Jim Hansen calls Cap and Trade the "Temple of Doom"

Hansens's 1988 testimony - the birth of the cap and trade temple
Law of unintended consequences? Hansens's 1988 congressional testimony - the moment of birth of the CO2 worry, which later morphed into the cap and trade Gorian temple (i.e. Jim, you started it)

Note: this letter from Dr. Jim Hansen of NASA GISS is reprinted below unedited, exactly in email as it was received by me, including the title below. You can reference a PDF version on his Columbia U page here I’ll have to agree with Dr. Hansen though, Cap and Trade is about the closest thing to the “Temple of Doom” our economy would face. No word yet from Harrison Ford if he’ll play Jim in the movie. What is most interesting is who he didn’t mention in the last paragraph.- Anthony


Worshipping the Temple of Doom

My response to the letter from Dr. Martin Parkinson, Secretary of the Australian Department of Climate Change, is available, along with this note, on my web site.

Thanks to the many people who provided comments on my draft response, including Steve Hatfield-Dodds, a senior official within the Australian Department of Climate Change.  I appreciate the willingness of the Australian government to engage in this discussion.  I believe that you will find the final letter to be significantly improved over the draft version.

Several people admonished me for informal language, which detracts from credibility, and attempts at humor with an insulting tone (e.g., alligator shoes).  They are right, of course – these should not be in the letter.  So I reserve opinions with an edge to my covering e-mail note.

My frustration arises from the huge gap between words of governments, worldwide, and their actions or planned actions.  It is easy to speak of a planet in peril.  It is quite another to level with the public about what is needed, even if the actions are in everybody’s long-term interest.

Instead governments are retreating to feckless “cap-and-trade”, a minor tweak to business-as-usual.  Oil companies are so relieved to realize that they do not need to learn to be energy companies that they are decreasing their already trivial investments in renewable energy.  They are using the money to buy greenwash advertisements.  Perhaps if politicians and businesses paint each other green, it will not seem so bad when our forests burn.

Cap-and-trade is the temple of doom.  It would lock in disasters for our children and grandchildren.  Why do people continue to worship a disastrous approach?  Its fecklessness was proven by the Kyoto Protocol.  It took a decade to implement the treaty, as countries extracted concessions that weakened even mild goals.  Most countries that claim to have met their obligations actually increased their emissions.  Others found that even modest reductions of emissions were inconvenient, and thus they simply ignored their goals.

Why is this cap-and-trade temple of doom worshipped?  The 648 page cap-and-trade monstrosity that is being foisted on the U.S. Congress provides the answer.  Not a single Congressperson has read it.  They don’t need to – they just need to add more paragraphs to support their own special interests.  By the way, the Congress people do not write most of those paragraphs – they are “suggested” by people in alligator shoes.

The only defense of this monstrous absurdity that I have heard is “well, you are right, it’s no good, but the train has left the station”.  If the train has left, it had better be derailed soon or the planet, and all of us, will be in deep do-do.  People with the gumption to parse the 648-pages come out with estimates of a price impact on petrol between 12 and 20 cents per gallon.  It has to be kept small and ineffectual, because they want to claim that it does not affect energy prices!

It seems they would not dream of being honest and admitting that an increased price for fossil fuels is essential to drive us to the world beyond fossil fuels.  Of course, there are a huge number of industries and people who do not want us to move to the world beyond fossil fuels – these are the biggest fans of cap-and-trade.  Next are those who want the process mystified, so they can make millions trading, speculating, and gaming the system at public expense.

The science has become clear: burning all fossil fuels would put Earth on a disastrous course, leaving our children and grandchildren with a deteriorating situation out of their control.  The geophysical implication is that most of the remaining coal and unconventional fossil fuels (tar shale, etc.) must be left in the ground or the emissions captured and put back in the ground.  A corollary is that it makes no sense to go after every last drop of oil in the most remote and pristine places – we would have to fight to get the CO2 back out of the air or somehow “geoengineer” our way out of its effects.

A more sensible approach is to begin a rapid transition to a clean energy future, beyond fossil fuels – for the sake of our children and grandchildren, already likely to be saddled with our economic debts, and to preserve the other species on the planet.  Such a path would also eliminate mercury emissions, most air pollution, acid rain and ozone alerts, likely reversing trends toward increasing asthma and birth defects.  Such an energy future would also halt the drain on our treasure and lives resulting from dependence on foreign energy sources.

What is it that does not compute here?  Why does the public choose to subsidize fossil fuels, rather than taxing fossil fuels to make them cover their costs to society?  I don’t think that the public actually voted on that one.  It probably has something to do with all the alligator shoes in Washington.  Those 2400 energy lobbyists in Washington are not well paid for nothing.  You have three guesses as to who eventually pays the salary of these lobbyists, and the first two guesses don’t count.

I get a lot of e-mails telling me to stick to climate, that I don’t know anything about economics.  I know this: the fundamental requirement for transition to the post fossil fuel era is a substantial and rising price on carbon emissions.  And businesses and consumers must understand that it will continue to rise in the future.

Of course, a rising carbon price alone is not sufficient for a successful rapid transition to the post fossil fuel era.  There also must be efficiency standards on buildings, vehicles, appliances, electronics and lighting.  Barriers to efficiency, such as utilities making more money when we use more energy, must be removed.

But the essential underlying requirement is a substantial rising carbon price.  Building standards, especially operations, for example, are practically unenforceable without a strong cost driver.  The carbon price must be sufficient to affect lifestyle choices.

648 pages are not needed to define a carbon fee.  It is a single number that would be ratcheted upward over time.  It would cover all three fossil fuels at their source: the mine or port of entry.  Consumers do not directly pay any tax, but the fee’s effect permeates everything from the price of fuel to the price of food (especially if it is imported from halfway around the world).

As a point of reference a fee equivalent to $1/gallon of gasoline ($115/ton CO2) would yield $670B in the United States (based on energy use data for 2007).  That would provide a dividend of $3000/year to legal adult residents in the United States ($9000/year to a family with two or more children).

A person reducing his carbon footprint more than average would gain economically, if the fee is returned 100 percent to the public on a per capita basis.  With the present distributions of income and energy use, it is estimated that about 60 percent of the people would get a dividend exceeding their tax.  So why would they not just spend their dividend on expensive fuel?  Nobody wants to pay more taxes.  They prefer to have the money for other things.  As the price of fossil fuels continues to increase, people would conserve energy, choose more energy efficient vehicles, and choose non-fossil (untaxed) energies and products.

Hey, does anybody know a great communicator, who might level with the public, explain what is needed to break our addiction to fossil fuels, to gain energy independence, to assure a future for young people?  Who would explain what is really needed, rather than hide behind future “goals” and a gimmick “cap”?  Naw.  Roosevelt and Churchill are dead.  So is Kennedy.

Jim

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Keith Minto
May 6, 2009 5:05 pm

” Hey.does anyone know a great communicator…….?”
Look to the Social Sciences !
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:http://ecoamerica.typepad.com/blog/2009/04/climate-advocates-working-against-themselves.html

May 6, 2009 5:11 pm

Thanx for that fascinating link, C.
From the article:
ABOUT THE AUTHOR
Carolyn Kormann spent several months reporting in Ecuador, Peru, and Bolivia as a 2008 Middlebury Fellow in Environmental Journalism. She… completed a master’s degree in journalism with a focus on… climate change.

What a load of rubbish. I was going to quote a couple of passages, but the whole epistle is the same throughout: glaciers disappearing… global warming…
EVERYBODY PANIC!!, etc., etc. At least a few of the comments following the article were rational.
The planet has around 160,000 glaciers, mostly in polar regions. Some are advancing, some are receding. Glaciers recede due to changes in precipitation, not due to global warming as this crazy article implies. How can a 0.6° rise in global temperature over the past century melt glaciers, unless all the receding the glaciers are within 0.6° of zero degrees C.?
Carolyn Kormann is beyond help, IMHO. Cognitive Dissonance claims another victim.

Rathtyen
May 6, 2009 5:12 pm

Hansen is nearing his end. He could antagonise Bush all he wanted and get away with it. But now he is antagonising Obama, and I expect the response will be swift and merciless. Cross the political right and you have a debate on your hands. Cross the political left and its no-holds-barred all-out massive and overwhelming retaliation. I’m thinking Hansen will soon be finding out what political hardball really is, the hard way.

Owen Hughes
May 6, 2009 5:13 pm

Given the obvious excursions of Hansen’s rhetoric beyond the usual range, suggestive of mental collapse, I wonder if there is something about the “authoritarian” approach to tackling complex messy painful problems, rather than a more “empirical/humble/observational/flexible” approach, that correlates with mental health?
In plain English, do crazy people always tend to want to run things?

May 6, 2009 5:14 pm

what I don’t understand is why it’s taking so long for Watermelons (Green on he outside Red on the inside) to complete their planned destruction of capitalism and triple the price of gas in the US. Come on Kommies, you know you want to!!!

Just Want Truth...
May 6, 2009 5:17 pm

“to gain energy independence,”
There’s plenty of oil in Alaska to do this now. So let’s do it, silly Jim.

Editor
May 6, 2009 5:41 pm

Leon Brozyna (16:53:16) : “He wants to [..] dictate an immediate end to the use of fossil fuels by making them too expensive to use and a switch to clean, renewable, energy sources.
Where will these clean energy sources come from? Somewhere.
Who will develop these clean energy sources? Somebody.
How will we make the change work? Somehow.

We really do have to move across at some time, and the natural decrease in fossil fuel supply (oil first, coal last?) will provide the incentive to create the technology for the “somewhere, somebody, somehow”.
It will take time. We do have time if our politicians regain their sanity (there are signs of them positioning for it in Australia, though the AGW/cap-and-trade rhetoric hasn’t changed much). We can give ourselves more time by increasing nuclear power generation.
If the west imposes unnecessary costs on fossil fuels, China and India will use the remaining cheap fossil fuels, and leave the west behind.
Let the switch to renewable energy happen in its own time, and it will.
Try to dictate the switch, and you fail.

James Allison
May 6, 2009 5:44 pm

Hansen and his trains of death, run out of fossil oils etc.
Throughout our history the adoption of new technology has always overcome an existing perceived crisis.
The one I like is that around late 1800s London was suffering crisis mode because there was no sufficient system for removing the huge amount of horse manure being deposited each day on their streets by hansom cabs and such like. The solution was the introduction of the petrol fueled horseless carriage. Gotta love it.

Roger Knights
May 6, 2009 5:49 pm

theduke (14:46:34) wrote:
“Hansen writes like an adolescent.”
That’s putting it in a nutshell. (Quote of the week?)
Bill wrote:
“I am reasonably convinced of AGW, but all I require is some well researched proof that it is not happening and I will be swayed. But all any anti AGWs say is for me to prove my point of view – not at all helpful.”
This site developed like Topsy, starting as a chit-chat forum on topics of the day among skeptics. It isn’t organized to provide a quick summary of the case against AGW to newcomers. But it would be good if something were done to accommodate them. I therefore suggest that there should be a set of links (either in a sidebar or in a tabbed section) to a score of top papers for alarmists to consult that sum up the skeptics’ case. Here’s one I like, to Dr. Akasofu’s long PDF on the matter.
http://people.iarc.uaf.edu/~sakasofu/little_ice_age.php

C in Dixieland
May 6, 2009 5:54 pm

O/T
Smokey,
Agree completely. It’s an unfortunate part of my day that has to be spent sorting through this flotsam as I am on the technology side of the biofuels industry. There is a certain disconnect as a taxpayer having to fund some of the more outlandish subsidies I see Congress supporting (and happen to be ok for business in one form or another thankfully!).
After many years in this business, I am still somewhat amazed at the ever increasing number of charlatans, and the amount of smoke n mirrors on all fronts from developers to our clueless Congressional delegation to financiers.
It does wear on one to listen to endless industry propaganda wih ever-present references to low carbon footprint this, or carbon economy that.
Having a background in Chemistry, I certainly don’t recall so many people having such a passionate interest in Organic Chemistry, at least judging by anguished faces (mine included) around me in class!
Rant finished,
C

C in Dixieland
May 6, 2009 5:59 pm

By the way Anthony, fantastic site with very civil commentary from posters. One of my new favs in the etherworld.

May 6, 2009 6:00 pm

Dave Middlenton:I used to think Hansen was just incompetent…Now I’m becoming convinced that he’s actually evil.
I respectfully disagree. He seems, instead, being really sick.

Noelene
May 6, 2009 6:01 pm

I don’t understand why everybody gives China a free pass.If they were really worried about GW,then China would have to be their target.It’s hard to find the truth,but from what I’m reading most of the developed world has lower or stable emissions,whereas China just keeps adding and adding.I’m happy about that,because it means better living standards for their people(China has even stated they will have health care for all)but if I believed in GW,then China and India would be scaring me.When will the day come that they say
” ok we failed.Nothing we do will have an effect,because China and India are doing nothing”

Gilbert
May 6, 2009 6:01 pm

bill (15:34:03) :
“I am reasonably convinced of AGW, but all I require is some well researched proof that it is not happening and I will be swayed. But all any anti AGWs say is for me to prove my point of view – not at all helpful.”
The most telling factor for me is the lack of warming in the upper troposphere over the tropics. Greenhouse theory predicts that the upper troposphere should warm at 2 to 2.5 times the rate at the surface. Over fifty years of balloon data and 30+ years of satellite readings show no such warming. Thus, no warming due to the greenhouse effect or CO2.
For me this is conclusive. Everything else is much ado about nothing.

May 6, 2009 6:47 pm

“It does wear on one to listen to endless industry propaganda wih ever-present references to low carbon footprint this, or carbon economy that.”
Then here’s an idea. Ready? Don’t listen to it! But somehow I have a feeling you’re doing that already…
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“I therefore suggest that there should be a set of links (either in a sidebar or in a tabbed section) to a score of top papers for alarmists to consult that sum up the skeptics’ case.”
No need. Here, I’ll do it for you, as a complete history of the ‘skeptics’ position (sometimes even within a single skeptic!):
1. There is no evidence that the earth is warming.
2. But if there is, then it’s local, not global, and not due to man
3. But if it is global, then it’s still not due to man, but rather to natural variation.
4. But if it’s not natural variation, then it’s the sun, or possibly cosmic rays or increased aerosols. Whatever it is, it’s not human caused.
5. There might be a small CO2 effect but the CO2 is not from human actions.
6. If the CO2 is from human actions, the effect is still small.
7. If the effect is not so small, then there were still times in the past when there was more CO2, and also times when it was a lot hotter, so it’s not a big deal in the scope of earth history.
8. Furthermore, the temperature record (all of it) is untrustworthy (many reasons there) and there is no such thing as a global mean temperature, therefore:
9. See #1
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“Throughout our history the adoption of new technology has always overcome an existing perceived crisis.”
You mean like genocide, war, racism, cancer, HIV, the black death, the global extinction spasm, nuclear waste storage, nuclear weapons proliferation, DDT poisoning, nutrient-induced anoxia, substance abuse, animal abuse, desertification, and tropical deforestation, for starters? Oh but wait, yeah, we solved the too much horse manure in London problem with the car, good point.

Robert Bateman
May 6, 2009 6:58 pm

What did he think would happen when all the AGW Apostles started yelling Fire on a crowded planet?
“We must act quickly” with reckless abandon, stupid loophole legistlation to enable Tax & Spill and frightening atmospheric sprayings to counter the perceived threat. The pols are trigger-happy and quite nervous.
You are telling them imminent disaster is about to strike when you don’t know how the climate even works.
What man does not understand, he shoots at, and asks questions later.
Sound collision warning.

Don M
May 6, 2009 7:00 pm

I wonder why the good dr.’s ire seems to be aimed exclusively at those governments who are retreating to feckless “cap-and-trade”. Does he view as morally superior those countries who are major “carbon polluters”, with no intentions of even pretending to do anything about the impending disaster? Or is it the senseless slaughter of alligators for all those Washington lobbyists’ shoes that has him selectively foaming at the mouth?

Robert Bateman
May 6, 2009 7:02 pm

I’ll make it easy for any AGW or anti-AGW fence sitter:
Give me the photos of before & after ocean level rise.
If we cannot discern anything happening, it’s because the changes predicted are not happening or not significant.
If there is catastrophic melting, we’ll be able to see it.
Everybody will see the oceans rising.
If the oceans start dropping and we see it, we will know something else is happening, will we not?

Don M
May 6, 2009 7:03 pm

I see that Noelene beat me to it.

a jones
May 6, 2009 7:04 pm

It wasn’t so much the manure that was the problem in early 20th century London but the fodder draught animals needed to produce it and so provide muscle power. Roughly a quarter of agricultural production went to providing fodder.
Fodder is the original bio fuel and very expensive too.
But the internal combustion engine fuelled by petroleum derivatives was indeed the answer: by 1905 the motor cab fares in London were only two thirds of those of the the horse cabs.
There is no shortage of fossil fuel the only constraint is the cost of extracting and shipping it to where it is wanted: which determines its price. The scale of these reserves is so vast that even if annual global consumption were to increase by some ten times or so there are enough for a few thousand years more. At a price.
Roughly coal is the most abundant and easy to extract and ship, natural gas is also abundant but more expensive to ship and oil is cheap to ship but is becoming ever more expensive to extract. New technologies may change the balance of the costs of extraction and shipping: for instance gas can be converted into liquid fuel and so on: as demand requires.
And if these resources should run short there is enough uranium for many thousand years more.
No shortage then. It is simply a matter of supply and demand.
No wonder current attempts to stop industrial and technological progress centre on the hobgoblin of fossil fuel in the form of CO2 emissions. But if you imagine Western politicians driven by fashionable green concerns are going to stop this progress to ever wealthier industrial societies around the world chiefly fuelled by coal, gas and oil: forget it.
To paraphrase the lady, you can turn yourselves back into a preindustrial society if you want to: but the rest of the world is not for turning. It has seen the rewards of changing from rural poverty to industrial urbanisation and the change is inexorable and inevitable however much these modern Luddites might lament it.
Sorry I forgot the polar bears but did learn today that a cross between a male grizzly and a female polar is called a prizzly but I am not sure I spelled that right.
Kindest Regards

Mike Bryant
May 6, 2009 7:07 pm

bill (15:34:03) :
“I am reasonably convinced of AGW, but all I require is some well researched proof that it is not happening and I will be swayed. But all any anti AGWs say is for me to prove my point of view – not at all helpful.”
You might try this online primer…
http://www.greenworldtrust.org.uk/Science/Curious.htm
It doesn’t take long to read and it will “catch you up”.

Robert Bateman
May 6, 2009 7:10 pm

Noelene (18:01:33) :
China doesn’t care what other nations think about them.
As for a free pass, it’s more like they paddle their own boat.
“What you worried about?” is about all the rise anyone has gotten out of them lately. AGW included. You want them to curb thier emissions, they say get over here and put the hardware on yourself, at your expense.

Mike Bryant
May 6, 2009 7:19 pm

Jim Bouldin,
Why are you so angry? Do you believe that your rage will convince people who have honest questions? Do you carry that rage with you wherever you go? Will you ever be able to carry on a calm discussion of the questions that many have? You must at some point gather yourself and find out why you act out against others. Thanks for commenting.
Mike Bryant

May 6, 2009 7:42 pm

“You might try this online primer…It doesn’t take long to read…”
Any idea why that might be Mike?

3x2
May 6, 2009 7:45 pm

“Plot” and “lost” are parts of a phrase that comes to mind.
Apart from absolutely no evidence of “tipping points” or positive feedbacks in the climate system outside of computer games what exactly does compute here?
We are to artificially limit energy supplies to only those that can afford it and are, of course, worthy of the privilege. Killing millions of un-worthies
in a typical NW Winter as a by-product. But hey, I suppose that in the well salaried and pensioned world of government backed employment who cares? More to go round for the rest of us right?
Drive us to the world beyond fossil fuels? Drive us into anarchy more likely. I promise you that I will will throw Guardian readers on the fire before I am frozen out of existence.
Of course you could be right and in our “rapid transit clean energy future” those pink Unicorns will gallop on the green fields once more. If millions of people haven’t torn the fields up and burned them to stay alive over the transition.
Really, only an academic could look at the world in this way. Face it your problem is that having let ‘your’ Genie out of the bottle he has flown and found a new home granting wishes to his new masters who are now “making millions trading, speculating, and gaming the system at public expense”. How is big Al by the way?
Well done.