Operation ice bridge in Antarctica

While we have no mention in press of the record amounts of ice for the entire Antarctic continent as shown here, scientists are focusing on the one part of the continent that seems to get all the press. No word yet on whether Ted Scambos has a statement prepared already for the press.
From a press release of:

Peering under the ice of a collapsing polar coast

Low-level aerial surveys aim to understand rapid Antarctic melting

IMAGE: The cabin of a DC-8 aircraft has been converted for instruments and engineers.

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Starting this month, a giant NASA DC-8 aircraft loaded with geophysical instruments and scientists will buzz at low level over the coasts of West Antarctica, where ice sheets are collapsing at a pace far beyond what scientists expected a few years ago. The flights, dubbed Operation Ice Bridge, are an effort by NASA in cooperation with university researchers to image what is happening on, and under, the ice, in order to estimate future sea-level rises that might result.

Since 2003, laser measurements of ice surfaces from NASA’s ICESat satellite have shown that vast ice masses in Greenland and West Antarctica are thinning and flowing quickly seaward. Last month, a report in the journal Nature based on the satellite’s measurements showed that some parts of the Antarctic area to be surveyed have been sinking 9 meters (27) feet a year; in 2002, one great glacial ice shelf jutting from land over the ocean on the Antarctic Peninsula simply disintegrated and floated away within days.

IMAGE: Antarctica’ Larsen Ice Shelf has deteriorated in recent years, and it is one target of the flights.

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NASA’s satellite reaches the end of its life this year, and another will not go up until 2015; in the interim, Operation Ice Bridge flights will continue and expand upon the satellite mission. In addition to lasers, the plane will carry penetrating radars to measure snow cover and the thickness of ice to bedrock, and a gravity-measuring system run by Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory that will, for the first time, plot the geometry and depth of ocean waters under the ice shelves. The gravity study is seen as key because many scientists believe warm ocean currents may be the main force pulling the ice sheets seaward, melting the undersides of ice shelves and thus removing the buttresses that hold back the far greater masses of ice on land.

“What our colleagues see from modeling of these glaciers is that warm ocean water is providing the thermal energy to melt the ice,” said Lamont geophysicist Michael Studinger, a co-leader of the gravity team who will be on some of the flights. “To really understand how the glaciers are going to behave, we need the firsthand measurements of water shape and depth.” Earlier this year, an icebreaker cruise co-led by another Lamont scientist, Stan Jacobs, sent an automated submarine to look under the region’s Pine Island Glacier, which has been moving forward rapidly in recent years. Its bed, where the ice contacts rock, is below sea level, and scientists are concerned about what would happen if a sudden large movement were to introduce seawater underneath. The plane flights, over some six weeks starting Oct. 15, are aimed at providing a wider-scale picture of Pine Island and other targets.

IMAGE: Ice shelves, extending from land over the ocean, form the ends of many Antarctic glaciers, making them vulnerable to warm ocean currents. Radar signals can measure the depth of ice,…

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For each of some 17 flights, the 157-foot DC-8–too big for runways on Antarctic bases–will make an 11-hour round trip from Punta Arenas, Chile, with two-thirds of each trip spent getting to Antarctica. There, the plane will fly survey lines as low as 1,000 feet, some of them along sinuous glacial valleys that may test the nerves of both pilots and scientists. Some flights will investigate the region’s open sea ice, which also seems to be in decline. The campaign will cost about $7 million.

“We learned how fast the ice sheets are changing from NASA satellites,” said Lamont geophysicist Robin Bell, who is helping lead the project. “These flights are a unique opportunity to see through the ice, and address the question of why the ice sheets are changing.”

“A remarkable change is happening on Earth, truly one of the biggest changes in environmental conditions since the end of the ice age,” said Tom Wagner, cryosphere program scientist at NASA headquarters in Washington. “It’s not an easy thing to observe, let alone predict what might happen next. Studies like this one are key.”

Investigators from the University of Washington and University of Kansas will run their own suites of instruments. The scientists and engineers will narrate the progress of the mission on several blogs, including one hosted by NASA, and another by Lamont, as well as via twitter.

Wesbite here: http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/blog/category/ice-bridge/

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wws
October 8, 2009 8:30 am

They’re not even bothering to hide the fact that they’re just making this stuff up. I guess they think they don’t need to.
I’ll let someone else pick apart the obvious logical contradiction inside Tom Wagner’s statement at the end. Scientist, feh.

P Wilson
October 8, 2009 8:32 am

record amount of ice but only for the record, “A remarkable change is happening on Earth, truly one of the biggest changes in environmental conditions since the end of the ice age,”
That could be called ‘paranoid delusion’ to raise funds for some rather unecceary research. However, Greenland is thickening at the interior which naturally sends glaciers outwards. Only The latter is then taken up by alarmists as signs of the whole place melting. Its actally the opposite scenario.

Doug in Seattle
October 8, 2009 8:34 am

“ice sheets are collapsing at a pace far beyond what scientists expected”
Must keep repeating!
“ice sheets are collapsing at a pace far beyond what scientists expected”
Must keep repreating!
“ice sheets are collapsing at a pace far beyond what scientists expected”
Say it three times and it become truth!

woodNfish
October 8, 2009 8:38 am

“…vast ice masses in Greenland and West Antarctica are thinning and flowing quickly seaward.”
I hope columbia u alumni concerned about these outright lies are refusing to give money to the university when it comes begging.

October 8, 2009 8:48 am

Seems like the theme here is “measure locally, extrapolate globally”.
I hope they’re not implying warm undercurrents continent wide, because that would fly in the face of slowly increasing sea ice extent.

Telboy
October 8, 2009 8:48 am

“plot the geometry and depth of ocean waters under the ice shelves”
Interesting use of the word ‘geometry’…
“some flights will investigate the region’s open sea ice, which also seems to be in decline.”
It’s a good time to do that at the beginning of the Antarctic summer.

william
October 8, 2009 8:56 am

I would not classify the statements as outright lies or damn the researchers for doing the study. They may succeed in unveiling some part of the truth and contribute to understanding Antartica and it’s glaciers. Let’s all try to keep an open mind about our limited understanding about climate and not assign pernicious motivations to all those doing science in these areas of study.

Dusty
October 8, 2009 8:58 am

Doug in Seattle (08:34:26) :
“ice sheets are collapsing at a pace far beyond what scientists expected”
Must keep repeating! ….
Say it three times and it become truth!
——-
I only need it to be said once to believe the scientists need to be replaced with new scientists.

Greg, San Diego, CA
October 8, 2009 8:59 am

Wow – what great timing for this useless exercise. The satellite is still up and working, but they will begin this “research” on October 15 for six weeks (ending near the end of November). Do you think that they will be able to generate their worst case scenario “report” before Copenhagen in December ??
I’ll wager a bet that they will !!

Bob H.
October 8, 2009 9:06 am

“warm ocean currents may be the main force pulling the ice sheets seaward, melting the undersides of ice shelves and thus removing the buttresses that hold back the far greater masses of ice on land”.
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but how does a floating ice sheet hold back the ice on land? I suppose it’s too much to hope the author will engage his/her brain and apply a bit of logic before writing the next scary story.

Frank K.
October 8, 2009 9:09 am

For those (USA) taxpayers keeping track at home, here’s how much this research is costing us…
http://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward.do?AwardNumber=0619457
Awarded Amount to Date: $1966795
http://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward.do?AwardNumber=0632292
Awarded Amount to Date: $1394771

Terryskinner
October 8, 2009 9:14 am

Another story about melting glaciers. This only has any relevance to AGW if it really relates to prospective rises in sea level. But a glacier is simply a frozen river. Water from a melting glacier is simply river water entering the ocean.
But there are a lot of unfrozen rivers around the planet and it is well known that lots and lots of these rivers no longer discharge anything like as much water into the ocean because of human use.
We now have waters locked up behind dams and spread around cities and farmland (and garden lawns and golfcourses). My question is: Has any study been done to estimate how much less river water now reaches the ocean compared to say 100 years ago?
As far as I can see from living at the seaside there is so far no trace of sealevel rise. So long as any extra glacier melt (if there really is extra glacier melt) does not exceed the loss of river flow to the ocean we will not be facing any sealevel rise even if there really is some Global Warming. We might actually see a little sealevel fall.

October 8, 2009 9:20 am

“For each of some 17 flights, the 157-foot DC-8–too big for runways on Antarctic bases–will make an 11-hour round trip from Punta Arenas, Chile, with two-thirds of each trip spent getting to Antarctica.”
= x tons of CO2?

October 8, 2009 9:23 am

“…where ice sheets are collapsing at a pace far beyond what scientists expected a few years ago.”
IWTWT

Richard111
October 8, 2009 9:27 am

Seems like they know what they are looking for. [/sark]

October 8, 2009 9:36 am

CHUCKLE !!!!!!!!!
“some flights will investigate the region’s open sea ice, which also seems to be in decline.”
That sounds like “joy riding” !!!

Dusty
October 8, 2009 9:46 am

Tom in Texas (09:20:33) :
“For each of some 17 flights, the 157-foot DC-8–too big for runways on Antarctic bases–will make an 11-hour round trip from Punta Arenas, Chile, with two-thirds of each trip spent getting to Antarctica.”
= x tons of CO2?
——–
+
= x number of DC-8’s not making the 2/3’s of the trip back to Chile.

K-Bob
October 8, 2009 9:49 am

re: william (08:56:47) :
I agree with your assessment that some new evidence of how the antarctic ice shelves are changing might be discovered. But………..the problem with the press release is so common with most of these “scientific endeavors”, is that the researchers have already stated what their conclusions are going to be. Do you not find statements made by Tom Wagner a little disconcerting? Climate related observations and measurements we are now taking are covering very short time spans. Typically 30 years or less. I would guess far less with the Antarctic. How can we draw such dramatic conclusions (ie sea level changes, etc) without a longer view?

Tod Wiley
October 8, 2009 10:07 am

“Starting this month, a giant NASA DC-8 aircraft loaded with geophysical instruments and scientists will buzz at low level over the coasts of West Antarctica, where ice sheets are collapsing at a pace far beyond what scientists expected a few years ago.”
So, are there going to be flights over the coasts of East Antarctica, where ice sheets are growing at a pace far beyond what scientists expected a few years ago.”?

Ron de Haan
October 8, 2009 10:15 am

All that waste of money feeding the propaganda machinery!

October 8, 2009 10:19 am

“It’s far better than we thought!”
😛

P Gosselin
October 8, 2009 10:25 am

I knew it was just a question of time before seeing this headline:
http://www.damocles-eu.org/research/Arctic_sea_ice_extent_third_lowest_on_record.shtml
Yes, more is actually less.

Josh
October 8, 2009 10:28 am

Antarctica is a continent comprising something like 14 million square kilometers of area. Climate is uniform over that entire area. Most of Antarctica is cooling and ice is thickening over most of the continent. What could be causing areas in West Antarctica or the Antarctic Peninsula to be melting since we know CO2 is not to blame? Undersea volcanism? Terrestrial volcanism? Shifting wind currents? Shifting ocean currents? Hopefully these scientists will uncover some true scientific answers, because we know CO2 has nothing to do with it.

Mark
October 8, 2009 10:29 am

The west Antarctic is loaded with volcanos or vents. I recall a map once posted in WUWT that listed all of them. It would be nice if this map could be posted more often when the west Antarctic comes up.

P Gosselin
October 8, 2009 10:32 am

Concerncing the link I posted above:
“…because temperatures through the summer were relatively cooler due to cloudy skies, according to The National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC). The Chukchi and Beaufort seas were especially cool compared to 2007. Winds also tended to disperse the ice pack over a larger region.”
Then why didn’t all those climate modellers take that into account when they made their August projections? They were all way off the mark.
Clearly, as Antarctica shows, they are all engaged in propoganda, and not in science.

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