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Source inside EPA confirms claims of science being ignored, suppressed, by top EPA management
by Richard Morrison, Competitive Enterprise Institute
Washington, D.C., June 26, 2009—The Competitive Enterprise Institute is today making public an internal study on climate science which was suppressed by the Environmental Protection Agency. Internal EPA email messages, released by CEI earlier in the week, indicate that the report was kept under wraps and its author silenced because of pressure to support the Administration’s agenda of regulating carbon dioxide.
The report finds that EPA, by adopting the United Nations’ 2007 “Fourth Assessment” report, is relying on outdated research and is ignoring major new developments. Those developments include a continued decline in global temperatures, a new consensus that future hurricanes will not be more frequent or intense, and new findings that water vapor will moderate, rather than exacerbate, temperature.
New data also indicate that ocean cycles are probably the most important single factor in explaining temperature fluctuations, though solar cycles may play a role as well, and that reliable satellite data undercut the likelihood of endangerment from greenhouse gases. All of this demonstrates EPA should independently analyze the science, rather than just adopt the conclusions of outside organizations.
The released report is a draft version, prepared under EPA’s unusually short internal review schedule, and thus may contain inaccuracies which were corrected in the final report.
“While we hoped that EPA would release the final report, we’re tired of waiting for this agency to become transparent, even though its Administrator has been talking transparency since she took office. So we are releasing a draft version of the report ourselves, today,” said CEI General Counsel Sam Kazman.
Read the censored report here:
http://cei.org/cei_files/fm/active/0/DOC062509-004.pdf
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A test for Svensmark’s theory:
As solar activity declines and CGR’s pick up, should not the RH go back up?
(page 84 of the report where I got the idea).
The link given in the report is broken, but I found a new one.
http://www.cdc.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/data/timeseries/
Give him no quarter.
I wouldn’t give him a nickel.
Great stuff – I am distributing links to this on UK boards.
We will win this, AGW proponents are in a minority now and their crying wolf is getting old. I’m a huge Obama fan but he is wrong on this “excuse to tax” & it could cost him 2nd term.
The nerve gas of the guy!
The Alarmists are becoming ever more terroristic. If they can’t scare you with boiling seas, they try to intimidate you with personal threats.
We’ve seen this for many years in forestry. One of my classmates was a victim of the Unabomber. “Peaceful” protestors throw bags of excrement and burn down Ranger Stations. A dozen or more eco-terrorists are in the Fed Pen right now for throwing jugs of gasoline into school buildings, burning down ski areas, and blowing up power towers.
When the radical eco-Left doesn’t get their way, they turn violent. Do not discount their threats. Instead, take names and let them know they are being watched. Speaking of which, what is dhogaza’s real name?
REPLY: I’d love to tell you, but I can’t. All I can suggest is searching the web with that handle as written. – Anthony
Could it be Paul Andreano?
Reply: no
rbateman
tried but got this
http://www.cdc.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/data/timeseries/
Oops!
Sorry, you do not have permissions for the page or resource you requested.
If you believe there may be a problem, you can email the webmaster to report an issue.
maybe were being banned LOL
wattsupwiththat (23:25:11) :
Give him no quarter.
He needs a room alright, a padded one.
No matter. I figured it out. So can most people, including the FBI.
dhogaza better hope and pray that none of his threats ever come to fruition. Because if any climate realist (aka skeptic) is ever harmed by a terrorist, he will be getting a knock on his door from the authorities.
Mike D. (23:58:19)
Mike, he is real easy to find. I’d tell you but Anthony or one of his minions would probably snip me. He does live West of the Mississippi.
Tom Fuller has an update to his article. He interviewed Dr. Carlin who denied leaking the e-mails or report to CEI. The update does not mention that Dr. Carlin confirmed the authenticity of the document on the CEI website but does mention that he was advised to get a lawyer, but doesn’t mention WHO advised him to do that.
“(UPDATE: Mr. Carlin, who I interviewed this evening, says that he did not approach the Competitive Enterprise Institute and did not know they were involved until a reporter contacted him on Tuesday). via the Competitive Enterprise Institute after realising that there would be no debate about the science. The lectures by the scientists are available on the EPA website, but were not even mentioned in the Finding. Carlin was advised to get an attorney–and has since been reassigned to mundane work, some of which is normally performed by outside contractors”
I’m sure the CEI folks would not intentionally post a fabricated document, but we still don’t have confirmation of the provenance of that thing we’ve been spreading around to our Congress people. A lot of the material looks like it could have come right off WUWT. The document certainly looks like too much effort for a set-up, but then, so do the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
“H.L.Mencken wrote:The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”
It seems to me there are four issues that need highlighting in order to counter the pseudo science that many people either wilfully misuse or
don’t understand (and consequently switch off from the debate)
1) The cost that regulating co2 will have on the average Joe (energy hikes etc)
2) Unreasonable restrictions on business that will bring with them a further hike in costs to the consumer
3) The freedoms we will lose when ‘irresponsible’ use of carbon is taxed and regulated (travel etc)
4) Explainmig why a ‘polluting’ gas shouldn’t be reguilated, as doing so will bring innumerable benefits to the world (according to those promoting their environmental and political ideology
We know the climate hobgoblins are scurrying round a climate emperor who has no clothes, but a lot of people want to be ‘led to safety’ and they appear to be the only hobgoblins in town!
Tonyb
The document states it’s an expansion of two previous documents by the same author. That makes me think that its chances of not being genuine are extremely remote.
I’ve seen and taken note of dhogaza posts for awhile on other sites and now googling and reading their comments in more detail, most being very crude and inflammatory. There’s a disturbing trend I’ve noticed, Anthony’s name being mentioned in posts with anger from them, even when no connection to WUWT was mentioned.
This person is obsessed with you and appeals to the lunatic fringe. This not about what dhogaza might do or not, but him being the internet instigator that might make you the lighting rod for Internet crazies if this energy bill is delayed. Seriously, please be careful.
Sincerely,
Lance from BC Can.
Aaagh, quit your griping fellas! You should be used to being deceived & lied to by the EPA. What with DDT, Passive Smoking (no matter how noble a cause, lies should not be dealt in), Polar Bears, now Carbon Dioxide, & all the rest that will cause “wagtd”. We have had it over here for yeyears only it’s executed by the Civil Service at the unnofficial behest of government.
A note of caution, MJ has passed away suddenly, a rare musical talent lost to the world but who had major issues, & Farah Fawcett – a beautiful woman & wonderful actress, lost to the world, may she rest in peace – as they say over here, “Now is a good time to bury bad news”!!!!!!!!! Watch the msm carefully to see what slips by unnoticed. MJ’s death was announced on a major radio station @ur momisugly 6:00am today, three shows later & we’re on our 5th MJ tune already.
I expect better from this site than a citation to CEI. Just sayin’.
And this is exactly what we expect from you.
evanmjones (01:16:15) :
You may be right… but I’d still feel lots better with solid verification. Dr. Carlin’s name has already been associated with it, he’s denied leaking it, someone advised him to retain an attorney… can’t he just say “Yeah, that’s the second draft, alright, but I didn’t leak it. I wouldn’t dream of doing such a thing…”
Hmmf. I also want you to know that if this whole thing does blow up in our faces, I’m NOT a big enough man to refrain from saying “I told you so!”
May I suggest that if it’s shown that scientific data about the effect of oceanic oscillations on the global climate has been suppressed that we refer to its revelation as Watergate, thus completing the cycle.
Reply: Consider yourself high-fived. ~ charles the moderator
I haven’t read the draft report that CEI posted but I did have a look at the bibliography.
I think some other good papers Al could have referenced or per
Damn, slipped on the keyboard.
Anyway some good papers he could have used:
Chylek et.al 2007 Limits on climate sensitivity derived from recent satellite and surface observations. J. Geophys. Res., 112, D24S04, doi:10.1029/2007JD008740.
Douglass, D.H., J.R. Christy, 2009: Limits on CO2 climate forcing from recent temperature data of Earth. Energy & Environment, 20, 178-189
Spencer and Bracewel, 2008 Potential Biases in Feedback Diagnosis from Observational Data: A Simple Model Demonstration
Compo and Sardeshmukh, 2008: Oceanic influences on recent continental warming
Allowing for it being a draft, Carlin’s work is an excellent scientific commentary on the issues. Congralutions to everyone involved, particulary the EPA people.
Read the Skeptical Enviromentalist about 3 years ago Never gave another thought to the LIE of global warming …Though i do think the Congress needs a good addressing behind the woodshed i think we would run out of switches before common sense will move back in on this subject to much lobbying and power involved now !
New article up at Fuller’s place.
Nice heads up, Jeez, that offer of a beverage when I’m in your area still goes. SO Fuller is depicting Dr. Carlin as a “whistleblower”… but doesn’t come right out and say that the document on the CEI site is the same document Carlin wrote. Sounds like Dr. Carlin is a man of integrity who is about to ask the Lord to make him truly grateful for what he is about to receive….
rephelan (01:42:17) :
You may be right… but I’d still feel lots better with solid verification. Dr. Carlin’s name has already been associated with it, he’s denied leaking it, someone advised him to retain an attorney… can’t he just say “Yeah, that’s the second draft, alright, but I didn’t leak it. I wouldn’t dream of doing such a thing…”
Given EPAs statement to Fuller acknowledging that an employee had contrary opinions that were actually considered by the agency, I also think the odds that this is a hoax are remote. If it were a hoax, EPA would have just denied everything.
{This just in – Fuller posted notes on an interview with Carlini where Carlin acknowledges writing the report but not giving CEI the e-mails – it’s not a hoax}
Thanks, Shihad, for the links to those papers.
reply to: aegeneral
“Who controls the four branches of government right now, media being the fourth? That’s right.”
Don’t you see what’s happening? The internet is becoming the fouth estate. MSM is failing commercially everywhere and are engaged in a last ditch stand supporting the catastrophist position. I don’t believe anything I read in MSM about climate change (sorry, warming) and it’s up to us to persuade others to think the same way.