Hansen unhinged on G-8 failure – "Waxman-Markey bill, a monstrous absurdity"

From the Huffington Post, Dr. Hansen is more than a little upset over the failure of G-8 to produce any meaningful CO2 cuts. Once again he tries to take the “representing himself as a private citizen” tact while at the same time citing his NASA credentials.

I call BS on that. His opinion would not be sought if he were not a NASA climate scientist. He cannot separate himself from NASA and climate science and the policy springing from it any more that President Obama could write an essay now as a private citizen.  Further, Jim, you started it in 1988 with your address before congress. Don’t insult our intelligence by saying you have been acting as a private citizen either then or now.

That being said, we do agree on one thing: “the Waxman-Markey bill, a monstrous absurdity” – Anthony Watts

Dr. James Hansen

Dr. James Hansen

Director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies Posted: July 9, 2009 10:33 AM

G-8 Failure Reflects U.S. Failure on Climate Change

Jim Hansen is director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, but he writes on this policy-related topic as a private citizen.

It didn’t take long for the counterfeit climate bill known as Waxman-Markey to push back against President Obama’s agenda. As the president was arriving in Italy for his first Group of Eight summit, the New York Times was reporting that efforts to close ranks on global warming between the G-8 and the emerging economies had already tanked:

The world’s major industrial nations and emerging powers failed to agree Wednesday on significant cuts in heat-trapping gases by 2050, unraveling an effort to build a global consensus to fight climate change, according to people following the talks.

Of course, emission targets in 2050 have limited practical meaning — present leaders will be dead or doddering by then — so these differences may be patched up. The important point is that other nations are unlikely to make real concessions on emissions if the United States is not addressing the climate matter seriously.

With a workable climate bill in his pocket, President Obama might have been able to begin building that global consensus in Italy. Instead, it looks as if the delegates from other nations may have done what 219 U.S. House members who voted up Waxman-Markey last month did not: critically read the 1,400-page American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 and deduce that it’s no more fit to rescue our climate than a V-2 rocket was to land a man on the moon.

I share that conclusion, and have explained why to members of Congress before and will again at a Capitol Hill briefing on July 13. Science has exposed the climate threat and revealed this inconvenient truth: If we burn even half of Earth’s remaining fossil fuels we will destroy the planet as humanity knows it. The added emissions of heat-trapping carbon dioxide will set our Earth irreversibly onto a course toward an ice-free state, a course that will initiate a chain reaction of irreversible and catastrophic climate changes.

The concentration of CO2 in our atmosphere now stands at 387 parts per million, the highest level in 600,000 years and more than 100 ppm higher than the amount at the dawn of the Industrial Revolution. Burning just the oil and gas sitting in known fields will drive atmospheric CO2 well over 400 ppm and ignite a devil’s cauldron of melted icecaps, bubbling permafrost, and combustible forests from which there will be no turning back. But if we cut off the largest source of carbon dioxide, coal, we have a chance to bring CO2 back to 350 ppm and still lower through agricultural and forestry practices that increase carbon storage in trees and soil.

The essential step, then, is to phase out coal emissions over the next two decades. And to declare off limits artificial high-carbon fuels such as tar sands and shale while moving to phase out dependence on conventional petroleum as well.

This requires nothing less than an energy revolution based on efficiency and carbon-free energy sources. Alas, we won’t get there with the Waxman-Markey bill, a monstrous absurdity hatched in Washington after energetic insemination by special interests.

For all its “green” aura, Waxman-Markey locks in fossil fuel business-as-usual and garlands it with a Ponzi-like “cap-and-trade” scheme. Here are a few of the bill’s egregious flaws:

  • It guts the Clean Air Act, removing EPA’s ability to regulate CO2 emissions from power plants.
  • It sets meager targets — 2020 emissions are to be a paltry 13% less than this year’s level — and sabotages even these by permitting fictitious “offsets,” by which other nations are paid to preserve forests – while logging and food production will simply move elsewhere to meet market demand.
  • Its cap-and-trade system, reports former U.S. Undersecretary of Commerce for Economic Affairs Robert Shapiro, “has no provisions to prevent insider trading by utilities and energy companies or a financial meltdown from speculators trading frantically in the permits and their derivatives.”
  • It fails to set predictable prices for carbon, without which, Shapiro notes, “businesses and households won’t be able to calculate whether developing and using less carbon-intensive energy and technologies makes economic sense,” thus ensuring that millions of carbon-critical decisions fall short.

There is an alternative, of course, and that is a carbon fee, applied at the source (mine or port of entry) that rises continually. I prefer the “fee-and-dividend” version of this approach in which all revenues are returned to the public on an equal, per capita basis, so those with below-average carbon footprints come out ahead.

A carbon fee-and-dividend would be an economic stimulus and boon for the public. By the time the fee reached the equivalent of $1/gallon of gasoline ($115/ton of CO2) the rebate in the United States would be $2000-3000 per adult or $6000-9000 for a family with two children.

Fee-and-dividend would work hand-in-glove with new building, appliance, and vehicle efficiency standards. A rising carbon fee is the best enforcement mechanism for building standards, and it provides an incentive to move to ever higher energy efficiencies and carbon-free energy sources. As engineering and cultural tipping points are reached, the phase-over to post-fossil energy sources will accelerate. Tar sands and shale would be dead and there would be no need to drill Earth’s pristine extremes for the last drops of oil.

Some leaders of big environmental organizations have said I’m naïve to posit an alternative to cap-and-trade, and have suggested I stick to climate modeling. Let’s pass a bill, any bill, now and improve it later, they say. The real naïveté is their belief that they, and not the fossil-fuel interests, are driving the legislative process.

The fact is that the climate course set by Waxman-Markey is a disaster course. Their bill is an astoundingly inefficient way to get a tiny reduction of emissions. It’s less than worthless, because it will delay by at least a decade starting on a path that is fundamentally sound from the standpoints of both economics and climate preservation.

Former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, who died this week, suffered for 40 years — as did our country — from his failure to turn back from a failed policy. As grave as the blunders of the Vietnam War were, the consequences of a failed climate policy will be more severe by orders of magnitude.

With the Senate debate over climate now beginning, there is still time to turn back from cap-and-trade and toward fee-and-dividend. We need to start now. Without political leadership creating a truly viable policy like a carbon fee, not only won’t we get meaningful climate legislation through the Senate, we won’t be able to create the concerted approach we need globally to prevent catastrophic climate change.

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Ron de Haan
July 10, 2009 6:35 am

Jim Hanson does not care if people freeze to death in their houses, as long as the coal plant is closed.
Obama does not care if families have to pay three times the price of energy, losse their jobs and their houses, as long as he and his elites can jet around the world without limitations.
Both choose ideology at the costs of the people.
Hanson opposing Obama…
It’s a bit like Russia opposing Hitler Germany.
It’s a clash of ideologies.
In the end Obama will win unless…
The people stop him.
So give all of them a hard time and keep calling those Senators.

Tim Clark
July 10, 2009 6:56 am

John in NZ (22:57:31) :
“Once again he tries to take the “representing himself as a private citizen” tact while at the same time citing his NASA credentials.”
Montjoie (18:43:20) :
“Um — I think it’s “tack” not “tact.” I think it’s a sailing term. You tack this way, then that way. But it’s not “tact” whatever it is.”
You are right, although tack (as in tackle) is also a term for the equipment used to guide a horse. (i.e. reins, bridle etc.)

Actually, Anthony’s usage may be viewed as proper. From Webster’s Ninth Collegiate:
tact (1) sensitive mental or aesthetic perception, (2) a keen sense of what to do or say in order to maintain good relations with others or avoid offense.
Personally, I would have used tacky: (1) characterized by lack of good breeding.

Stefan
July 10, 2009 7:09 am

40 Shades of Green (06:27:10) : Perhaps Jim is a CLOSET CREATIONIST.
Well we all consume just by being alive, so we’re all living in
Green Original Sin.
(With apologies to Christians everywhere.)

Vincent
July 10, 2009 7:09 am

I don’t know what you’re all complaining about. Hansen is doing you all a big favour. He’s come out with a sledgehammer and laid it into the Taxman-Marlarkey bill. His judgment is brutal: “. . . It is worse than useless.” Absolutely right! Maybe this will tip the balance in the senate.
And what about the poor Goracle himself? He stands at the threshold of acheiving unimaginable wealth if only the carbon credit scam is passed in the senate. And here comes Hansen with his sledgehammer. You’ve got to love it. Gore must be livid with rage.

Mark Bowlin
July 10, 2009 7:14 am

Curious George is on the mark. It’s too early to break out the champagne — no matter what Senator Inhofe says or what note the fat lady can hit.
The administration needs the revenues from cap and trade to fund health care “reform,” which is its top agenda item. Democratic Senators will be told to get in line on cap and trade or lose health care and all other legislative momentum.
IMO, it’s a bait and switch. The issue is money, not the environment, and the government needs the specter (not Phil) of “melted icecaps, bubbling permafrost, and combustible forests from which there will be no turning back. . .” to bring about the promise of this potentially lucrative revenue stream. Simply put, what the science says about AGW is immaterial.

Robert Kral
July 10, 2009 7:15 am

Just a minor stylistic quibble (regarding the paragraph at the top): Hansen is taking a “tack”, not a “tact”. It’s a nautical reference regarding the direction you’re steering when sailing somewhat against the wind.

July 10, 2009 7:32 am

40 Shades of Green (06:27:10) :
Perhaps Jim is a CLOSET CREATIONIST.
He seems to think the world began 600,000 years ago in the garden of Eden.
… and he wants to bring us back there.

Hey! I oughta get some credit for that idea! See: (17:34:12)
But that’s OK; great minds think alike!
And you put it better, anyway. 😉
/Mr Lynn

Roger
July 10, 2009 7:35 am

Sam the Skeptic
I also read that carelessly unresearched lash up of an article in the Telegraph and, remembered back to when I first subscribed in 1958. At that time it could be relied upon for serious factual reporting, far above the hysterical thoughtless hyperbole of the rest. (Well, OK, it was positioned a tad to the right, but that sat, and still sits well with my politics at the time).
At lunch today I analysed why I still read the paper after 51 years and decided it was only the crossword that had maintained it’s integrity, the rest of the content and reporting now falling far short of the competence and honesty of a bygone age.
I now confront the dilemma – is it worth 90P per day, and £2 on saturdays and sundays, just to do the crossword?

JT
July 10, 2009 7:42 am

All is not lost. ZDNet, which is a technicaly oriented online magazine ran an article on Dr, James Hansen titled “U.S. government whistle-blower on global warming” http://blogs.zdnet.com/green/?p=5913&tag=nl.e019
At the bottom of the article was a survey asking to finsh the sentence…
Dr. James Hansen, Director of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies,
is a dangerous whacko. (28%)
should be fired from his federally-supported job. (26%)
is exercising his right to free speech. (24%)
is an environmental hero. (21%)
had to be more circumspect when Dick Cheney ran things. (2%)
Looks like 54% of tech saavy people believe he is a wacko or should be fired.

wws
July 10, 2009 7:45 am

Another death blow to Waxman/Malarkey has emerged – Sen. John Kerry has stated that the provision which would apply tarrifs on products from countries that didn’t have similar CO2 limits (ie, China) would absolutely be stripped from the bill in the Senate, because it violated existing international trade treaties.
This may seem minor, but it is huge – it dooms the entire bill. The reason it was added in the house is that if something like this isn’t done, then it is inevitable that every high-carbon emitting factory in the US (which would be penalized by higher costs under the new regime) would simply shut down and open up shop in non-penalizing nations such as India and China. Unemployment in the US will surge even more while the trade deficit gets worse – this would be an absolute death blow for the economy, especially with unemployment already so high. The ONLY way to stop this would be to add the trade restrictions – but now John Kerry himself has acknowledged that we can’t do that.
Therefore, Waxman – Malarkey is dead.

Sam the Skeptic
July 10, 2009 7:54 am

Roger
You and I must be of about the same vintage and continue with the Telegraph for much the same reasons though even the crosswords have been dumbed down in recent years (how on earth can an educated(?) compiler really believe that ‘haggle’ and ‘barter’ mean the same thing?)
The Telegraph is not alone; most of the British media are as wilfully blind to the extremist arguments as each other. At least they will accept adverse comments on the comment sites or the blogs but it is nigh on impossible to get a letter printed that takes serious issue with the climate change paradigm.
Their current environmentalist is so obviously pursuing an agenda that he is unreadable. When did the serious newspapers stop being critical of the self-serving rubbish that special interest groups (not just AGW alarmists) churn out on a daily basis?

Theo Lichacz
July 10, 2009 8:03 am
John G
July 10, 2009 8:04 am

It’s alive, it’s alive, IT’S ALIVE! It doesn’t matter what Jim Hansen or any skeptical scientist thinks. It only matters that the people accept Cap and Trade as a device to save the planet. From now on raising taxes will be as simple as lowering the caps on CO2 production (all in the name of saving the planet of course). That’s why this thing lives on in spite of the evidence of AGW’s immense bogosity. The government needs the money and they can claim they’re taking it from the evil fossil fuel energy industry in a free market sort of way. The evil fossil fuel energy companies will be the ones paying, never mind that your energy costs are going way up. Hansen and Gore must be stunned by the unstoppable nature of the avalanche they’ve started. It’s going to have to get damned cold for people to suspect they’ve been conned . . . even then many will think it an honest mistake made in a good cause.

Phil's Dad
July 10, 2009 8:51 am

Montjoie (18:43:20) :
“Um — I think it’s “tack” not “tact.” I think it’s a sailing term. You tack this way, then that way. But it’s not “tact” whatever it is.”
“Tact”, Montjoie, would be to ignore the minor error to focus on the important message!
…although I am guilty myself at times.

Editor
July 10, 2009 9:07 am

This is a normal tactic of the left to inject themselves into debates they would otherwise not be welcome in. Here in upstate New Hampshire and Vermont, our local Valley News newspaper, as left leaning a rag of World Federalist Society propaganda and Dartmouth Liberal hogwash as you can find anywhere, has as a “local columnist” this fellow Steve Nelson, who is in fact headmaster of the Calhoun School in New York City. He happens to have had a family vacation house in the area for many years, so, like many of the city slicker liberals in the area, likes to pretend he is a “local” when opinion on local and national issues, as if he’s just folks like everybody else in the area and his opinion is a moderate voice in the local community. That many residents of the community have called BS on this obvious farce poses no shame for the Valley Snooze, they continue to claim him as a local columnist, as he opines on his anti-gun, anti-hunting, anti-logging, anti-development, anti-Constitution, anti-War, pro-socialism, pro-single-payer-healthcare, pro-warmist, pro-UN, pro-Islamist, pro-multiculturalism, pro-big-government agenda which is hardly in keeping with the local traditional values.
I am sure that other readers of this blog from other rural regions can name someone similar that writes for their local left leaning newspaper. This is one of the left’s typical “moving the middle” tactics. Convincing the likely idiots in the community whose opinions come from going along with the crowd that such a person represents the moderate middle is the way to tip elections.
You are absolutely right that nobody would give a hoot what private citizen Jim Hansen thinks about global warming. His voice only matters because he is a NASA scientist. His voice should likewise be throttled like every other government bureaucrat. He is a public servant, and servants are seen and not heard.

Russ R.
July 10, 2009 9:13 am

If I am a “hypothethical” family of four, and gasoline has gone up $1/gal, how much gasoline per year would I buy? Let’s assume that I still drive to work, and take the family on vacation each year, and still have enough to visit the grandparents. Even if we don’t cut back (we would), it comes up to about $1500 per year of revenue for the government, who would promptly send it right back to us (even Jim can’t believe that WHOPPER).
So where does the rest of the $4500 – $7500 come from?
Oh yeah, the evil coal burners, who will be driven out of business. If they are driven out of business, how will they keep sending me checks?
I guess it will be the evil oil companies, but that is already in the gasoline bill.
Looks like we are going to need another villian in this story, to send me the money I was promised. Any volunteers?

George E. Smith
July 10, 2009 9:29 am

“”” Mr Lynn (17:34:12) :
. . .The concentration of CO2 in our atmosphere now stands at 387 parts per million, the highest level in 600,000 years and more than 100 ppm higher than the amount at the dawn of the Industrial Revolution. Burning just the oil and gas sitting in known fields will drive atmospheric CO2 well over 400 ppm and ignite a devil’s cauldron of melted icecaps, bubbling permafrost, and combustible forests from which there will be no turning back. . . “””
Well that 600,000 year record is based on what people retrieved from some tiny samples of ice from just a handful of spots on earth. Ice is well known as a good place to store stuff for geological time frames; we should store nuclear fuel waste in ice.
Actually over real geologic time scales we are now enjoying the lowest CO2 levels that earth has ever had. I say enjoying, but actually the plants are suffering from lack of CO2.
You say (in effect) ,we have gone up 100 ppm during the industrial age. From 280 to 387. That is just peanuts; remember that the “climate sensitivity”, the Rosetta Stone of climatology, goes as the log of the CO2; a PhD chap told us so ;( I should get a PhD in ice cream making or something ). So 387/280 = 1.382 = 2^0.4669
IPCC says CS =3 deg C perdoubling, so industrial age temperature rise is 0.4669 x 3 = 1.4(007) deg C
Of course we don’t have any idea what the global temperature was prior to about 1980, because what we were measuring was total nonsense, before then; and we can’t fix it.
Of course the total range of temperatures to be found on earth (surface) is more than 100 times that supposedly serious 1.4 deg rise; not counting the lava coming out of volcanoes and such places.
Evidently we can’t get above 22 deg C for some reason; well we haven’t in the last 600 million years; which is 1000 times longer than Mr Lynn’s history. After 600 megayears, you might get the impression that something is working to stop us from heating the place over 22 deg. C.
My guess is it’s those pesky oceans out there; I read somewhere on these hallowed pages, that the SSTs can’t get above 305K. That’s 31.85 deg C
Even that temperature doesn’t seem to bother anything; and if it does they can always move to cooler water.
Anyone remember that cowboy song about a howlin dawg, you know the mutt that is sitting on a thorn, and is too darn lazy to move ?

P Walker
July 10, 2009 9:43 am

Sam the Skeptic ,
Thanks for the link , from which I garnered this – ” there is no proff , there is only the belief in the idea , because they haven’t thought of anything else .” Exactly . The Telegraph is worth it for Christopher Booker . Of course , I read it online for free .

P Walker
July 10, 2009 9:43 am

proff should read “proof” . Sorry….

Glug
July 10, 2009 9:49 am

~snip~
~dbstealey, moderator
REPLY: Mr. Bowman, you might want to consider whether your comments to this blog fit within NASA’s “acceptable use policy” during work hours on the taxpayers dime. What is most troubling is that a NASA scientist has not the courage to put his name to his words. But given the wording, I suppose I’d try to hide also. – Anthony Watts

Michael D Smith
July 10, 2009 11:23 am

We better hope there is a sensible senator (I know that’s asking a lot) who will invite someone like Monckton to counter every Hansen point. Our Senators would eat this kind of rhetoric up, they live for it, and obviously don’t have the common sense to counter it.

Indiana Bones
July 10, 2009 11:23 am

Theo Lichacz (08:03:50) :
“If Hansen is upset maybe this will make him apoplectic”
http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/3755623/meet-the-man-who-has-exposed-the-great-climate-change-con-trick.thtml
Much as we admire Professor Plimer, to give credit where it is due – Michael Crichton wrote “State of Fear” in 2004. While not science or anywhere near the consummate work of Prf. Plimer – Michael did raise the issue of bad AGW science in a particularly hostile atmosphere. And he took enormous heat for it. Fortunately for both men – it is turning out for the best.

Ron de Haan
July 10, 2009 11:33 am

Global warming alarmism enriches Gore, bankrupts the rest of us
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.smith10jul10,0,7648404.column

Dave in CA
July 10, 2009 12:05 pm


~snip~
~dbstealey, moderator
REPLY: Mr. Bowman, you might want to consider whether your comments to this blog fit within NASA’s “acceptable use policy” during work hours on the taxpayers dime. What is most troubling is that a NASA scientist has not the courage to put his name to his words. But given the wording, I suppose I’d try to hide also. – Anthony Watts

….Inquiring minds want to know!!!

wws
July 10, 2009 12:27 pm

to Dave in CA – heh, me too!!!