Renewable energy – our downfall?

This essay below from Ralph Ellis was posted in comments a couple of days ago, and I decided to promote it to a full post.

For the record, let me say that I support some of the renewable energy ideas, even putting money where my mouth is, putting solar on my own home and a local school. However, neither project would have been possible without state subsidies. For renewable energy to work in our economy, it must move past the government  subsidy stage and become more efficient. It took over a hundred years t create our current energy infrastructure, anyone who believes we can completely rebuild it with the current crop of renewable energy technologies is not realistic. – Anthony

Renewable energy – our downfall? By Ralph Ellis

The government, under pressure from a disparate confederation of environmentalists and greens, have agreed to press ahead with a host of renewable energy sources, including wind, tidal and wave power. Yet, despite the vast sums of public money that will be allocated to these projects and the fundamental enormity of the decisions that have been made, there has been very little in the way of open debate on the subject. Like many aspects of today’s governmental system, the powers that be appear to have made a decision about future energy production based upon image, spin and the number of votes the policy will capture, while ignoring the basic truths and science that should be the foundation-stone of any policy. Nobody has even debated the absolutely fundamental question of whether any of these energy generation systems actually work. The media’s reaction to this steamrollered, image-based decision-making process has been muted to the point of being inaudible, and I can only assume that either very few in the media have any grasp of the calamitous implications of the government’s policy, or they are cowering behind their desks for fear of losing their jobs.

So why, then, do I consider renewable energy to be a danger to the entire nation, both economically and socially? This is, after all, ‘free energy’, and what can be the problem with a free resource? Well, as readers will probably be fully aware, no resource is free even if it appears to be so, and this is the first of the many lies about renewable energy that have been peddled by industry spokesmen and government ministers. Oil is not free, despite it just sitting in the ground; water is not free, despite it falling from the sky; nuclear power is not free, despite the raw materials being ridiculously cheap, and neither is any renewable energy resource ‘free’. In fact, the conversion process from ‘free’ renewable energy to usable grid electricity is remarkably expensive and its enormous costs are being subsidised by the consumer. In the UK, this subsidy is achieved through Renewables Obligation Certificates, the cost of which are eventually passed onto the consumer. In 2006 the cost to consumers was £600 million, and this is predicted to rise to £3 billion in 2020. 1 That is about £200 per household per annum, on top of current energy bills, for the privilege of using of ‘free’ energy.

Now one might argue that that is not very much money to demand from the public, given the advertised prospect of clean, renewable energy that will fuel our homes and our economy for the next few generations. Power at the press of a button, and not a drop of noxious emissions of any nature in sight – just an array of perfectly silent, gently rotating wind-turbines stretching towards the horizon – it is dream-world picture direct from the cover issue of an environmentalist magazine, and the answer to a politician’s prayers. In one master-stroke the environment is magically healed, and votes are captured by the million – roll on the next election.

However, it is my belief that this sublime day-dream actually holds the seeds for our economic decline and for social disorder on an unprecedented scale. Why? Because no technical and industrial society can maintain itself on unreliable and intermittent power supplies. In 2003 there were six major electrical blackouts across the world, and the American Northeast blackout of August 14th was typical of these. The outage started in Ohio, when some power lines touched some trees and took out the Eastlake power station, but the subsequent cascade failure took out 256 power stations within one hour.

The entire Northeast was down onto emergency electrical supplies, and the result was social and economic chaos. Nothing, in our integrated and automated world, works without electricity. Transport came to a grinding halt. Aircraft were grounded, trains halted and road traffic was at a standstill, due to a lack of traffic lights and fuel. Water supplies were severely disrupted, as were telecommunications, while buildings had to be evacuated due to a lack of fire detection and suppression systems. Without any available transport, many commuters were forced to sleep in offices or in Central Park, and while the summer temperatures made this an office-adventure to remember, had this been winter the results of this electrical failure could have been catastrophic.

This is what happens to a major technical civilisation when its life-blood, its electrical supply, is turned off. Chaos looms, people die, production ceases, life is put on hold. Yet this was just a once-in-a-decade event, a memorable occasion to laugh about over dinner-parties for many years to come, but just imagine what would happen to a society where this happened every week, or if the power was cut for a whole fortnight or more. Now things are getting serious. Without transport, refrigeration, computers and key workers, food production and distribution would cease. Sleeping in Central Park on a balmy summer’s night is a memorable inconvenience, whereas fifty million empty bellies is getting very serious indeed. In fact, it is a recipe for violence and civil unrest.

But what has all this doom and gloom got to do with the government’s drive for renewable energy, you might ask? Well, the entire problem with renewables – almost all renewables – is that they are dangerously intermittent power sources.

Perhaps the first renewable source we should discuss is tidal power. Unfortunately, while tidal power initially looks like a dream power source of cheap, renewable energy, it suffers from massive variability in supply. The energy that it produces is tidal, and the tides are, of course, linked to the orbit of the Moon, with there being about two tides every day. This sinusoidal tidal pattern produces four slack periods during each day when the tide is turning, either at high tide or at low tide, and during these slack periods the tidal power system will not generate any electricity at all. Unfortunately, the energy that is produced is therefore delivered at set periods of the day which are connected to the orbit of the Moon, rather than our daily lives, and so the electricity produced is in no way synchronised with the electrical demand cycle. If these slack periods coincide with the 7-am and 7-pm peak demands for electricity, as they will several times a month, then the whole generating system is next to useless.

Since the energy produced earlier in the day cannot be stored, as will be explained later, extra generating capacity will have to be brought on-line to cover the deficiency. This means that for every tidal system installed, a conventional power station will have to be either built or retained to ensure continuity of energy supply. But this power station will have to be up and running all the time, what is known in the industry as ’spinning-reserve’, as it takes up to 12 hours to bring a power station on-line from a cold start-up. Thus if we are to maintain continuity of supply, this wonderful ‘free-energy’ tidal source actually results in twice the cost and saves very little in the way of hydrocarbon fuels. So, unless we are prepared to accept rolling power cuts across the country, which would result in the same chaos as the Northeast blackout, it is unlikely that we could ever successfully integrate large tidal power systems into the National Grid.

While tidal power may be predictably intermittent, wind power is even more problematical. Recent EU directives have stipulated that some 40% of electricity should be powered from renewable resources by 2020. If this were to be predominantly produced from wind turbines, as is likely, then we would need some 30 gigawatts (gw) of wind generating capacity. To put that figure in perspective, the UK currently has about 0.5 gw of wind capacity. However, that is not the full story, for UK wind turbines are only currently delivering about 25% of installed capacity, due to wind fluctuations and maintenance issues. That means we actually need some 120 gw of installed wind generation capacity to cover just 40% of total UK electrical demand. If the turbines being constructed average 2 mw rated capacity, then we shall need some 60,000 wind turbines to be installed over the next twelve years. And where shall we erect all those? – Certainly Not In My Back Yard.

But building thousands of wind turbines still does not resolve the fundamental problem, for the real problem here is the enormous scale of wind variability. I saw a wind-power spokesman the other week on the flagship BBC Hardtalk series, who claimed that the number of days without wind power in the UK were as rare as hen’s teeth – a comment that went totally unchallenged. Well all I can say, is that the hens in the UK must look like a Tyrannosaurus Rex.

The truth of the matter is that there are numerous days without significant winds across the UK, and when those conditions occur it doesn’t matter how much installed generating capacity we have, for it all goes off-line. A report from Denmark 2 indicates that the Danish ‘wind carpet’, which is the largest array of wind turbines in Europe, generated less than 1% of installed power on 54 days during 2002. That is more than one day every week of the year without electrical power. However, if we broaden the definition of ‘without power’ slightly, the same Danish ‘wind carpet’ generated less than 10% of installed capacity for some 16 weeks during 2003. Yet Denmark has the same kind of northerly, maritime weather systems as does the UK. Thus the wind-generation industry is lying to us, once more, for a ‘wind carpet’ that generates less than 10% of installed capacity it next to useless, for the national electrical grid will never cope with such a massive reduction in power supply. In fact, wind generation is so useless, that Denmark, Europe’s largest wind generating nation by far, has never used any of its wind-generated electricity – because it is too variable. It is almost impossible to integrate wind power into a normal generating grid, and so Denmark has merely exported its variable wind supplies to Norway and Sweden. 3 These nations can cope with these electrical fluctuations because of their abundance of hydro-electric power, which can be turned on and off quite rapidly, unlike most other generating systems.

This revelation, that wind power is totally unusable, brings us onto the other great lie of renewable energy proponents – the lie that renewable power can somehow be stored to cope with power outages. The first of these miraculous energy storage facilities, that is said to come to the aid of the thousands of wind-turbines that lie motionless across the entire nation, is the pumped water storage system. However, this claim is utter nonsense, and for the following reasons:

a. Our present pumped storage systems are already fully utilized in overcoming variability in electrical DEMAND, and so they have absolutely no extra capacity for overcoming variability in SUPPLY due to the unreliable wind and tidal generation systems.

b. Pumped storage systems currently only supply a very small percentage of the grid (about 5%) for just a few hours, while wind generation systems can go off-line for days or weeks at a time, as the Danish generation report clearly demonstrates. To put this argument into figures, the Dinorwig power storage system, the largest in the UK, can provide 5% of the UK’s power generation requirements (2.9 gw) for up to 5 hours before it runs out of water. (Thus the total capacity of Dinorwig is 14.5 gwh). If the UK was entirely dependent on wind power, a wind outage lasting just two days would require 140 storage stations with the same generating capacity as Dinorwig to maintain normal power supplies (assuming average UK demand of 1,000 gwh/day). As the Danish report confirms, power outages lasting a week or more are the norm, rather than the exception, and so if the UK generated a significant proportion of our electrical capacity from wind-turbines, as the EU has argued, the lights and heating systems would be going out, the computers going down and transport systems failing all over the country.

c. Pumped storage systems are not only hugely expensive to construct, the topography of Britain ensures that very few sites are available, and so we will never be able to store significant amounts of our energy requirements. These storage systems also tend to be situated in areas of outstanding natural beauty, and so – you have guessed it – the Greens oppose the very storage system they are promoting.

The same kind of argument can be sustained for flywheel energy storage, compressed air storage, battery storage and hydrogen storage – for each and every one of these systems is highly complex, very expensive, hugely inefficient and limited in capacity. The much hyped ‘Hydrogen Economy’ is one of these technological cul-de-sacs. It should be stated from the outset that hydrogen is not an energy source, but an energy storage system – a ‘battery’. The hydrogen has to be created before it is used, and it merely stores the energy that is flowing through the normal electrical grid. Unfortunately for the proponents of this clean ‘energy system’, hydrogen powered vehicles and generators are only about 5% efficient. A huge amount of energy is wasted in the production, liquification and storage of the hydrogen, and so hydrogen will not be propelling our cars, nor will it be storing energy for when the wind stops blowing. In addition, hydrogen storage vessels are highly flammable and potentially explosive, and I for one would rather have a nuclear power station on my doorstep than a hydrogen facility. However, the final unsayable truth about hydrogen powered vehicles (and electric vehicles) is that we would have to double or treble the number of power stations to cope with this electrical demand. The fact that many cars would recharge overnight would be useful in evening out electrical demand, but the number of power stations in the UK would at least double. Now what would the Greens have to say about that?

In short, it would appear that some of the proponents of these storage systems simply have no concept of the huge amounts of energy that a nation like Britain uses within a normal week. There is no energy system available that can remotely be expected to replace renewable energy resources, while they lie dormant for weeks on end. These and other delusions that are being being peddled by renewables proponents are downright dangerous, as they give ignorant ministers in government the impression that we can maintain this nation on renewable energy supplies. But nothing could be further from the truth, and the 2003 blackouts demonstrate the seriousness of the consequences if we do run out of electrical power.

Nuclear

But if the large-scale use of renewable energy systems is utterly impractical, there has to be a solution to our energy supply problems; because even in the short term our dependance on foreign oil and gas places us at the mercy of oil and gas owning despots, who will seek to gain every leverage possible over us. Look at the current situation in the Middle East and Russia and multiply that by ten, and you have some idea of our future political situation if we become solely dependent on foreign energy supplies.

In addition to this – for every year we delay in getting reliable and internally sourced energy supplies, millions of tonnes of a valuable mineral resources are literally going up in smoke. Nearly everything we need in our modern world needs oil as a raw material to make it – no oil supplies not only means no energy, but also no raw materials too. When the last barrel of oil comes out of the ground – and if alternate energy provisions are not already in place – human civilization as we know it will cease to exist. That is neither an exaggeration nor a joke, for absolutely nothing in our modern world will work without adequate energy supplies and petrochemical raw materials to make the things we so often take for granted.

What ever you may think about the technology, the ONLY reliable answer to our energy supply and global warming problems for the foreseeable future is going to be nuclear power (either fission or fusion). Ok, so nuclear power has got a bad name through Chernobyl and a few other incidents, but the Chernobyl plant in particular should never have been allowed in the first place. The RBMK design was (and still is) a rudimentary graphite moderated steam cooled plant with no containment vessel – indeed, it was no better that the original ‘graphite pile’ in the Manhattan Project (circa 1943). Remember that graphite and steam are an explosive combination if they get hot enough, and that’s exactly what happened at Chernobyl (this was NOT a ‘nuclear’ explosion). This arrangement should never have been allowed at the design stage, which is why the British AGRs (Advanced Gas Reactors) used an inert gas coolant. In addition, both the AGR and the the USAs PWRs (Pressurized Water Reactors) are naturally fission-stable, and their very nature will resist and counter a runaway thermic event like that which occurred at Chernobyl.

While the early designs of nuclear power stations have highlighted the problems that poor design or construction can pose, our design and technological capability has moved on in great strides. The Russian RBMKs are the equivalent of a model T Ford, the British AGRs represent Morris Minor technology from the ’60s, but we are now capable of producing Bugattis and Ferraris – which provide a quantum leap in terms of safety and efficiency. The point is that there are methods of reducing nuclear risks if we put our minds to it, and the latest design from Westinghouse – the AP1000 – will be able to deliver ten times the efficiency of the reactors in current use. (Which makes it odd that the UK government have just sold Westinghouse to Toshiba of Japan, just as orders for new power stations are about to be signed.)

Therefore, we could supply Britain’s entire current and future energy requirements with nuclear power, while only using the same amount of nuclear material that is in circulation today (and which produces just 20% of our needs). Remember also that nuclear power is non-polluting in terms of greenhouse gasses, acid rain and other noxious emissions, and thus all of the reductions that we aspire to make in these pollutants could be achieved in a stroke if we turned to nuclear power.

And when it comes to nuclear safety issues, let us not forget that thousands of people in ships and submarines live in close proximity to nuclear plants with no ill-effects. Also remember that while nuclear power has acquired a bad name, courtesy of some sections of the media, far more ecological damage has been done and many more people have died though oil and coal extraction, over the past decades, than in nuclear power incidents. Remember Piper Alpha, Aberfan, Torry Canyon, Exxon Valdes, etc: etc:? The list is almost endless, especially if one includes all the coal-pit disasters in Russia and China, from which much of our energy, in terms of finished products, is now sourced. If a nuclear power station had killed a whole school full of children the environmentalists would never let us forget it, but because it was the result of the coal industry they let the memory fade. If 6,000 workers were killed every year in the nuclear industry Greenpeace would go ballistic, but because these are coal mining deaths in China they are ignored. Why do some people exhibit these double standards? What is it about technical progress that they so despise? In some respects, some of these anti-nuclear demonstrators appear to be portraying themselves as the world’s very own technological Taliban, and in this guise they must be vigorously opposed.

However, it should be borne in mind that fission power is only a temporary stop-gap that will maintain our economy and civilisation over the next century until something better comes along. Nuclear fusion may well be that brighter future, but for all the reasons already given we need a solution now, not in 30 year’s time. Nuclear fission will provide a stop-gap for that vital century, but fission power on its own is a non-renewable energy resource. The way forward has to be fast-breeder fission, where the nuclear core creates its own fuel supply, a technique that has already been demonstrated and perfected. This energy source would provide the world with 1,000 years of energy, a large enough stop-gap to allow all kinds of new exotic energy sources to be discovered and exploited.

We have about 30 or so years before the shortage of oil becomes acute and our economies and societies begin to falter, and that is not very much time in which to alter our entire energy production industry. It is like relying on the Victorians to plan ahead and ensure that we still had a viable civilisation in the 1930s. And while the Victorians were both successful and resourceful, history demonstrates that new sources of raw materials were never actively planned until the old sources were in desperately short supply or worked-out completely. However, the introduction of a new, nationwide power generating system is an extremely long-term investment, and if we are to make this change without a dramatic interruption to our energy supplies (and our society) we need foresight, vision and a quick decision. What we need is a tough, educated, talented, rational leader to take a difficult but responsible decision to dramatically increase our nuclear energy production capability. However, what we have in the UK is Gordon Brown!

Ralph Ellis

June 2004

1. David Derbyshire, Daily Mail 5th Feb 2008.

2 & 3 Hugh Sharman, Why wind power works in Denmark.

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chris y
May 25, 2009 9:09 am

ralph ellis- Great post. You responded to another comment with-
“>>Obviously there is a demand for ‘green’-energy. Well then
>>let people be able to sign up for ‘expensive’ power and pay
>>twice the price for their electricity.
Yes, but only if they swear never to use ANY electricity on days when no renewable power is available. ie, an overcast mid-winter anti-cyclone over the UK, when there is no solar, wind or wave energy available. As they shiver in their homes, they may hopefully rediscover the rational world.”
The technology to do this is actually starting to roll out now. Advanced Metering Infrastructure (AMI) includes new electronic electricity (or gas or water) meters placed at every customer premise. They communicate in both directions to allow remote reading of energy use, keep track of when energy is being used to allow time-of-use billing, and permit remote controlled disconnect of power. The EMS software database (Energy Management System) can be configured in a myriad of ways.
So here is how to make a substantive connection between an eco-consumer and his/her beloved eco-energy source. The customer is offered a choice of energy sources, either conventional fuel mix or renewables. The renewables would include solar and wind. For the UK, it would be 99% wind, because solar is a big-time loser at your latitude and micro-climate. The energy charges for the customer are directly tied to the cost of purchasing electricity from the energy source selected by the customer. This is a simple software database option. The true cost difference would be in the range of a factor of 3 – 5, depending on where the customer is located and what wind resource is deployed (off-shore vs. on-shore). There would be no sharing of renewable energy costs across the entire customer base to hide the real costs of renewables. Eco-consumers who believe that renewables offer ‘free energy’ will jump at the chance to pay ‘nothing’.
Now for the best part. The customer who chooses renewables will be disconnected from the grid in synchrony with the energy delivery from their energy source chosen. For example, choosing renewables in the UK would result in your meter disconnecting you from the grid anywhere from 0 to 20 times a day, at random times. This again is a simple database link between the EMS software and the SCADA (Supervisory Control and Data Acquisition) software that monitors generation across the power grid in real-time (10 second updates usually). Utilities call this load-shedding to maintain system balance (usually only used in emergencies). We could rename it Renewable Energy Advanced Management of Eco-Demand (REAMED).
In this way, the green customer can experience the ‘advantages’ of renewable energy in its full glory. They are exposed to the real busbar costs under realistic depreciation rates, and they are REAMED by the variability of a wind-powered resource. Of course, the customer can always switch back to reliable, less expensive electricity with a simple phone call or website click.
I believe the UK just announced a country-wide initiative to install AMI/smart grid meters in every customer location over the next several years, with the feel-good goal of reducing electricity demand through in-home displays that show real-time electricity pricing. In a few years, all of the tools needed for this brave new world of realistic renewable energy pricing will be in place.
As an aside, I live in sunny Florida and price solar PV every few months for my home. Even here, and with generous federal and state incentives, solar PV will still almost triple my monthly electricity bill. Thankfully, Florida has some of the worst wind resources in the country, so wind really hasn’t gained a footing. Florida is also trying to build 4 new nuclear reactors, but there is some opposition.

Sandy
May 25, 2009 9:12 am

Any problems with nuclear waste? Drop it down a plate subduction zone, one-way ticket to hell.
Carbon sequestration? Shove it into market greenhouses and pay for it with the harvest, keep and dry the rest of the plant if you must ‘sequester carbon’.
Frankly given the uselessness of wind now it makes sense to hydrolysize to hydrogen at the farm. We have gas storage and pipelines, so though initially inefficient transport and storage of hydrogen may be the way to use the damtings.

Sceptic
May 25, 2009 9:15 am

I thought that this article was new but it seems it was written in some 5 years ago in June 2004?

May 25, 2009 9:20 am

What an excellent article! Ralph Ellis, you have done magnificently! Every person on this planet who uses electricity should read and digest this. It is a tragedy of our times that those who, by some wangle or another, have wormed themselves into power to usurp charge of our destinies, will make it their business to totally disregard the stark facts of this exceptional presentation.

Mark Bowlin
May 25, 2009 9:21 am

Mike McMillan (02:16:38) :
“Ok, so nuclear power has got a bad name through Chernobyl
Last count I heard was 56 fatalities, mostly the gutsy guys who went in to fight the fire. The whole area is now a nature preserve, and nature doesn’t seem to mind the radiation level, which has dropped significantly.”
I want to preface the following by noting that I am a cautious advocate of nuclear power, but Chernobyl was worse than most suspect. Certainly worse than the Soviets reported. The following are excerpts from a paper I wrote on Ukrainian foreign policy at the Naval Postgraduate School in 1997 (so the present tense used is decidedly past tense now). These excerpts cover an overview of the explosion, the immediate and long-term health effects.
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During the course of the Soviet Union’s ambitious nuclear power program, the Soviets built twenty-eight nuclear reactors of a particular design known as the RBMK. The RBMK is a graphite-moderated, uranium-fueled reactor that was known to have serious, inherent, design flaws and it is widely accepted that the RBMK would never have been certified by a western safety inspector. The V. I. Lenin Nuclear Power Plant at Chernobyl, Ukraine, is a massive complex housing four separate reactor units—each a second-generation RBMK reactor. Although by western standards the RBMKs are considered dangerous (the RBMK reactors lack secondary containment structures and were notoriously unstable at low power levels), the safety record of the reactors at the V. I. Lenin Nuclear Power Plant was unremarkable in any sense by Soviet standards. The Soviet engineers and technicians were not unaware of the potential problems with the reactor design, but universal acceptance of the safety of nuclear power by the Soviet engineers seems to have caused widespread complacency at the complex.
In the morning hours of April 26, 1986, the Chernobyl technicians at Unit 4 began a series of safety drills designed to study low power operations. In contravention of their standard operating procedures, the technicians purposely disabled safety mechanisms on the RBMK reactor prior to beginning the drills. A series of operator miscalculations compounded by poor engineering and pure bad luck culminated in a devastating explosion at Unit 4 of the V. I. Lenin Nuclear Power Plant at 1:23 in the morning of April 26, 1986.
Immediately following the explosion on the morning of April 26, Soviet fire fighters attempted to put out several fires that were burning out of control. Simultaneously, as the Chernobyl workers realized that the reactor was open to the elements, attempts were made to extinguish the principal fire, which was believed to be the reactor core. Over 5,000 metric tons of sand, clay, dolomite and lead were dropped by helicopter (the majority of the helicopter pilots later died from radiation poisoning) on what was believed to be the reactor core. Most scientists believe today that Soviet efforts to extinguish the core over a ten-day period actually missed the main reactor core and were concentrating instead on a core fragment. The belief at the time was that the core had been ejected from the reactor chamber by the steam explosion, when today it appears that about 71 percent of the core remained in the reactor shaft uncovered and open to the sky. Consequently, far more radiation (estimated at three times more cesium 137) escaped into the atmosphere than had been initially reported. What happened with the remaining fuel? Sich states, “Eventually, the fuel melted through the reactor’s lower lid and flowed into the lower regions of the reactor building, where it cooled and hardened into lava-like substances.”
Over the course of 10 days, the core released radioactivity unabated into the atmosphere until it cooled by itself. Out of the original 190 tons of uranium oxide fuel, somewhere between 10 and 50 tons remain unaccounted for today. Although Unit 4 is entirely encased in a concrete sarcophagus, the sarcophagus itself is decaying and largely open to the elements and the missing fuel, which is presumed to be underneath the reactor, still poses a grave environmental threat. Rainwater collecting in the bowels of the reactor level could theoretically cause remaining fuel to go critical and the meltdown would resume. At least twice since 1986 have neutron flux readings indicated a build-up towards a self-sustained nuclear fission was possibly beginning. Although the key to solving this issue is to locate the missing fuel and pump out excess water, the high radiation levels within the sarcophagus are extremely dangerous for search crews and Chernobyl officials must first find storage for the highly irradiated water.
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There is no agreement on the extent of the damage to people’s health from Chernobyl-related causes. Too many political interests are involved to allow consensus on the issue as governmental organs and the nuclear power and medical communities debate even the question of short-term casualties. The Soviet government put forth the initial figure of two deaths and then by the summer of 1986 raised the figure to 31 people killed (28 people from radiation poisoning and 3 from other causes). This figure of 31 casualties is the most quoted by the nuclear power industry and is still widely accepted in the press as the total casualty list. However, some experts on Ukraine and Chernobyl place the figure much higher and regard the Soviet figure (and the nuclear power industry statistics) as more deliberate obfuscation. David Marples, in the May 1996 edition of the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, wrote of the figure of 31 casualties, “The official casualty report has developed into something of a truism–if it is repeated often enough, people began to accept it.” Marples added, “…the figure of 31 direct casualties at Chernobyl is as mythic today as it was in 1986. During the early cleanup phase, it was clear there would be many more victims, particularly among the crews decontaminating the plant, those flying helicopter sorties over the roof of the gaping reactor in a flawed attempt to stop radiation from leaking into the atmosphere, and those working at the reactor scene at a variety of other hazardous tasks.”
Of the decontamination workers, known as liquidators, at least 5,000 had died by 1990 although not all were attributable to Chernobyl and the Ukrainian health ministry places the number of Chernobyl-related deaths as approximately 4,000 for Ukrainian citizens. On the opposite end of the spectrum from the 31 figure, some unsubstantiated estimates from environmental organizations go as high as 125,000 deaths attributable to Chernobyl since 1986.
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The question of the long-term health effects of Chernobyl is also politicized. Advocates of nuclear power such as the IAEA tend to downplay long-term adverse effects of low-level radiation poisoning and the extensive research on the subject is not conclusive. Effectively, however, approximately two million Ukrainians live within contaminated areas surrounding Chernobyl including nearly 500 people who have voluntarily returned to live within the 30-km exclusion zone. Compounding the problem of living with unacceptably high levels of ambient radiation is the lack of uncontaminated food as a largely rural population in Ukraine and Belarus continue to eat contaminated local produce.
A further obstacle to pinpointing the long-term health effects of the Chernobyl accident is the delineation between Chernobyl-related illnesses and those originating from other sources. The areas effected by radiation in Ukraine and Belarus are also heavily polluted areas from industrial sources. The difficult question then becomes which illnesses stem from what source? For example, using the Ukrainian Health Ministry estimates that only 28-32 percent of Ukrainian adults and 27-31 percent of children were assessed to be in good health in 1991, what portion of the approximate 70 percent of the population in ill health is due to Chernobyl? How do medical researchers discount illnesses caused by industrial pollutants, poor nutrition, the effects of smoking and alcohol, etc? There is no easy solution to this problem. Although the logical starting point would be to compare data for the affected regions prior to Chernobyl with data subsequent to the accident, the data is not complete in either case and has become a source of acrimony in the medical community—consequently allowing the data to remain open to political interpretation.
Looking at the areas that have relative consensus, it seems apparent that in general that there has been a downturn in the health of the Ukrainian and Belarus populations. This has been highlighted in particular by dramatic increases in the rate of thyroid cancer among children which “…appear to correlate closely with the areas that received the most radioactive fallout.” Incidentally, had the Soviet government warned the population about the radiation, much of the iodine radiation poisoning could have been avoided by eating canned food and by not allowing children to drink contaminated milk. The studies on thyroid cancer in Belarus and Ukraine indicate that approximately 90 percent of the childhood cases are Chernobyl-related and roughly 10 percent of those will be incurable. Furthermore, one estimate figures that one child in ten in the heavily contaminated areas is likely to develop thyroid cancer. IAEA studies (which tend to be dramatically more conservative than most) of more than 800 cases of thyroid cancer in children in Belarus indicate roughly similar results with a slightly higher percentage of cases attributable to Chernobyl but at a higher predicted success rate in treatment.
Other biological concerns that have been related to the accident at Chernobyl are impaired immune response, increased rates of leukemia and other cancers as well as indications that genetic damage is occurring in animals and humans in the highly contaminated regions. This was surprising to some researchers who based on data from Hiroshima and Nagasaki did not expect to see genetic damage. Particularly disturbing are indications that DNA mutation is being passed down to subsequent generations. Some preliminary studies are showing DNA mutation rates among Belarus children are twice as high as in a control group of British children. The long-term effects of these genetic mutations are not understood and by their nature may not be for generations.
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May 25, 2009 9:27 am

>>However, I can’t get on board with the fission and
>>particularly the breeder idea.
>>Chernobyl made a huge mess and put millions of people at risk.
Two comments that have come up and demonstrate that the Green anti-nuclear agenda is still bearing fruit.
Firstly, it should be reiterated that Chernobyl should never have been built in the first place. It was done on the cheap, because that is the Russian way; without a containment vessel, without a fail-safe design and without adequate instrumentation and controls. In addition, the operators were playing around, rather than running a professional operation (another Russian trait from my experience in aviation). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_593
Despite all this, the actual damage caused by the Chernobyl incident was much smaller than at first feared. As usual, the Liberal press try to demonise this incident:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/fallout-from-chernobyl-will-cause-100000-deaths-says-greenpeace-474727.html
But the WHO says that 50 died and ‘up to’ 4000 people may suffer a premature death due cancer. Each cancer case is tragic in each individual case, but in total it was not an absolute social calamity.
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2005/pr38/en/index.html
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But what is often forgotten, in all of this fear of nuclear power, is that energy is a powerful substance and the use of energy is always going to be dangerous – whether it is coal, oil, gas or nuclear. If Chernobyl had decimated two entire schools, would we ever have been able to forget about it? So why do we forget about a coal or an oil disaster?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aberfan
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history.do?action=Article&id=376
And oil workers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_Alpha

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Hertfordshire_Oil_Storage_Terminal_fire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEQwYryyIWA
And this is the blood upon which all America’s and Europe’s current wave of cheap imports is founded. Around 6,000 deaths each and every year, and not a Greenpeace complaint in sight.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-11/13/content_391242.htm
http://www.minesandcommunities.org/article.php?a=1155
Here are some more incidents, just for illustration:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhVXnNvaudQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GPYnyrT3Dc&feature=related
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exxon_Valdez_oil_spill
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrey_Canyon
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The bottom line is that we cannot run an ever expanding, ever richer society, on nineteenth century energy supplies. We need to learn how to control and police the use of new energy sources in a responsible manner; and NO amount of technological regression back to the Stone Age will ever un-invent nuclear weapons capabilities. So hiding behind a cloak of quaint rural poverty will not protect anyone from a rogue mullah in Iran with a death wish.
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You know, when I was a lad, we used to look forwards.
President Kennedy said ‘let’s go to the Moon’, just for the hell of it, and we did. The Brits (and French) said, ‘lets travel at supersonic speeds’, and we did. We all said ‘let’s develop nuclear power’, and we did. By the time I was middle aged, it was certain that we would be on Mars and beyond.
This was a forward-looking, can-do generation.
But what have we now? You cannot fly at supersonic speeds, as that may kill a crested newt. You cannot go to the Moon, as we have to give food to Africans who have failed to feed themselves for decades. You cannot have nuclear power as it might be dangerous, and we cannot have anything that might disturb the cotton wool around our children.
We now have a regressive, can-not generation.
But I am still with President Kennedy. If we are ever going to succeed as a species, we need to progress, to overcome the challenges that lie ahead, and provide a better world for future generations. And that better future cannot lie in some idealistic, rural nirvana from a Green fantasy resembling Frodo Baggins’ Shires. To make that scenario work, we would have to extinguish 98% of the world’s population. No, the future lies in expansion throughout our Solar System, and you are not going to achieve that with a few dozen windelecs (wind turbines) that run on Tuesdays and Fridays.
Can we refrain from branding progress as a sin? Can we banish the Technological Taliban?
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deadwood
May 25, 2009 9:55 am

An someone who works regularly with environmentalists , I find the term “Technological Taliban” both accurate and appropriate.
And 5 years old? Wow, where was Ralph hiding this gem?

Stephen Brown
May 25, 2009 10:03 am

The Law of Unintended Consequences, as applied to wind farms!
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/transport/article6355764.ece

May 25, 2009 10:14 am

My viewpoint is rather the opposite of Mr. Ellis’. I presently practice law in the fields of climate change, and energy, with an emphasis on renewable energy and energy storage. I also hold a BS in chemical engineering, with many years experience in fossil fuel industries.
I have three primary points in opposition: first, intermittent renewable power, standing alone, is not intended to replace fossil-fuel power. However, not all renewable power is intermittent. Second, quite a number of energy storage systems (ESS) exist and work quite well; their drawback is one of economics, not practicality. Third, the staggering costs of nuclear power should be fully exposed and understood before anyone or any country attempts to rely on that energy source.
1. Renewable power works quite well, and provides more than 13 percent of all power sold in California. This 13 percent includes solar, wind, geothermal, small hydroelectric, and various forms of methane production or capture from organic materials. These include landfill gas (LFG) and methane gas from cattle manure. Also, combustion of municipal solid waste contributes to the renewable energy portfolio.
The 13 percent figure increases to 23 percent when large hydroelectric is included. (figures for 2008 in California)
http://energyalmanac.ca.gov/overview/energy_sources.html
Wind, solar, wave, and tidal power are truly intermittent, but the other forms of renewable are much more reliable. These include hydroelectric, geothermal, the bio-gas forms, and municipal solid waste.
2. ESS systems that work include batteries, ultra-capacitors, pumped storage hydroelectric, compressed air energy storage, superconductors, high-speed flywheels, high pressure hydraulics, and thermal storage. Each has its place, depending on many factors such as the local terrain, and quantity of storage desired. One can read more on ESS here:
http://sowellslawblog.blogspot.com/2009/05/energy-storage-key-to-renewables.html
3. Nuclear power is frequently (and wrongly) held forth as the path forward, while dismissing renewable energy sources as a waste of money and effort. The fact is that nuclear power plants are extremely expensive to construct and decommission, yet rather inexpensive to operate. The misleading nuclear proponents claim that nuclear power only costs 1.7 cents per kwh, and thus all power plants should be nuclear. This figure only includes fuel, labor, and maintenance, but conveniently ignores the huge costs for initial capital and decommissioning. That mis-direction is analogous to a person buying a $200,000 Mercedes Benz automobile, and having access to gasoline at 50 cents per gallon. When asked for their cost of transportation per mile driven, they conveniently ignore the huge monthly payment to the bank for the car loan, and gleefully tell you that their car costs only 2 or 3 cents per mile.
My recent analysis of EIA data for nuclear power plants and the cost of electricity in the U.S.’ various states with nuclear power shows that cost of electricity increases as the percent of power derived from nuclear increases. There is a direct correlation. Also, that analysis was performed with old nuclear plants that are to a large extent already depreciated or paid off. If new nuclear power plants were to be built and included, the costs would be much higher.
http://sowellslawblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/nuclear-nuts.html
and scroll down to the phrase, “is nuclear power affordable.”

Stephen
May 25, 2009 10:18 am

If we think the environmental impact from coal and oil is interesting, wait till we see the impact on weather patterns and then the life it supports, as we stagnate the wind; the impact on sea life and then human life, as we stagnate the tides; not to mention the footprint and micro and small life biology that supports the rest of life, as we cover the earth with wind and solar farms. While these may fill a minor niche, if we build it big enough to supply reasonable comfort to human life, it is going to have a much greater and destructive impact than we now have… and at least CO2 encourages plant growth for a needed increase of food production, which in turn provides a needed increase in oxygen production! I can’t imagine what the mind set must be for those who would destroy a mechanism for increasing food and oxygen production? And, especially as we learn that there is little if any effect on global temperature!
There is no doubt in my mind that our present simple minded ideas of sequestering CO2 will come back to haunt us, either from starvation, or similar to the gasses and pollution from garbage dumps, etc., ha!
While we may want to work toward better control of our byproducts, to simply trade one killing zone for another, for the benefit of another big business, and send the rest of us and our great grand children, back to the stone ages, is even more ludicrous!
Stephen

Ray
May 25, 2009 10:23 am

This is not really related but could be if we talk about biomass (which is also part of the alternative energy family)…
Vine growth and survival might be one of the greatest proxy to follow the planet warming/cooling phases. As we all know, there was a time during the Medieval period when they could grow vines in Northern Europe. A good idea of the trade route at the time can be reviewed in “Wine and the vine: an historical geography of viticulture and the wine trade
By Tim Unwin, P. T. H. Unwin”.
When the cold climate came back, no more vines could be grown in Northern Europe. Throughout history vines have followed the general cimate of the earth. Today there is an article that was published here in BC that sheds more light on the vine reaction to climate: http://www.bclocalnews.com/okanagan_similkameen/kelownacapitalnews/news/45833352.html
It’s a very interesting article that shows the importance of the PDO and global climate and what has been seen here for the last 50 years.

Gary P
May 25, 2009 10:23 am

Years ago I read the the costs for a power company was about 1/3 for fuel, 1/3 for distribution, and 1/3 for power plants. Since the renewable sources are not continuous, the costs for the power plants essentially doubles. Now if you add enough short term storage to allow the normal plants to shut down when the wind is blowing, the costs for the power plants will triple. If you keep a spinning reserve of conventional plants the whole idea is pointless as there is little reduction in the CO2 plant food emissions.
Land use at least triples now that we are beginning to recognize that the subsonic pressure waves from the wind turbines means that they cannot be located closer than about 1 km from residences. There will also be an increase in distribution costs to bring in the energy from the low density sources. The free renewable energy costs at least twice as much while industry moves to China so no one has a job to pay for it. Tax revenues decrease so the government will have to raise taxes to pay its electric bill.
The only project that I can see worth doing would be solar powered air conditioning. Solar energy would be available when it is most needed and it would reduce the peak demand on the conventional plants. Efficiency requirements would demand the the use of a thermal system so no electricity would be generated.

Douglas DC
May 25, 2009 10:28 am

The whole debate changed this morning when the sun rose in the west over North Korea.Iran will follow shortly,Global Warming will fade in the cloud of fallout.This is something we have to deal with now.Millions of lives-possibly our own are at stake.
Life or Death. which is it? The Dictators,Dingbats, and Tyrants of the world rejoice….

jorgekafkazar
May 25, 2009 10:33 am

It’s not about science. It’s not about logic. It’s all about politics. I tried to get people over at solarcycle24.com to write their representatives. Except for a few trolls and semi-trolls, these are mostly anti-AGW guys who can write non-stop about all kinds of stuff, day after day, and not stupidly, either. I think I counted 5 or 6 people who actually wrote their representative.
While I was in aerospace in ancient days (Nike Zeus, Thor Agena, Skybolt, Saturn S-IVB), I did a motive systems study. I looked at everything in the way of energy sources: Capacitors. Springs. Batteries. Gas. Fuel cells. Flywheels. Solar. Wind. Broken wind. Everything. My conclusions? (1) Nothing beats gasoline for propelling vehicles. Only diesel comes anywhere close; alcohol and LPG are way down the list. (2) Our biggest need is not new or renewable sources; our biggest need is a dense, inexpensive storage system. What we have is dense politicians, instead.
Always remember: liberals, like alcoholics, judge themselves by their intentions, not by their results.

Steven Goddard
May 25, 2009 10:43 am

Ralph Ellis,
My comments about Chernobyl had nothing to do with a “green agenda.” My family was personally affected by Chernobyl, and everyone familiar with the details knows that it was a huge mess.
There is no comparison between the dangers of nuclear proliferation and natural gas explosions. Coal fired plants work just fine, particularly since they were cleaned up in the 1960s.

May 25, 2009 10:48 am

John Egan (06:26:05) :
There’s even LESS extractable uranium than oil.

You can do it with other lighter materials. See:
http://www.giurfa.com/mass.html
If nucleus are close enough probability increases.

Ray
May 25, 2009 10:55 am

jorgekafkazar (10:33:12) :
As far as transportation goes, it is not really a question of fuel power density and size of the reservoir, but mainly the efficiency of the motor. If we had more efficient motors we could surely use those fuels with lower energy densities to achieve the same distance. Of course, more efficient motors and high powere density fuels would take us very far given a fixed tank size.

D Caldwell
May 25, 2009 10:58 am

I’m optimistic that our current renewable energy psychosis will turn out to be a temporary disorder.
Those of us (science nerds?) who follow this issue with at least some basic understanding are in the small minority. My observation is that the vast majority of folks out here in Mainstreet USA are not interested in this issue and spend very little time thinking about it. They certainly don’t understand the real consequences of a major switch to renewables away from conventional generation. When they express support for renewables in various polls, they do so only with the assumption that it will not affect their own lives significantly. Give them an accurate picture of a renewable energy future and then see what the polls show!
If the currently proposed energy policies ever actually get implemented (and I don’t believe they ever will on a major scale), the effect on cost and reliability will open the public’s eyes in a hurry. When that awakening occurs, the voters will quickly throw out the current management and this renewable energy nonsense will come to a screeching halt.

May 25, 2009 11:00 am

The Indian says “…there is much foolishness in the world, the most natural forces to harness are the Winds and the Seas. Let us feel their force and use what they offer”

May 25, 2009 11:28 am

Roger Sowell
The reason the Construction and decomissioning costs are so high are because of the ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS compliance which costs huge amounts of extra capital.
Approve a nuclear waste storage facility so operating reactors can get rid of the spent fuel they are storing on-site now, that will reduce decommissioning and operating costs dramatically.
New construction techniques have brought actual engineering costs way down because the current family of reactors are not untested technology. For example the Canadian Candu reactors, there are 42 operating on the planet now, the cost is about 1.3 Billion USD for a 1.0 Gw unit and decomissioning is costed at 10% of Construction Cost. Last reactor build in China was 54 weeks from first pour to 100% power, NO RED ( or do communists have blue?) TAPE. No work stoppages every month for environmental assessments as to the impact of concrete pours on the butterflies. Siting also did not add 5-7 years of work to the engineering costs.
I realize the environment is important but the regulations are a cruel joke, it is not just the US it is Canada (to build a Candu in Canada is almost impossible these days because the friggin hemp hats go ballisitic) and in many EU countries. The logic used to argue against a proven technology that solves the perceived problem and has solutions for all the downside arguments is beyond any sort of defense, it is simply irrational to have part of the solution and not implement it.

May 25, 2009 11:29 am

Shr_Nfr (08:18:44) :
With regard to hydrogen in cars, it depends on the implementation. If you do it through fuel cells, yes, all you will get out is H20 more or less. If you burn the hydrogen in an internal combustion engine or turbine or other sort of thing that relies on heat production, you will produce NOx as a byproduct unless you also carry pure oxygen to burn the fuel.

Except of course with its very wide combustion limits you can burn it under conditions which produce less NOx, also since you would not need a three-way catalyst the exhaust can be cleaned up very effectively.

adoucette
May 25, 2009 11:36 am

Roger Sowell (10:14:00) wrote:
1. Renewable power works quite well, and provides more than 13 percent of all power sold in California … The 13 percent figure increases to 23 percent when large hydroelectric is included
Well, in this case the term POWER is limited to Electricity.
Renewables, including Large Hydro, represent 12% of California power with half coming from Hydro.
The govt bolstered Solar and Wind output have increased just 1% since 2004.
These Calif numbers are also preliminary figures (final will be out soon) but they also show a 6% decline in electricity production, and in a declining market the government mandates/incentives prop up the renewable sector creating ever more distortion in the markets.
Still renewables are at the lowest percent of electricity generation since at least 2004.
They peaked at 30% in 2006.
Arthur

May 25, 2009 11:36 am

il devient périlleux d’aligner une trop forte proportion de courant généré à partir d’éoliennes
It is not only dangerous but foolish and costly.

May 25, 2009 11:38 am

tipiheaven (11:00:25) Let us feel their force and use what they offer
Then make a drum dance to see if you can generate electricity 🙂

jorgekafkazar
May 25, 2009 11:40 am

Roger Sowell (10:14:00) : “…quite a number of energy storage systems (ESS) exist and work quite well; their drawback is one of economics, not practicality…”
Economic failure IS a practical drawback and, in fact, the most fundamental one.
“..Renewable power works quite well, and provides more than 13 percent of all power sold in California. This 13 percent includes solar, wind, geothermal, small hydroelectric, and various forms of methane production or capture from organic materials.”
How much of that 13 percent is propped up by direct and indirect governmental (Federal and state) subsidies? If you ask us to consider all the financial drawbacks of nuclear, why is it right for you to ignore the true underlying financial structure of renewables?
Consider, too, that much of the expense of nuclear has historically been the result of deliberate green interference in the licensing and construction permitting process. Total project lead-time is a large factor in out-of-control nuclear capital costs, one that needs to be addressed.