the wastepaper basket.
Climate Change is for migratory birds.
“Mr. Kerry said he is focused on getting the 60 votes necessary to pass controversial climate legislation ”
Yeah, it takes 60 votes to get the bill to debate. It won’t go to vote until Reid is certain he has the votes to pass it, and he does not. It’s too close to midterm elections.
Now, we have what looks like a cruel winter shaping up. Nothing like a slushy to cool off vivid imaginations of burning skies.
/me reminds Anthony –with all respect and admiration– of his stated desire of a couple months ago to update the current status of the Surface Stations project. . . .
Doug in Seattle (17:34:41) :
The last thing Obama wants or needs is for the EPA to regulate greenhouse gasses under the Clean Air Act. That would put the blame for the collapse of American industry on him and his administration.
Point well taken. Similarly, his 1990 page healthcare take-over bill won’t detonate until 2013 either!
http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/11/health-care-reform-bill-opinions-contributors-david-gratzer.html
Jeez,
For some folks it is already that bad. Why do you think that the stimulus package was so unevenly distributed, check where the money went. I am glad that I am in a very rural community. When it gets bad I wouldn’t want to live in a large city or town. I really fear for the people of the country. After Katrina there were near food riots in some large cities in the Midwest and southeast due to fuel shortages delaying delivery of commodities to the cities due to lack of fuel.
It isn’t going to be pretty, In fact picking dried beans Saturday lol just to show the grandchildren how it used to be done. Should be fun.
Bill Derryberry
Zeke the Sneak (12:01:51) wrote:
“perfluorocarbons–help me out here, I think this is all refrigeration. What would life be without the ol’ ‘fridge?”
The teflon used in non-stick frying pans is one example of a perfluorocarbon. To the best of my knowledge, perfluorocarbons are not used as refrigerants.
rbateman (20:38:52) :
““Mr. Kerry said he is focused on getting the 60 votes necessary to pass controversial climate legislation ”
Yeah, it takes 60 votes to get the bill to debate. It won’t go to vote until Reid is certain he has the votes to pass it, and he does not. It’s too close to midterm elections.
Now, we have what looks like a cruel winter shaping up. Nothing like a slushy to cool off vivid imaginations of burning skies”.
This is how Reid thinks about fossil fuels.
“Coal makes us sick. Oil makes us sick. It’s global warming.
It’s ruining our country. It’s ruining our world.”
– Harry Reid,
U.S. Senate majority leader
From http://green-agenda.com
I remember the history lessons that educated me about the rise and downfalls of civilizations, the Big War, the Second World War and characters like Hitler, Stalin and the Emperor of Japan very well
These characters had scary idea’s and tactics that eventually killed millions of people. They were criminals
I remember that I was quite relieved to know this belonged all to the past and those criminal monsters were long dead.
Having served the Air Force protecting the border between Germany and the East Block, I was even more relieved when the Berlin Wall fell and the Cold War came to an end, only twenty years ago.
But now, in our time I realize that even bigger monsters than Stalin and Hitler have stood up and they are lining up for the biggest power grab in human history.
Historians often wonder how it was possible that Hitler came to power after he made his completely sick and disturbed doctrines public by publishing his book “Mein Kampf” years before he came to power.
Today individuals with much more disturbed views than Hitler, views about population control population reduction, the destruction of Capitalism and the Industrialized World, schemes that would dwarf the combined legacies from Hitler and Stalin put together, schemes that have been published in detail by the Club of Rome and the UN years ago, are now prominent members of the current US Administration, the UN and other Government Institutions World Wide.
This leaves me with the same inconvenient question that historians asked about Hitler?
How the hell is it possible that these characters have acquired their current power positions in our Administration and Government Institutions?
A deep heartfelt “thank you to everyone” who wrote to their congressman and / or senator, or in any other way took part in letting the voice of reason be heard, in spite of the near boycott of the truth by most media. To European readers : our American friends have showed us the way, the fight continues, let’s defeat this over here too.
APS fat cats stick to the sinking AGW bandwagon
“Bad news which is however hardly surprising.
The APS has prepared a negative response to the letter by 160 physicists (see:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/?s=APS+160+scientists) including Ivar Giaever and Will Happer who wanted the society to return to its scientific roots when it comes to the topic of climate change and who proposed a new climate policy statement.
What was the procedure leading to the official APS reply? The current APS chairwoman Ms Merry Cherry (or so) constructed a “reliable” six-person committee that was asked to recommend the APS Council what is the right way to respond.
Not too surprisingly, the committee recommended to say “No,” and the APS Council – whatever it means – “almost unanimously” decided to reject the proposal to update the APS statement on climate change on behalf of all the APS members.
The radical alarmist blogosphere started a new campaign to sling mud upon the authors of the proposed new APS policy statement. For example, the not-so-gentle men at a Nature alarmist blog think that Will Happer has been discredited because top scientist Al Gore effectively fired him back in 1993 when Gore was the U.S. vice-president.
That event must really weaken Happer’s credibility – especially because in a sane world, prominent scientist Will Happer would strongly influence these matters while Al Gore would be severely punished for his unacceptable political interventions to science.
Joshua B. Halpern of Howard University is also promoting an analysis that tries to show that most signatories of the letter are mature or older (what a sin!) and many of them even dare to prefer the Republican or Libertarian Party over the Democrat Party.
That must be the ultimate crime in the contemporary Obamaland and especially in the APS, right? Is it really hard to see that these climate “scientists” behave just like the brown shirts while Merry Cherry and Barack Obama are giving them a similar type of institutionalized backing as Adolf Hitler was giving to the brown shirts?”
http://motls.blogspot.com/2009/11/aps-fat-cats-stick-to-sinking-agw.html
As long as Government Institutions, the UN IPCC and organizations that represent our scientists stay in support of the AGW doctrine, we are not safe.
I am in full support of Will Happer who wants the APS to return to its scientific roots and I think his initiative should be extended to the UN IPCC, and any other scientific institution currently in support of AGW.
Only if we reach an agreement about the science we can put pressure on the political establishment.
Don’t underestimate the importance of such a process.
We need the official surrender of the AGW doctrine, otherwise we won’t be able to stop our policy makers destroying our economies.
Roger Carr (20:06:53) :
You are quite correct Roger.
It should have read;
“and not forgetting the alarmist eco-fascists of the European Commission, who want to use the AGW scam in order to browbeat all European Citizens into kowtowing to our mighty overlords, who are omniscient and omnipotent and will lead us into the promised land of plenty, where we are ‘free’ and do not/are not allowed to pollute the atmosphere with evil CO2. Having our best interests at heart, we the meek are dependent in our ovine submission to our betters and masters – who will do the thinking for us and tax us appropriately – all praise to the commission.”
“LarryF (21:10:33) :
The teflon used in non-stick frying pans is one example of a perfluorocarbon. To the best of my knowledge, perfluorocarbons are not used as refrigerants.
Well PFC has to be something essential to our modern standard of living, and and without which our economy couldn’t function. Otherwise the EPA wouldn’t want to regulate it.
So what else could it be? :-]
The Democrats may have thrown in the towel on the Climate Bill, but if so, they are must be the only one.
The propaganda machinery is making extra hours and it looks like there are no ethic standards anymore to push the propaganda.
Listen to this and get sick, just as I did:
http://dittosrush.blogspot.com/2009/11/rush-limbaugh-mmm-mmm-mmm-children-of.html
It is reported from The APEC Meeting (The APEC currently represents about 1/3 of the World Population and produces over 50% of the Global GDP.), currently underway, that the manufacturing of technology to prevent “Climate Change” is the way out of the current Global Economic Crises. We know a.o from the Red Neck Blog that the opposite is the case.
We only make money if we produce and sell an expensive car made from cheap coal energy and cheap steel. We can’t create value with high priced energy generation technologies that come with low energy output. It’s as simple as that.
But who explains that to our seriously confused world leaders?
We now live in times where legislation to cut back the use of fossil fuels is called “energy security”, where the destruction of millions and millions of jobs is called “the Green Job Generation” and “profit” has become a dirty word, unless you are working for the Government.
From another front: initiatives to boost teleconferencing to prevent business people from flying in order to save the environment! With all security issues which come with teleconferencing technology only a serious suicidal corporation would risk using this technology by it’s staff, especially when strategic market issues and technology is addressed.
You never know who is listening in on your conference, do you?
And besides that, who needs an Aircraft Industry if humanity is not going anywhere!
I wonder how the world will look like if all opportunities to generate “value” and make a few bucks are cut off?
I think the world is going to look like one big zoo and after some time it will start burning.
In the Netherlands the recent wave of application of solar panels has generated an entirely new wave of crime. It’s called Solar Panel Theft and it is on the rise.
I also heard the number of dope dealers, fire arms, hostage takings and human trafficking are on the rise as well.
That’s comforting information, especially if we know that in the USA currently at least 10 States are on the brink of bankruptcy and no longer be able to fund their Police Forces, their Schools and their Medical Services.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704402404574528403761438822.html
A must see video featuring Vaclav Klaus:
http://algorelied.com/?p=3086
Now you know why the European Political establishment hates him!
He is telling the truth.
Who are the biggest eco villains in the eyes of the left?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/poll/2009/oct/29/biggest-eco-villain-noughties
Pure arrogance:
http://heliogenic.blogspot.com/2009/11/shes-surprised-that-scientists-question.html
Churches join AGW propaganda wave, sound church bells 350 times before Copenhagen. They really are believers!
http://heliogenic.blogspot.com/2009/11/fellow-religionists.html
Speculation:
Experts think Washington could go a long way toward building confidence for a global climate deal if the United States put forth a specific proposal on how much money it would throw into an international pot (to bribe the Third World Countries).
http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2009/11/qa-how-will-u.html
“… maybe they are really just worried about their own jobs.”
Thank the Force for that! Representatives of the sovereign people should always be worried about their masters.
If predictions for a cold winter in the eastern U.S. verify–or at least for a prolonged spell of well-below normal temps for much of the country, and for greater snowfall totals than in the last few winters in the stretch of the I-95 Corridor from D.C to NYC (not saying a whole lot)–reality may have the last word.
But of course, ‘That’s not climate, that’s weather’. Bingo! weather is reality and climate is an abstract derivative.