"…frost has never been reported before in July"

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Frost in July hits P.E.I. from CBC News

Temperatures dropped to a record low in Prince Edward Island overnight Tuesday, with reports of frost throughout the province.

An official record low of 3.8 C was set early Wednesday morning at Charlottetown airport.

The previous record for that date was 5.1 C, set in 2005.

Bob Robichaud, a meteorologist with Environment Canada, said that to his knowledge, frost has never been reported before in July in P.E.I.

“That 3.8 we got last night kind of sticks out as being lower than some of the other records for anytime in early July,” Robichaud told CBC News on Wednesday.

“So we’re looking at a significant event,” he said.

Environment Canada has issued a frost risk warning in low-lying areas of the province for Wednesday night. The temperature is expected to dip to 4 C.

The forecast for Thursday, however, calls for sunny skies and a temperature of 22 C for the province.

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Paul Vaughan
July 8, 2009 6:06 pm

More focus on temperature range is needed in climate research.

Ian L. McQueen
July 8, 2009 6:07 pm

Our forecast for New Brunswick (which “cradles” PEI together with Nova Scotia) includes the possibility of frost in low-lying areas of the province tonight. Also unknown before.
IanM

Ron de Haan
July 8, 2009 6:13 pm

Not even in 1816?

Adam from Kansas
July 8, 2009 6:13 pm

Well I can see global cooling being the cause, as there has been relatively cool weather compared to average in other places like the Pacific Northwest and Kentucky, have these random areas of cool air going about here and there.
Though we have to see where temperatures go over the next few months, Bob Tisdale reported June SST’s have the 4th highest peak in the entire dataset after 1998, 2003, and 2006, if it goes down immediately it will likely not mean anything rivaling or surpassing 1998. If it does mean a upward trend since 1998 in global temps. then the warmers are going to throw a party declaring victory over those who say CO2 isn’t causing the world to warm.

Adam from Kansas
July 8, 2009 6:16 pm

Here’s the link
http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2009/07/june-2009-sst-anomaly-update.html
SST’s rose quite a bit in June, mainly because the PDO cool area vanished for most of that month (it’s back now according to Unisys)

SteveSadlov
July 8, 2009 6:28 pm

Anthony, not sure you heard about this, toward the end of June it got down into the 30s at Crescent City. Unreal.

Justin Sane
July 8, 2009 6:36 pm

Even though there is no longer any ‘Global Warming’, the so called average temperature is still above levels from the the past 100 years, and therefore these temperature anomalies are nothing but weather extremes, not cooling as such.

July 8, 2009 6:38 pm

Adam from Kansas (18:13:50) :
Well I can see global cooling being the cause, as there has been relatively cool weather compared to average in other places like the Pacific Northwest and Kentucky, have these random areas of cool air going about here and there.
Though we have to see where temperatures go over the next few months, Bob Tisdale reported June SST’s have the 4th highest peak in the entire dataset after 1998, 2003, and 2006, if it goes down immediately it will likely not mean anything rivaling or surpassing 1998. If it does mean a upward trend since 1998 in global temps. then the warmers are going to throw a party declaring victory over those who say CO2 isn’t causing the world to warm.

I don’t think so, Adam. It’s local or regional weather. The National Meteorological Service has been trying to scare us with temperatures higher than 40 °C; nevertheless, just at the moment the thermometers go up to 37 °C, clouds cover the sky or starts raining and the temperatures drop down to 32 °C, so we have had a benign summer, compared with usual temperatures in July. 😉

DR
July 8, 2009 6:42 pm

The bigger question is if the oceans are retaining more heat than is showing up at the surface.

Robert Wood
July 8, 2009 6:48 pm

Hey, it’s just weather, not climate.
However, if we have a freak heatwave for a couple of days, it’s climate!
Sorry for the piling on, but I do get really pissed-off about this jopurnalistic double standard.

Adam from Kansas
July 8, 2009 6:53 pm

519 record low max temps. in 7 days according to NOAA, I was actually surprised at this
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/records/index.php?ts=daily&elem=lomx&month=7&day=0&year=2009&submitted=Get+Records
Acting against the wishes of NOAA and the IPCC, mother nature dished 218 more record low max temps. than record high max temps. (link below)
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/records/index.php?ts=daily&elem=maxt&month=7&day=0&year=2009&submitted=Get+Records
Talk about some doozy cold spells

Robert Wood
July 8, 2009 6:56 pm

DR (@8:42:50
The bigger question is if the oceans are retaining more heat than is showing up at the surface.
This is nonsensical. The physical properties of water will always push the energy upwards. In fresh water, the Great Lakes for example, the bottom temperature is always 4C; in the oceans it is lower, due to the salt content. There can be no “hidden heat”, secretly scurried away by those global warming squirrels supporting water molecules at the bidding of Jim Bob Hansen.

GlennB
July 8, 2009 6:57 pm

Meanwhile in London just a week after a so called “heatwave” that many locales would kill for, it’s 64/52F in a July average of 73/59F, according to MSN.
http://weather.msn.com/local.aspx?&wealocations=wc%3aUKXX0085&q=London%2c+GBR&setunit=F

Dave Wendt
July 8, 2009 7:01 pm

The headlines for the press releases for Jan 2010 have already been written.
2009 ONE OF THE TEN WARMEST YEARS OF THE 21ST CENTURY!!!!

Benjamin P.
July 8, 2009 7:10 pm

Record Highs set in Alaska yesterday (7/7) and today (7/8)…
Weather is not climate, amirite?

Pamela Gray
July 8, 2009 7:15 pm

I think the records are a good source of what the weather pattern is up to. I check the records every now and then. The majority of records on a daily basis have been more low lows and more low highs, followed by an even race, and then trailing far behind with more warm records. These records do not necessarily point to average temps dipping or rising. However, in an unstable loopy jet stream pattern, the range of temps is bound to be greater than when the jet stream is stable. It seems a reasonable hypothesis to say that low temp records coincide with a loopy jet stream while high temps coincide with a straight jet stream. I wonder if some kind of statistical analysis on these daily records would show us more about weather pattern variation than average temps.

Evan Jones
Editor
July 8, 2009 7:27 pm

Even though there is no longer any ‘Global Warming’, the so called average temperature is still above levels from the the past 100 years, and therefore these temperature anomalies are nothing but weather extremes, not cooling as such.
You realize that the raw data for the 1221 USHCN stations (as poorly as they are sited) show only an average of +0.141C per station since we have been measuring temperatures? All the rest is “adjustment” (some perhaps legit, some probably not.)
So, yeah, warmer. But by how much?
One also has to consider that the Little Ice Age did not end until 1840. And most of the rise of the 20th century occurred before 1950.
You also realize that biomass has greatly increased over the last couple of decades (esp. in the rain forests), and that cold-related deaths remain four times that of heat-related deaths.
So assuming that temperatures do not rise uncontrollably from this point, we are in a pretty good situation. Cooler would be worse.

DonK31
July 8, 2009 7:35 pm

Dave Wendt: You’re so bad. This could also be considered as among the coolest10% of the 21’st century.

DonK31
July 8, 2009 7:35 pm

Good joke, though.

Ryan C
July 8, 2009 7:43 pm

frost warning here in nova scotia tonight as well

July 8, 2009 8:01 pm

All that “hidden” heat in the pipeline is in South Cental Texas.
The triple digits (°F) continue day-after-day, and throw in some humidity,
it’s mighty uncomfortable outside (unless you’re in a pool).

Robert Rust
July 8, 2009 8:06 pm

I have a request. Can I get a reasonalbe warmist point of view on the following scenario:
I build a greenhouse in my back yard. Each year, I add a small additional layer of plastic so as to increase the insulation. I have the same number of 100 Watt lightbulbs warming the greenhouse during the winter months (the “unchanging sun”). How is it possible that it gets colder in the greenhouse in years where I’ve insulated it the most? (Since the Earth is floating in space, my analogy requires that each year, the winter temps are the same in my back yard.)

Basil
Editor
July 8, 2009 8:10 pm

Some idea of the geographical scope of recent cool weather is given by this anomaly map:
http://ds.data.jma.go.jp/tcc/tcc/products/climate/synop/td20090708_e.png
This is for the week ending Jul 7. The baseline here is the standard WMO climatology, i.e. 1970-2000.
The host site for this is:
http://ds.data.jma.go.jp/tcc/tcc/products/climate/synop.html
It looks to me, visually, as if about half the world was cooler than normal, and half was warmer. Imagine that!
Reminds me of the definition of a statistician as someone who can stand with one foot in a bucket of boiling water, and the other in a bucket of freezing water, and say that “on the average” he feels just fine.
Yes, this is all just weather. But there is a climatology that it is being measured against, and it doesn’t look to me like the weather is all that different than the climatology. Which is just another way of saying that climate isn’t changing, it is just reflecting its natural variability.

Paul Vaughan
July 8, 2009 8:12 pm

Pamela Gray (19:15:13) “I wonder if some kind of statistical analysis on these daily records would show us more about weather pattern variation than average temps.
You raise an excellent point Pamela. For the longest time I could not find a variable that would relate consistently with precipitation & extreme monthly temperatures in my region (Pacific Northwest of North America) […without resorting to, for example, big lags] — but finally!: I realized the extremes relate to Earth Orientation Parameters (length of day & polar motion). I’ve just started getting the insights over the past few weeks – back to work on them right now….
Note: I’ve just posted a related graph over here:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/07/01/another-paper-showing-evidence-of-a-solar-signature-in-temperature-records/
There will be more.

Paul Vaughan
July 8, 2009 8:21 pm

Basil (20:10:54) “Reminds me of the definition of a statistician as someone who can stand with one foot in a bucket of boiling water, and the other in a bucket of freezing water, and say that “on the average” he feels just fine.”
Thanks for reminding me of that one Basil. Have you found any time to approach your solar/terrestrial-temperature study via cross-wavelet methods yet?

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