During a Wednesday morning interview with statewide radio talk show host Aaron Flint on “Voices of Montana,” Dr. Steve Running said any climate change solution needs to involve all nations.
“We have to have all the major nations in agreement on future progress,” said Running.
Running is a co-author of the Nobel Prize winning Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and founder of the Climate Change Studies program at the University of Montana.
He added, “If the US passed a cap and trade and other countries did not, it wouldn’t work. It would ruin the US economy and it wouldn’t save the climate either. So this is a global issue, the global climate statistics are global in nature, global carbon emissions are global in nature, and we really have to have an international consensus of what to do. That is going to stretch our international diplomacy to its limit, there’s no doubt about that.”
Nonetheless, Running called on the United States to show leadership on the issue of addressing climate change, saying other countries will follow suit.
“Voices of Montana” is a Northern News Network talk show that airs statewide on more than a dozen radio stations each weekday morning.
CLICK TO LISTEN: Dr. Running on Cap and Trade legislation
Global governance is what this is about; limits on carbon use and emissions is but the first step.
Next will come carbon-equivalent taxes on alternative energy sources.
Cap & Trade absolutely will harm the economy. It also will feather the nests of Wall Street bankers and the various politico insiders. If something is going to be done, it is much better to have a corporate carbon tax with offsetting reductions to corporate income taxes rather than an easy to manipulate Cap & Trade scheme. Please contact your members in Congress.
I think the headline is misleading, although I wish it were true. It should include the initial word “Unilateral” or some such qualifier.
REPLY: I agree, and since the story is just a few minutes old, I’ve updated the headline, thanks for pointing it out. – A
Typical liberal pinhead:
1. We know other major countries are not going to do it.
2. It’s going to bankrupt us.
3. Let’s do it anyway and lead the lemmings off the cliff…
Everyone joining in on the fun won’t save us from economic devastation, it will simply add more countries to the list of bankruptcy applications.
Mark
I should add, I wouldn’t doubt if the typical liberal pinhead doesn’t already know this. The “green movement” is bent on killing economic growth in order to save Gaia. The governments are on board because that gives them the power they so desparately crave.
My thanks to Daniel and Ken for material used in this post. 😉
Mark
Could someone please tell me WHY we should believe the Chinese, if they went along with this stuff. You KNOW they are untrustworthy and would do whatever it took to get their economy ahead. Then there’s the Indians, more trustworthy, but not at all inclined to go along with our proposals. The whole thing is pointless.
Um? Have we forgotten about the premise? Cap and Trade is great…assuming theer exists a scientific basis for the thing we’re Capping and Trading in the first place!!!
Even if every country on Earth agreed to a C&T policy, that wouldn’t make the science correct.
You know, he’s almost there, but it’s always amazing how a supposedly intelligent man can ignore the obvious. Yes, it will ruin this country – and it will ruin us whether we jump off the cliff with other countries or not!!!
Not to mention that China and India have already announced that they’re not going for this nonsense, so this ship has already sailed.
I suppose this is an improvement of sorts – even the supporters are no longer trying to argue that this will help the economy by creating mythical “green jobs.”
Anthony failed to mention what Professor Running thinks about the current state of surface stations in the U.S. He states that the problem of bad stations was identified 20 years ago and has been fixed. Listen to the response yourself, a caller Lynn from Kalispell commented on the state of surface stations at 16:43 and Mr. Running gives his unfortunately hurried response. The mp3 is available at the following URL for one week only.
http://archive.northernbroadcasting.com/nbs/BergInTheMorningSeg2-Wednesday.mp3
REPLY: thanks for pointing that out – A
Face it. Humankind’s destiny is to burn up all available fossil fuels. If we don’t do it the more populace parts of the world will be happy to sop up what we don’t want to buy.
Well I still disagree with the headline. “Cap and trade would ruin the US economy.”
Is more accurate; but then that is not what Professor Running said is it. Incidently I have had discussions with him about trees and global warming. He seems like a nice guy. Also my Oceanography CO2 guru at Scripps, in La Jolla, knows Steve Running and says he’s a good guy; also asked me to apologise for him, to Dr Running, for siccing me on to him (Running that is).
If I was Running, I would be running from anything to do with the IPCC.
REPLY: Well I changed it yet again, I was aiming for a short headline, so I just used the whole quote now. No more changes
Wonder if this guy reads Montana newspapers. Wonder if he has yet to buy a snow shovel. Don’t bother. Montana is out of snowshovels and blowers are back ordered to year 2100.
http://thy-weapon-of-war.blogspot.com/2009/10/early-arrival-of-winter-earliest-snows.html
A point I made a week or two back; there WILL be an ‘equality of result’ imposed on us through fees or open ‘taxation’ of any alternate energy sources one happens to employ (e.g. solar), because, this is not just about ‘carbon footprints’ BUT control of our very lives …
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Ken Roberts (09:09:21) :
Carbon equivalence is why France is rated as a ‘high carbon’ country by the EU. Nuclear doesn’t count LOL
DaveE.
Yeah, what’s the big deal, anyway?
This is what:
Message from China to US… “What you worried about, What Me Worry?”.
You have plenty of Territory to trade with China for more cheap goods and loans.
And by the way, the site I referred to above is really bad, but the news articles on global climate in relation to Montana are often repeated at his site. When you visit websites such as the one above, it reminds you that ignorance and intelligence can live together in the oddest ways. It is what makes bigotry and ignorance appealing to many. It can sound and look intelligent. Something those of us who abhor bigotry and wish it gone would do well to remember.
If we lead, other countries will follow? Only if they’re curious to see the world’s leading economic power self destruct.
Montana is such a bell weather state. It sits in a climate zone that allows cold trends to show up there earlier than other places in the US. Notice how Arctic air invades the general area in a deep loop. Looking at trends across Montana is a place to look for early signs of climate trends that are coming our way in the lower 48.
Quoting Ayn Rand from Atlas Shrugged:
“Now you have placed modern industry, with its immense complexity of scientific precision, back into the power of unknowable demons- the unpredictable power of the arbitrary whims of hidden, ugly little bureaucrats. A farmer will not invest the effort of one summer if he’s unable to calculate his chances of a harvest. But you expect industrial giants-who plan in terms of decades, invest in terms of generations and undertake ninety-nine-year contracts-to continue to function and produce, not knowing what random caprice in the skull of what random official will descend upon them at what moment to demolish the whole of their effort.”
Why would any country follow our lead when it’s to thier advantage to let us fall on our economic sword?
The laughter around the roaring fireplaces in Beijing, Moscow, and other un-stupid capitals of the world cannot believe their good fortune. The US is proceeding to light itself on fire in protest. Yeah, we’ll show ’em.
Nonetheless, Running called on the United States to show leadership on the issue of […fill in the blank…], saying other countries will follow suit.
Because we all know that happens all the time. ;->
Paul
Tim McHenry (09:25:11) :
Know a few injuns, do ya, Tim
@Pamela Gray: “Montana is such a bell weather state…” Correct, but you might have meant “bellwether”, which can be defined as “a leading indicator”. However, I was assailed by mental images galore when I remembered that bellwether is a good old word from the old world meaning a castrated male sheep which is used to lead the flock. Now, of course this would not apply to the vast majority of Montana males, who are entire; but it could easily apply to the leading proponents of AGW.
Sitting here 3 miles from Professor Running’s office, it’s very difficult to restrain myself from going there and spray-painting “Wether” on his office door.
George E. Smith (09:39:41) :
Of course he’s a “nice guy”.
They all are.
Thst doesn’t mean that they are not naive, misled, ignorant, stupid, confused, bewildered, etc.
We do not have a sudden explosion of brilliant, talented, objective and dedicated climate scientists suddenly coming on to the market.
We have an explosion of the naive, misled, ignorant, stupid, confused, bewildered, etc. (not to mention the devious, the corrupt, the exploiters, the dishonest, etc, who can clean up by jumping on any passing bandwagon).
Steve Running has already thrown his stupid hat into the ring. He has no scientific credibililty and I see no point in featuring his outlandish views here.
Thanks,
Jack