"Global warming creates volatility. I feel it when I’m flying"

From Planet Gore: Sen. Debbie Stabenow, Energy Leader [Henry Payne]

from http://stabenow.senate.gov/

Detroit, Mich. — Michigan just experienced its coldest July on record; global temperatures haven’t risen in more than a decade; Great Lakes water levels have resumed their 30-year cyclical rise (contrary to a decade of media scare stories that they were drying up due to global warming), and polls show that climate change doesn’t even make a list of Michigan voters’ top-ten concerns.

Yet in an interview with the Detroit News Monday (a private meeting with the DN editorial board), Senator Debbie Stabenow (D., Mich.) — recently appointed to the Senate Energy Committee — made clear that fighting the climate crisis is her top priority.

“Climate change is very real,” she confessed as she embraced cap and trade’s massive tax increase on Michigan industry — at the same time claiming, against all the evidence, that it would not lead to an increase in manufacturing costs or energy prices. “Global warming creates volatility. I feel it when I’m flying. The storms are more volatile. We are paying the price in more hurricanes and tornadoes.”

And there are sea monsters in Lake Michigan. I can feel them when I’m boating.


Since Stabenow says Global warming causes more hurricanes and tornadoes, lets have a look at the data.

tornado_graph.gif

Graph from NWS/NOAA. Smaller (F1) tornadoes seem to be on the increase, but not larger ones.

Even though tornado reports seem to be on the rise, the larger damaging tornados, F2-F5 don’t seem to be. There are some good reasons for this, and it might be a good primer for readers to revisit this report I made about the issue of tornado reporting:

Increasing tornadoes or better information gathering?

On the issue of Hurricanes, even USA Today is beginning to have doubts:

excerpt:

The official start of the hurricane season is June 1. And not since 1992 — the year of Hurricane Andrew — has the Atlantic Ocean been silent past Aug. 4. Meteorologists have yet to name even a single tropical storm in the Atlantic in 2009.

So is global warming really doing anything?

“While it is commonly thought that global warming would increase hurricane activity, that is far from a settled issue,” said Rob Eisenson, a meteorologist at Western Connecticut State University. “There are some research studies that suggest global warming would not have that effect.”

NOAA has lowered their hurricane season forecast.

And Accumulated Cyclone Energy is quite low so far this year and lower than usual last year:

Ryan Maue of Florida State University writes in comments in a previous WUWT story:

Global (Northern Hemisphere) tropical cyclone ACE for the months May – June – July is the lowest in at least the past 30-years or more.

I, for one, am not surprised.  Continued inactivity should persist for the next few weeks until the atmosphere catches up with the radiative warming of the tropical oceans due to the season called summer.

2007 was a dud.   2008 was saved from being a record year by 2007.  2009 is behind the pace of both years.  Amazing how natural variability affects tropical cyclone formation, tracks, and intensity.  Who would have thought?

Ryan’s Tropical web page at Florida State University has this graph that shows accumulated cyclone energy (ACE) :

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Sorted monthly data: Text File

Note where 2009 is in the scheme of things.

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Jeff L
August 11, 2009 4:14 pm

Reading that people like this are running our country makes me volatile. I feel it when I am voting you and all others incapable of scientific thought out of office.

Madman
August 11, 2009 4:15 pm

Unfortunately, the ability to get elected does not correlate well with understanding of economics and science.

Dr A Burns
August 11, 2009 4:15 pm

I’d love to hear a politician or an alarmist try to explain this (error bars are IPCC’s claimed accuracy):

Carlton your doorman
August 11, 2009 4:23 pm

Politicians are making a very bad mess in America. I feel it every time I see an elderly person yelling at a politician.

astronmr20
August 11, 2009 4:27 pm

Incredible.
These are the people we elected to make policy.
I just can’t handle it anymore…

August 11, 2009 4:27 pm

One thing I have learned from the Town Halls, how laughably stupid the congressional clunkers really are.

August 11, 2009 4:28 pm

The total lack of scientific understanding, political posturing and outright lying by our politicians is sickening. I didn’t vote for her, and after reading what she said, my gut instinct was correct.

jnicklin
August 11, 2009 4:30 pm

You see what you look for. Before Uncle Al and his buddy Jimmy Hansen got on their bandwagon, people didn’t notice killer storms and bad weather. Heat waves were a fact of nature. The rise and fall of the Great Lakes were natural cycles. Now people are primed to see every departure from a flat line as proof of looming catastrophe.
The only volativity in the system seems to come from elected officials and their hangers-on.

Carlton your doorman
August 11, 2009 4:31 pm

Politicians are taking America in a bad direction. I feel it every time I see a Union thug out in front of a town hall meeting pull a man out of a wheel chair, push him to the ground, and kick him a few times.
”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””’
The current epoch of politicians are not listening to the people. No one really cares about global warming except the politicians and extreme environmentalists with no life.
America has elections. We can get new politicians.

Robert Wood
August 11, 2009 4:32 pm

Can I call this woman a bevil ditch? She is either stupid, not likely, or deliberately dishonest – much more likely for a politico.
If so, then why is she lying? Clearly, she must be in the pay of big government 😉

David Corcoran
August 11, 2009 4:35 pm

Too bad for the economically depressed state of Michigan that Senator Stabenow’s #1 priority isn’t JOBS!

Carlton your doorman
August 11, 2009 4:37 pm

Robert Wood (16:32:15) : Clearly, she must be in the pay of big government 😉
Now there is a big pay assertion I believe.

August 11, 2009 4:40 pm

Touchy feely reaches new heights of pusillanimity. Congress is a laughing stock. I feel it when I observe their antics. Anybody who voted for this moron should be beating themselves up right now. There are millions of more qualified potential Congresspersons in Michigan than Debbie “Rough Rider” Stabenow.

August 11, 2009 4:41 pm

[snip – OTT]

August 11, 2009 4:46 pm

I am ashamed to admit that I reside in the Great State of Michigan. I, at least, have some solace in knowing that I did not vote for Dumb Debbie.

L. C. Burgundy
August 11, 2009 4:48 pm

Senator Stabenow is a total embarrassment to the state of Michigan. I have not heard this woman say one intelligent thing ever. The woman might actually be as vapid and without substance as Senator Boxer, if such a thing is possible.

Carlton your doorman
August 11, 2009 4:49 pm

David Corcoran (16:35:18) :
Too bad for the economically depressed state of Michigan that Senator Stabenow’s #1 priority isn’t JOBS!
Look at all the signs behind her. It is her priority.
But it is not productive jobs. It is ‘Green Jobs’ she wants to bring to Michigan. The paycheck of a green job is paid by the government. Billions have been allocated to President Obama’s Green Czar for Green Jobs.
As of yet there have been no green jobs created. But this politician must be setting things up to have Michigan be an outlet for this government program. Politicians have been sending oodles of welfare money to Detroit for a long time now. This new Green Jobs program will probably come to Michigan through the same channels that welfare has been coming to Michigan for all these years—maybe even to some of the same people who’ve been getting welfare.

August 11, 2009 4:53 pm

“The hands you are in are your very own”
This woman is lying her way through her career.
End it at the ballot box.

Rick,Michigan
August 11, 2009 4:55 pm

Look, I’m really sorry about her. We try to keep her contained to Michigan, but she sometimes sneaks out when our guards aren’t watching. Her and that other weirdo Levin we have to put up with.
We’ll try to do better in a year or so. As long as the union thugs don’t get too active.

Woody
August 11, 2009 5:01 pm

“Global warming creates volatility. I feel it when I’m flying.”
Wow, if only we knew years ago that Senator Stabinow had such a sensitive, um, backside and could literally sense global warming through the vibrations in her airplane seat, she could have saved the entire world billions of dollars in applied science and research.
The Global Warming Butt-o-Meter. Now I’ve heard everything.

K
August 11, 2009 5:05 pm

Madman brought up an important point that more people should consider. The skills of getting elected should not be mistaken for the skills of governing or decision making.
And primaries are where the poor choices must be eliminated. By election day it is often too late.
IMO we had a dismal choice last November as neither candidate seemed likely to do a good job. But that is an opinion, another might think both were able or one was.

SteveSadlov
August 11, 2009 5:07 pm

She needs to take Cold Fronts 101.
Perhaps we also need to take away universal suffrage and raise the requirements to stand for election.

hunter
August 11, 2009 5:08 pm

She can ‘feel’ AGW?
That is perhpas one of the most accidentally revealing claims about AGW.
It is, indeed, a feeling.

ujagoff
August 11, 2009 5:10 pm

You feel it when you fly?
We hear it when you speak.
It’s hot air.
Taxes won’t make planes fly more smoothly.

Sean
August 11, 2009 5:11 pm

Please, give the Senator from MI more credit. The unemployment rate in MI is over 15.4% and the economic recession has led to a large drop in CO2 emmissions in the US. How many members of congress can say they are delivering results on their number one priority?

JimB
August 11, 2009 5:12 pm

Can you imagine the Town Hall meetings if they were to hold them with Cap N Trade as the question du jour?
Stupidity creates volatility. I feel it every time I hear a politician speak.
JimB
p.s. Carlton…love the nick.

james allison
August 11, 2009 5:12 pm

Most citizens are not stupid and if they bother to listen to stuff pollies say they do so with a healthy amount of skepticism. I would be more concerned for the US’s immediate future if she came out with the statement “AGW is actually a gigantic scam – I ask people to stop believing in it now”.

Richard deSousa
August 11, 2009 5:16 pm

It doesn’t take much intelligence to be a politician. Unfortunately, it doesn’t take much intelligence to be a climate scientist either. Birds of a feather flock together.

Paul Vaughan
August 11, 2009 5:22 pm

Reason for the volatility:
http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/ClimateRegimeChangePoints.PNG

REPLY:
Paul do you have a paper or essay to go with that plot? – Anthony

Nelson
August 11, 2009 5:25 pm

Maybe she is just dedicated to having Michigan be a leader in reducing emissions…by having every dirty manufacturing job that is left in the state leave. How ironic that she is framed above by people holding up signs saying “JOBS!” in the state that leads the nation in unemployment. I guess she sees an extra $2bn in cash-for-clunkers as enough of a diversion to keep her constituents from noticing the cap-and-trade knife that she is holding behind her back and will use to cut their collective throats. A fitting sacrifice to be laid on the Green Altar of Lord Obama.

Pamela Gray
August 11, 2009 5:25 pm

This is just as nutty as politicians who pray that “God” will “show me a way, show me a way”. There are nuts on both sides of the color line. One side believes in a nice boogyman, the other believes in a not nice boogyman. I would love to design a new litmus test for politicians and appointed persons. I won’t say what it is here because it is sure to offend. But I think one day it will be necessary to finally divorce ourselves from religiosity of all kinds in order to defend our individual freedoms from an oppressive government.

John F. Hultquist
August 11, 2009 5:30 pm

Congress folk apparently spend a great deal of time and whatever brain-power they have raising money for the next election cycle. They have to taylor everything they say to match the wishes of those they seek contributions from. Large amounts of money are needed because campaigns are not cheap. The rewards include influence, power, and the potential to make great sums of money. Compare the wealth of Bill Clinton when he first ran for office and now. Or Al Gore – a little different because of being a senator’s son –back when, and now that he is an oracle and businessman.
Here is a relatively recent article on the subject:
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2009/06/recently-reelected-senators-ge.html
If you think these folks are reading science, economics, and health care material – think again! Ask one about fund raising – this they know about.

David S
August 11, 2009 5:32 pm

” There are millions of more qualified potential Congresspersons in Michigan than Debbie “Rough Rider” Stabenow”
Jeeze you could pick a drunk off the street and do better.
Government is run by criminals. The TARP bill should be ample proof of that. The politicians took $700 billion from the taxpayers and gave it to the crooked bankers who caused our current financial mess. I was calling TARP the biggest theft in history but now I have to call it the second biggest theft in history. It seems the Federal Reserve has handed out over $1 trillion of our money to finacial institutions and won’t even tell us who they gave it to. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=armOzfkwtCA4
And yet the crooks in government are fighting the Federal Reserve Sunshine Act S-604 (HR-1207) which would require an audit of the Fed by the GAO. Who are they serving; us or the big bankers?

Curiousgeorge
August 11, 2009 5:33 pm

Well we don’t feel that sort of thing down here in Dixie. I reckon it’s cause we’re clinging to our guns and assume it’s recoil. 🙂

Robert Wood
August 11, 2009 5:33 pm

MikeD,
This congress now has the “disillusioned” problem solved. There are no disillusioned; all the voters for this woman are getting fed monies now, The USA has been reduced to a corporatist state. Only the government supporters get government money; the rest have money taken away.
Sorry for the politics on this great web site. You are welcome to delete moderator.
[REPLY – I think you overstate things considerably, but I’ll allow it as it is short, and this is a somewhat political thread (and you’re far from the worst transgressor). But, people of all political persuasions, please do not go overboard. ~ Evan]

Alan Drennan
August 11, 2009 5:34 pm

[snip – OTT]

Bruce Cobb
August 11, 2009 5:35 pm

With the sort of volatility she feels during flying, perhaps Ms. Stabenow just needs an upgrade on her broom. She might do better with the Nimbus 2001, or even the Firebolt. “Climate change is very real”. Duh. Who said it wasn’t?

crosspatch
August 11, 2009 5:42 pm

Where do the political parties find morons like this and why do people vote for them?

Lance
August 11, 2009 5:51 pm

Woody (17:01:46) : – butt-o-meter
great comment buddy!
Politicians, what we we do without them….

Gary Hladik
August 11, 2009 5:52 pm

We may or may not get the government we deserve. We certainly get the government we’ve earned.

August 11, 2009 5:56 pm

“Global warming creates volatility. I feel it when I’m flying.”
If only the house hadn’t cancelled the new luxury jets — I understand they’re more comfortable during global warming volatility.

August 11, 2009 5:57 pm

D’ya think flying gives her gas and she’s mistaking it for global warming? I mean, it’s possible…stranger things have happened.

H.R.
August 11, 2009 6:05 pm

From the article: “Global warming creates volatility. I feel it when I’m flying. The storms are more volatile. We are paying the price in more hurricanes and tornadoes.”
If ever she’s called out for making such a goofy statement, no doubt she’ll say she was misquoted as part of a vast right-wing conspiracy to ruin her credibility.
“Yeah. That’s the ticket. I’m not really that brainless. It’s a vast right-wing conspiracy. That’s the ticket, yeah.”
Another person who should be immediately entered into the Witless Protection Program. Sigh…

Allen63
August 11, 2009 6:13 pm

Based on published IQ scores, most members of the house and senate are only moderately more intelligent than normal (definitely not brilliant). And, few are educated in science and engineering. Nothing to be ashamed of, but nothing special.
Most are intellectually unable to do more than parrot the “party line” when it comes to the serious problems of the day. And, most probably do not have the self confidence to accept a contrarian or “skeptical” fact on its own merits.
Based on recent events, even financial bookkeeping is a “stretch”. Long term, its the “financial cost” of AGW mitigation that will kill the AGW movement’s efforts to enact legislation — not the “science”.
Nonetheless, sites like this one provide some of the scientific information that supports the few true “intellectuals” in the House and Senate that “deny” AGW. By their efforts, the most onerous AGW legislation will be delayed until the “true costs” be come well enough known to kill the legislation. In my opinion, of course.

Katlab
August 11, 2009 6:15 pm

Off topic — I just read over at the Huffington Post, that a group called the Color of Change, is going after advertisers on the Glenn Beck program for calling Obama a racist. I feel it is about much more than that. It is about suppression of free speech. He has been fearless in calling out climate alarmists.
So far three advertisers have caved, Progressive, Geico and Proctor and Gamble.

CodeTech
August 11, 2009 6:17 pm

crosspatch, it’s really simple… “these people” are completely unemployable in the private sector, thus they HAVE to get elected to government positions or they’d be serving fries somewhere (and screwing that up too).
There are no words to accurately convey how I feel about this woman (and others like her, and those who swallow this whole steaming pile of…)… well, actually there ARE words, but I know they’d be snipped.
For now, I will be satisfied to observe that this woman is stupid. Nothing more, nothing less. Just stupid. But in that, she is not alone.

Curiousgeorge
August 11, 2009 6:17 pm

[snip – best not go there! ~ Evan]

Ack
August 11, 2009 6:20 pm

“Climate change is very real” Of course the climate is changing, some years it goes up, some years it goes down. As for tornadoes, i suspect only a fraction were reported in 1950.

August 11, 2009 6:21 pm

“Global warming creates volatility. I feel it when I’m flying. The storms are more volatile. We are paying the price in more hurricanes and tornadoes.”

“Yeah, and those polar bears sure do look sick. Neveryoumind that I have no veterinary training whatsoever to make such a qualification.”
Polar bears went on the endangered species list, not because their population was in danger, but because their population seemed to be in danger. From what I understand (and I could be wrong), some eco-idiot thought a polar bear looked hungry, ergo it was hungry. Thus it was spread as fact what someone thought, just like the stupid Senator Debbie Stabenow. Since facts are a climate change advocate’s worst nightmare, you have nothing left but what you think.
Another question. How many hurricanes strike Michigan? When was the last time someone said, “Michigan is ground zero for hurricanes”? It is like saying the Caribbean is getting more snow storms. I’ve seen schizophrenics make more sense. Like the sometimes funny comedian Bill Engval says, here is your sign.

MI=wasagreatstate
August 11, 2009 6:32 pm

I am so sad about the condition of my great state, with any luck at all ..we can ride our self’s of people like Debbie.
low brow person, surrounded by deceptive convincing people, giving misinformation to the people
with any luck at all we should be able to break this cycle

Editor
August 11, 2009 6:33 pm

Long term, its the “financial cost” of AGW mitigation that will kill the AGW movement’s efforts to enact legislation — not the “science”.
I agree with that.
But, heck, if the cost of mitigation were a few measly $bil., I’d not be against it, as the precautionary principle would then apply.
But the reality is that mitigation costs are heinous and would indirectly result in far, far more death and misery than even a bad-scenario GW outcome. Besides, only wealth will defeat pollution, and to destroy wealth on the scale proposed is to cut the legs out from under environmentalism writ large.

timetochooseagain
August 11, 2009 6:36 pm

There is some serious entertainment value here. I say that we should keep her around just for the laughs.
But it’s up to the Michiganers (Michigonians? Michiganites?).

timetochooseagain
August 11, 2009 6:42 pm

How’s about this?
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/20090811_tropical.html
The latest study on Atlantic Hurricane Frequency. A version of which is here:
ftp://ftp.gfdl.noaa.gov/pub/gav/PAPERS/LVBK_08_SHORTSTORMS.submitted.pdf

Curiousgeorge
August 11, 2009 6:42 pm

Ok Evan. 🙂 On a serious note, I wonder how many here have tried to plow their way thru Waxman-Markey? And that’s not the only bill that has climate change language in it. A search of Thomas will turn up over 200 proposed or in work bills that use global warming/climate change as an excuse to implement various taxes and fees under the radar, or set up additional bureaucracy, regulations, appropriations for various special interests, etc. All of which will be paid for by you and me. Even if Waxman-Markey gets axed, that is not the end of it.

crosspatch
August 11, 2009 6:52 pm

“Polar bears went on the endangered species list, not because their population was in danger, but because their population seemed to be in danger.”
I think they went on the “threatened” list, not the endangered list but I could be wrong. The reasoning was because climate models indicate they might be endangered in 50 years, if I remember correctly.
At some point we are all endangered. 96% of all species that have ever existed on the planet are currently extinct.

August 11, 2009 6:52 pm

I’m an amateur radio operator and have participated in storm spotting. Common sense tells me that with more people living in more places with more types of communications available that more tornadoes are being eye witnessed and therefore being reported. Having taken Skywarn training numerous times I have learned that people are capable of reporting the wrong thing and being mistaken as to what they are seeing.

Patrick Davis
August 11, 2009 7:01 pm

“Carlton your doorman (16:49:47) :
Look at all the signs behind her. It is her priority.
But it is not productive jobs. It is ‘Green Jobs’ she wants to bring to Michigan. The paycheck of a green job is paid by the government. Billions have been allocated to President Obama’s Green Czar for Green Jobs.
As of yet there have been no green jobs created. But this politician must be setting things up to have Michigan be an outlet for this government program. Politicians have been sending oodles of welfare money to Detroit for a long time now. This new Green Jobs program will probably come to Michigan through the same channels that welfare has been coming to Michigan for all these years—maybe even to some of the same people who’ve been getting welfare.”
We have an similar example of this “Govn’t funded” jobs already, Venusuela and Chavez. Well, they are in fact “red” jobs, paying many to make little red t-shirts for people to wear at his rallies.

rbateman
August 11, 2009 7:11 pm

So, in more plain English, this person has dedicated her term to pretending to do something about nothing.
Sandbagging to a higher calling.

August 11, 2009 7:23 pm

But Pamela,
Ecotheism IS their religion: This IS their Crusade for the love of Gaia and all her trees, rocks, polar bears and penguins!
They are not only mixing religion with politics, but are mixing religion (their version is ecotheim) with control over YOUR life, economics, science, and morals with their propaganda.

Bobby Lane
August 11, 2009 7:26 pm

Pamela Gray (17:25:36) wrote: “But I think one day it will be necessary to finally divorce ourselves from religiosity of all kinds in order to defend our individual freedoms from an oppressive government.”
I think you are mistaken there, Pam. The reason AGW shows up as more religion than science is because even those who have divorced themselves from ‘traditional ideas’ about God need something larger than just themselves to believe in, even if they want to run that ‘something.’ Mankind is incurably religious. The Founding Fathers did not write in a litmus test and, in fact, forbade the government from establishing a national church precisely BECAUSE they realized that without religious freedom there is no freedom at all. God is our highest of ideas and ideals. So, to sum up, if AGW is indeed really a religion with a science-based veneer, then technically speaking it is (or will be if the Climate Bill, aka Waxman-Markey passes) in violation of the First Amendment. Whether it is already in violation, given the pervasiveness of it already in existing law and regulations, is a more interesting debate than how we get to “no religions allowed.” That latter will never, ever happen.

Milwaukee Bob
August 11, 2009 7:29 pm

The whole upper Mid-west has gone to pot!
Herb Kohl and Russ Feingold – Wisconsin, Debbie Stabenow and Carl Levin – Michigan, Amy Klobuchar and The Clown – Minnesota.
But I saw it coming so I moved to California.
Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein – – – – So I moved to Florida.
Bill Nelson and Mel Martinez – – – – Hey don’t blame it on me, i didn’t vote for any of them, including Mel (because I knew he was a RINO) and at least he’s retiring early.
and Evan, that’s not how “they” see it. There was a report out today stating it is going to be MORE difficult to grow crops BECAUSE of GW so, OH MY! how are we going feed 9 billion people in a few years…. They see it as costing MORE if we do nothing. At least that’s the party line. But I’m SURE the above mentioned brilliant Senators will come up with a tax and spend plan that will “save” us all from – – – – – from ourselves!

crosspatch
August 11, 2009 7:30 pm

Michigan is in serious economic trouble. A politician will say whatever is required to bring in (yet more) federal money. She probably feels she must say the “correct” thing in order to stay in the good graces of those who dole out our money.
There is a Michigan blogger (a mechanical engineering professor at Oakland University) who posted an example of the arrogance of these people. They (some agency in Michigan) were talking about extended unemployment benefits and the lack of state funds. It was sort of a FAQ format thing. The question was along the lines of “what happens when the state runs out of money”. They answer was that “we already have run out of money but we will borrow from the federal government who has an unlimited supply.
That goes a long way to showing the mindset of these people. They believe the federal government has an “unlimited supply” of money yet pay no attention to where that money might come from. Their actions and their words convey the notion that they believe our money is really their money and we should be thankful that we are allowed to keep as much as we do.

RayB
August 11, 2009 7:49 pm

I would like to ask Debbie how her climate change feels different than perhaps a Bond event or my favorite, the Younger-Dryas Stadial. THAT is climate change.
Much like here in WI, there are a lot of good common sense folks in MI, but the union members and D voting city people outnumber us at the polls and we end up with people like Debbie S and Russ Feingold as representatives. Golly.

Editor
August 11, 2009 8:18 pm

and Evan, that’s not how “they” see it.
I know, I know. (“They” see it pretty much the opposite of how I see it.)

savethesharks
August 11, 2009 8:45 pm

“Global warming creates volatility. I feel it when I’m flying. The storms are more volatile.”
WOW. That is right up their with her colleague Waxman “waxing stupidly” about the North Pole “evaporating”. LMAO

She feels it when she’s flying??
Perhaps the good senator should lose some weight….and maybe help cut down on the turbulence.
Certainly if she and other SUPERSIZE climate angels (such as Al Gore) cut back on the calories….they would cut back on wasted air fuel.
FACT: Because of LARGE America today….airlines spend MILLIONS more on additional fuel for the additional weight they are transporting through the troposphere.
More fuel = more exhaust = more pollution!
Even for Al Gore’s private jet.
Seems like a double or triple standard to me.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA

mr.artday
August 11, 2009 9:02 pm

I have it on good authority, i.e. Houston Smith, identified by Bill Moyers as America’s leading scholar of comparative religion, that all cultures yet discovered on this planet have at least one religion. It’s part of who we are. If you think that Christianity is some sort of menace or problem, you have been listening to too many lierals (sic). I like to ask people who denigrate Christians who they would prefer to invest their life savings with: Someone who thought that everything he did was recorded and that he would have to answer for his bad behavior, or, someone who thought it was only bad if you got caught. The facial and mental and verbal squirming that question produces is high comedy.

mkurbo
August 11, 2009 9:06 pm

These folks (senators and congressman) are so out of touch that it is mind numbing to read some of the comments they make…
This is unreal ! Its like some type of national meltdown over facts vs. main stream media fiction.

Mike Bryant
August 11, 2009 9:06 pm

Global warming creates assininity. I feel it when they’re lying. The lies are more monumental.

CodeTech
August 11, 2009 9:20 pm

Mr Artday, I was going to pose a similar question. I grew up going to church (although I have no interest now), and I’d rather deal with ANY of my parents’ peer group who believe they will eventually answer to a higher power than someone who doesn’t.
And Mike Bryant, not only are the lies more monumental, but they are swallowed hook, line, sinker, rod, reel, boat.

pwl
August 11, 2009 9:21 pm

“Global warming creates volatility. I feel it when I’m flying. The storms are more volatile. We are paying the price in more hurricanes and tornadoes.”
Scary.
Sounds like you are paying the price for not having even an minimum level of science based education in elected leaders and the general population.
Shivers.

J.Hansford
August 11, 2009 9:30 pm

AGW has nothing to do with Science, and everything to do with Politics.
Welcome to the weird world of Eco Socialism funded by a tax on the air you breath out.
If you could go back in time and tell Isaac Asimov about this, he wouldn’t believe you… George Orwell on the other hand, wouldn’t be at all surprised.
Sigh…..

timetochooseagain
August 11, 2009 9:42 pm

Milwaukee Bob (19:29:13) : Yes, Mel is retiring, but he will almost certainly be replced by (drum roll) Governor Charlie Crist! Crist is as big a fool about AGW as McCain…
As a Floridian, I have to say I really miss Jeb…

Claude Harvey
August 11, 2009 9:47 pm

Senator Dianne Feinstein (Dem. CA) can also feel it in HER bones (I’m not sure if it happens when she’s flying). The following was a part of her response to a complaint about the proposed climate change bill I sent to all 100 of our esteemed senate leaders. I received not a single response from any U.S. Senator acknowledging skepticism of AGW. The vast majority did not even acknowledge receipt of my missive.
From the Senator:
“I believe that there is convincing scientific evidence that global warming is happening and has already begun to change the world as we know it. Eight of the Earth’s nine warmest years on record have occurred since 2001, and these rising temperatures are shrinking snow packs and glaciers, changing patterns of drought and flooding, and increasing the frequency and intensity of wildfires.”
Sincerely yours,
Dianne Feinstein
United States Senator
Senator Feinstein appears have to applied “sophisticated statistical adjustments” to the temperature data, possibly involving the extensive use of “new math”. Get out your wallets, boys and girls!
CH

rbateman
August 11, 2009 9:48 pm

mkurbo (21:06:10) :
These folks (senators and congressman) are so out of touch that it is mind numbing to read some of the comments they make…

I’ve seen people treated with shock therapy that made more sense.
Maybe they aren’t even human/ They were synthesized in labs and replaced the real folks, like in the movies.

Mike from Canmore
August 11, 2009 9:59 pm

I’m sure her focus is on jobs. Lest we forget the $900,000 green homes that don’t work.
http://www.businessinsider.com/off-the-grid-solar-powered-home-victim-of-sabotage-2009-5.
Looks like a Kansas tornado magnet to me. And a bad one at that.

Jeremy
August 11, 2009 10:12 pm

People incapable of critical thinking skills in elected positions create bad representation, I can feel it when morons like this open their mouths.

p.g.sharrow "PG"
August 11, 2009 10:16 pm

One should be very careful about close contact with politicians, they carry a diease of infectious stupidity. Most people’s resistance to the diease is lost after two years of close contact with those infected. An interesting result is when a crowd ( three or more ) get together, the group IQ is lower then the lowest in the group.
Just an observation of over 50 years of close study of the breed.

savethesharks
August 11, 2009 10:43 pm

Wrong link….
This is the right one:

August 11, 2009 11:57 pm

“PG”
My belief is that the UK Parliament collectively has a lower IQ than a bowl of mixed salad, which probably explains why they are the first Govt in the world to enshrine climate action into law in the belief they can lead the rest of the world away from something that isn’t happening-AGW.
“H.L.Mencken wrote:The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”
Tonyb

Mark Fawcett
August 12, 2009 12:13 am

Bobby Lane (19:26:29) :

I think you are mistaken there, Pam. The reason AGW shows up as more religion than science is because even those who have divorced themselves from ‘traditional ideas’ about God need something larger than just themselves to believe in, even if they want to run that ’something.’ Mankind is incurably religious.

Agreed – I’d recommend “The God Delusion” by Richard Dawkins as a rather good read on this subject – simply replace any reference to ‘theist’ with ‘agwist’ and the parallels are just spooky.
Cheers
Mark.

D. King
August 12, 2009 12:32 am

rbateman (21:48:53) :
Maybe they aren’t even human/ They were synthesized in labs and replaced the real folks, like in the movies
Yep….Pod people. Don’t go to sleep!
Hey, when did nightmares become less scary than reality???

Patrick Davis
August 12, 2009 12:34 am

“TonyB (23:57:58) :
“PG”
My belief is that the UK Parliament collectively has a lower IQ than a bowl of mixed salad, which probably explains why they are the first Govt in the world to enshrine climate action into law in the belief they can lead the rest of the world away from something that isn’t happening-AGW.
Tonyb”
I wouldn’t give then that much credit in the IQ department TBH. Reminds me of something;
“…a whale falling through space along side a bowl of petunias…”
The whale is trying to work stuff out, like what rymes with round and the bowl of petunias says to itself “Oh no, not again!”

Paul Vaughan
August 12, 2009 1:18 am

Paul Vaughan (17:22:42)
Reason for the volatility:
http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/ClimateRegimeChangePoints.PNG
REPLY: Paul do you have a paper or essay to go with that plot? – Anthony


Anthony,
There is a connection with:
a) Figures 7 & 8 in:
Abarca del Rio, R.; Gambis, D.; Salstein, D.; Nelson, P.; & Dai, A. (2003). Solar activity and earth rotation variability. Journal of Geodynamics 36, 423-443.
http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/adai/papers/Abarca_delRio_etal_JGeodyn03.pdf
b) Figure 2 in:
Trenberth, K.E. & Stepaniak, D.P. (2001). Indices of El Nino Evolution. Journal of Climate 14, 1697-1701.
http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/Trenberth/trenberth.papers/tniJC.pdf
c) Wilson, Ian (2008). Which came first? The chicken or the egg?
http://www.lavoisier.com.au/articles/greenhouse-science/solar-cycles/IanwilsonForum2008.pdf
d) other tangents in the literature (some of which are partial &/or incomplete (& susceptible to being very seriously misunderstood by harsh critics)).
Without any warning whatsoever, I had access to 100s of my files blocked (3 years-worth). Within 15 days of presenting a related finding, my funding was slashed.
These people mean business.
Rage Against the Machine reminds us in “Testify”:
“Who controls the past now, controls the future,
Who controls the present now, controls the past,
Who controls the past now, controls the future,
Who controls the present now?
If you have the power to link me to secure & stable funding (it will take 5 years I estimate) and a PhD supervisor who is willing to supervise via online/distance education, I am positioned to use this machete to start hacking a pathway through the thicket of bullshit & lies.
Regards,
Paul.

Jimmy Haigh
August 12, 2009 1:31 am

savethesharks (22:43:47) :
Oh dear. Waxman really flying his colours there. As someone mentioned above, these people couldn’t get a job in the real world.

Pierre Gosselin
August 12, 2009 1:40 am

The normally respectable German newspaper DIE WELT has reached a new low in journalism. Yesterday, August 11, it had a story with the headline and claims:
SUMMER 2009 IS DEVASTATING FOR THE ARCTIC.
1. In July alone 106,000 sq km of ice melted daily!
2. Every 3 days an ice area the size of Germany disappears!
3. In Northwest Canada children were swimming in 30°C Arctic Ocean.
4. A new sea ice low is possible in September…
And on it goes.
DIE WELT quotes a Dr Walt Meier of the NSIDC.

Pierre Gosselin
August 12, 2009 1:42 am

The ice cap is holding down tundra?
Is there a future for the western civilsation, I ask.

ralph ellis
August 12, 2009 1:46 am

Duhhh!
The recent rise in the number of tornados spotted is directly proportional to the rise in telephone installations and Storm Chasing. More interest and more people with telephones equals more reports.
Back in the ’50s a farmer would come home and say “Hey, Martha, saw a couple of twisters on the ranch today”, and only two people would know or care about it.
.
Its like this comment from a Channel 4 documentary.
“””The astonishing truth is that Britain has more tornadoes per square mile than any other country in the world.”””
http://www.channel4.com/science/microsites/T/tornado/index.html
No, the less than astonishing truth is we have more people per square mile to spot them.
P.S. British ‘tornados’ are largely F1s, or perhaps F0.5s.
.

ralph ellis
August 12, 2009 1:52 am

>>>The USA has been reduced to a corporatist state.
>>>Only the government supporters get government
>>>money; the rest have money taken away.
Hey, you have that situation too? The only people in the UK with a secure job and pension are in the government, which controls a huge and growing swathe of the national output, while everyone else is heading for the dole queue.
The ‘One Worlders’ seem to have everything sewn up.

DaveE
August 12, 2009 1:53 am

She must have got hold of the good stuff! 😉
Can I have some?
DaveE.

Lex
August 12, 2009 1:56 am

We have the same kind of politicians in the Netherlands. It is a part of democracy. Sometimes it makes you laugh, sometimes its worrying and sometimes you have got to think about it.
It is the same as with children, they keep your brains fit!

David Corcoran
August 12, 2009 2:09 am

Carlton your doorman (16:49:47) :
Look at all the signs behind her. It is her priority.

Carlton, the thread article quotes an interview where she…
“made clear that fighting the climate crisis is her top priority.”
In this economy, and especially in Michigan, jobs should be her top priority.

Patrick Davis
August 12, 2009 4:39 am

Looks like our astute Australia “leaders” are going to vote for CPRS, carbon pollution reduction system (Or Emissions Trading Scheme in Eurospeak and “cap and trade” in US speak).
The actual vote happens tomorrow, but the slimy pollies are “hinting” for agreement with compromise. Bit like their gilt edge pension funds, they voted for it, we pay for it. Now there’s a compromise!

Michael T
August 12, 2009 4:49 am

We have similar phenomena here in UK – they are called Hillary Benn and Ed Milliband. Gordon Brown probably feels like a one-eyed man in the kingdom of the blind.
Pierre Gosselin (01:40:11)
Suggest to the Die Welt experts that they take a look here http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icecover.uk.php
and here
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/AMSRE_Sea_Ice_Extent.png
Good luck…

DAV
August 12, 2009 5:06 am

” I feel it when I’m flying.”
Harry Chapin felt it too when flying his taxi. I thought smoking on flights was banned.

Tony Hansen
August 12, 2009 5:16 am

re: sea monsters in Lake Michigan
And I thought I already had enough to worry about when fishing from (very) small boats.

Tim S.
August 12, 2009 5:29 am

I had respect for Stab’emnow when she voted against the bankster bailout last fall. That respect is now gone.

Charlie
August 12, 2009 5:35 am

Too bad there aren’t elections every year. Between her, Levin and congressman Stupak, Michigan is doomed. Oh yeah, then there is our wonderful state legislature and governor who I’m sure will end up shutting down the state again this fall when they can’t come to grips with the fact that they don’t have any money to do next years budget.
But they are all about the green jobs. You know the green jobs that need $200k to $1.5M in subsidies and result in the loss of ~2.2 jobs in other sectors (numbers off the top of my head from the study of Spains green jobs, so they might not be exactly right). So the four manufacturing jobs that I managed to help create last year at no cost to the government will be replaced by 1.8 jobs at a cost of $360k to $2.7M taxpayer dollars.
And they wonder why people show up to the town hall meetings and TEA party protests and are angry.
And yes, I’ve written to my senators and congressman regarding cap&tax. Apparently I’m an idiot according to all of them.

August 12, 2009 5:39 am

[snip OTT]

Tyler
August 12, 2009 5:46 am

Why is Debbie Stabenow a US Senator? — The Idiocracy has begun.
Brawndo, It’s got what plants crave!

John W.
August 12, 2009 5:48 am

timetochooseagain (18:36:00) :
There is some serious entertainment value here. I say that we should keep her around just for the laughs.
But it’s up to the Michiganers (Michigonians? Michiganites?).

It’s “Michiganders.”
And if YOU want to keep her around for entertainment value, we’ll be happy to ship her to YOUR place. She, Levin and Granholm (the Three Stooges) have done quite enough damage to Michigan.

Nogw
August 12, 2009 5:53 am

Human beings are incapable of changing anything in nature, because of dimension, but perfectly able to ruin their own small life and its closer environment and not anything else.
But this issue of climate change and/or global warming has become a real psychic pandemia. It should be analyzed and treated as a health problem and as such, to seek to stop its propagation. If you do not do something in this respect you will suffer the consequences of it. This is a serious matter for you. We know this as foreing bloggers at WUWT and expectators of this peculiar madness.

Steve Keohane
August 12, 2009 6:30 am

Pamela Gray (17:25:36) We already have a litmus test, covered in detail in ‘The Life of Brian’. Simply submerge each politician in a tank of water, if they don’t drown they are witches and should be burned. End of problem.
On a more serious note, I would like to see a system where people only serve in politics with reluctance. Politics should be a means to an end; a media, not the message.
With Mr. Waxman surfacing again in comments, my thoughts on his effectiveness, http://i44.tinypic.com/2062dk0.jpg

DaveE
August 12, 2009 7:13 am

On a more serious note, I would like to see a system where people only serve in politics with reluctance. Politics should be a means to an end; a media, not the message.
Or to paraphrase Douglas Adams…
“The last person you want as Galactic President is someone who actually WANTS the job”
DaveE

Don Keiller
August 12, 2009 7:29 am

I guess she has seen the Loch Ness Monster/sasquatch/believes in fairies as well.
Good to see that your leaders are as barking as ours.

crosspatch
August 12, 2009 7:37 am

“We have just four months. Four months to secure the future of our planet.”
Apparently this idiocy isn’t limited to only the US Congress.

August 12, 2009 7:48 am

The comical Senator is just attempting to personalize the catechism that the acolytes of the Alarmist cult have taught her. She has come to ‘testify’.
But that she can proclaim such utter nonsense in public is a dire indication of the failing of rational science to counter the Revealed Truth of the Alarmists.
While Realist scientists play catch on the sidelines, the Alarmist hierarchy prepare for the World Series of Alarmism in Copenhagen. From a speech by the Secretary General of the United Nations:


. . . As we move toward Copenhagen in December, we must “Seal a Deal” on climate change that secures our common future. I’m glad that the Chairman of the forum and many other speakers have used my campaign slogan “Seal the Deal” in Copenhagen. I won’t charge them loyalty. Please use this “Seal the Deal” as widely as possible, as much as you can. We must seal the deal in Copenhagen for the future of humanity.
We have just four months. Four months to secure the future of our planet.
Any agreement must be fair, effective, equitable and comprehensive, and based on science. And it must help vulnerable nations adapt to climate change.
Ladies and gentlemen,
The science is clear. We know what to do and we know how to do it. . .

(From Drudge; full text here: http://www.un.org/apps/news/infocus/sgspeeches/statments_full.asp?statID=557 )
“The science is clear.” That is the mantra of the Alarmist cult. It brooks no naysaying; to deny it is heresy.
Which prominent scientists and politicians will dare to break ranks and speak out against this rush to disaster? Not deluded souls like Debbie Stabenow, who now inhabit what used to be “The greatest deliberate body in the world,” the US Senate.
To paraphrase the Secretary-General, “We have just four months. Four months to secure the future of our planet—by stopping the Alarmists in their tracks.”
/Mr Lynn

John Cooper
August 12, 2009 7:48 am

The comments on this thread have made my day. Thanks, everybody!

Douglas DC
August 12, 2009 7:52 am

As a former professional Pilot,I too have felt that “instablitiy”-not counting the few times
something important fell off the Aircraft-usually in the face of a cold front over the Cascades,or Sierra Nevada or Rockies,or Wrangells. I’ve been spit out of a Cumulonimbus top near inverted at 25,000 ft. and nearly mashed into the high
desert of New Mexico by a downburst.
Debbie,you are a fool…

niteowl
August 12, 2009 8:07 am

As someone who’s always had a problem with motion sickness when flying, I can say I’ve been feeling a bit more of it nowadays, too. But IMHO, it’s more because the planes I’m flying seem to have gotten smaller. Routes that I used to fly in 757’s or better are now serviced mainly by 737’s or A319’s. I don’t know about Michigan routes, but I’d say to Debbie that she might want to honestly check the memory on that (if she’s able to be honest).

Walter Manny
August 12, 2009 8:29 am

“I feel it when I’m flying” is indeed an unfortunate comment, best case. Can anyone provide a link to the actual interview (not the Planet Gore site, which is all I can find in my attempts to corroborate). A direct quotation from other than NR would be useful.
Thanks.

the_butcher
August 12, 2009 8:32 am

Global Warming is going to surpass Christianity.
Its everywhere, even at the gym. GW is probably going to be the next excuse for America to invade some other country in the Middle East.
“Global Warmingty”

Indian Bones
August 12, 2009 8:56 am

The subtext is – if you want jobs, development money, R&D money, a study grant or money for that surgery you’ve been avoiding – call it “climate change.” What is stupefying is the authors of this campaign continue to throw billions into AGW propaganda that has no effect. Since there is so little acceptance of the alarmist tale and poll numbers confirm the failure of climate change to register in the public psyche – it can only be pride that keeps these pundits on message.
Now what kind of people are so inflated by pride they cannot admit error? Or change course to an energy campaign based on economy, jobs, security, enviro/health?? It’s been spelled out for you! Utterly inhuman!

Sandy
August 12, 2009 9:23 am

It’s “Michiganders.”
And Michigeese??

DaveF
August 12, 2009 9:51 am

John W
“It’s Michiganders”
Is that all the Michigan people, John? Or are the females called Michigeese?

John W.
August 12, 2009 10:13 am

Sandy, DaveF:
I’m an immigrant from Alabama, and I’ve only heard “Michigander.” I’ll look into it, though, and get back to you. 8^)

August 12, 2009 10:32 am

The UN is a criminally corrupt organization, with one overarching goal: to make Americans pay $Trillions for a completely fabricated scare.
UN Sec-Gen Ban Ki Moon:
“Any agreement must be fair, effective, equitable and comprehensive, and based on science. And it must help vulnerable nations adapt to climate change.”
May I translate? Thank you:
“Any agreement must be fair, effective, equitable and comprehensive, and based on science. And it must help vulnerable greedy, corrupt nations adapt to climate change get their hands deep down into the pockets of American taxpayers. With the connivance of our very close friend President 0bama, and the Democrats who completely control Congress, we will succeed in getting them to sell out their own country by transferring an enormous amount of American taxpayers’ wealth into other countries, based on entirely bogus science, and for no honest reason whatever.”
There. Fixed it for you, Mr Moon.

Mike Abbott
August 12, 2009 10:49 am

Regarding Sen. Stabenow’s comment that “Global warming creates volatility. I feel it when I’m flying. The storms are more volatile. We are paying the price in more hurricanes and tornadoes”:
Do the “brains” of the AGW camp ever publicly disavow ridiculous statements like this? Surely the guys at Real Climate must be appalled by statements like this (and by studies such as the one claiming that sheep are shrinking because of AGW.) Is such nonsense ever denounced by RC?

Tamara
August 12, 2009 10:54 am

“I feel it when I’m flying.”
[snip -OTT]

Mike Kelley
August 12, 2009 11:15 am

Also notice the totally spontaneous sign-holding going on in the background of Stabenow’s picture. Of course the term “Jobs” will be a mostly historical reference if they get the cap-and-tax thing passed.

hunter
August 12, 2009 11:17 am

Perhaps the good Senator is actually talking about the fact the democrat attempt to buy a new fleet of aircraft for Congressional use was put on hold due to turbulant coverage in the press?

Nogw
August 12, 2009 11:45 am

Smokey (10:32:56) :
…by transferring an enormous amount of American taxpayers’ wealth into other countries, based on entirely bogus science, and for no honest reason whatever.”
Is there some wealth left? , like looking for sunspots these days 🙂

the_butcher
August 12, 2009 12:22 pm

Mike Abbott (10:49:15) :
———————————–
The only thing that is shrinking is their brains. lol

Paul Vaughan
August 12, 2009 12:51 pm

the_butcher (08:32:33) “Global Warming is going to surpass Christianity. Its everywhere, even at the gym. GW is probably going to be the next excuse for America to invade some other country […]”
In Foster et al.’s (2009) attack on McLean et al. (2009) they cite Thompson et al. (2008).
Thompson et al. (2008):
~100 Hiroshima-sized explosions are predicted to lead to a global-mean cooling of ~1.25C (ref. 5) […] 5. Robock, A. et al. Climatic consequences of regional nuclear conflicts. Atmos. Chem. Phys. 7, 2003-2012 (2007).”
2 birds with one stone?
[perhaps in some peoples’ minds already]
The ironies thicken.
“Good” is being redefined on one dimension [T]. Keep it real stupid simple. [Yesterday’s villain = today’s hero?…]

LarryD
August 12, 2009 1:51 pm

This is just as nutty as politicians who pray that “God” will “show me a way, show me a way”.
I’ll point out that anyone doing that at least realizes that they have limits, and have reached them. Such a person will be willing to listen.
Characteristics all too rare among politicians, or the elites generally.

Martin Mason
August 12, 2009 2:04 pm

Is it not possible that she isn’t completely stupid but is saying what she has been told to say to the best of her very limited ability? For me she is simply showing what the debate is about in the science and political sphere. Keep saying the mantra, it doesn’t matter if it’s not true.
We have reached a very serious point on our democratic road where the politicians have hijacked democracy to take complete control and the wishes of the people are now an irrelevancy. AGW or whatever is the latest threat to the world, is a very important part of this process.

August 12, 2009 2:53 pm

fighting the climate crisis raising taxes is her top priority.
FIFY

Don S.
August 12, 2009 3:07 pm

No more jibes about the robust senator’s sensibilities, please. Critters of that size have traditionally inhabited environments which demanded extremely well tuned sensory organs. What with evolution and all, we wot not what she can feel.

Rod Smith
August 12, 2009 4:51 pm

What does volatility “feel” like when flying?
Over the years I’ve felt tension, intense cold, heat, lack of pressure, too much pressure, ear shattering noise, intense dryness, g-forces, turbulence, vertigo, night blindness, fear, electric shock, fatigue, uneasiness, confusion, surprise, rage, satisfaction, exhilaration, helplessness, and probably a few other things that don’t come to mind — and I’m not talking about stewardess service on airliners.
I do remember some very volatile fuel leaks, but I don’t think I ever recognized feeling volatility, whatever that is.

Indiana Bones
August 12, 2009 5:10 pm

Gosh. Does anyone else suspect that these kind of people are wound up or plugged in, in the morning before hitting the play field? The entire charade appears to be the work of a disaffected team of hackers who secretly worship devolution. Long live Michigan.

Mark
August 12, 2009 5:29 pm

blah blah blah blah blah blah!!!

David
August 12, 2009 6:11 pm

PamIa said…
I won’t say what it is here because it is sure to offend. But I think one day it will be necessary to finally divorce ourselves from religiosity of all kinds in order to defend our individual freedoms from an oppressive governmentes.”
Pamela I like many of your comments,finding them both smart and cute, however this is over a the top, and of course you did say it, and it is, IMO, the most ignorant thing you have ever said. Please google “death by goverment” and read the history of man. Stalin’s Soviet Union, over 36 million, Comminist china, over 50 million killed. The greatest freedom brought to humanity was from the “faithful”
I would argue the limatations of science and the inherent contradiction posed by the scientific method as relates to cause and effect in a different thread, but suffice it to say the idea of a first cause beyond science is not illogical.

realitycheck
August 12, 2009 6:35 pm

im.be.cile
1. A stupid or silly person; a dolt.
2. A person whose mental acumen is well below par.
3. A person of moderate to severe mental retardation having a mental age of from three to seven years and generally being capable of some degree of communication and performance of simple tasks under supervision.
It would appear they are breeding like rabbits.

Patrick Davis
August 12, 2009 6:55 pm

Possibly a sign of sense in Australia;
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/global-warming/senate-kills-emissions-trading-scheme-bills-20090813-eiyc.html
Lets hope Copenhagen doesn’t screw it up.

Mrs Whatsit
August 12, 2009 7:00 pm

Heat is All Around
by Sen. Debbie Stabenow
(with apologies to the Troggs)
I feel it when I’m flying,
I feel it through the seat —
The CO2 around me,
and all that greenhouse heat
The turbulence is awful,
it’s volatile up high
It’s all that global warming
It’s heating up the sky
I know I’m right and
I always will
My mind’s made up
by the way that I feel
I know we’re warming
When I ascend
‘Cause on Al Gore
I can depend . . .
It’s volatile and awful
although you might deny
It’s all that global warming
Come on with me and fly
Come on with me and fly
Come on with me and fly

Kevin Kilty
August 12, 2009 7:19 pm

Debbie, return your per diems. Now.

Tim F
August 12, 2009 7:41 pm

A bit of Michigan ethnolinguistics. “Michigander” is the normal and natural term but is out of favor with the PC crowd (because the Michigeese don’t like it). The preferred PC term is Michiganian.
You can be more specific as there are two geographically distinct kinds of Michiganders–Trolls and Yoopers. 5 points to the first non-Michigander who can explain these terms.
Tim

Hank Hancock
August 12, 2009 7:51 pm

Without a full neurological work-up, I would conclude one of the following by her symptoms:
1) Parkinson’s disease
2) Rhythmic movement disorder (RMD)
3) ADHD
4) Sydenham chorea (St. Vitus dance)
5) Alcohol withdrawal

Claude Harvey
August 12, 2009 8:08 pm

Why is everyone being so harsh on Senator Debbie Stabenow (D., Mich.)? Where’s the empathy? I merely listen to at her and get sympathetic pains….in the nether region….not a sharp pain, but more of what I would describe as an annular effect.
CH

Claude Harvey
August 12, 2009 8:10 pm

Oops! I hardly ever listen “at” anyone.
CH

John of Cloverdale WA
August 12, 2009 8:20 pm

Yeah I feel it too. Every morning, when I get up with the sun.

August 12, 2009 8:39 pm

Tim F (19:41:25) :
A bit of Michigan ethnolinguistics. “Michigander” is the normal and natural term but is out of favor with the PC crowd (because the Michigeese don’t like it). The preferred PC term is Michiganian.
You can be more specific as there are two geographically distinct kinds of Michiganders–Trolls and Yoopers. 5 points to the first non-Michigander who can explain these terms.

I know Da Yoopers! “The Second Week of Deer Camp,” “Rusty Chevrolet,” and others not quite as memorable. From Da Yooper Peeninsula, of course.
But “Trolls”? You find a few here, but not necessarily from MIchigan. . .
/Mr Lynn

Jimmy Haigh
August 12, 2009 10:47 pm

It seems that The Aussies have more informed politicians than the US and The Brits. They have rejected their cap and trade equivalent. If it gets rejected again, it could mean a new general election.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8198690.stm
REPLY: See story on main page -A

Tim F
August 13, 2009 4:38 am

Mr Lynn,
Trolls live under the bridge (the Macinaw) in the lower peninsula.

David S
August 13, 2009 5:15 am

My comment about Senator Stabenow was crude. I apologize.

Patrick Davis
August 13, 2009 5:21 am

“Jimmy Haigh (22:47:27) :
It seems that The Aussies have more informed politicians than the US and The Brits. They have rejected their cap and trade equivalent. If it gets rejected again, it could mean a new general election.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8198690.stm
REPLY: See story on main page -A”
I woudn’t give them that much credit after all we do have an MP who is an ex-rock star (Midnight Oil) who rarely used to vote himself. And what I’ve seen in Australia and NZ politicians they are just as slimy, blatantly dishonest and incompetant as any other.

English Major
August 13, 2009 8:12 am

[snip -OTT]

Joe
August 13, 2009 10:16 am

Here is all you need to know about our congress critters:
Congress: 535 commoditized temple monkeys pawing
through the ruins of America in search of bribes.
— Fred Reed (Fred on Everything)

Michael Jennings
August 13, 2009 1:25 pm

{snip OTT} That folks was a self-snip, ha, beat you to it Anthony 🙂

apb
August 13, 2009 1:43 pm

“And there are sea monsters in Lake Michigan. I can feel them when I’m boating.”
Now THAT was a laugh-out-loud moment.
Stabenow and her ilk are toddlers packing heat – and we’re the hostages.

Eve
August 13, 2009 10:01 pm

This is why Carl Sagan said that government must understand science.

August 14, 2009 2:04 pm

Pamela Grey,
You will find the Constitution to be a most inconvenient document. Not only is prayer (free excercise) a Constitutionally protected activity, but it also forbids any religious test against those who would hold office.
Unless it be trial by fire and water. I am hoping that would pass Constitutional muster.

henrychance
August 17, 2009 7:06 am


Algort just wants to earn a decent dollar

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