From the Huffington Post, Dr. Hansen is more than a little upset over the failure of G-8 to produce any meaningful CO2 cuts. Once again he tries to take the “representing himself as a private citizen” tact while at the same time citing his NASA credentials.
I call BS on that. His opinion would not be sought if he were not a NASA climate scientist. He cannot separate himself from NASA and climate science and the policy springing from it any more that President Obama could write an essay now as a private citizen. Further, Jim, you started it in 1988 with your address before congress. Don’t insult our intelligence by saying you have been acting as a private citizen either then or now.
That being said, we do agree on one thing: “the Waxman-Markey bill, a monstrous absurdity” – Anthony Watts
The world’s major industrial nations and emerging powers failed to agree Wednesday on significant cuts in heat-trapping gases by 2050, unraveling an effort to build a global consensus to fight climate change, according to people following the talks.
Of course, emission targets in 2050 have limited practical meaning — present leaders will be dead or doddering by then — so these differences may be patched up. The important point is that other nations are unlikely to make real concessions on emissions if the United States is not addressing the climate matter seriously.
With a workable climate bill in his pocket, President Obama might have been able to begin building that global consensus in Italy. Instead, it looks as if the delegates from other nations may have done what 219 U.S. House members who voted up Waxman-Markey last month did not: critically read the 1,400-page American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 and deduce that it’s no more fit to rescue our climate than a V-2 rocket was to land a man on the moon.
I share that conclusion, and have explained why to members of Congress before and will again at a Capitol Hill briefing on July 13. Science has exposed the climate threat and revealed this inconvenient truth: If we burn even half of Earth’s remaining fossil fuels we will destroy the planet as humanity knows it. The added emissions of heat-trapping carbon dioxide will set our Earth irreversibly onto a course toward an ice-free state, a course that will initiate a chain reaction of irreversible and catastrophic climate changes.
The concentration of CO2 in our atmosphere now stands at 387 parts per million, the highest level in 600,000 years and more than 100 ppm higher than the amount at the dawn of the Industrial Revolution. Burning just the oil and gas sitting in known fields will drive atmospheric CO2 well over 400 ppm and ignite a devil’s cauldron of melted icecaps, bubbling permafrost, and combustible forests from which there will be no turning back. But if we cut off the largest source of carbon dioxide, coal, we have a chance to bring CO2 back to 350 ppm and still lower through agricultural and forestry practices that increase carbon storage in trees and soil.
The essential step, then, is to phase out coal emissions over the next two decades. And to declare off limits artificial high-carbon fuels such as tar sands and shale while moving to phase out dependence on conventional petroleum as well.
This requires nothing less than an energy revolution based on efficiency and carbon-free energy sources. Alas, we won’t get there with the Waxman-Markey bill, a monstrous absurdity hatched in Washington after energetic insemination by special interests.
For all its “green” aura, Waxman-Markey locks in fossil fuel business-as-usual and garlands it with a Ponzi-like “cap-and-trade” scheme. Here are a few of the bill’s egregious flaws:
- It guts the Clean Air Act, removing EPA’s ability to regulate CO2 emissions from power plants.
- It sets meager targets — 2020 emissions are to be a paltry 13% less than this year’s level — and sabotages even these by permitting fictitious “offsets,” by which other nations are paid to preserve forests – while logging and food production will simply move elsewhere to meet market demand.
- Its cap-and-trade system, reports former U.S. Undersecretary of Commerce for Economic Affairs Robert Shapiro, “has no provisions to prevent insider trading by utilities and energy companies or a financial meltdown from speculators trading frantically in the permits and their derivatives.”
- It fails to set predictable prices for carbon, without which, Shapiro notes, “businesses and households won’t be able to calculate whether developing and using less carbon-intensive energy and technologies makes economic sense,” thus ensuring that millions of carbon-critical decisions fall short.
There is an alternative, of course, and that is a carbon fee, applied at the source (mine or port of entry) that rises continually. I prefer the “fee-and-dividend” version of this approach in which all revenues are returned to the public on an equal, per capita basis, so those with below-average carbon footprints come out ahead.
A carbon fee-and-dividend would be an economic stimulus and boon for the public. By the time the fee reached the equivalent of $1/gallon of gasoline ($115/ton of CO2) the rebate in the United States would be $2000-3000 per adult or $6000-9000 for a family with two children.
Fee-and-dividend would work hand-in-glove with new building, appliance, and vehicle efficiency standards. A rising carbon fee is the best enforcement mechanism for building standards, and it provides an incentive to move to ever higher energy efficiencies and carbon-free energy sources. As engineering and cultural tipping points are reached, the phase-over to post-fossil energy sources will accelerate. Tar sands and shale would be dead and there would be no need to drill Earth’s pristine extremes for the last drops of oil.
Some leaders of big environmental organizations have said I’m naïve to posit an alternative to cap-and-trade, and have suggested I stick to climate modeling. Let’s pass a bill, any bill, now and improve it later, they say. The real naïveté is their belief that they, and not the fossil-fuel interests, are driving the legislative process.
The fact is that the climate course set by Waxman-Markey is a disaster course. Their bill is an astoundingly inefficient way to get a tiny reduction of emissions. It’s less than worthless, because it will delay by at least a decade starting on a path that is fundamentally sound from the standpoints of both economics and climate preservation.
Former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, who died this week, suffered for 40 years — as did our country — from his failure to turn back from a failed policy. As grave as the blunders of the Vietnam War were, the consequences of a failed climate policy will be more severe by orders of magnitude.
With the Senate debate over climate now beginning, there is still time to turn back from cap-and-trade and toward fee-and-dividend. We need to start now. Without political leadership creating a truly viable policy like a carbon fee, not only won’t we get meaningful climate legislation through the Senate, we won’t be able to create the concerted approach we need globally to prevent catastrophic climate change.
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Bowman seems to be a popular name at NASA:
Randy or Andy?
Brian or Bryant?
Cheryl or Cassie?
Mark, Kevin, or Blair?
George! That was HANSEN I was guoting in the blockquote! You’ve got me confused with him! Aaaaagh!
/Mr Lynn
Dr. Hansen says this about Taxman/Malarkey– “Their bill is an astoundingly inefficient way to get a tiny reduction of [CO2] emissions.”
He then outlines a more efficient way to get a tiny reduction.
Uh. The failed policy in Vietnam was the failure to support the Vietnamese (as we had promised to do) after we had won the war.
And just to go a little OT – it looks like we are going down that same path in Iraq.
When Democrats run the government they seem to be unable to support our allies and snub our enemies.
There is an alternative, of course, and that is a carbon fee, applied at the source (mine or port of entry) that rises continually. I prefer the “fee-and-dividend” version of this approach in which all revenues are returned to the public on an equal, per capita basis, so those with below-average carbon footprints come out ahead.
A carbon fee-and-dividend would be an economic stimulus and boon for the public. By the time the fee reached the equivalent of $1/gallon of gasoline ($115/ton of CO2) the rebate in the United States would be $2000-3000 per adult or $6000-9000 for a family with two children.
All I can tell is that Hansen is no economist, whether acting as a NASA scientist or a private citizen.
There also appears to be a wide gap between his rhetoric on coal and his actions. If coal trains really are to be compared to trains taking Jews to concentration camps (a hideous comparison that I refuse to justify for a second) then the consistent response would be to have them closed down immediately. All of them.
Its strange that Hansen never articulates the obvious conclusion of his argument.
Yes, he certainly is unhinged. Apparently, nobody ever told Dr. Hansen that forests are far more likely to combust in a highly oxygenated atmosphere than one that has a marginally higher concentration of CO2.
“Hansen unhinged on G-8 failure” – shouldn’t “Hansen unhinged” have been sufficient?
I do believe in the Anthropogenic Global Warming hypothesis however. Just look at the GISS and Hadley temperatures soar even as I freeze to death (in NZ). Both Hansen and Jones are Anthropods.
Strangely, as much as I don’t share Mr Hansens’ beliefs or rhetoric, I am beginning to admire him. Whatever he does, and however he does it, is underpinned by genuine and unselfish motives.
Sadly, he’s wagered his shirt on the wrong horse, angered his fair-weather friends and is heading for a future bankrupted by an idealism that didn’t go down well with band-wagon politicals.
Step down mate, look to your future – you tried. No more could be asked.
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2518258944/tt0053946
I thought he looked familiar…
Hansen, the sky-is-falling bureaucrat gets more incoherent the more he writes. Bashing the Reps for not reading the energy tax bill is sophomoric. Of course they don’t read the bills, their staffs do, for which we pay them a million bucks per Rep. It’s been like that for decades now. More important, Hansen says nothing about the global cooling this century, and how the CO2 buildup may be influencing that. By the way, what is the global temp we’re trying to achieve, and why would that be better than what we have experienced over the past century?
I would post my Jim Hansen joke, but it would just get snipped — again.
(By person or persons who have my own best interest at heart!)
By the way, love the “Taxman-Malarkey” epitaph for the energy bill. It should be on everybody’s tongue, as well as everybody’s exhaled breath.
How Hell Tiptoes In….
“The first official forward pass occurred on September 5, 1906 in a game between the St. Louis University Billikens and the Carroll College Pioneers. St. Louis halfback Bradbury Robinson completed a 20-yard pass to receiver Jack Schneider that he ran in for a touchdown. St. Louis won the game 22-0 and went on to post an 11-0 record that season using the new “open-style” game. They went on to outscore their opponents that season 407-11.”
This isn’t about football. Football is a game. To borrow a phrase from the kids “Obama don’t play.” People know something is wrong, terribly wrong. They think they know how to fix it. The talking heads on the radio tell them to do it. THEY know, don’t they? NO. The eleven coach’s whose teams played St. Louis that year knew football, but….football had changed. The old tricks didn’t work for them. The old political moves won’t help you either. Obama has found a way around them and somebody better find a defense fast. This isn’t a game; it’s your country and your life.
“Oh, it only passed the House. We’ll stop it in the Senate.” No, you won’t. See that ball flying over your head to that player way the hell down field? What’s he doing down there anyway? Winning the game. Heck, you don’t have anybody down there to stop him at all, do you? Game over. Learn the new rules, make up some new defenses or just snap on your slave chains, America. Forget “stopping cap and trade”. Once CO2 is declared a “dangerous pollutant” the EPA, an agency in the EXECUTIVE department can create any and all rules and regulations that it wants. Since Obama can fire them, they want what the Fuhrer wants.
Hey, want to call your congressman about the crazy idea that you kid can’t bring Kool-Aid or Cokes or Cake to a birthday party at her school. The band or the team or ANYBODY can’t sell candy or control the vending machines to raise money? Forget it. Your congressman is as powerless as you and your local school board once the recent legislation has been passed putting the Commerce Dept in charge of ALL FOOD AND DRINK sold, eaten or consumed in a school. That would be —– part of the EXECUTIVE area of ”your” government aka Senor Obama. Too bad.
Know anything about “treaties”? Probably not much except that the US broke quite a few with the Indians. Well, actually the Indians sued eventually and won quite a bit of money from Uncle Sam. Actually, the Indians sued with more or less success back in the 1800’s. You see TREATIES are LAW. They actually rank above all federal and state laws except the constitution itself. So…… If we sign a law saying that the USA will cut CO2 emmissions by some ridiculous amount or any other silly promise remember…. This AIN’T the 1800’s and if the President wants to enforce it, he will and he CAN. Sorry, nothing much your little friends in “Congress” can do about it very easily. They can’t just pass a law, they have to figure out how to abrogate the treaty. Without the President’s cooperation that would be 2/3 of both houses of congress. How often has THAT happened in the last 10 years? Look it up. It will scare you better.
Here’s the point people. You and I elected a madman. With absolutely no experience in anything at all except theoretical law — a area where you just SAY something to make it real — he fully expects the word to be your bond. As a matter of fact, he signed a bunch or treaties with Russia the other day and some more with the G8 nations. He announced that we won’t be waiting for that silly old tradition of having Congress OK them. We will just start enforcing them immediately.
Remember that forward pass. The first game it’s understandable people were suprised, but for 11 straight games team after team lost and lost big. We can’t afford that kind of record against the University of Obama Screws U. but it’s probably coming anyway. Try to explain THIS ONE to your “congressman”. Betcha he don’t get it.
From http://www.moronpolitics.com
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5804831/Climate-change-The-sun-and-the-oceans-do-not-lie.html
The Emperor has no clothes, no clothes at all.
http://web.me.com/sinfonia1/Clamour_Of_The_Times/Clamour_Of_The_Times/Entries/2009/7/12_UK_Climate_Change_Policy%3A_Mad,_Bad,_and_Dangerous_to_Know.html
I am sorry to see Dr. Hansen represent the pop culture image of “scientist”: a conflation of theorist, propagandist, activist, and politician.
July 13, 2009
Last business to leave California turn out the lights
“Sacramento State College of Business Administration and Center for Small Business have complete a study of AB32 greenhouse gas emissions. According to the study, implementing the AB32 will cost nearly $50,000 per small business in California. They are expected to release the study following a news conference starting at 10 AM in Sacramento this morning. Stay Tuned.
And the Legislature is scratching their heads as to why the California Economy is not recovering. Are they really that clueless or are we dealing with a global warming religious issue, for which there are no compromises and science does not count.” “The cost of AB32”
http://ncwatch.typepad.com/media/2009/07/the-cost-of-ab32.html