From the Huffington Post, Dr. Hansen is more than a little upset over the failure of G-8 to produce any meaningful CO2 cuts. Once again he tries to take the “representing himself as a private citizen” tact while at the same time citing his NASA credentials.
I call BS on that. His opinion would not be sought if he were not a NASA climate scientist. He cannot separate himself from NASA and climate science and the policy springing from it any more that President Obama could write an essay now as a private citizen. Further, Jim, you started it in 1988 with your address before congress. Don’t insult our intelligence by saying you have been acting as a private citizen either then or now.
That being said, we do agree on one thing: “the Waxman-Markey bill, a monstrous absurdity” – Anthony Watts
The world’s major industrial nations and emerging powers failed to agree Wednesday on significant cuts in heat-trapping gases by 2050, unraveling an effort to build a global consensus to fight climate change, according to people following the talks.
Of course, emission targets in 2050 have limited practical meaning — present leaders will be dead or doddering by then — so these differences may be patched up. The important point is that other nations are unlikely to make real concessions on emissions if the United States is not addressing the climate matter seriously.
With a workable climate bill in his pocket, President Obama might have been able to begin building that global consensus in Italy. Instead, it looks as if the delegates from other nations may have done what 219 U.S. House members who voted up Waxman-Markey last month did not: critically read the 1,400-page American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 and deduce that it’s no more fit to rescue our climate than a V-2 rocket was to land a man on the moon.
I share that conclusion, and have explained why to members of Congress before and will again at a Capitol Hill briefing on July 13. Science has exposed the climate threat and revealed this inconvenient truth: If we burn even half of Earth’s remaining fossil fuels we will destroy the planet as humanity knows it. The added emissions of heat-trapping carbon dioxide will set our Earth irreversibly onto a course toward an ice-free state, a course that will initiate a chain reaction of irreversible and catastrophic climate changes.
The concentration of CO2 in our atmosphere now stands at 387 parts per million, the highest level in 600,000 years and more than 100 ppm higher than the amount at the dawn of the Industrial Revolution. Burning just the oil and gas sitting in known fields will drive atmospheric CO2 well over 400 ppm and ignite a devil’s cauldron of melted icecaps, bubbling permafrost, and combustible forests from which there will be no turning back. But if we cut off the largest source of carbon dioxide, coal, we have a chance to bring CO2 back to 350 ppm and still lower through agricultural and forestry practices that increase carbon storage in trees and soil.
The essential step, then, is to phase out coal emissions over the next two decades. And to declare off limits artificial high-carbon fuels such as tar sands and shale while moving to phase out dependence on conventional petroleum as well.
This requires nothing less than an energy revolution based on efficiency and carbon-free energy sources. Alas, we won’t get there with the Waxman-Markey bill, a monstrous absurdity hatched in Washington after energetic insemination by special interests.
For all its “green” aura, Waxman-Markey locks in fossil fuel business-as-usual and garlands it with a Ponzi-like “cap-and-trade” scheme. Here are a few of the bill’s egregious flaws:
- It guts the Clean Air Act, removing EPA’s ability to regulate CO2 emissions from power plants.
- It sets meager targets — 2020 emissions are to be a paltry 13% less than this year’s level — and sabotages even these by permitting fictitious “offsets,” by which other nations are paid to preserve forests – while logging and food production will simply move elsewhere to meet market demand.
- Its cap-and-trade system, reports former U.S. Undersecretary of Commerce for Economic Affairs Robert Shapiro, “has no provisions to prevent insider trading by utilities and energy companies or a financial meltdown from speculators trading frantically in the permits and their derivatives.”
- It fails to set predictable prices for carbon, without which, Shapiro notes, “businesses and households won’t be able to calculate whether developing and using less carbon-intensive energy and technologies makes economic sense,” thus ensuring that millions of carbon-critical decisions fall short.
There is an alternative, of course, and that is a carbon fee, applied at the source (mine or port of entry) that rises continually. I prefer the “fee-and-dividend” version of this approach in which all revenues are returned to the public on an equal, per capita basis, so those with below-average carbon footprints come out ahead.
A carbon fee-and-dividend would be an economic stimulus and boon for the public. By the time the fee reached the equivalent of $1/gallon of gasoline ($115/ton of CO2) the rebate in the United States would be $2000-3000 per adult or $6000-9000 for a family with two children.
Fee-and-dividend would work hand-in-glove with new building, appliance, and vehicle efficiency standards. A rising carbon fee is the best enforcement mechanism for building standards, and it provides an incentive to move to ever higher energy efficiencies and carbon-free energy sources. As engineering and cultural tipping points are reached, the phase-over to post-fossil energy sources will accelerate. Tar sands and shale would be dead and there would be no need to drill Earth’s pristine extremes for the last drops of oil.
Some leaders of big environmental organizations have said I’m naïve to posit an alternative to cap-and-trade, and have suggested I stick to climate modeling. Let’s pass a bill, any bill, now and improve it later, they say. The real naïveté is their belief that they, and not the fossil-fuel interests, are driving the legislative process.
The fact is that the climate course set by Waxman-Markey is a disaster course. Their bill is an astoundingly inefficient way to get a tiny reduction of emissions. It’s less than worthless, because it will delay by at least a decade starting on a path that is fundamentally sound from the standpoints of both economics and climate preservation.
Former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, who died this week, suffered for 40 years — as did our country — from his failure to turn back from a failed policy. As grave as the blunders of the Vietnam War were, the consequences of a failed climate policy will be more severe by orders of magnitude.
With the Senate debate over climate now beginning, there is still time to turn back from cap-and-trade and toward fee-and-dividend. We need to start now. Without political leadership creating a truly viable policy like a carbon fee, not only won’t we get meaningful climate legislation through the Senate, we won’t be able to create the concerted approach we need globally to prevent catastrophic climate change.
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The Vietnam comment he concludes with is pretty highly offensive to a lot of people, especially those of us who lost relatives in that conflict.
Yes, and that someone that said that was Stephen Hawking in 1988, it was taken out of context and has been regurgitated by Gore and Hansen ever since. It is absolutely impossible for Earth to be anything remotely like Venus. The only thing Venus and Earth have in common is their size, period, that is all.
Steve Smith (17:29:19) :
When I was in high school we were taught the composition of air. CO2 concentration was reckoned to be so small that it was, for all practical purposes, zero. Nowadays even a smidgen of CO2 will heat us up and two smidgens will boil our livers.
Can’t someone design a simple experiment with a constant long wave radition source and air with different concentrations of CO2 in a closed atmosphere to see if adding CO2 actually does warm the air due to a greenhouse effect? Has this already been done?
We’ve already done this experiment. Take 2 greenhouses [top vents open], leave 1 at ambient CO2, @390 ppm, and pump CO2 into the other to 1000 ppm [common commercial greenhouse CO2 levels]. Take temperature measurements at different times during the day. You will find that there is virtually NO difference in temperature between the two greenhouses, but the plants in the 1000 ppm greenhouse will grow much better and faster.
Even if they don’t think it, they leave out any notion that would reveal that only 3% (3ppm) of that CO2 is from human emissions.
I include that, but only half is reabsorbed. The rest accumulates (up to the level of persistence). I do not doubt, until I see something to the contrary that convinces me, that much of the 100 ppm increase comes from that extra 3% per year.
However I do not see any danger in the amount or current rate of increase of CO2. Actually, there seem to have been benefits.
The Vietnam comment he concludes with is pretty highly offensive to a lot of people, especially those of us who lost relatives in that conflict.
FWIW, in my opinion, we should have withdrawn 400,000 from Vietnam. And “deployed” the remaining 100,000 around two hundred miles to the north. (That probably would have ultimately saved around 4 million lives.)
Pete, that’s the first thing that’s caught my eye in weeks. Could you tell us more about the experiment?
Was it done in a scientific manner? Has anything been published?
Have you tried to publicize it? Are you willing to repeat it?
Pete (19:48:58) :
” Take 2 greenhouses [top vents open], leave 1 at ambient CO2, @390 ppm, and pump CO2 into the other to 1000 ppm [common commercial greenhouse CO2 levels]. Take temperature measurements at different times during the day. You will find that there is virtually NO difference in temperature between the two greenhouses, but the plants in the 1000 ppm greenhouse will grow much better and faster.”
Thank you for the information.
This is analogous to the Secretary of Commerce doing commercials for a bank in his/her role as a ‘private citizen’. A very thin veneer indeed.
Ron de Haan (17:44:50) :
“Keep calling those Senators.”
I’ve called about a dozen democrat senators who are up for election next year, and I plan to call all senators in the near future. However, I won’t call Barbara Boxer, it’s a waste of time–kind of like wrestling with a greased pig, you can’t win and the pig doesn’t know what’s going on.
At the G-8, the Chinese have said they will hold out against implementing any reductions until the major polluting western countries increase their commitment to Co2 reduction. I think this is a very clever move on the part of the Chinese. If western countries agree to do this, their economies will be destroyed leaving the Chinese standing, even stronger than they are now. We western countries have to stop inspecting our own collective colons and smarten the hell up NOW !! Our leaders need to enhance their spines before we end up third world countries ourselves.
Yes and Yes.
Read here for proof in 1909 by physicist R.W. Wood.
Wonderful imagery – now I too have another reason for not contacting “ma’am” Boxer, thank you.
in 1947 the UK unilaterally declared it would no longer research the development or manufacture of chemical or biological weapons. It was going to lead the way and put “moral pressure” upon the other nations of the world, to shame them in to doing the same.
The rest is history.
If the USA cuts its carbon footprint and damages its economy in the way proposed by Hansen the other governments of the world will see it as a reprieve from making the hard decisions they are being told they must make, breath a sigh of relief and carry on as before because “America is saving the world” for us.
Alright now let’s not go to the “economies are gonna burst into flames” alarmism. Where we are housing prices are up 14% and unemployment is non-existent (Peoples BC).
What’s highly amusing about Hansen is his uncanny ability to befuddle omnipotence. With these outbursts, followed by prudent warnings, followed by protest appearances, followed by dire warnings, and now a divine lecture – us sober people are left spinning. This guy begins to make Super Barak look tame.
Better than TV!
doesn’t look like Jim Hansen still doing Mr. Gore’s outsorced brainwork.
Kirk W. Hanneman (19:40:48): The Vietnam comment he concludes with is pretty highly offensive to a lot of people, especially those of us who lost relatives in that conflict.
Agreed, but consider that the Alarmist Media has branded climate realists as “deniers” and Gore makes Hitler references. The level of derogatory allusion perped by the Alarmists is deeply insulting to the entire human race. “Flat earthers” is a tame canard by comparison.
Folks like Hansen and Gore know no ethical bounds, are purveyors of venomous hate rants, and wouldn’t know a scruple if it bit them on their backsides. They are beneath contempt.
So don’t be offended. The Alarmists are so off the wall as to be laughably ludicrous. They are like tiny yapping dogs, nipping at ankles and peeing on everything. The public is bored of them. Jim and Al belong on Jerry Springer, not testifying before the U.S. Congress. They are a freak show at the dark edges of the carnival.
Wouldn’t it be a good idea to invite Mr. Hansen to testify at the senate hearings about the Waxman-Markey bill ?
“Once again he tries to take the “representing himself as a private citizen” tact while at the same time citing his NASA credentials.”
Montjoie (18:43:20) :
“Um — I think it’s “tack” not “tact.” I think it’s a sailing term. You tack this way, then that way. But it’s not “tact” whatever it is.”
You are right, although tack (as in tackle) is also a term for the equipment used to guide a horse. (i.e. reins, bridle etc.)
“ignite a devil’s cauldron of melted icecaps, bubbling permafrost, and combustible forests from which there will be no turning back!”
Don’t witches have cauldrons? What would the devil do with a cauldron?
Not sure that it was Hawkins who first suggested Venus’ atmosphere was caused by greenhouse gases, it was a theory in the public domain in the late 50s and maybe before.
David Ball (21:52:31) :
The Chinese retort of “What you worried about?” comes to mind.
I hope the West realizes the consequence of us playing to thier tune (promises).
You go first, we’ll follow as soon as we see you clear the minefield.
Pete (19:48:58) :
‘Take temperature measurements at different times during the day. You will find that there is virtually NO difference in temperature between the two greenhouses, but the plants in the 1000 ppm greenhouse will grow much better and faster.’
Hmm. Are you are saying that my “CO2 Climate Control System” for your average home won’t work?
So what. I’ll just build a computer program that says it does and get someone like Al Gore to promote it. I’ll need Hollywood backing and “above all” lots of governments grants to hand out to support the claim. Then I’ll need suckers, I mean customers to buy my “CO2 Climate Control System”.
…ignite a devil’s cauldron of melted icecaps, bubbling permafrost, and combustible forests…
1. How do you ignite a melted icecap? Got it: waterproof matches.
2. Bubbling permafrost? Ah yes, a great 70’s prog-rock band.
3. Combustible forests? I thought they were by definition; being made of wood ‘n’ all?
Cheers
Mark.
Serious question here. Is it possible that James Hansen has a “Beautiful Mind” (mental illness)?
“ignite a devil’s cauldron of melted icecaps, bubbling permafrost, and combustible forests from which there will be no turning back”
plot .. lost …
Though I’m glad to see that he still recognises a Ponzi scheme when he sees one.
re: greenhouses – I think it was R. W. Wood [1909].
And the prize for the fastest way to cool a greenhouse goes to .. water vapour.
The “greased pig” as Sen. Thong is clever, but the original is even better. It is, if recall serves, the work of Ramesh Ponnuru, senior editor at NR, from his days at Dartmouth: “Don’t get in the mud to wrestle with a pig. You both get filthy, but the pig likes it.”
The added emissions of jaw dropping hyperbole will set our profession irreversibly onto a course toward an fact-free state, a course that will initiate a chain reaction of irreversible and catastrophic career changes.
Edited for accuracy