Climate Bill Passes in House

Just Want Results… (10:15:14) : “Nah, they have printing presses”
I wrote an exquiste response and I lost it. So I’m sorry if this sounds abrupt.
Yes, they can print up all they like. But you have to understand that the ONLY reason currencies (any kind) are accepted is because they can purchase gold, and gold futures contracts and leases. So a printing press is meaningless. Can’t print up GOLD gold, and GOLD gold will be demanded if we don’t ship more jobs to China.
That is why they voted in favor of the bank bail outs last year, despite (even among their own ranks) a very strong, if not overwhelming support against that. The Fed Chairman was even confronted, in front of both house and senate, about the possibility of gold default. Ben Bernanke told them something to the effect of “Hey… gold was supposed to be YOUR responsibility… not mine!”
So I have no reason to think they will vote in favor of a default when thus far they’ve been nothing but against that (we can go back years and see similar behavior). Its the elephant in the room that they are absolutely determined to avoid dealing with. I mean come on… How can so many of them actually beleive this dark fairytale of human emissions destroying the earth, given that politicians’ jobs is to take in information and deal with all sorts of people? They must be aware of what the dissent has to say, but why would they care to heed them when it’s the difference between a bit longer in power and wealth and the comfort of evasion?
Therefore, I would recommend that, in communitcating with your reps, that people also tell them that they do not want to prop up the market for govt securities any longer. Not with your health, not with your future nor that of your kids and grandkids.
That is what this all about: using silly stories to prop up the market for government debt obligations.
Vinny said: “Gee Benjamin and it only took Obama 4 months to nearly bankrupt us. Wait until he rams health care on us.”
He wants to tax it too. Repubs and Dems alike are just merely in minor disagreement on the details. Anyway, he had help from at least 30 years of politicians before him. He’s just the coup de grace, which will happen faster, I think, if we don’t errect windmills and nationalize hospitals and such.
Anyway, guys, nice talking to you both. I’ve done enough yapping for one day!

Anthropogenic Spongification!
A new danger now stalks the ecosphere. Outlined in the May 2009 Atlantic Monthly, “rampant sponge reproduction” threatens to suck up the world’s oceans. Before you snicker, remember there were other environmental alarms initially rejected as silly. Who would have thought, for instance, that carbon dioxide, an atmospheric trace gas vital to plant life, from crops to rainforests, would be revealed as a toxic pollutant?
The sponge, a marine invertebrate once thought harmless, even beneficial, soaks up ten times its weight in water. If sponge populations are permitted to escalate, our oceans will disappear, warns an upcoming report from a UN panel of sponging experts.
Evidence of the impending catastrophe rests on ingenious computer models that predict explosive growth in sponges over the next 50 years, 5 weeks, 8 hours, 26 minutes. Incorporating the assumption that love owes more to proximity than affinity, these models predict that as sponge population densities increase, sex-crazed sponges will multiply at an ever-accelerating rate. In science, this is known as “positive feedback.” The resulting, ominous “hockey puck” pie chart shows the oceans transformed into one, enormous sponge.
Media reports allow no doubt that sponges are proliferating. This appears to correlate with the post-industrial shift from natural sponge harvesting to manufactured, icky plastic sponges—proof that the looming disaster is anthropogenic, which is Greek for “all our fault.”
Skeptics are dismissed, since four out of five researchers whose funding relates to Anthropogenic Global Spongification believe it a real and swelling problem, even though an unaccountable sponge decline in the past few years has redefined the threat as “Anthropogenic Sponge Change.”
But don’t worry. The EPA has declared H2O a toxic pollutant, and Congress is responding to the crisis with a huge tax, called “Cap and Squeeze,” to reduce man-made sponge. In support, a certain former Vice President plans a new video, “An Inconvenient Sop,” featuring desolate vistas of the Potomac mudflats, and giant sucking sounds, designed to frighten schoolchildren (as well it should). Economic and job losses will be offset, the President assures us, as working Americans learn to subsist by diving for renewable, all-natural, organic sponges.

Max (12:46:43) :
Anthropogenic Spongification!
Too funny! Well done

Interesting that Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) voted nay. He opposed the TARP bill too, as I recall.

Dr Reese (10:23:08) :
Now we can get on with moving forward! Odd how some folks cling to the 19th century — fraught with fear. There are no BOOGYMEN! We have brain power in America and finally we are going to be able to use it and address living in the 21st century. Hooray for change because it is opportunity in disguise!
Dr Reese,
Always interesting to meet people who confuse a “coup” against humanity with “opportunity”.

From: iceagenow.com for pdf download entire article.
The vindication of carbon means the vindication of human freedom
By Robert D. Brinsmead
The war on carbon is an ill-disguised war on humanity. It is time to rip
away the mask and expose the movement whose real aim is to put the
human race in chains to a system that controls every aspect of human
existence. It is time to stand up and say, “You take your jackboots off
my carbon and off my life.”
This is a good read for those who think that the Waxman Climate Bill is all about “opportunity”, promotion of green technology and the improvement of the environment.

Smokey (11:56:54) :
‘…….simply because it’s something that President Hopey Change wanted passed. It is a really huge tax increase, no more and no less — ‘
It is also a transfer of wealth to other nations with nothing in return.
President Obama says this will make us energy independent. What he doesn’t tell us we will be dependent to other nations for carbon credit.
Can you say support your local dictator

“I can’t begin to tell you how many calls we’ve received,” said Rep. Charles Gonzalez, D-Texas. “And it’s disproportionately vote ‘no.’”
Gonzalez, who voted “yes,” believes special interest groups generated many of the calls on both sides, including the late surge of negative feedback.

So much for that “servant of the people” idea. Oh, and throw the whole “REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT” idea out the window too. The new meme of the week is “if too many people are against what I’m doing, they must be some ‘special interest’ group”.
I’m thinking the majority of the current crop of “D” representatives were exposed to too much LDS in the 60s (it’s a Star Trek 4 quote). There is nothing else I can think of that adequately explains their inability to see that what they are doing is wrong. Oh yeah, it would be easy to think they’re just going ahead and doing what they know is wrong… but why assume malice when ignorance is such an accurate assessment?
So in future, I read the names on what we used to call “Representatives” and I will always see the “D” as meaning “Dimwit”. Also possible: dense, dullard, dopehead, dented, deluded, deceived. The “R” people, on the other hand, appear to be “Realist”. Also possible: reliable, representative. Once in a while one of the “D” people puts an “R” beside their name, and it’s sad but true that the “R” in that case stands for “retarded”.

This is the part I don’t get. What do I do when my party changes its underlying premise to one I can’t support? The platforms of all our parties have morphed so many times it is hard to tell what century this is. The Republicans are hard bent to bow to the intelligently designed right, and the Democrats are hard bent to bow to the earth muffins of the left. They both worship psuedo-science complete with a god attached. The only difference is that one is manly and gray-haired, and the other is a woman with bugs in her dread locks.
Where did these groups come from? I wish they would form their own parties instead of hijacking mine. Even the Independent party candidate was of the intelligently designed right and forked up the same old tired line that there is a higher law that supersedes common sense and practicality. Are we growing fields of “stupid” and putting it into our milk along with the other stuff that’s in there? Has the iodine in salt been replaced by vitamin “S”? I am left lamenting my once dear home and the party my grandfather belonged to (granted, he was a prejudiced southern democrat but the party had changed when I came of age).
Little Bo-Peep has lost her peep,
And can’t tell where to find them;
They gave them a bone, they took my home,
Leaving me to wander around dem.

In the U S ones home is usually the greater part of ones personal property.If this bill passes the senate it will virtually abrogate personal property rights in the U S because the value and therefore the sales price of the property will be decided by Commissar Waxman’s and Comrade Pelosi’s Climate Police disguised as property appraisers. The bill nationalises all building codes and sets national standard for property appraisers and provides money to train the Appraisal Enforcers in the “right ” way to make the appraisal in line with government regulations.
Furthermore to emphasise that your house belongs to the state and not to you any alterations or improvements will have to be approved by inspectors using federal standards to ensure that they comply with their carbon – cap bill regulations. Such regulations will also override any deed restrictions, HOA bye laws , covenants etc.
All this based on the IPCC – Al Gore scientifically fraudulent paradigm of a world warming because of anthropogenic CO2 when the real world has been cooling for 5 years and when 2008 was cooler than 1997- 11 years with CO2 up 6% and no net warming.
This Bill should be the central issue in the mid -term elections and the subject of tea- parties all over the country. Please make sure that all the homeowners in your subdivision know what’s in this property nationalisation bill.

“The Liberal-Democratic wing of the ruling Establishment Party pushed through a climate-change bill that upset members of the Conservative-Republican wing of the same Establishment Party. The Republicans squawked that the voluminous bill was not even available for reading at the time of the vote, forgetting that the same complaint was offered when the Democrats were on the receiving end of the Republicans “Patriot Act” measure a few years back.”
Won’t have time to read it? It’s not even written yet. I’d say it’s high time some folks began being as skeptical of their government as they are of AGW.

Yep, I’d say it’s high time some folks began being as skeptical of their government as they are of AGW.