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Dan S.
October 29, 2009 9:54 am

I’m just getting a static Community Channel screen.

October 29, 2009 9:58 am

Nice video. It says: “For more information, contact the Senate Recording Studio at 4-4977”.
Maybe they pulled the plug??
Took an extended recess??
None of our business??
The issue (science) is settled??
Put on indefininate hold??
REPLY: Lunch

October 29, 2009 10:29 am

I sure hope it was a carbon neutral lunch.

October 29, 2009 10:41 am

If a family of four exchanged their SUV for four bicycles, they would actually produce more CO2 per mile by cycling than they did when traveling in a modern sports utility vehicle.
For a comprehensive examination into how CO2 does NOT increase temperature get, CO2 The Debate Is Not Over, as a free .pdf download here
[snip – self promotion ]

October 29, 2009 10:48 am

While they’re out to lunch, here’s an interesting list to read: click
[They take long lunches.]

October 29, 2009 10:59 am

Don’t give them the credit by using their terminology. I hope they had the biggest juiciest steak cut from a black angus cow, raised on genetically modified corn and alfalfa. If not for today’s farming practices and advances in genetic engineering, herbicides and pesticides, the world would starve. Oh wait, that’s what they want to happen. There are too many people already according to the science Czar.

Ron de Haan
October 29, 2009 11:39 am

Despite the very poor sound I’ve just finished listening to two absolute morons who are clearly on the very wrong side of the equation and were complimenting the Kerry Boxter Bill.
Well we already know that their Utopia of a beatiful green fossil fuel free world in reality means armageddon for the American Middle Class and death by starvation for the Third World.
How long are the Americans going to take this.
It won’t be long before a choice has to be made.
The choice between Obama or the United States.

October 29, 2009 12:20 pm

Dr. Howard C. Hayden, Professor Emeritus of Physics, UConn nails it and bats it out of the park:
AGW is now a zombie. Somebody get a wooden stake.

October 29, 2009 12:24 pm

A funny clip of Senator Inhofe during yesterday’s hearings, in which Inhofe congratulates Senator Barbara Boxer for using the term Global Warming instead of Climate Change:

P Gosselin
October 29, 2009 12:44 pm

I watched for about 1.5 minutes and got bored.

October 29, 2009 1:01 pm

These “IGNORANT” US Politications are leading us down the road to “WORLD SOCIALISM”!!!!!
May sanity prevail and save us all!!!

Gene Nemetz
October 29, 2009 1:09 pm

I’m hearing too much talk about business and not enough about if manmade global warming from carbon is even happening.

October 29, 2009 1:09 pm

20 million jobs. blub… blub… blub.
Green Jobs … China has already beat us to it on the solar, and they want our ball-bearing technology and other key stuff to out-compete us.
Boxer was clueless, wondering where the 20 million jobs figure came from.
We’ll send a signal, said the other. Surely they will hear us now after 30 years of blowing us off.

October 29, 2009 1:11 pm

At least Inhofe got it. 9 years ago the natural warming cycle ended.
Unfortunately for the future of our children, the hot air problem came not from C02 emissions, it comes from the Agenda to pawn America to the lowest bidder.

October 29, 2009 1:39 pm

Why waste time talking science to politicians scientifically illiterate? That’s like if I talked to my kids about quantum physics and relativity… I certainly won’t be able to keep their attention for very long.
Because of the above, it is as clear as water (or as the atmosphere containing 350 ppm of CO2), that this is not about science but all to do with money… money from the tax payers to their corporate friends.

Steve in SC
October 29, 2009 2:10 pm

They are a pack of thieves.
I say hang them all.

October 29, 2009 2:12 pm

Seems to have just finished up. Bit of back and forth between Vonovich and Boxer over EPA report, earlier. Apparently the one for Waxman Markey isn’t even done yet

George E. Smith
October 29, 2009 2:24 pm

“”” Sophistry in politics (10:41:26) :
If a family of four exchanged their SUV for four bicycles, they would actually produce more CO2 per mile by cycling than they did when traveling in a modern sports utility vehicle. “””
I’d have a hard time believing that, SIP, my cycling friends say bicycles are just too efficient to be good exercise. One friend who bikes says if he ever swings his leg over the bar, and sits on his bike; he will not get off till he has gone 50 miles.
The four folks would be exhaling CO2 in either case; and the total horsepower for the SUV is way higher than that required to ride four bikes. I’m a lousy biker at my age, and I can do 10 mph without breaking a sweat.
But I’m sure you have some peer reviewed paper to support your contention.
Now in silicon valley we have a lot of people who are more used to bicycles of either the two in line, or the two side by side variety; and as it turns out they drive their SUVs the same way they ride those bikes.

George E. Smith
October 29, 2009 2:30 pm

I hope people understand that Senator Inhofe is about all that is standing in the way of the demise of the United States of America, under these politicians who are borderline criminally insane.
If you had anything to do with electing any of these Marxist Communists; then you are equally culpable; and history will judge you harshly.

October 29, 2009 2:49 pm

These people get paid to talk. Whether they actually SAY anything or not is irrelevant to them. Not irrelevant to the People.
I’m waiting for the Citizens of the USA to actually SAY something. So far all I hear is talk ( with a few notable exceptions that get drowned out ).

Hank Hancock
October 29, 2009 2:54 pm

I just finished listening to the stream. I have several observations:
1. The whole economic impact assessment of Tax and Trade is based on incomplete EPA models which Boxter asserts is reality despite differing analysis from industry representatives who are looking at real numbers. Small business refineries estimate a cost of over $100M with Tax and Trade out of a revenue stream of $35M. Boxter insists Tax and Trade will minimize the impact and, while the the small business presentation was good, the conclusion is wrong.
2. Environmentalists were successful in preventing the construction of newer more efficient and more environmentally friendly coal fire plants capable of adapting to carbon sequestration when the technology comes along in one or two decades. This forced the energy industry to keep the old, less efficient, and non-adaptable plants on line. I didn’t miss the accusations that the coal energy industry continues to abuse its use of older and dirtier energy production.
3. China has been in negotiations with Pennsylvania to build newer energy efficient coal fired plants in the U.S. Boxter says we can’t keep going down this road.
4. Sequestration is one to two decades away, natural gas production with current delivery systems is incapable of supplying a quick transition away from coal, environmentalists were successful in halting expansion of coal, nuclear power is a dead end. When asked where the energy is going to come from to serve the base load during the transition to renewables, the answer followed the line of American ingenuity will solve the problem and Tax and Trade will force it to happen.
What I got from the whole committee meeting was “don’t tell us there are problems, don’t speak of job losses, don’t suggest renewable energy can’t fill the gap, don’t use economic downturn as an excuse, and don’t point to failure of other countries to achieve goals with their own versions of tax and trade. Our models took all of that into consideration and predict plenty of energy, lower energy costs, more jobs, and an electric car in every garage.”
Yea right!

October 29, 2009 3:05 pm

Thought this was interesting. It is VERY signficant and it feeds back into the post on record cold temps. Dallas is at the edge of the nose of cold temps in OK. We’ve had several major “extratropical cyclones” the last few weeks as well.
1 7647 2009* (THROUGH 4 PM OCTOBER 29)
2 9302 1984
3 9587 1981
4 9621 2002
5 10340 1994

October 29, 2009 3:08 pm

I quoted the whole thing below. I think this deserves its own post.
1 7647 2009* (THROUGH 4 PM OCTOBER 29)
2 9302 1984
3 9587 1981
4 9621 2002
5 10340 1994

October 29, 2009 3:46 pm

Goreacle wants to squeeze this scary treat in before the bears are gonzo. Always listen to Goreacle; it’s OT?
Note this is filed by MSM under “Weird News”.
” Polar bear patrol escorts Hudson Bay trick-or-treaters
CHURCHILL, Man. – Most trick-or-treaters are well-versed in Halloween safety: travel in groups, wear colourful clothing and only stop at brightly lit homes.
The drill is slightly different, however, for kids in a remote Manitoba town on Hudson Bay.
Youngsters in Churchill are warned not to dress in furry white costumes, to steer clear of baited traps stuffed with seal meat and to listen for the tell-tale sound of fireworks.
That’s because these candy-seekers have more to worry about than ghosts and goblins. They need to avoid a different kind of predator on Halloween – the polar bear.
In Churchill – known as the polar bear capital of the world – Halloween falls smack in the middle of the busiest time for the iconic mammals. The bears are restlessly wandering around as they wait for cooler temperatures so they can head out onto the frozen winter ice.
Add to that streets crawling with about 300 trick-or-treaters and their tasty bags of treats. The combination could be deadly. ” (more)

Doug in Seattle
October 29, 2009 3:48 pm

The Obama administration says it will follow the science. Unfortunately the “science” they are following is past its “use before” date.
The models have changed little in the 30 years since they were built and the assumptions have long since been shown to be faulty. But the politicians spent a lot of public money on the models and can’t bring themselves to admit they are crap. The modelers know the models are crap and won’t admit it because that means the end of the gravy train and the engine has been stoked to full steam.

Gene Nemetz
October 29, 2009 5:42 pm

All the while Colorado, Wyoming, Nebraska, Idaho, Montana, Utah, New Mexico, North and South Dakota, and Kansas—and moving east— have been getting dumped on by snow–IN OCTOBER!
Yesterday :
Click animation :

October 29, 2009 8:43 pm

Mark my words: If they succeed in passing this Waxman-Markey madness, it will add 10 years onto the time necessary to salavge the Economy.
I believe the 20 million jobs estimated that it will cost us is a conservative figure.
The Great Depression had it’s Dust Bowl, we are now staring at a Cold Bowl.
Only this time, we are not the America of the 30’s able to rely upon our own means. That America was pawned off.
Don’t let them do it to us again.

Gene Nemetz
October 29, 2009 11:08 pm

trailer to Climate Chains. Seems to fit perfectly in this thread :

Tom in Florida
October 30, 2009 10:30 am

Since it was the EPA that forced the use of catalyctic converters on cars, and since those catalyctic converters were made to produce “harmless” CO2, and since CO2 is now designated as a pollutant by the very same EPA, shouldn’t the EPA order the immediate disuse of all catalyctic converters on cars? Doesn’t it go against all logic that the EPA would continue to allow a now “known pollutant” to be produced and emitted, even though that production was a result of their own previous orders?

Gene Nemetz
November 1, 2009 1:54 am

I just clicked on the live feed. Nothing is on. And just when I had a taste for politics at 1:52am. Good thing clocks get turned back 1 hour ten minutes from now. I’ll get an additional hour of unsatisfied hunger for politics.

Gail Combs
November 2, 2009 5:07 am

Cap and trade is just the final nail driven into the coffin of the former United States of America. Most of the politicians and the Federal Reserve Bankers of the past century should be up on charges of treason or at least be charged with violating the Logan Act.
We Americans have one or two weapons left. Vote in a third party who will wipe out the idiotic laws that have been passed and nullify bad treaties. Even a state has the ability to nullify a treaty.
“ A treaty can be nullified by a statute passed by the U.S. Congress (or by a sovereign State or States if Congress refuses to do so), when the State deems a treaty the performance of a treaty is self-destructive. The law of self-preservation overrules the law of obligation in others… “This [Supreme] Court has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the Constitution over a treaty.” – Reid v. Covert, October 1956, 354 U.S. 1, at pg 17. .
For those who have not looked at the wider picture, the following explains exactly how bad off the USA is and the actions that killed our country. Other countries have been the victims of the banking/corporate cartels too.
“I am amazed that the US government, in the midst of the worst financial crises ever, is content for short-selling to drive down the asset prices that the government is trying to support….The bald fact is that the combination of ignorance, negligence, and ideology that permitted the crisis to happen still prevails and is blocking any remedy. Either the people in power in Washington and the financial community are total dimwits or they are manipulating an opportunity to redistribute wealth from taxpayers, equity owners and pension funds to the financial sector.” Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury
Stewart Dougherty, a specialist in inferential analysis, agrees. It is now “statistically impossible for the United States to pay its obligations”.
And here is an explanation how the Fed controls boom and bust cycles to their benefit:
America has been quietly sold off piece by piece. This shows the industries with over 50% foreign ownership
A real eye opener isn’t it. But it gets worse. The Department of Homeland Security says 80% of our ports are operated by Foreigners and they are buying and running US bridges and toll roads.
Statistics showed in 1990, before WTO was ratified, Foreign ownership of U.S. assets amounted to 33% of U.S. GDP. By 2002 this had increased to over 70% of U.S. GDP.
We can trace the demise of the USA as well as other countries directly to the doors of the central banks.
What is the Federal Reserve and What is its Purpose?
“Some people think the Federal Reserve Banks are United States Government institutions. They are not Government institutions. They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers and rich and predatory money lenders.”…
“Mr. Chairman, when the Federal reserve act was passed the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up… that this country was to supply financial power to an international superstate–a superstate controlled by International bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the world for their own pleasure.” — Louis McFadden, chairman of the House Banking and Currency Committee June 10, 1932
Excerpts :
The financial instability of the US dollar and the US economy has not gone unnoticed over seas
The global creditors for the US Treasury Bonds are so angry at the past suffered losses, the prospect of deep future losses, and the corruption laced throughout the US financial system, that they have hired third parties to kill off the US$-gold platforms,
“The Germans have demanded that gold bullion held in US custodial accounts be returned to their owners, with physical gold shipped back to Germany… In all likelihood, neither US nor London sources are in possession of all the gold held.. So an uproar could come soon with charges of gold bullion theft”
“Hong Kong is pulling all its physical gold holdings from depositories in London, transferring them to a high-security depository newly built at the city’s airport, in a move that won praise from local traders Thursday.”
“US Dollar Reserve Currency Status Now Officially Up For Debate Ahead of G8 This Week”
A former respected member of international banking, John Perkins, said in “Confessions of an Economic Hit Man” and interviews, that the American banks and IMF had the IMF lend bankrupting countries the money (US and EU taxes) to pay off the American bank loans.
The IMF/World Bank loans come with strings called Structural Adjustment Policies “Although SAPs are designed for individual countries but have common guiding principles and features which include export-led growth; privatisation and liberalisation… SAPs often result in deep cuts in programmes like education, health and social care… By devaluing the currency and simultaneously removing price controls, the immediate effect of a SAP is.. that riots are a frequent result.”
The last nail is the complete take over of the world food supply by the food cartel: Cargill, Louis Dreyfus , Bunge and Born, André, (all privately owned) Nestlé, Unilever, Philip Morris. ConAgra, and ADM/Töpfer They already control over 80% of the world food supply but they want complete control.
Today in the USA nearly ¾ of all farm sales are from Corporate farms. 75% of the small farmers in Mexico are gone, 60% in Portugal and farmers are suiciding every 8 hours in India.
All of this was planned decades ago. A history and the final bill now in Congress are outlined in the article at
The fight against the regulation of small farmers/home gardeners has been a real eye opener. Seems the Activist groups like Organic Consumers and Food and Water Watch have ties to the Rockefeller foundations. Also Maude Barlow a “no dog in this fight” Canadian, is a director of both Organic Consumers Assoc and Food & Water Watch. Barlow has been handsomely rewarded for selling the US consumer out with an appointment as New Senior Advisor to the UN president on October 21, 2008.
Maurice Strong and the United Nations came up with the brilliant idea of using NGOs to control political activists. NGOs are funded by the likes of the Rockefellers and offer non-voting memberships. Leadership is well trained to herd the activists in the direction the UN/Bankers?corporate Cartel actually wants using the “Delphi technique”
In one radical manual, Educating for the New World Order, the author stresses the need to achieve the appearance of group or community participation in decision making processes, giving the illusion of “consensus” while in reality there is a predetermined conclusion toward which the facilitator guides the group. This tactic is known as the “Delphi technique”. This manipulation allows the leader – ostensibly a neutral voice – to telescope conflicting ideas into a limited time frame for discussion and leave the room with a “consensus” that the leader takes back to the main committee as an agreement among the parties.

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